why is every one agianst the ST? Options

[nate95]

Every time i post somthing about my ST people pick me apart about it, people are always saying that the ST is so slow, and they act like theres nothing you can do to make it fast. its not the fastest car in the world but neither is your 3sgte swap celica! i posted earlier in a forum about track times and posted that my ST can run a 16.1 1/4 @86mph and NOBODY believed it. they kept saying that a stock ST couldn't ever run a 16 sec. 1/4,, well mine ISN'T STOCK!! is there anybody out there that believes me,, this is a celica club, you guys should be happy when you hear of someone that has put together a decently fast ST! not pick them apart.

[madmods]

Im not against your st or any celica. Im up for making the celica as fast as you can make it. What
mods did you do?

[nate95]

click on the profile, thats easier than me typing them all. Thanks man!

[Jdog1385]

Every time i post somthing about my ST people pick me apart about it, people are always saying that the ST is so slow, and they act like theres nothing you can do to make it fast. its not the fastest car in the world but neither is your 3sgte swap celica! i posted earlier in a forum about track times and posted that my ST can run a 16.1 1/4 @86mph and NOBODY believed it. they kept saying that a stock ST couldn't ever run a 16 sec. 1/4,, well mine ISN'T STOCK!! is there anybody out there that believes me,, this is a celica club, you guys should be happy when you hear of someone that has put together a decently fast ST! not pick them apart.

I think you're mistaken by a few people giving you negative remarks on your car. This doesnt mean that they speak for the entire 6gc community. Just b/c somebody might have given you a ignorant comment about an ST doesnt mean everybody on this site thinks that.

the person that replied to your comment clearly didnt know you had anything done to your car. you could easily pm him and tell him what you did to your car instead of making this post

[lagos]

who was it that picked on you? i think i remeber some GT owners saying they had a hard time running low 16s in their cars, and thats why they didnt think yours had done it.

This post has been edited by lagos: Mar 26, 2006 - 3:21 AM

[95celgt]

nice car! my STX coupe ran a 16.9 with short ram, 2.5 manifold-back exauhst, and timing advance on my old heavy 18's.

I personally like the St's 7a more than the 5s for racing.

[nate95]

It was more than one person,, and i did tell them it wasn't stock and to read my profile, and every one on that post kept puting me down about it. they ended up deleting anything else i would post on that forum! Im not trying to cause any trouble or anything, i just want to see if anybody believes me or supports me with my celica, cause so far only a few do, and i greatly apprieciate those that do!

[Sh0gunkid8721]

no offense man but why do u care what these people think? If u ran 16 seconds, then u ran 16 seconds and u should be proud. too many people in here care too much what others think of them.

[CelicaZR]

Nice car Nate
I dont know how an ST goes, because we
didnt get the 7afe here, only the 5sfe.
Good on ya for gettin 16s in the 1/4 mile.

[smerk]

hey nice car and i'm happy 2 c some one putting up 16's in the celica....represent. not bad 4 a so called "SNAIL"

[trd94]

i think that is a good track time ,i am a big 7a fan my self ,this summer i want to run the 1/4 mile and see what i get with wy mods ,i should have some dyno results in a couple of weeks ,keep up the good fight, long live the st.....LOL

[Bitter]

with my car weighing nearly the same, i plan on giving the 1/4 a go this summer for the fun of it. i'll be happy to get a 18.5 to a 18.8 with the automatic trans, anything less than that will drop my jaw :lol:

or am i setting the bar too high?

[lilsteeg]

i have not seen any one on this site be directly rude, and make fun of any car because it is an st. i have one and i know that they arent fast, people call them slow because they are, but if you put some cash into it you can have a nice little track car. look at nik he is gonna have a ton of power through his 7agte.

[j0e_p3t]

well if it makes you feel better... good job with the 16 sec 1/4 mile. yeah the st's are pretty slow, but its also about your shifting skills. and you must be pretty good.

[snapshotgt]

well, to answer your header on this thread...

It is b/c st's are slow. period. Even the gt is slow, but the st is slower than the slow gt. Even with performance mods (minimal like you have), the st's/gt's will still be slow.

