crazy idea, H22 Options

[Rayme]

I was thinking about that..crazy idea... how hard could it possibly be to drop a Honda H22 in a 6th gen?

With its lightweight body that thing would be crazy . I think most problems would come with the shifter linkages and finding some kinda way to make the axels fit...

[Supersprynt]

Originality sure but the motor has 200hp w/165lbs of torque and costs more than a 2nd gen 3sgte so I'd opt for the easier, more powerful swap.

[playr158]

I was thinking about that..crazy idea... how hard could it possibly be to drop a Honda H22 in a 6th gen?

With its lightweight body that thing would be crazy . I think most problems would come with the shifter linkages and finding some kinda way to make the axels fit...

no.....a celica look like a civic to you

*end rant*

[Rayme]

I was thinking about that..crazy idea... how hard could it possibly be to drop a Honda H22 in a 6th gen?

With its lightweight body that thing would be crazy . I think most problems would come with the shifter linkages and finding some kinda way to make the axels fit...

no.....a celica look like a civic to you

*end rant*

Lol, when was last time civics came with H22s

[celi_gt_racer]

correction then.... we dont mix honda's and toyota's around here
NO honda motor should ever be swapped in a celica - it is no crappy prelude/JDM accord
thanks very much -

[yungazzdriver]

yeah helllllll no!!!!!!!!!!! there will be no mixing up engines here IMO i think the ae86 with the f20 is gay and the mrs with the k20 is gay soooooooo therefore the 6th gen celica with a h22 is super gay!!!!!!! but honestly if you want to do it i dont want to see it done on these forums go do it in some civic forum because toyotas with toyotas OK HONDA with HONDA OK (even though not my choice) but NEVER EVER mix and match!!!!!!!!!!!! plus who would want to trade the 3sgte for a h22????????? well NOT ME!!!! ...........

[TheStreetzKing]

i wouldnt cause a h22 is about 3 grand.. at least by me, so therefore why not 3s?

[SHERMAN]

why waste money on that when you could just by a cheap CRX about $500 put gut it to about 1500lbs then put the h22 for about $1500 and have low 13 second car

or you could just stick to the celica

[Rayme]

yeah helllllll no!!!!!!!!!!! there will be no mixing up engines here IMO i think the ae86 with the f20 is gay and the mrs with the k20 is gay soooooooo therefore the 6th gen celica with a h22 is super gay!!!!!!! but honestly if you want to do it i dont want to see it done on these forums go do it in some civic forum because toyotas with toyotas OK HONDA with HONDA OK (even though not my choice) but NEVER EVER mix and match!!!!!!!!!!!! plus who would want to trade the 3sgte for a h22????????? well NOT ME!!!! ...........

Wow, how many kids are on these board? I see 3 in this thread!

I wouldn't trade a 3sgte for a h22 either, but I don't have a 3sgte, just a 5s-fe.

I thought I'd get more technical answers than opinions driven rants, what you know? Maybe I already have a h22 laying around(free). Mechanic is mechanic, doesn't matter what's stamped on the peices. I feel some negative views on hondas, why so...I didnt even nearly mentionned a civic to start with!

This post has been edited by Rayme: Apr 6, 2006 - 4:19 PM

[playr158]

your getting flamed....because you want to put a HONDA motor in a TOYOTA.....

#1) the cost of it and the amount of custom work needed isn't worth it when you have far better options...

#2) the wiring is practically incompatable.. and would take waaaaay too many hours to make it worth it....

so you want to spend more money, more time and more effort to get something most anyone in the car community would NOT condone and is SLOWER and weaker then your current optioins

where does that make sense?

[Rayme]

your getting flamed....because you want to put a HONDA motor in a TOYOTA.....

#1) the cost of it and the amount of custom work needed isn't worth it when you have far better options...

#2) the wiring is practically incompatable.. and would take waaaaay too many hours to make it worth it....

so you want to spend more money, more time and more effort to get something most anyone in the car community would NOT condone and is SLOWER and weaker then your current optioins

where does that make sense?

You are wrong, honda guys would just be happy to see a honda engine in a toyota, and In my regional automotive forum(non car specific) I actually got support, real car guys. And whatever you say, any flaming has no reasons to be.

[Chanh55]

Real car guys? What are we? Fake car guys? You even said it yourself... "Crazy Idea" and that's exactly what it is... but I'm a fake car guy so why would it matter...

[Supersprynt]

You can get an H22A for about 2k, not a clip but an engine. The wiring is not incompatible, and you can probably figure out a way to do it but you'd most likely need custom axles and definately custom mounting and a whole bunch of custom work which would drive the price up more and more.

