True Life: Im a ricer..., *sigh* Options

[bloodrain]

Well, after riding around with an unpainted car (all in primer) and just ordering a set of underbody blue neons and 20 LEDS it finally has set in, my car is slow, unpainted with neons, im a ricer... I cant help it tho, I like neons ^_^

[dustinkemp]

lol thats sounds very similar to me! but oh well, i really dont care cause i love my car and hopefully when it gets done everyone will like it also.

what color are you doing yours?

[ZacMan1987]

Welcome to the fold . It's O.K. I have a total of 6 tubes + shift knob in my car. I really need a short shifter now, just to get it back down to normal height though.

[bloodrain]

lol thats sounds very similar to me! but oh well, i really dont care cause i love my car and hopefully when it gets done everyone will like it also.

what color are you doing yours?

im doing all my lights in blue, blue is my favorite color :-p And I already have a blue wheel well kit and a blue radio, so I guess im going to ATTEMPT to change my climate control lights.

[ZacMan1987]

Mine are blue as well. Love them. Watch out for cops though. They frown on that color pretty heavily .

[dustinkemp]

gotta love the neons tho, but im glad i have the 7-color led (ricer version LOL) where all the colors change as i want them too ha ha

[x_itchy_b_x]

neon free is the way to be jk jk, wait no really. wait. no.

[bigal004321]

True ricers dont intend to make their cars look better though. I am sure you have plans for paint in the near future....

Bigal

[bloodrain]

True ricers dont intend to make their cars look better though. I am sure you have plans for paint in the near future....

Bigal

ya, i just need a paint job and it will look dead sexy. Got the c-one knock off front, invader sides, rear extensions in the back, doggy lifter blocks for the spoiler, CF hood (zyclone) and gas tank lid. It just needs a paint job that I keep putting off (dont wanna spend $1200 :-()

[ILuvMyCelica95]

neon free is the way to be jk jk, wait no really. wait. no.

nooooo neons!

Ahem: You might be a ricer if...
http://www.goingfaster.com/spo/you_might_be_a_ricer_if.html

This post has been edited by ILuvMyCelica95: May 5, 2006 - 11:56 AM

[blu94gt]

you along with 99% of the people on this site are ricers, add some freakin performance for goodness sakes

[bloodrain]

you along with 99% of the people on this site are ricers, add some freakin performance for goodness sakes

i would, except I dont have money for a swap or the knowledge. And im not going risk losing my daily driver when I live 20 miles away from my work and have no other car. And we all know the only "perforance" parts we can do is a swap or turbo it, which cost a nice chunk of money.

[lagos]

ill admit it, on my car.... i have neon washer leds....THAT DONT EVEN WORK!

[blu94gt]

you along with 99% of the people on this site are ricers, add some freakin performance for goodness sakes

i would, except I dont have money for a swap or the knowledge. And im not going risk losing my daily driver when I live 20 miles away from my work and have no other car. And we all know the only "perforance" parts we can do is a swap or turbo it, which cost a nice chunk of money.

but if you think about it, how much was your kit? and how much will paint be? etc etc

you can swap a 3sge for a lot less than a quality body kit and paint job

[dstrbcelica]

Ahem: You might be a ricer if...
http://www.goingfaster.com/spo/you_might_be_a_ricer_if.html

nice tina.

-dstrb

[bloodrain]

you along with 99% of the people on this site are ricers, add some freakin performance for goodness sakes

i would, except I dont have money for a swap or the knowledge. And im not going risk losing my daily driver when I live 20 miles away from my work and have no other car. And we all know the only "perforance" parts we can do is a swap or turbo it, which cost a nice chunk of money.

but if you think about it, how much was your kit? and how much will paint be? etc etc

you can swap a 3sge for a lot less than a quality body kit and paint job

well, over the course of 2 years it all cost about $2000. I make a decent paycheck and could probably afford the swap, but I just dont like my car enough to try and make it fast.