Nice track time, and sorry for some of the guys here that say stupid stuff.

~snap

[dustin15brown]

I have a ST and dont get bashed for it. St's are very slow, but who cares... I didn't buy it because I thought it was fast. One day it might be a lil speed demon but until then, I dont care. I also agree in the fact that if it's real to you, no one else cares. Don't let ignorance get to you

[nate95]

ya know my ST is slow, im not saying 16sec. is fast i'd be stupid if i thought that

[brianforster]

why not post a time slip and shut everyone up?

[nate95]

about the time slip,, that was a few months ago when i ran it and i didn't see 16 sec. as a big deal so i threw them out. i ran a few times, if i remember right i had a 16.3, 16, 16.1 the 16.3 i had a bad launch

[creamed_corn]

The only reason I'd have a problem believeing it is because you took a mid 17 to mid 18 second car and shaved 1.5-2.5 seconds off it's quarter mile (without forced induction); and to me that's like saying you could take a 5S, keep it N/A, and mod it to break 15 seconds in the quarter.

But I'll give you the benfit of the doubt. Lets see some time slips.

[brianforster]

im inclined to call shens untill a timeslip is posted, its just really hard to believe, sorry man.

but like you said it doesnt matter what we believe, its what you know, so if you post proof to shut us all up, well gladly take our foots out of our mouths, but for now, i just find it real hard to believe.

[Kodak]

I feel you 100%. I posted only this site awhile back and got flamed about the ST being TOO slow. I'm like "Duh, I have to drive one everyday!" It was like members were so into calling my car slow that they didn't even post anything relevant to my topic. However, not everyone on this site are ST bashers though. And its not so that ST owners care what others think, its more about, "Hey I'm on a 6g Celica site and they are not supporting the way they should. They're not saying " Hey Nate. You can do this and this to make your car a honda killer." If I wanted to be reminded of how slow my car was I would go on a honda or mustang site and talk to those guys. Like it was once said, if you don't like the post or have something positive to say then don't post.

This post has been edited by Kodak: Mar 26, 2006 - 2:28 PM

[nate95]

Another thing about my car is when i race it, the gears top out 5-6 mph faster than most ST's, i'v talked to other people with ST"s and their gears are:
2nd gear up to 55mph and 3rd gear up to 80
my gears- 2nd gear up to 60mph and 3rd gear up to 86mph

can any body explain to me why this is?

[hata]

puhahaha. Just be lucky your not a 7th gen. I outcast those...

[lagos]

whats mildly amusing about all this, is that most of the negative comments seem to be coming from other ST owners

[Kodak]

whats mildly amusing about all this, is that most of the negative comments seem to be coming from other ST owners

Where are the negative comments? Surely not on this post. You nor anyone else can deny the fact that Celica ST's are sorely looked upon. The point I want to make is PLEASE stop telling people there car is slow. It could be fast to them. They might even agree that it is slow. But what is mildly amusing is the fact that when some posts a track time(at least that I've seen) people with more experince don't offer advice on how to go faster. Like in dudes case. If you guys think his time is slow or not believe then dismiss the thought of posting that comment and offer advice on how he can achieve or exceed that time.

[lagos]

for the record, id like to just say that i have nothing against STs.

[nate95]

so can any body explain to me why my gears will go up to higher mph than others?

[Kodak]

for the record, id like to just say that i have nothing against STs.

Lagos I know that YOU don't. You actually happen to be one of the 6gc members that I look up to.

[lagos]

so can any body explain to me why my gears will go up to higher mph than others?

the size of your rims and tires can thow the speedo off by a few mph, giving you an incorrect speedo reading.

[nate95]

i dont think thats the case, because when i got my rims and tires put on i had a friend of mine drive beside me and tell me how fast he was going and we were going the same speed. i got the rims and tires to be as close to the stock size as i possibly could. also it was like that before i got rims and tires.

[x_itchy_b_x]

im not gunna lie. i dont like st's..... does that make me evil? jk. but really some people like speed, other like looks i guess. it doesnt bother me at all what anyone wants to do. as long as my car makes me happy than i could care less. so if you like your st awesome. dont worry about others.