For the price you will end up spending you can put a 3rd gen 3s and have way more fun.

[tomazws]

I don't know anything about tech spec. But hearing a HONDA engine into our fine CELICA. It's just doesn't sound right..

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

You could probably pick up an H23 easier. I wouldn't mind seeing that in a Celica. Those chevy V8 guys like to put them in everything, so why can't some imports mix and match. I've seen a SR20 power RX-7 once. It's fun to mix and match. Lets not lose sight of what is really important here, having fun and going fast. Seriously though, and H23 wouldn't be too bad. You'd have to do custom mounts and all that, but with a clip, I'm sure it wouldn't that hard. Custom axles too. I'm not sure if it's really worth it. The only this I could see is the fact that there is a lot of parts for it, more so than a 3sge. And if you wanted a high hp NA, it would be the way to go.

[jdg371]

The only problem I can see is the cost, time, and lots of fabrication.
If you really want go for it! I had a similar crazy idea.. a EK Hatch with a 3sgte

More and more tuned cars are getting some freakswaps
LS1/LT1 RX7
Domestic V8 in MKII Supra/280Z
F20 Corolla
2JZGTE 240SX
Bla bla bla.. all I know is that their unique and the owner goes with what he wants. Not the crown. Strong form of individuality

[97lestyousay]

When individualists break stuff its hard to get replacement
parts.

[Coomer]

You guys complaining about Honda motors in Toyotas just because they're Honda motors are ridiculous. Quit flaming people because you have a grudge against Hondas

I'd love to have a K20 (or even a H22a or a B-series motor) in my Celica...Toyota doesn't make a N/A motor that's on the same level as the K20a in stock form. Plus I love the way Honda trannies feel...much better than the C-series and S-series transmissions in my opinion. Sure, if you don't want a N/A monster, the 3S-GTE is a good choice, but light, N/A cars are incredibly fun, especially with powerful N/A motors like the K20a.

That said, it'd be a ton of work...the K20a is quite different from the B/H-series motors, so I won't even go into that, but the H22/B-series motors have the engine and transmission on opposite sides of the Celica. For that reason, maybe a swap such as a Nissan SR20VE might be easier if you wanted something N/A and incredibly unique.

[BLACKcelicaGT]

The only problem I can see is the cost, time, and lots of fabrication.
If you really want go for it! I had a similar crazy idea.. a EK Hatch with a 3sgte

More and more tuned cars are getting some freakswaps
LS1/LT1 RX7
Domestic V8 in MKII Supra/280Z
F20 Corolla
2JZGTE 240SX
Bla bla bla.. all I know is that their unique and the owner goes with what he wants. Not the crown. Strong form of individuality

my neighbor has a 383 stroker in hes 88 rx7 that thing is a jet

[Rayme]

Real car guys? What are we? Fake car guys? You even said it yourself... "Crazy Idea" and that's exactly what it is... but I'm a fake car guy so why would it matter...

I treated them of kids. Certainly you seem to approve such behavior.

Lets not lose sight of what is really important here, having fun and going fast.

Riight on the nail bros.

[Shigexile]

do you have links for those f20 in a 86 and k20 in a mrs deals? I'll love to check them out.
I'm not really a hardcore toyota guy or a honda guy or nissan, mazda, etc. I mean i love toyota more than honda but why bash honda? they are amazing just like toyotas. (...honda people do take good pictures thou... )

but yeah, i love both companies, and all other companies. Can i just say, i have respect for all cars. even geo's and crappy korean cars. <---- I still have respect for them

[Chanh55]

Well... It's not that far fetched I guess. I remember seeing a post of a Honda civic or something with a 3sgte dropped in it.

[Hanyo]

why is everyone so angry? a h22 in a celica would be a great idea. If you want to Stay N/A and dont want to swap to a beams. The h22 would be the perfect engine.

You would need custom motor mounts; Which is not hard because honda parts are everywhere. You would been custom axels. Wiring for the engine is less complex then the 3sgte or the beams. You can easily find a h22 wire diagram. You would need to use a honda gauge cluster.

[Smlogg]

Anything is possible with money. The celica isnt really a "light" body car. Its lightish, but its nothing special. I can forsee a lot of problems with this idea if you plan to run it over a long period of mileage. Its a lot of custom fabbed parts that won't be optimized or specialized for a purpose: fabbed parts for this kinda thing are usually just made to "make it work" not for durability and longevity.

Of course, more importantly would it even fit in the celica without causing cramping? You might run into heat problems, not to mention having to custom make a downpipe as well.

In fact the more I think of it the more problems keep coming to mind that would just cause excessive wear to other components in the car. You'd also be stranded and on your own completely if something broke down, no mechanic anywhere would touch that without huge sums of money for custom work. The whole thing would be a pain in the ass.