[CelicaBuddy]

well at least you didnt drive around with a body kit that was primored dark grey and the rest of the car was white

hahah i drove around like that for a month before we just white primored the kit white to match the rest of my car... hahahah

[zachattack15]

When I bought my kit I made sure I had enough money for paint and everything. I couldnt let my car look stupid by riding around with an unpainted kit. She didnt deserve it.

[axelrduvirage]

neon free is the way to be jk jk, wait no really. wait. no.

nooooo neons!

Ahem: You might be a ricer if...
http://www.goingfaster.com/spo/you_might_be_a_ricer_if.html

i have totally sworn off noens and underbody lighting altogether. i learned my lesson today .at my age stock rox.

www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=10&t=36881&hl=&view=findpost&p=430409


This post has been edited by axelrduvirage: May 5, 2006 - 2:10 PM

[ZacMan1987]

Still love my streetglows

[DeW_H0e_GT]

ahhaahaha nice link there...i think im guilty of 80% of those comments...

[ILuvMyCelica95]

i love this thread- i googled ricer











k im done hyjacking now.

This post has been edited by ILuvMyCelica95: May 5, 2006 - 3:15 PM

[devilsden97]

LOL!

[bloodrain]

i love this thread- i googled ricer


k im done hyjacking now.

ahahahhaha, but why is the car a "Ford Escort" and then it turns into a "toyota"?

[dustin15brown]

you along with 99% of the people on this site are ricers, add some freakin performance for goodness sakes

ummm excuse me????? sweet dude.....

ill admit it, on my car.... i have neon washer leds....THAT DONT EVEN WORK!

You have a 3s to back it up

[K-ESD]

i like rice
mmm mmmm rice w/ soya sauce

[TomPoz]

I think rice is a phase that one has to go through. With my GT I have gone ricey and only thing for performance was K&N replacement filter. Somehow, not long ago, anyway good and relatively powerful 3SGE became not enough and I made a decision to move to 3SGTE. Already I have plans for body-kit, rims, paint, interior, audio, but main stream for GT4 will definitely be "reasonable" power-up.

[sinner96ST]

rice is a phase nobody ever has to go through.

i'm convinced that people ride around with big wings, unpainted body kits, or horrible paint jobs / whatever because *nobody* has the balls to tell them it looks bad.

i've even seen some 6th gens on this site that I would probably take a crowbar to in real life, just to save the car the humiliation of having to drive around like that.

less is more, and some people forget that. there isnt any point in dumping $5000 in to a paint job / body kit if your car still has a 5s/7a in it. i'd rather have my car look slow and be slow, than look fast and be slow.

This post has been edited by sinner96ST: May 5, 2006 - 7:07 PM

[amysmojo]

neon free is the way to be jk jk, wait no really. wait. no.

nooooo neons!

Yessssss neons! hehe...

[BBoYRuGGeD]

dude u wunna see some rice? aright hold up...

bboy

[devilsden97]

ill be printing out thses tickets and slaping them on cars alll over the place. I thinkit will be fun.

[BBoYRuGGeD]

here we go...










12valve power!

yap that was my pride and joy...YaaAahHh baby! who the king of rice now!? lol

edit: i think it was like 80hp...60 to the wheels (?) i dunno but it was slow

bboy

This post has been edited by BBoYRuGGeD: May 5, 2006 - 7:43 PM

[devilsden97]

everyone had a car like that at one point in time....except me lol celica is the only one, and its not riced...(well not alot)

[K-ESD]

dude u wunna see some rice? aright hold up...

bboy

thats nothing (altho so very "ricey") , check this !

[CelicaZR]

I've gone past this stage.
I was a ricer before, but
now I try to modified my
car tastefully

[bloodrain]

less is more, and some people forget that. there isnt any point in dumping $5000 in to a paint job / body kit if your car still has a 5s/7a in it.

but what is the point in having a fast car? You just dumped $4000 into a swap, and can pass most things on the road, but once they turn off on the next block, does it really matter if you won or not? To me body kits make more sense, ya speed is fun, but having a nice looking car will get you more attention.

