Cusco PILLOW BALL UPPER MOUNT SET, updated with Pics Page 1 Options

[celicarus]

i just bought the celica a gift. Just like the title says - its the Cusco PILLOW BALL UPPER MOUNT SET/ FRONT/ CAMBER ADJUSTABLE -- from www.japanparts.com

total came out to be $249.33. - i think it'll be 2-3 wks before i receive it since its coming from Japan.

Can't wait - this should do wonders to the Tein setup that I already have - didn't order the rear ones since i'm on a budget this month-

One step closer to making this car a better ride.

I definitely will have pictures when I install it.









This post has been edited by celicarus: Apr 8, 2006 - 9:47 AM

[CelicaZR]

Nice
Cant wait to hear the reviews.
I'm aiming for the same setup as well.

[LewFX]

is this just to angle the tires outward for racing or what? seems like allot of bread for some adjustable mounts.

[celicarus]

i don't know if its my eyes playing tricks on me or what - but after lowering the car with the teins - the tires/rim has a slight slant to it like this \ --- hope the cusco will help with that

my mounts were messed up anyways so i needed new ones - i think before i had the teins the dropzone coilovers wore out the mounts real bad -

[LewFX]

gotcha, they look really sweet. post many pics with them on

[Valo666]

when u say you have some negative camber..like \ <--- that...is it in the rear?? cuz i have that same problem.

[Kadett]

My Tein SS kit wil come with the pillowball uppermount included.

[tufy]

cusco is perfect. i have same on my car. i should say that thay are a little bit uncomfortable but improves handling.

[playr158]

TIEN does not come with upper pillow mounts on their SS kit....

[Kadett]

TIEN does not come with upper pillow mounts on their SS kit....

They do for the ST202. Sorry had to mention that.

CELICA
(Mcpherson Strut)
ST202 FWD
2000 EDK01-12140
¥39,500
¥41,475(incl TAX) Ft:P/U <-------- Pillowball Uppermount!!!
Rr:R/U GST86-B1SS4
¥133,000
¥139,650(incl TAX) I.D.70
4.0k/300mm I.D.70
3.0k/250mm Ft:NO
Rr:NO Ft:-50mm
Rr:-45mm Ft:-70to-24mm
Rr:-65to-12mm *Upon EDFC installation;
Ft - Need to take precaution when adjusting the camber angle as some interference with the motor might be caused.Bonnet insulator needs to be cut or removed.
Rr - Interior needs to be cut.

[playr158]

lucky

[Kadett]

lucky

Thats called being blessed . You guys are lucky with the gas prices

[celicarus]

when u say you have some negative camber..like \ <--- that...is it in the rear?? cuz i have that same problem.

its more noticeable in the rear than the front -- i will be ordering the rear also some time in april

[sugarfree]

why does someone need these? i thought these are good for people that do drifting because they want that angle in the front. My friend had these on his 240, they creeked real bad when he turned. Couldnt someone just get camber correction bolts to fix the negative camber a drop gave?

[playr158]

the rear is fixed and NON adjustable...

[celicarus]

the rear is fixed and NON adjustable...

so i should just stick with oem mounts for the rear? - though i still need to replace them since its pretty worn -

[celicarus]

received the mounts this morning - i was limited on time and did not have time to take any pictures - cause i knew i would be late for work --

ride quality definitely was better than stock mounts -

to those who plan on getting Teins SS and using cusco mounts - you will not be able to use EDFC - so don't bother buying it -- cause with the cusco mounts - their will not be enough space to squeeze it in - not an issue with hood clearance - just an issue with no more thread showing from the top bolt

another issue is that the cusco mount raises the coilovers about 1 inch - so you will have to lower it again - if i remember correctly their are 16 or 20 grooves on the body of the strut for lowering/higher adjustments - -- before i had 8 grooves going from bottom to top - now i have to lower it a bit more (not sure if that made any sense - but when i come back from my trip to MO next week - i'll remove the wheels n take pictures for everyone to see)

-- another thing i noticed that wasn't there before with stock mounts - is a new noise - now i can hear the strut/coilover gas pressure when going over bumps -- not sure if this is normal or not - but it doesn't bother me since ride quality is better --

-- now i'm gonna head out to get a realignment done --

[LewFX]

might be the settling in stage, if it continues after a week, let us know.