[brianforster]

eventually my car will have everything a gt has and more (3sgte) but id still rather have a gt than an st.

every time i look at the back of my car and see the lack of the gt badge a part of me dies on the inside, even with a 3sgte under the hood.

[Kodak]

eventually my car will have everything a gt has and more (3sgte) but id still rather have a gt than an st.

every time i look at the back of my car and see the lack of the gt badge a part of me dies on the inside, even with a 3sgte under the hood.

That's funny!! Go on ebay and buy you a badge. Who will ever know. lol. But, I know how you feel though. I know this is off topic but is a GT that has a 3sgte(stock) faster than a ST that's had a 3sgte(stock) swap?

[brianforster]

i mean, the st will be lighter so it will be faster, but when you have the same motor, the difference is negligible.


not to mention i dont know many ST owners with a 3sgte that will keep the stock rear breaks, which is one of the main differences between the two cars.

the rest is small things like the light around the keyring, rear windshield whiper, fog lights in later years, etc.

[crismillencolin]

I like every celica - well most - so its a ST ! still a luvly Gen 6 just an ickler engine .

[sinner96ST]

This topic is a borderline troll... It does not matter which motor you have, they're both slow and in the same neighborhood in terms of power.

You may as well argue which car is more of a sports car - a Camry, or a Corolla... The answer is : neither. Obviously a 5s is a bit more beefier, however, it would take the same amount of work on either the 5s or the 7a to make it produce competent amounts of HP.

For the GT owners, I wouldn't go around justifying paying a few grand more for a GT badge and like 20-30 more horses / torque. That's pretty much the biggest difference between the ST/GT, besides some dealer options.

[brianforster]

on the contrary, id be willing to say that the power is the least important option of the st vs gt choice.

the gt is just a nicer car overall, each of those "little dealer options" goes a long way when combined to create a more comfortable car.

sitting in an st and sitting in a gt might still be sitting in two celicas, but its definitly not the same to me, and ive sat in both.

[sinner96ST]

on the contrary, id be willing to say that the power is the least important option of the st vs gt choice.

the gt is just a nicer car overall, each of those "little dealer options" goes a long way when combined to create a more comfortable car.

sitting in an st and sitting in a gt might still be sitting in two celicas, but its definitly not the same to me, and ive sat in both.

List the glaring differences between the two, because I fail to really see any. I've sat in both as well, and, it's a clone of my ST with alloy wheels and rear disc brakes. I have power everything, leather interior, and all the extra crap on mine, it makes little difference which model you own.

This post has been edited by sinner96ST: Mar 26, 2006 - 4:47 PM

[Kodak]

on the contrary, id be willing to say that the power is the least important option of the st vs gt choice.

the gt is just a nicer car overall, each of those "little dealer options" goes a long way when combined to create a more comfortable car.

sitting in an st and sitting in a gt might still be sitting in two celicas, but its definitly not the same to me, and ive sat in both.

Hey I was just curious as to how the gt makes for a more comfortable ride. I'm going to change my seats out and redo my whole interior so I can have a luxury sports car.

This post has been edited by Kodak: Mar 26, 2006 - 4:59 PM

[97lestyousay]

I LOVE MY ST!!!
I drove mid 70s early 80s cars, so even
the stock STs 105 hp is good compared to a 75
Chevy Nova with a 5.0 liter producing the same
amount stock.

[brianforster]

on the contrary, id be willing to say that the power is the least important option of the st vs gt choice.

the gt is just a nicer car overall, each of those "little dealer options" goes a long way when combined to create a more comfortable car.

sitting in an st and sitting in a gt might still be sitting in two celicas, but its definitly not the same to me, and ive sat in both.

List the glaring differences between the two, because I fail to really see any. I've sat in both as well, and, it's a clone of my ST with alloy wheels and rear disc brakes. I have power everything, leather interior, and all the extra crap on mine, it makes little difference which model you own.

he was saying the "small dealer options" mean nothing

im saying that most st's dont come with all of that stuff.

and im sorry, i just cannot take a car seriously if it has rear drums, its kind of like a girl with one boob wanting to be a porn star.