And as has already been said, 3sgte is more power for less and an easier swap. Its superior on all levels. If you want to use the honda engine though, why not use a honda car?

Oh and of course, it would be highly illegal and probably eventually impounded and crushed if you used it for anything other than sanctioned racing courses and auto shows for any period of time. Then byebye tons of money invested in a car that wouldnt retain the value anyways.

[anubis0108]

i like the way you put it smlogg, you flamed him but in a more intelligent way. I dont agree with putting a honda motor in a celica either i dont want to be mean aobut it and honestly dont see nothing wrong with honda its just i know just like me everyone on this forum has a lot of pride and their celicas and toyota and really dont care to hear about trying to put antoher companies engine in ours. but ya i like the way you put it its a cool way of saying its a stupid idea

[Rayme]

well theres a difference between constructive critisim and flaming, flaming is always easier, that being said, anubis your comment wasn't needed at all.

I've owned celica for 4 year and loved toyotas for more, I'm just not all square minded about being 100% toyota or anything, I'm pride of owning my celica for all the reason you can think of, but one reason isn't "because it's not a honda".

Frankly I don't understand the way people reacted to my idea, kinda like shocked, its not like crossing brands is anything new, toyota makes the vibe, and yamaha co-developped the 3sge/3sgte head and toyota sold the cavalier under its name, doesnt make it a bad thing. You should be more open minded than wrapped in your safe toyota bubble.

That being said, yes I agree its probably more trouble than what its worth for, but its not a reason to get all bully bully about it.

[/end] this is going nowhere...


This post has been edited by Rayme: Apr 7, 2006 - 7:21 PM

[97lestyousay]

I see nothing wrong with intermixing breeds.
I had a 54 ford F100 with an Olds 455.
My second favorite behind my Celi.
Mad props if you get it done. I wanted
a 7AGZE but with all the cost I would rather
do a 3S swap. There is no such thing as a
crazy idea, if you want it swap it.

Honda haters.... chill.

[jdg371]

I see nothing wrong with intermixing breeds.
I had a 54 ford F100 with an Olds 455.
My second favorite behind my Celi.
Mad props if you get it done. I wanted
a 7AGZE but with all the cost I would rather
do a 3S swap. There is no such thing as a
crazy idea, if you want it swap it.

Honda haters.... chill.

Totally Agree...I want a 7AGZE too but my brother keeps on telling me it would be hella money and not cost efficient
Maybe a 7AGZE in a AE92 Sedan

[anubis0108]

well theres a difference between constructive critisim and flaming, flaming is always easier, that being said, anubis your comment wasn't needed at all.

I've owned celica for 4 year and loved toyotas for more, I'm just not all square minded about being 100% toyota or anything, I'm pride of owning my celica for all the reason you can think of, but one reason isn't "because it's not a honda".

Frankly I don't understand the way people reacted to my idea, kinda like shocked, its not like crossing brands is anything new, toyota makes the vibe, and yamaha co-developped the 3sge/3sgte head and toyota sold the cavalier under its name, doesnt make it a bad thing. You should be more open minded than wrapped in your safe toyota bubble.

That being said, yes I agree its probably more trouble than what its worth for, but its not a reason to get all bully bully about it.

[/end] this is going nowhere...

...square minded? so people who love thier cars is being square minded. look man no one hates honda, but being realistic a honda motor sawp in a toyota just isnt a good idea unless you want to waste money. The people here flammed you ere cause if you know anyhting about the celica is that you could get a whole lot more for your money by swapping a 3s (more power and def cheaper to swap). Unless you are trying to prove something by putting a honda motor in a celica why would you waste the money. but ne wayz man you presented the idea to everyone here and forgive us for flamming you or being mean but you asked everyone what they thought and they told you. I dont want to sound mean or nuttin but its a waste of green man. but all in all its your car and your money, you are free to do what ever you want with it. (no hard feelings man we're all cool here at this forum)

[K-ESD]

holy **** ppl chill out !

keep it simple

is the H22 swap in a 6th worth it?
-no

why?

Anything is possible with money. The celica isnt really a "light" body car. Its lightish, but its nothing special. I can forsee a lot of problems with this idea if you plan to run it over a long period of mileage. Its a lot of custom fabbed parts that won't be optimized or specialized for a purpose: fabbed parts for this kinda thing are usually just made to "make it work" not for durability and longevity.

Of course, more importantly would it even fit in the celica without causing cramping? You might run into heat problems, not to mention having to custom make a downpipe as well.