[devilsden97]

less is more, and some people forget that. there isnt any point in dumping $5000 in to a paint job / body kit if your car still has a 5s/7a in it.

but what is the point in having a fast car? You just dumped $4000 into a swap, and can pass most things on the road, but once they turn off on the next block, does it really matter if you won or not? To me body kits make more sense, ya speed is fun, but having a nice looking car will get you more attention.

but smoking the **** out of the tires at the local quickie mart will get u attention too

[Valo666]

dude u wunna see some rice? aright hold up...

bboy

thats nothing (altho so very "ricey") , check this !

DAMMMMMMMNNN BOYEEEEEE!!!...lmao...looks like half the coustomers i deal with daily's cars. Best ricer move ever...i had a guy come in with an MX-3, bought underglows, 10 LED Eurolight tubes, another like 10 streetglow mini led packs, LED tire flys, a 5" monster tach, a 4.5" exhaust tip, and a BOV to hook up to his N/A car because he thought it would work. I told him it wouldnt, but hey...not my fault the guy was a moron.

[K-ESD]

....and a BOV to hook up to his N/A car because he thought it would work. I told him it wouldnt, but hey...not my fault the guy was a moron.

[bloodrain]

i jsut drive with the windows down and when i drive past someone i go "PSSHSH"

[snapshotgt]

Not everyone here likes ricer cars. I really hate to see such good looking cars like our celica's made to look like crap, in fact any car for that matter. But i guess it is all personal opinion.

Tina -- awesome last post!

~snap

This post has been edited by snapshotgt: May 5, 2006 - 10:43 PM

[sinner96ST]

less is more, and some people forget that. there isnt any point in dumping $5000 in to a paint job / body kit if your car still has a 5s/7a in it.

but what is the point in having a fast car? You just dumped $4000 into a swap, and can pass most things on the road, but once they turn off on the next block, does it really matter if you won or not? To me body kits make more sense, ya speed is fun, but having a nice looking car will get you more attention.

What's the sense in making something look fast if it can't even pull a 16 second quarter mile?

Speed & looks are one in the same, they both garner attention. I think people with 6th gens should realize that the cars biggest shortcoming isn't how it looks, it's how fast it doesn't go. That's why i think people should focus on engine / performance first, and exterior last, in my opinion.

I could sleep good at night knowing my car was completely stock on the outside, but had a 3sgte power plant under the hood. I've seen enough 6th gens with body kits, but seeing one or owning a 6th gen with a good motor in it is somewhat of a rarity.

This post has been edited by sinner96ST: May 5, 2006 - 11:02 PM

[ZacMan1987]

Maybe a car is an expression of personal creativity. Maybe people should be able to make their car look good if they want, or make it fast, and for those with the $$$$, they can do both. What is wrong with a car that looks good but isn't fast? Has "looking good" become synonymous with "being fast?" Since when? I guess we have the F&F to blame for that.

Quite frankly, I don't care if your car is fast. If it is and you're cool with that, great. I like fast cars. But I also like good looking ones. So maybe it looks good. Cool. Oh it's fast too? Great.

Frankly, I'm an irresponsible 18 year old, and if I had a 3SGTE, Id've been dead a long time ago, so I'll keep my neons, both inside and out.
Later

[j0e_p3t]

i don't consider my car to be rice. and at least the rest of us aren't as bad as them civic guys.

[sinner96ST]

Maybe a car is an expression of personal creativity. Maybe people should be able to make their car look good if they want, or make it fast, and for those with the $$$$, they can do both. What is wrong with a car that looks good but isn't fast? Has "looking good" become synonymous with "being fast?" Since when? I guess we have the F&F to blame for that.