I LOVE MY ST!!!
I drove mid 70s early 80s cars, so even
the stock STs 105 hp is good compared to a 75
Chevy Nova with a 5.0 liter producing the same
amount stock.

were not saying the st is a bad car, just that the gt is better in every single way.

[BBoYRuGGeD]

every time i look at the back of my car and see the lack of the gt badge a part of me dies on the inside, even with a 3sgte under the hood.

i feel nothing of this sort...maybe buy a GT badge?

not to mention i dont know many ST owners with a 3sgte that will keep the stock rear breaks, which is one of the main differences between the two cars.

i've still got the rear drum brakes tho im looking for a back disc brake conversion parts

and im sorry, i just cannot take a car seriously if it has rear drums, its kind of like a girl with one boob wanting to be a porn star.

its really not that bad dude...

he was saying the "small dealer options" mean nothing

im saying that most st's dont come with all of that stuff.

my LE did

were not saying the st is a bad car, just that the gt is better in every single way.

i dunno...to me a celica is a celica unless ur talking about the GT4

bboy

[Kodak]

[/quote]

List the glaring differences between the two, because I fail to really see any. I've sat in both as well, and, it's a clone of my ST with alloy wheels and rear disc brakes. I have power everything, leather interior, and all the extra crap on mine, it makes little difference which model you own.
[/quote]

he was saying the "small dealer options" mean nothing

im saying that most st's dont come with all of that stuff.

and im sorry, i just cannot take a car seriously if it has rear drums, its kind of like a girl with one boob wanting to be a porn star.

---------------------------------------------------
Wow!!! lol. Now that's one hell of an anology. lol. So Brain, how could I get that GT experince in my ST? I've never driven a GT so I don't know.

This post has been edited by Kodak: Mar 26, 2006 - 5:19 PM

[dustin15brown]

were not saying the st is a bad car, just that the gt is better in every single way.

i dunno...to me a celica is a celica unless ur talking about the GT4

bboy

I agree with this 100%..... people shouldn't act like a gt is far superior to a st because it simply isn't..... I have everything a gt has except a 5sfe.... and i'm content.... esp when you compare the gt to the four.... how would a gt owner feel after he gets bashed by a four owner

[sinner96ST]

he was saying the "small dealer options" mean nothing

Yes, I did, and so far, you've mentioned a light around the keyring making the GT "better in every way" than the ST?

and im sorry, i just cannot take a car seriously if it has rear drums, its kind of like a girl with one boob wanting to be a porn star.

were not saying the st is a bad car, just that the gt is better in every single way.

And I cant take someone seriously who believes that :

20 horsepower & torque
rear disc brakes in a car with less than 130hp
a light around the keyring
rear windshield wiper
and fog lights in later years

is a huge leap from an ST.

I've been a member of this site since it was created, and was on celica.net, so i've heard a lot. And i've seen this ST vs GT debate talked in to the ground, the bottom line is - it matters not what you get, it's the Celica part that counts.

This post has been edited by sinner96ST: Mar 26, 2006 - 5:29 PM

[brianforster]

its just my opinion ok, i am picky about my cars, did an extra 2 days labor on my car just to have stock power windows and door locks. and my doors are black while my car is red. id rather deal with that untill i can get a paint job than roll my windows down.

things like rear drums, manual windows, etc, make buying a newer car pointless, if i wanted no luxury options, id go classic car restoration, or be a honda boy.

the reason why i love the gt so much is that it looks great, and bone stock has every option youd ever need in a car.

im picky and neurotic about the GT vs the ST, no one is going to agree with me, and im fine with that, im just voicing how i feel

[sinner96ST]

its just my opinion ok, i am picky about my cars, did an extra 2 days labor on my car just to have stock power windows and door locks. and my doors are black while my car is red. id rather deal with that untill i can get a paint job than roll my windows down.

things like rear drums, manual windows, etc, make buying a newer car pointless, if i wanted no luxury options, id go classic car restoration, or be a honda boy.

the reason why i love the gt so much is that it looks great, and bone stock has every option youd ever need in a car.

im picky and neurotic about the GT vs the ST, no one is going to agree with me, and im fine with that, im just voicing how i feel

The best part is, you OWN an ST and you sit here & trash talk stuff about it. So, you're driving around a porn star with one boob. Good game.