[purplegt4]

i hear it too so dont worry.

[celicarus]

i got the alignment done - and steering wheel centered --

one bad thing about the cusco mounts - is that it doesn't have a bearing device - because without that its compressing the parts or springs part causing a little grinding noise -- when the time allows i will have to contact a bearing manufacturing company to produce something for this problem --

the noise wasn't as bad as the dropzone coilovers i had back then -- cornering feels a bit better --

[playr158]

http://www.evilspeed.com/

for bearings

[celicarus]

pics on page 1

[celicarus]

came back from my trip - driving conditions were ok - except that i should of changed the settings on the Teins - cause the ride was a little stiff -

on the way back - the mounts started to make clunking sounds - in the 3rd and 4th picture the top middle nut came loose - probably due to ride being to stiff and bumpy -- so after tightening it back up - noise went away

-- i will have to call john from evilspeed.com and pickup some bearings for the spring - though it wasn't a problem with oem mounts

[playr158]

defenitly get some bearing grease and lube it up

[95CelicaST]

How long did it take to get them installed? I want!

[celicarus]

1 hr-- first side took about 40 minutes the other side was about 20 minutes ---

[Jaws4God]

what kind of adjustment does that allow? I know i'm at like -3 and -4 on the fronts.. would they adjust that much??

Thanks!

[playr158]

yes, i'm pretty sure they allow for more then that

[Jaws4God]

yes, i'm pretty sure they allow for more then that

where can you buy them? I went to the JapanParts site and didn't see them listed on there..

Thanks!

This post has been edited by Jaws4God: Aug 14, 2006 - 8:15 PM

[jgreening]

yes, i'm pretty sure they allow for more then that

where can you buy them? I went to the JapanParts site and didn't see them listed on there..

Thanks!

Speed Source - click here

[playr158]

yes, i'm pretty sure they allow for more then that

where can you buy them? I went to the JapanParts site and didn't see them listed on there..

Thanks!

just gotta look in the right place daniel son
http://www.japanparts.com/db/partslist.php...&maker=&volkey=

[Jaws4God]

yes, i'm pretty sure they allow for more then that

where can you buy them? I went to the JapanParts site and didn't see them listed on there..

Thanks!

just gotta look in the right place daniel son
http://www.japanparts.com/db/partslist.php...&maker=&volkey=

Cool thank you.. Idk how I didn't find it.. all I kept seeing was the strut bars..

[jdg371]

Hmm suspension mods! Can they be used with uhh GCs and Konis?

[playr158]

yes
they can be used with any 6th gen celica suspension

[Jaws4God]

so what did you all decide with the bearing? does it only matter if you have springs? I am just wondering if I need to get something like that too...

I ordered them so they should be on the way.. just realized that one of my tires is bald on the front now and that scares me... :-(

[Jaws4God]

Looks like mine came in today according to DHL.. we'll see when I get home...

[playr158]

nice, oh and just pick up some bearing grease and grease the top of the spring before you install it (be generous) that will preven the binding!

good luck

[boosted_K2]

did you attempt to get the car realigned after installing the new suspension? chances are the pillowball mounts were not needed to achieve the type of alignment you would want. Usually pillowball mounts are best used for quick onsite adjustments and are not necessarily needed to achive a proper alignment.

[boosted_K2]

the rear is fixed and NON adjustable...

so i should just stick with oem mounts for the rear? - though i still need to replace them since its pretty worn -

just because they are "fixed and NON adjustable" doesnt mean they cant be set, you can use the play in the bolts between the knuckle and damper to "adjust" the camber. my MR2 has the same fixed rear layout and when i reinstalled my driverside rear suspension i maxed the camber out to ~4 degrees negative camber... the other side was set to 1.5. whenever you loosen/remove these bolts you should get the alignment fixed.

[Jaws4God]

yeah, i don't plan to use it for quick adjustment.. I just need to get them aligned since my airbags have it off by like -4 degrees. i just hope these will allow for that much adjustment..

[tangcla]

yes
they can be used with any 6th gen celica suspension

Including SuperStrut?

Anyways I was looking at getting solid pillow ball upper mounts, but I"ve been told that the ride quality suffers (it becomes significantly harsher) and also the clunking noises get to you after a while.

Any comments on these two points?