Quite frankly, I don't care if your car is fast. If it is and you're cool with that, great. I like fast cars. But I also like good looking ones. So maybe it looks good. Cool. Oh it's fast too? Great.

Frankly, I'm an irresponsible 18 year old, and if I had a 3SGTE, Id've been dead a long time ago, so I'll keep my neons, both inside and out.
Later

The stuff used on imports to make it look 'good' also are used for other purposes, mostly performance related.

A good example is a Carbon fiber hood - it isn't primarily for looks, it's for weight reduction to make the car faster in the 1/4 or on the street. Do you get what i'm saying? Looking good kinda is synoymous with going fast, because they're mostly performance or aftermarket parts that people use. That's the point of what i'm getting at. Racing seats, pillar gauges, air ducts, lowering springs, exhausts, intakes, they do serve a greater purpose besides looks, they're for speed.

[gt_driFFter]

Ok, I'm sick of people trying to tell everyone what they need in THEIR car.


Why is it so hard for people to understand that not everyone cares about having a fast car? Some people just want their car too look good! Get that through you're head, rather than telling everyone they should've spent money on performance. Do you think that everyone has the same opinions as you? Many people just want a nice looking daily driver, that still gets great gas mileage, and has stock toyota reliability. Or like me, I decided that I wasn't going to throw any money into performance on the celica, but rather pick up an mr2 for a fun weekend/good weather car, and keep the celica as a nice looking DD. Will I put any money in the engine? No. Will I buy some exterior stuff? Most likely. It's not your car/money/priorities so just friggin DEAL WITH IT.

/rant

[dustinkemp]

QUOTE(bloodrain @ May 5, 2006 - 7:38 PM) *

QUOTE(sinner96ST @ May 5, 2006 - 8:05 PM) *

less is more, and some people forget that. there isnt any point in dumping $5000 in to a paint job / body kit if your car still has a 5s/7a in it.


but what is the point in having a fast car? You just dumped $4000 into a swap, and can pass most things on the road, but once they turn off on the next block, does it really matter if you won or not? To me body kits make more sense, ya speed is fun, but having a nice looking car will get you more attention.


What's the sense in making something look fast if it can't even pull a 16 second quarter mile?

Speed & looks are one in the same, they both garner attention. I think people with 6th gens should realize that the cars biggest shortcoming isn't how it looks, it's how fast it doesn't go. That's why i think people should focus on engine / performance first, and exterior last, in my opinion.

I could sleep good at night knowing my car was completely stock on the outside, but had a 3sgte power plant under the hood. I've seen enough 6th gens with body kits, but seeing one or owning a 6th gen with a good motor in it is somewhat of a rarity.

all im saying is that i have a ricer car, do i care what everyone says, NO! but i could dump 3-4 thousand into a swap and have a nice car,but there will be someone that will have a faster car and make fun of my car for being slow, so i put all the money into making it look good cause you dont see a modified 6 gen, or ne car for that matter, thats look half way decent, but there the ones with 17,000 hp at the wheels and can smoke my car, who cares about that, let them smoke me and then ill watch the cop give them a ticket!

just my .02 cents

[bloodrain]

im thinkin about sellin the celi and buyin the 07' LE STI, sexy looks, with speed to match, no mods needed.

[K-ESD]

im thinkin about sellin the celi and buyin the 07' LE STI, sexy looks, with speed to match, no mods needed.

[SlowCelica94]

you along with 99% of the people on this site are ricers, add some freakin performance for goodness sakes

hahahha
I love this guy. Amen brother.

[Valo666]

....and a BOV to hook up to his N/A car because he thought it would work. I told him it wouldnt, but hey...not my fault the guy was a moron.

if you think thats funny, he was gonna rig up a CO2 can from a paintball gun onto a momentary switch attatched to his gas pedal so the CO2 would take a shot into the BOV to give it the sound.

i jsut drive with the windows down and when i drive past someone i go "PSSHSH"

^ lol...my friend james does that with a mega phone in his moms cirrus. He drives around at all the street races and rolls down his window slightly. all you hear from his car is "WAHHHH!!!!! PSHHHSS! WAHHHHHH PSHHSSS!!"..lol He does it at work all the time and half the coustomers just kinda look at him funny.