[brianforster]

he was saying the "small dealer options" mean nothing

Yes, I did, and so far, you've mentioned a light around the keyring making the GT "better in every way" than the ST?

and im sorry, i just cannot take a car seriously if it has rear drums, its kind of like a girl with one boob wanting to be a porn star.

were not saying the st is a bad car, just that the gt is better in every single way.

And I cant take someone seriously who believes that :

20 horsepower & torque
rear disc brakes in a car with less than 130hp
a light around the keyring
rear windshield wiper
and fog lights in later years

is a huge leap from an ST.

I've been a member of this site since it was created, and was on celica.net, so i've heard a lot. And i've seen this ST vs GT debate talked in to the ground, the bottom line is - it matters not what you get, it's the Celica part that counts. People like you obviously forget that, and decide to make witless comments about something you know little to nothing about. Learn the differences between the two models before you decide to slop text on this forum, it might make you not look so bad in the future.

i know the differences dude, i know that sts have door reflectors in the bottom of the panel rather than open door lights, i know that the st does not have the light around the keyring, i know that the st was offered with manual windows and manual locks, and when you have these, your mirror controls are in the center of the dash next to the cigarette lighter and your door panels are different. there is no ST badge, cars without a passenger side badge on the back are ST or debadged. i know that the front brakes on the st are smaller than the gt (by a small amount but still smaller) i know that the ST's power steering resevoir is on the pump and not on the side of the car, i know that on the st the rear windshield whiper is not standard and i know that the ST stock steelies are 14" while the GT stock steelies (not the alloys) are 15".

oh and after all of that, the 5sfe is still more powerful, and it might not be a substantial amount of horsepower, but if you have driven both you should know that the ass dyno definitly registers the difference.

its just my opinion ok, i am picky about my cars, did an extra 2 days labor on my car just to have stock power windows and door locks. and my doors are black while my car is red. id rather deal with that untill i can get a paint job than roll my windows down.

things like rear drums, manual windows, etc, make buying a newer car pointless, if i wanted no luxury options, id go classic car restoration, or be a honda boy.

the reason why i love the gt so much is that it looks great, and bone stock has every option youd ever need in a car.

im picky and neurotic about the GT vs the ST, no one is going to agree with me, and im fine with that, im just voicing how i feel

The best part is, you OWN an ST and you sit here & trash talk stuff about it. So, you're driving around a porn star with one boob. Good game.

its currently in the middle of a motor swap but thank you for your opinion, i only purchased it cause i was told it was a gt, but i got lied to. (my own dumb fault). and i wont be driving it untill i put my rear brake conversion on

This post has been edited by brianforster: Mar 26, 2006 - 5:32 PM

[sinner96ST]

i've edited my post to seem less... annoyed.

Anyways, you're picking at straws with the differences, but whatever, it's your opinion, do not confuse that with fact and tell people things that arent true.

ST or GT, your still drive basically the same car.

[brianforster]

ST or GT, your still drive basically the same car.

i agree, when i sat down in my ST for the first time, even trashed (front bumper bent, headlights all screwed up, windshield shattered, airbags deployed, seats ripped and stained, armrest cover ripped, a NOS steering wheel cover and a don williams cassette tape in the radio) i still smiled and said "ive got a celica again"

This post has been edited by brianforster: Mar 26, 2006 - 5:36 PM

[Kodak]

Okay. This $hit is not that serious. Maybe Lagos was right. Now it seems that we have ST owners bashing ST owners!!! I think in terms of performance then it doen't matter if you have a GT or ST. Not TOO much. Luxury wise the GT is better but only if you don't have an ST with the extras. Dustin thank you very much for your GT4 comment. I never thought of it that way. Anyhow, lets just be happy we own a 6g because most people don't have the LUXURY to even buy an ST. Get it, luxury. Usually I' m not corny, but it seems to be getting hot on this post if you know what I mean.