In fact the more I think of it the more problems keep coming to mind that would just cause excessive wear to other components in the car. You'd also be stranded and on your own completely if something broke down, no mechanic anywhere would touch that without huge sums of money for custom work. The whole thing would be a pain in the ass.

+ other constructive arguments

end of discussion

[Rayme]

alright, lets end this on a funny note

[anubis0108]

hey man no hard feelins seriously. we all have our differences right?

[macavely]

Crazy Idea .. Not as crazy as you might think... can an h22 drop into a celi .. (lude FWD / Celi FWD) yes...

the way i would start this off would be to basiacly strip down the front end of the celi ... take your h22 an its transaxle with mounts and messure everything twice... an then 10 times after that before an tapping an weldding is done... I would go with 100 percent custome axles... honda inners/toyota outers... after the engine transmission mounts are set and ready to bolt on to the frame ... an custom axles are produced.. more on to exhuause ... which should be that had to do with the right mufflure shop... an don't forget you might need a custome underbody cross memeber .. as for the transmission linkage ... make your own .. not that out of the world to do ... drop me a not if you want to know how ...

electrical ... i would goe with a full stand alone unit to handle the engine/tranny .... figuering out what sensor sends what signal to what shouldn't be that hard if you have common sense an can read... this is where you can have fun with the ignition system .. play around with timing .. your air fuel mix... have fun .. see what works for you and feels right ...

i have always like the H22 motor... response great to mods an would be a great N/A motor to drop into the celi ...

now on a side note let me through another crazy idea your way .. an rsx type-s with exstream rear end damage ... but it for a few grand .. an you have a whole front clip with a K20 you can drop into a celi .. . ;-)

[Jeremy1210]

Yeah man do what you want. I think it'll be a fun project. Not as easy as the 3s swap which is becoming more common place. I mean it will be a one of a kind and it does have excellent N/a potential.

DOn't listen to all the jack@$$es on this site bashing you for original thinking. It was their thinking that kept the world flat, no overnight shipping, no aircraft, and most important, unsliced bread.

So Kudos to you and your ideas. If it works it works, and like you said swapping b/w makes of cars has been done for a long time and will continue to happen.

Ps. I honestly can't believe that this thread became a soap box for people to just bash Rayme. I mean come on, this is exactly why people leave this site and never come back. I honestly hope that most of you do the right thing and apologize for your VERY RUDE comments. VERY UNCOOL people

This post has been edited by Jeremy1210: Apr 12, 2006 - 7:53 AM

[Digndoug]

You guys complaining about Honda motors in Toyotas just because they're Honda motors are ridiculous. Quit flaming people because you have a grudge against Hondas

I'd love to have a K20 (or even a H22a or a B-series motor) in my Celica...Toyota doesn't make a N/A motor that's on the same level as the K20a in stock form. Plus I love the way Honda trannies feel...much better than the C-series and S-series transmissions in my opinion. Sure, if you don't want a N/A monster, the 3S-GTE is a good choice, but light, N/A cars are incredibly fun, especially with powerful N/A motors like the K20a.

That said, it'd be a ton of work...the K20a is quite different from the B/H-series motors, so I won't even go into that, but the H22/B-series motors have the engine and transmission on opposite sides of the Celica. For that reason, maybe a swap such as a Nissan SR20VE might be easier if you wanted something N/A and incredibly unique.

What about the 3S-GE red-top? woudl be a much easier swap compared to a h22

[celi_gt_racer]

i think everyone can agree that most car lovers (expecially in imports) - like to see honda motors in honda cars, and toyota motors in toyota cars. The swap would ultimately be impractical (for all reasons stated above), but a good alternative is a red/or black top beams motor. Crossing brands is not really ethical in the import tuning world, at least imho, and tons of custom work would be needed to do nething like that anyway. So why not just look at a 20v 4a-ge, 5s-gte, 5s-gze, 3s-gte, 3s-ge beams (black or red)... all respectable motors, and all toyota = all easier to swap in than a random honda motor . Ultimately it would just be impractical, and you would never get any respect from any devoted tuner (honda fan, or toyota fan). I'd actually love to see this thread locked down by admins, just the thought is so "out-in-left-field"

[blu94gt]

whoever said to put an H23 in, well, bad idea. For the money you would do that swap for you wouldn't gain much, the H23 only has 160hp and after having my Prelude SI with the H23 I wasn't that impressed with it.

As for swapping an H22 in, that would be pretty cool. While I don't think I woudl do it myself, I would love to see it done and the custom work that it would take to make it possible. I hope you're a good machinist/welder or have a big wallet.

And on the money issue, I've never really understood why some people on here drop so much money in their cars with swaps and all. I would just prefer to buy a different car lol