Best part about this guy..he tryed to race me with his autobox mx3..i downshifted and spanked him like a naughty girl..lol Then he tryed to race me and my buddy in my friends R32 skyline....yeaaaaaa..that was fun. It was like like...some one running trying to race some one on a GSX-R...doesnt really work. But after he ran us, we stopped at a light, he rolls down his window and goes "I LOVE THAT SOUND OF THE BOV!!! IM GETTING IT IN MY CAR!!!!"...lol..didnt even relize it was me sittin passanger side.

[JoKeRkId613]

^ lol...my friend james does that with a mega phone in his moms cirrus. He drives around at all the street races and rolls down his window slightly. all you hear from his car is "WAHHHH!!!!! PSHHHSS! WAHHHHHH PSHHSSS!!"..lol He does it at work all the time and half the coustomers just kinda look at him funny.

lol. i guess you can only get away with that in canada. i can imagine someone doing that at the races in miami... they'd chase him all the way home and kick his ass.

This post has been edited by JoKeRkId613: May 7, 2006 - 6:24 PM

[bloodrain]

^ lol...my friend james does that with a mega phone in his moms cirrus. He drives around at all the street races and rolls down his window slightly. all you hear from his car is "WAHHHH!!!!! PSHHHSS! WAHHHHHH PSHHSSS!!"..lol He does it at work all the time and half the coustomers just kinda look at him funny.

lol. i guess you can only get away with that in canada. i can imagine someone doing that at the races in miami... they'd chase him all the way home and kick his ass.

lololol ya they would. I was just jokin about makin the sound, didnt know ppl were stupid enough to actually do it.

[DeW_H0e_GT]

a while ago..theres this bov simulator that connects to the tach.....whenever u reach that certain RPM tehy make this "swoosh" sound jus like a bov...

[blu94gt]

Maybe a car is an expression of personal creativity. Maybe people should be able to make their car look good if they want, or make it fast, and for those with the $$$$, they can do both. What is wrong with a car that looks good but isn't fast? Has "looking good" become synonymous with "being fast?" Since when? I guess we have the F&F to blame for that.

Quite frankly, I don't care if your car is fast. If it is and you're cool with that, great. I like fast cars. But I also like good looking ones. So maybe it looks good. Cool. Oh it's fast too? Great.

Frankly, I'm an irresponsible 18 year old, and if I had a 3SGTE, Id've been dead a long time ago, so I'll keep my neons, both inside and out.
Later

the problem is most body kits DON'T look good, not just on Celicas but for any car. Most are so cheap and gaudy looking that they dissolve the good looks of the car.

And like it was said before, most body modifications are made to copy a real performance body modification like the carbon fiber parts, wings, etc, so why make the car look like a LeMans racer if it's barely fast enough to get on the highway with all the fake body crap on it?

[Mynzeyes]

Ok, I'm sick of people trying to tell everyone what they need in THEIR car.


Why is it so hard for people to understand that not everyone cares about having a fast car? Some people just want their car too look good! Get that through you're head, rather than telling everyone they should've spent money on performance. Do you think that everyone has the same opinions as you? Many people just want a nice looking daily driver, that still gets great gas mileage, and has stock toyota reliability. Or like me, I decided that I wasn't going to throw any money into performance on the celica, but rather pick up an mr2 for a fun weekend/good weather car, and keep the celica as a nice looking DD. Will I put any money in the engine? No. Will I buy some exterior stuff? Most likely. It's not your car/money/priorities so just friggin DEAL WITH IT.