This post has been edited by Kodak: Mar 26, 2006 - 5:42 PM

[brianforster]

you are right, they are all celicas, except i think id walk before driving an st coupe automatic

[Kodak]

you are right, they are all celicas, except i think id walk before driving an st coupe automatic

Lol. Yea. I ask had a situation where I had that choice and ..... I walked, biked, and drove other people's cars until I got my manual. Lol.

[Batman722]

OK this is getting dumb guys....

I have a 95 ST and a 95 GT.

all of the "little things" the ST doesn't have that the GT does can be added to the ST easily. The ST was made to be an economical vehicle - less hp, less standard options, getter mileage. The GT is the "sports" model with most of the standard options and hp. My ST and my GT have all of the options available for 1995 BTW.

if you are upset that your ST is slow or doesn't have options or whatever, either buy a GT or upgrade your ST. It is as simple as that.

for the record, I like driving my ST (w/header) better than my GT (stock)...why ? here we go...

the responce from my ST is better than the GT, my ST cloth seats are more comfy than my GT leather, my ST is quieter than my GT. I know my RPM band better in my ST, I know exactly what it can do and what I can do with it. The GT seems to me to rev too high...

when it is all said and done, just relax and drive your car.

edit: both have all options available except A/T

This post has been edited by Batman722: Mar 26, 2006 - 5:57 PM

[Batman722]

guys, some of you are getting dangerously close to bashing other member's cars...

think before you type, do not show a lack of respect to other member's cars, we are all equal on this forum.

[brianforster]

i know things got a little out of hand, like i said, they are all still celis and i got the feeling from both gt and my st, i just have little pet peeves with cars in general.

no hard feelings

i cant resist defending myself

[creamed_corn]

Don't forget only the GT came with the optional sports suspension package. That gave a huge edge to the GT.

[nate95]

I would put my ST up agianst a stock/slightly moded. GT anyday and beat it!

[celicaST]

I LOVE MY ST!!!

me too! i think i have every option available for the st, and the power difference isnt that much. i just wish i had rear discs! . but really, who cares???

anybody ever seen the o'reiley factor? this thread qualifies for the most ridiculous item of the day lol. keep it civil, or lock it.

** oh and to what batman said about leather. i still dont know why people like leather seats . looks better, but thats about it lol.

This post has been edited by celicaST: Mar 26, 2006 - 6:09 PM

[creamed_corn]

I LOVE MY ST!!!

me too! i think i have every option available for the st, and the power difference isnt that much. i just wish i had rear discs! . but really, who cares???

anybody ever seen the o'reiley factor? this thread qualifies for the most ridiculous item of the day lol. keep it civil, or lock it.

I'll probably get flamed to hell and back for this, but generally drum brakes stop harder than disc brakes. The whole point of disc brakes is to effectively distribute fricition more evenly so theoretically, if you were going to ram your car around on a road course, you wouldn't suffer brake fade as quickly. But on cars with as little horsepower as ours, it's really just a silly gimmick.

[BLACKcelicaGT]

did you do other things to your st that you didnt list in your profile bc if not than i find it hard to believe that you would beat a stock gt with a short ram intake which only gives you like 3 horse power or something...someone wrote a post about it

[celicaST]

I would put my ST up agianst a stock/slightly moded. GT anyday and beat it!

whats your point? lets quit this nonsense.

[creamed_corn]

I would put my ST up agianst a stock/slightly moded. GT anyday and beat it!

I'm in Chicago and any time you wanna get together and show me your setup is cool with me. We'll see how well you can handle a GT.

And if anything, having your gears max out at a higher mph would have a detrimental effect. Shorter gears are better for acceleration; hence the whole point of six speed transmissions.

[bloodrain]

DOWN WITH THE ST, GT FOR LIFE, DONT HATE CUZ I CAN HIT A 15.9 in the quater mile while your stuck at 16.1, my GT is WAAAY faster, lol. Anywho, just bein a dumbass, ignore me.

[celicaST]

DOWN WITH THE ST, GT FOR LIFE, DONT HATE CUZ I CAN HIT A 15.9 in the quater mile while your stuck at 16.1, my GT is WAAAY faster, lol. Anywho, just bein a dumbass, ignore me.

