New Street Racing Bill In Ontario Options

[elvasoshexai]

http://www.frank-klees.on.ca/CurrentIssues/StreetRacing.htm

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...id=968332188492

172.1 (1) If a police officer has reason to believe that a person is driving, or has driven, a motor vehicle on a highway in a race, the officer may,

(a) request that the person surrender his or her driver’s licence;

(b) order the motor vehicle that was being driven by the person to be impounded; or

(c ) both request the surrender of the driver’s licence as provided in clause (a) and order the motor vehicle to be impounded as provided in clause (b).

[..]

No appeal or review
(9) There is no appeal or review from a licence suspension or impound order under this section.

nitrous is gonna be illegal too

wonder what they will consider 'enough reason' to impound a car/take someone's license



This post has been edited by elvasoshexai: Jun 10, 2006 - 10:09 PM

[devilsden97]

probally u flying by them at an excessive rate of speed

[Coomer]

No right to appeal? That shouldn't be legal.

[Supersprynt]

I was thinking the same thing. How can all that happen with the officer just thinking he saw something or saying. Thats not due process.

[devilsden97]

stupid facists

[elvasoshexai]

lately there's also been quite a lot of news about car accidents where police "believe street racing was the cause"

but that's what i was thinking too.. no appeal/review just seems so wrong... every other offense has a right to a court hearing...

[ZacMan1987]

>>But the devil is in the details, say advocates. Catching speeders is one thing, but police have found that proving they were racing is much more difficult. They hope this new law will lessen the burden of proof, says Brian Patterson, president of the Ontario Safety League.

Lessen the burden of proof. That is a disturbing statement. Back when I had my Celi (all of 2 weeks ago), I used to run at night with my blue neons on and I would get challenged by people all the time. I have NEVER participated in a street race, but had a cop been sitting in the right place at the right time, what would he thought of me and some stupid rice boy going cruising past him at 40? I probably would have lost my DL and my car for "street racing." This is a crappy way to go about fixing a much larger problem of stupid, irresponsible people with too much money and not enough common sense.

This post has been edited by ZacMan1987: Jun 11, 2006 - 3:25 PM

[JoKeRkId613]

^turn off your neons! lol. jk, in florida, blue neons are illegal because they're used by emergency vehicles(police, ambulance, etc.). so if its illegal in ur area too, i wouldve busted u for street racing too.

[Glitch001]

here in cali, street glow, nitrous, exhaust, intake all illegal. exhaust doesnt meet sound level limits, intake and intercoolers (according to chp) modifiy smog, and street glow is a "distraction to other drivers" which I think is a joke, I dont have street glow, but id rather some civic running street glow than the blonde in the jetta with the cell phone grafted to her face doing her makeup in her rearview mirror.

if two vehciles are accelerating at the same rate of speed untill one break the speed limit, both cars are street racing. Thats how they define it here in cali at least. Ive been thrown in handcuffs before driving home at 1am, he asked me to pop my hood. I walked to the back of the car (in my mr2) and he called me a smartass so i popped the front and he asked where my engine was. Got in my face, we had 2 squad cars and 1 local PD bike and a towing truck [not a flatbed, good luck trying to get my car on that]. trying to see if anything was illegal. Sometimes you just end up in a bad situation, but its the price we pay to modify cars.

Btw, if they have to tow your car any damage your vehcile sustains during the legal process of correcting your mistake is on your head. AND you pay for towing charges and impounding fees.

Oh there IS a loophole...The Bill also bans the connection of after-market nitrous oxide fuel systems on all public streets and highways and provides for fines of up to $2000 and jail terms of up to 6 months for convictions. ...the "connection" you can have a nitrous tank just not connected. If you reallly want to run nitrous, hide the bottle, paint it black, and have a tool so you can remove all the lines quickly if need be.




Sounds pretty dumb to me, oh well not really much we can do.

This post has been edited by Glitch001: Jun 11, 2006 - 4:29 PM

[bigal004321]

skipping due process is a total hypocrisy of democracy itself.

Bigal

This post has been edited by bigal004321: Jun 11, 2006 - 5:21 PM

[lil_lissa]

whatever, maybe it will make those stupid retards stop racing
a 7 year old girl is orphaned now because her parents were hit by a street racer
another 40 something yr old man is dead because of racing his porsche with his cousins benz

if it was my parents (or any of your parents) who were killed in those accidents, i'm sure you'd be singing a different song

i dont street race... i dont drive at excessive speeds... i'm damn glad this came out because i don't want to be the next one killed by street racers thank you very much!

[jwells]

whatever, maybe it will make those stupid retards stop racing
a 7 year old girl is orphaned now because her parents were hit by a street racer
another 40 something yr old man is dead because of racing his porsche with his cousins benz

if it was my parents (or any of your parents) who were killed in those accidents, i'm sure you'd be singing a different song

i dont street race... i dont drive at excessive speeds... i'm damn glad this came out because i don't want to be the next one killed by street racers thank you very much!