/rant

everyone on this site needs to read this ^, and stfu.

some people just don't think the celica is worth the money it takes to make it quasi-fast, because it also destroys the reliability and gas milage of the car, which is what IT WAS DESIGNED FOR. if you don't believe me, look at ALL the people who have done 3sgte swaps, or any swaps. then look at the down-time during the swaps, then look at the downtime after the swaps were "done", then look at the nickling and diming thta happens after the swap. it's ridiculous. it's not rare that you see a 3sgte in a celica theese days, because everyone and their mom has a 3sgte clip these days. it's rare to see a 3sgte in a celica THAT'S RUNNING. don't bring up, "bla bla bla but in japan the gt-four bla bla" because that's not in the US, where 99% of this site is from. The American 6th gen celica was designed for economic reasonability, while still having the looks and feel of a sports car. No modification is more valuable than another, because everything is RELATIVE. If someone wants to not compromise the reliability of their car for a motor swap, because of funds or whatever reason, that's their decision. if they want to put a huge spoiler on their car, that's the most valuable modification to them, because it's their car. the fact is, 99% of all import enthusiasts are "ricers". why? because every single one of them wants attention. the end.

hell, i know i am. i cut my springs this past weekend. why? because i wanted the car lower, but the celica isn't worth spending money on to get lowering springs or coilovers. that's my decision, it's my car, and if you don't like it, that's your problem. i know i have no trouble sleeping at night because of it.

[OOBE]

neon free is the way to be jk jk, wait no really. wait. no.

Ok, I'm sick of people trying to tell everyone what they need in THEIR car.


Why is it so hard for people to understand that not everyone cares about having a fast car? Some people just want their car too look good! Get that through you're head, rather than telling everyone they should've spent money on performance. Do you think that everyone has the same opinions as you? Many people just want a nice looking daily driver, that still gets great gas mileage, and has stock toyota reliability. Or like me, I decided that I wasn't going to throw any money into performance on the celica, but rather pick up an mr2 for a fun weekend/good weather car, and keep the celica as a nice looking DD. Will I put any money in the engine? No. Will I buy some exterior stuff? Most likely. It's not your car/money/priorities so just friggin DEAL WITH IT.

/rant

everyone on this site needs to read this ^, and stfu.

some people just don't think the celica is worth the money it takes to make it quasi-fast, because it also destroys the reliability and gas milage of the car, which is what IT WAS DESIGNED FOR. if you don't believe me, look at ALL the people who have done 3sgte swaps, or any swaps. then look at the down-time during the swaps, then look at the downtime after the swaps were "done", then look at the nickling and diming thta happens after the swap. it's ridiculous. it's not rare that you see a 3sgte in a celica theese days, because everyone and their mom has a 3sgte clip these days. it's rare to see a 3sgte in a celica THAT'S RUNNING. don't bring up, "bla bla bla but in japan the gt-four bla bla" because that's not in the US, where 99% of this site is from. The American 6th gen celica was designed for economic reasonability, while still having the looks and feel of a sports car. No modification is more valuable than another, because everything is RELATIVE. If someone wants to not compromise the reliability of their car for a motor swap, because of funds or whatever reason, that's their decision. if they want to put a huge spoiler on their car, that's the most valuable modification to them, because it's their car. the fact is, 99% of all import enthusiasts are "ricers". why? because every single one of them wants attention. the end.

hell, i know i am. i cut my springs this past weekend. why? because i wanted the car lower, but the celica isn't worth spending money on to get lowering springs or coilovers. that's my decision, it's my car, and if you don't like it, that's your problem. i know i have no trouble sleeping at night because of it.

Good stuff, man. I totally concur!

[Mynzeyes]

Good stuff, man. I totally concur!

i still <3 you to death OOBE. .

[Charlie97L]

OOBE's still alive!!! He RULEZ, you should all listen to him.

[jgreening]

it's rare to see a 3sgte in a celica THAT'S RUNNING.