, i actually remember reading somewhere that the st is only around .5s slower in the quarter than the gt stock for stock. so its likely to come down to the better driver.

[BLACKcelicaGT]

half a second in the quarter mile is atleast 2 car lengths

[Niskyspy]

I have an ST and its really slow , but I am saving up got GT hehe

[Kodak]

OK this is getting dumb guys....

I have a 95 ST and a 95 GT.

all of the "little things" the ST doesn't have that the GT does can be added to the ST easily. The ST was made to be an economical vehicle - less hp, less standard options, getter mileage. The GT is the "sports" model with most of the standard options and hp. My ST and my GT have all of the options available for 1995 BTW.

if you are upset that your ST is slow or doesn't have options or whatever, either buy a GT or upgrade your ST. It is as simple as that.

for the record, I like driving my ST (w/header) better than my GT (stock)...why ? here we go...

the responce from my ST is better than the GT, my ST cloth seats are more comfy than my GT leather, my ST is quieter than my GT. I know my RPM band better in my ST, I know exactly what it can do and what I can do with it. The GT seems to me to rev too high...

when it is all said and done, just relax and drive your car.

edit: both have all options available except A/T

Okay. If all incoming readers read the WHOLE thread then you would know that things WERE going out of hand but I threw in a corny joke to try to diffuse the whole thing. I love the CELICA period. The whole point of the thread was that ST owners were tired of hearing how slow their cars were. Thats it. Now can we all just get along?

[dustinkemp]

i love my st! everything i have put on the car is for show. i just bought a 4.25" muffler (what for???) cause i can. do i need it (NO!) but i wanted something different for my muffler than the stock one. is it going to be fast (yea right!)lol but i love my st and would never trade it for a gt!

[Jeremiah]

What the hell, I'll throw in my .02 dollars too.

I would like to start by saying... our cars are some of the slowest sport compact cars on the market. For the size, our cars are significantly heavier (I think a honda civic four door is still a couple hundred lbs lighter). Aftermarket parts are more readily available for MANY other cars - and are compairitively rare for ours. Furthermore, there's only one or two engines worth upgrading to, and there's not many aftermarket parts for those either. If you're trying to build a car for racing, there's certainly better chassis to start with.

That said - I love my ST. It's a daily driver with well over 200k miles on it and counting. Our cars were built for comfortable daily driving, with a little added spunk and superior styling. The power curve in the ST was built for the road, not the track - it does what it was built to do VERY well. Because other cars get all their power in the high RPM range, I'm constantly shifting to accelerate or go uphill. Not in my ST. She's right at home humming allong at 2-3000RPM. She's well planted - even in the worst of weather conditions, and she feels light on her feet.

I slide into the cockpit of my little ST and EVRYTHING I need is within arm reach. I don't need to lean over to reach my sterio / heater / AC. The egronomics are SO superior to anything in it's price range. And, my car may be 10+ years old, but the styling is still great... unlike some other cars built 10+ years ago.

Dear ST,
You're not the fastet car on the road, but I still love you.

~J~

[CelicaBuddy]

I see nothin wrong with the ST

In fact I kinda wish I had one... or GT hatchback cuz I wouldnt have a problem at all with exerterior styling cuz pretty much EVERYTHING is made for the hatchback AKA ST mainly...

I really dont get why people bash on the ST also... I mean the GT aint much better... Oooh 5 more hsp big friggen whoop... Oooh more power options in the interior big deal...

But whatever... I never bashed them cuz all Celicas are just Celicas to me...

[trd94]

I would put my ST up agianst a stock/slightly moded. GT anyday and beat it!

i double that

[bigal004321]

take the ST symbol off then. lol

Bigal

[playr158]

wow....this is the biggest non-sense on the boards....
who cares if you have an ST or a GT or a swap its a celica for goodness sakes...

we're all slow relative to other cars and there are other cars slower then us....this arguement is retarded end of story

basically this just sounds like your running in the special olympics....even if someone wins this...your still retarded...