[Jaws4God]

Well I got the cusco's on last night and had it aligned today.. still -3.5* off on the front.. so I gained 1* from those things.. I wish it was more..

so whats the next way to align these bags??

Anyone with bags have pointers???

[playr158]

yes
they can be used with any 6th gen celica suspension

Including SuperStrut?

Anyways I was looking at getting solid pillow ball upper mounts, but I"ve been told that the ride quality suffers (it becomes significantly harsher) and also the clunking noises get to you after a while.

Any comments on these two points?

yes they can be used with super strut..(after all you are ordering a st205 suspension piece to work with the at200 in jaws4god's case)

[airfron]

w000t!!!!!1 i am so glad i found this thread. thank you 6gc. ordered.

[malpaso]

just adding my unofficial statement it's not topic exactly topic related but someone may miss that information here:

tein coilovers GST86-B1SS4 (with upper mounts) applicable on:
ST202 (JDM SS-II)
ST202 (European GT)
ST202 (European Convertible)
ST204 (US/CND GT-S)


tein coilovers DSL36-KUSS2 (w/o upper mounts) applicable on:
ST202 (JDM SS-I)
ST203 (JDM SS-I)
ST202 (JDM Convertible)
ST203 (JDM Convertible)
AT200 (European ST) - my one
AT200 > (US/CND ST)
ST204 (US/CND GT)
ST204 (US Convertible)

now... I have decided put my money to prove my theory:

''although GST86-B1SS4 kit is for ST202s only it will fit on my AT200 as well because it's just DSL36-KUSS2 kit with upper mounts''

[MaskedMan]

tein coilovers DSL36-KUSS2 (w/o upper mounts) applicable on:
ST202 (JDM SS-I)
ST203 (JDM SS-I)
ST202 (JDM Convertible)
ST203 (JDM Convertible)
AT200 (European ST) - my one
AT200 > (US/CND ST)
ST204 (US/CND GT)
ST204c (US Convertible) <- it's actually ST204c .



So help me understand, what is the difference between the ST204c which makes the GST86-B1SS4 kit non compatible with the ST204c (US convertibles) on the list? The DSL36-KUSS2 set I have on my Celica currently was listed for an AT200 model, which would mean that if the GST86-B1SS4 kit fits your AT200, then theoretically, the GST86-B1SS4 kit would fit on the ST204c models then as well I believe.

[malpaso]

...

So help me understand, what is the difference between the ST204c which makes the GST86-B1SS4 kit non compatible with the ST204c (US convertibles) on the list? The DSL36-KUSS2 set I have on my Celica currently was listed for an AT200 model, which would mean that if the GST86-B1SS4 kit fits your AT200, then theoretically, the GST86-B1SS4 kit would fit on the ST204c models then as well I believe.

according EPC there are two groups of mcperson suspension. Common (or let's say ''basic'') and ''sport package'' one. I do not why they have different part numbers... I have checked what model has what suspension and created list above. That means my AT200 has the same part number for shocks as ST204c. And according to TEIN parts list should be used DSL36-KUSS2 (kit w/o upper mounts). All US ''sport package'' models has the same part number for shocks as JDM 3SGE models... for JDM 3SGE models TEIN recommends using GST86-B1SS4 (kit with upper mounts)... So I have asked some people about celica stock suspension. Everyone I have asked said: "all mcperson shocks for 6gen celis are compatible... you can use both on your car". That's why I have ordered GST86-B1SS4 not DSL36-KUSS2 kit for me to prove it... I'll post everything when I have them home in special topic. End of story for now

[_mikeE]

So from what i've read, these will raise the height of your ride about an inch or so (or could just be the settling in stage..didn't see any confirmation) But would these be okay if i were to install them with KYB shocks w/ tein springs? Can anyone confirm if they keep the risen height?

[Edophus]

The advantage of pillow ball mounts is nothing to do with being able to set camber, thats just an unrelated feature thats added on some pillow ball mounts.

The goodness of them is in the name, the pillow ball! your stock mounts are rubber, and allow the strut to move around under impact, good for comfort, bad for locating the strut and directing the loads to where they should go.

using a bearing keeps the suspension geometry more stable during cornering, allowing your springs/struts to work more effectivly.

if your using coilovers stock rubber mounts essentially become a wobbly joint between the suspension and the car, if you've ever driven a car with worn suspension bushes then you'll get the idea.