I agree with everything you said except the above sentence. There are a number of us that have running swaps and, although getting the bugs out takes time and money, most are fairly reliable once sorted.

[bloodrain]

any time you put an engine in a car that it didnt come with, your always going to see problems :-p

[Mynzeyes]

it's rare to see a 3sgte in a celica THAT'S RUNNING.

I agree with everything you said except the above sentence. There are a number of us that have running swaps and, although getting the bugs out takes time and money, most are fairly reliable once sorted.

it's a ratio. compared to people that have celicas w/ 3sgtes, the ones that are running PERFECTLY, with no bugs what-so-ever, like a stock car, are rare. most have things like speedo's not working, or vacuum problems, or bla bla bla. things that do not warrant a "running car". i should have specified that i meant a car that ran as if it were stock, with no problems, other than required maintenance, such as an oil change.

[Supersprynt]

but what is the point in having a fast car? You just dumped $4000 into a swap, and can pass most things on the road, but once they turn off on the next block, does it really matter if you won or not? To me body kits make more sense, ya speed is fun, but having a nice looking car will get you more attention.

You get your jollies from people looking I get my jollies from driving my car. Maybe power is pointless to you but its not to me. I've spent money on making my car perfect for me, not people looking.

And once you pass those people who you desire to look does it really matter if they looked or not? Same argument can be posed with both looks & power.

it's rare to see a 3sgte in a celica THAT'S RUNNING.

I agree with everything you said except the above sentence. There are a number of us that have running swaps and, although getting the bugs out takes time and money, most are fairly reliable once sorted.

it's a ratio. compared to people that have celicas w/ 3sgtes, the ones that are running PERFECTLY, with no bugs what-so-ever, like a stock car, are rare. most have things like speedo's not working, or vacuum problems, or bla bla bla. things that do not warrant a "running car". i should have specified that i meant a car that ran as if it were stock, with no problems, other than required maintenance, such as an oil change.

You dont get perfection when you build something like this. Its something you need to deal with before you decide to do a swap.

[bloodrain]

but what is the point in having a fast car? You just dumped $4000 into a swap, and can pass most things on the road, but once they turn off on the next block, does it really matter if you won or not? To me body kits make more sense, ya speed is fun, but having a nice looking car will get you more attention.

You get your jollies from people looking I get my jollies from driving my car. Maybe power is pointless to you but its not to me. I've spent money on making my car perfect for me, not people looking.

And once you pass those people who you desire to look does it really matter if they looked or not? Same argument can be posed with both looks & power.

I couldnt agree more, thats why the next car im getting should have some power and looks, probably the STi, im not gonna mod it, except for guages, i love guages, who knows..

[Mynzeyes]

You dont get perfection when you build something like this. Its something you need to deal with before you decide to do a swap.

which is the point i was making, as to why people sometimes just go for looks. so, thank you, for helping prove my point. .

[lagos]

it's rare to see a 3sgte in a celica THAT'S RUNNING.

I agree with everything you said except the above sentence. There are a number of us that have running swaps and, although getting the bugs out takes time and money, most are fairly reliable once sorted.

it's a ratio. compared to people that have celicas w/ 3sgtes, the ones that are running PERFECTLY, with no bugs what-so-ever, like a stock car, are rare. most have things like speedo's not working, or vacuum problems, or bla bla bla. things that do not warrant a "running car". i should have specified that i meant a car that ran as if it were stock, with no problems, other than required maintenance, such as an oil change.

as somone who has a perfectly good running swap, and as somone who has helped a lot of other swapers fix their cars, i can tell you my honest opinion.

if you want a car where you never pop the hood open, and sometimes let the oil changed go too long. then a 3s swap is not for you. it really has nothing to do with the fact that its swaped or a 3sgte. this rule would apply to any High powered motor. turbo or NA. if you buy an evo, sti , fordV8, supra, etc.... you have to pop the hood once in a while, check your oil, make sure you IC piping didnt blow off, replace the clutch when it cant hold your power level any more, or in the extreme case, replace the motor when you pushed it too far with your mods.