BTW if you want someone to stupid believe you about a 16.1 sec run in an ST with "performance modifications" (sorry plugs and wires don't count) all i see is you have an exhaust...your "performance chip" was some ebay thing from what i can tell...which = some resistor that does nothing but waste fuel...SOOOOO if you want someone to believe you PROVE IT and POST A TIME SLIP...you get one at the end of each run....
i doubt your run...so please post up a time slip cause i'd be interested in it actaully happening since i've been to the track on..light weight 14s, completely STRIPPED interior, full exhaust, cold air intake and short shifter(if you can call this "performance") i ran a 17.3 consistant
soo i'm interested and please post up a slip of proof...

[BLACKcelicaGT]

those cheap ebay chips can ruin your engine i would keep that in mind

[bigal004321]

They make you burn way too rich!..So, basically it is hurting your power not helping it.

Bigal

[playr158]

lets give detail into that chip

a) its just a resistor from radioshack in a nifty little box
b) it inputs more fuel into you cylinders making your a/f run rich

[Jdog1385]

this kind of topic and replies are exactly what coomer did not want on the site

[scandinavian_lin...]

well, i'll add my opinion to this silliness.

i've had 7 celicas. (4 current in bold) an 85 gt-s, an 86 st, an 88 gt-s, an 88 alltrac, a 90 gt, a 90 alltrac, and a 94 st. all 5-speeds.

now, in my opinion they've all been rather slow. the quickest one i've had was the 88 alltrac at 10-11psi. the 85 gt-s was piggish cuz it needed worked on and was too heavy, the 86 was rather slow but fun as heck(mock the 2se if you wish but it has decent torque, and the st was very light), the 88 gt-s was slow i think something's wrong with it to be so extremely slow (or maybe the 3sge is just that in need of torque), the 90 gt was quicker but the weight gain compared to the 4th generation was noticeable and made it less fun to me than my 86 st. the 90 alltrac is mostly stock so pretty slow and the weight is terrible. so now we come to the 94 st.

basically ever since i bought it i thought maybe something was wrong with it because it seemed so slow. but there's not. it's quick enough for regular driving, and you can have fun once you get up to speed and take it through the corners fast with it's nice handling...but in terms of acceleration, i might be able to outrun it on foot j/k. however, the interior is awesome i love it, it's very comfortable, probably more than any of my other celicas, and the gas mileage is great. and i've put 13k miles on it since i bought it and i've only put in new plugs and changed the oil and the air filter....but it isn't very quick. but i bought it for economy and that's what i got. i'm not trying to put it down, and i'm sure there's some potential there...it feels great on twisty roads though, and to me, that is what celicas are about...they've never been about blinding acceleration.

all things considered, if i compare the 90 gt to my 94 st (since the 90 had the 5sfe) i'd say the difference would be small enough that it's absolutely pointless to be bickering about one 6th gen being so much slower than the other...unless you've got a st205, or a 3sgte swap. and even then...a celica is a celica. love em all. except the automatics take it easy...it's a joke.

[bloodrain]

maybe an admin should close the thread?

oh and if you want a fast car, buy a dragster, not a celica.

This post has been edited by bloodrain: Mar 26, 2006 - 10:15 PM

[lagos]

maybe an admin should close the thread?

why? whats wrong with having a debate (as silly or pointless as it may be) ?

[j0e_p3t]

haha, this is all pretty interesting to read. anywho... imo, gt's aren't all that better than st's. so what if i don't have a gt badge or stock skirts or 15 extra hp or rear brake calipers or 1 inch bigger rims. did i miss anything? i changed my rims and debadged my car. so besides the rear brake drum, a gt driver could drive my car and not know the difference. now with that said... our cars are sexy no matter what.

[Batman722]

why? whats wrong with having a debate (as silly or pointless as it may be) ?

what kind of debate are we having ? I see no debates happening in this thread...

[Defgeph]

This is not a debate, its pointless back and forth bickering. I see no proof, no facts, no slips, no videos, nothing.
If you are going to state that you car is "this fast" have some proof before you step to the plate.


You would have saved yourself alot of grief if you posted this way:

Myself as an example.........

Hey guys I just ran a 13.9 today check it out

Video


If you want to start a thread like this again, and do not have proof. I will lock it.
As we can all see without proof the thread becomes 5 pages of nonsense

Thanks,
DEF