the problems you see people having with their swaps. all come from the fact that for 99% of people, this is their 1st time EVER installing a motor or working on a car. speedo problem, is an OLD issue from wiring harness work that was done by this guy Mike, a long time ago. these harneses get resold and the new owner has to fix a few wiring that they last guy didnt know how to. vac probllems, are an issue for people who didnt buy a clip and coulnt lable how everything goes. then they have to go back and fix everything..


ive owned my swap for 2yrs now. there was defitenly some work i had to do after i got it running to make things run perfectly.... but looking back, the only problems i had were for things i did wrong.
i had my car "brake down" on me 2 times. once when my IC piping blew off because i used cheap clamps. and once when my axel fell out because i striped the bolts on the bracket that holds it. other then that, it alwasy takes me where i need to go, and has been my daily driver ever since.

This post has been edited by lagos: May 9, 2006 - 11:42 AM

[Supersprynt]

You dont get perfection when you build something like this. Its something you need to deal with before you decide to do a swap.

which is the point i was making, as to why people sometimes just go for looks. so, thank you, for helping prove my point. .

I dont get it? Where was this point made?

[Mynzeyes]

You dont get perfection when you build something like this. Its something you need to deal with before you decide to do a swap.

which is the point i was making, as to why people sometimes just go for looks. so, thank you, for helping prove my point. .

I dont get it? Where was this point made?

in the above statements, and again here:

...some people just don't think the celica is worth the money it takes to make it quasi-fast, because it also destroys the reliability and gas milage of the car, which is what IT WAS DESIGNED FOR. if you don't believe me, look at ALL the people who have done 3sgte swaps, or any swaps. then look at the down-time during the swaps, then look at the downtime after the swaps were "done", then look at the nickling and diming thta happens after the swap...

that you don't get perfection with it, and that's why some people don't think it's worth it. despite what you think, you agreed to a point. deal with it. thank you, drive through please.

This post has been edited by Mynzeyes: May 9, 2006 - 1:18 PM

[Supersprynt]

I agreed that you dont get perfection, and if thats why some people dont do it thats their perogative. However, the swap isnt for everyone. I have the means to have a second car and the Celica is my hobby. I care not what the car was designed for, because I have changed the car and I have designed my own for me. I dont nickel and dime anything, and fast is subjective. Everything can be fast or slow depending on what you compare it to. Compared to a stock GT, my cars a rocket ship. Compared to a Z06, I'm the tortoise and he's the hare.

If your point is: people dont do swaps becaue of loss of mpg, reliability and high maintenance. Then I of course agree with you. All of that needs to be taken in to account. But those who have done swaps are not complaining about mpg, reliability or high maintenance because it comes with the territory.

Are you out of Midol John?

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 9, 2006 - 3:44 PM

[Mynzeyes]

If I agreed to a point, ok then that means I agree with a point.

Are you out of Midol John?

nah, you just seemed like you didn't want to actually agree with what i said, and tried to disprove me. so, i pointed it out.

just bc you get called on trying to call someone out, doesn't mean that they have to be PMSing. it just means you were wrong. it's ok to be wrong sometimes. everyone is.

[bloodrain]

simmer down children, this thread is about ricer, not is it worth it to do a swap, lol.

[Mynzeyes]

simmer down children, this thread is about ricer, not is it worth it to do a swap, lol.

It morphed to that, by people calling people that do exterior first "ricers". wheeeeee. debates are FUN.

[95CelicaST]

Everyone can go back and forth all day about what is the better; Engine or Exterior, but the whole point that everyone seems to be missing is that saying, "To each his own". Everyone's car is their own canvas, let them paint it how they want. If you disagree, then keep it to yourself and show some respect to those who share the same passion as yourself.