But the fact that it removes due process is rediculous. I thought Canada was 'superior' to the US in terms of civil liberties and social well being. Removing the right to appeal takes away any credibility Canada has for being a 'more free' place to live.

[elvasoshexai]

luckily this is still just a bill so it's not in effect yet... people said even if there isn't a formal appeals process you can still get the case into court...

i don't condone street racing either (i don't race myself) but i just think this needs to be refined... a LOT before it actually becomes law...

and like didn't a few hundred people die last year from gun violence in toronto while about 10-20 died in car accidents related to racing? shouldn't they be trying to stop gun violence instead

This post has been edited by elvasoshexai: Jun 11, 2006 - 6:42 PM

[Glitch001]

Everyone always uses the SOME LITTLE KID IS ORPHANED NOW, people die everyday and those responsible should be held accountable. Nonetheless blaming EVERYONE with mods, is redicilous.In this day and age whatever happened to innocent until prove guitly, giving a single human being the power to be judge and jury is abuse of power.

I for one wont give my freedoms up, If asked to pop my trunk I always refuse. (its always empty anyway) but to give in to someones demands for no valid reason is not being a problem, its USING the rights given to use. If you dont use them, you deserve to loose them.

I hope they really do go through this with a fine tooth comb, you should write the nearest government authority and voice your consern. An online poll or a collection of names will help your cause.

[lil_lissa]

it isn't against all people with mods
that was last summer for any of you that actually live here

i hope it passes and if anyone is street racing, kills someone, and gets a good lawyer, they should be allowed to get off in court.. hmmm i dont think so, i hope they rot in hell to be honest.

whether you're speeding or racing, either one deserves to be punished, so i say do it up!

[GMan]

> lil_lissa
> '97 GT Convertible
> From Cambridge, ON, Canada
> that was last summer for any of you that actually live here

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...id=968332188492
I dunno, The story seems Current to me. May 26, 2006. 05:06 AM

> it isn't against all people with mods

No ?

It targets anyone With 'mods' ?
Well super charger blowers...Turbos are OK ?

"These cars are souped up today to Indy-car performance using super charger blowers and nitrous oxide and they are just way too dangerous for our streets," said Bryant. "It is a problem for urban street, suburban streets and rural roads as well."

Bryant said under the civil forfeiture law the Crown only has to prove that a car is being used for illegal purposes in order to seize and destroy it.

"The burden of proof is different than that for a criminal offence because we are not attempting necessarily to target a crime, we are merely attempting to seize an instrument of unlawful activity," he said. "These souped-up cars by nature are unlawful."

By Nature modded cars are unlawful ? :-(

> whether you're speeding or racing, either one deserves to be punished, so i say do it up!

So if you are speeding you want your car to be impounded and destroyed ?

This is not a good precedence for any law. ;-(
There have been laws about speeding leading to seizures in the US, and they have all been over turned luckily.

Again no means to apeal ? Are they are trying to stop racing or raise funds ?

>> Jun 11, 2006 - 10:47 PM
>> whatever, maybe it will make those stupid retards stop racing

Enforcement will never stop them from racing. Hopefully education and legal outlets
may dissuade kids from street racing.

>> a 7 year old girl is orphaned now because her parents were hit by a street racer
>> another 40 something yr old man is dead because of racing his porsche with his cousins benz

Wrongful death suits May be in order. ?

Regards;
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Somteime 6gc lurker.

[Valo666]

I work at a performance shop now and 2nights ago, one of our coustomers who has a 500hp Vette was racing 3 other vettes up a highway and hit a devider at 200+km/h. Hez in cricical condition and most likely wont make it. Becuase of these new laws and this accident, plus another accident about 2 weeks ago with some guy who was runnin his civic up younge street doin 176km/h that hit another car killing 2 ppl, they are making strickt new laws about street racing. Last night they proposed a bill to punish street racers, they approved it and even set up a demonstration of what the new bill intitles by noon today. Pretty much now, you get caught street racing, your car gets crushed. They had 2 old souped up civics that were impounded by the cops from about 2 and a half years ago that they crushed live on tv to show how serious they are. But yea, the ontario gouvernment is becoming really strickt on street racing and their laws.

Link to the video from the crash with my coustomer
Vette Crash news report + video
theres a clip with a guy in a black t-shirt and jeans walking through the shot, thats one of the guys who works at our store in the north end of the city. Stupid moron...

Video of the new Street Racing Laws/Punishment
Story + Laws
Video
Click the video on the top of the page

Personaly, I think these laws should be put in place mainly because i dont want to see any one else i know get into an accident. We even had the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corperation) *biggest news company in all of Canada* come down this afternoon and talk to the owner of my work about the parts we sell aswell as the whole contraversy regarding Nitrous Oxide in our laws. Ill post a link to that video when i can find it

[jwells]

Harsher street racing laws? Yes. I'm for it.

Removal of due process? Absolutely not.

[ScoobyDooCruiser]

I think street racing should be stopped. It does kill people and that is bad.

However, the wording on the law sounds way too loose to not be abused.

And what about other things that kill people? Lets try old people driving. My mom got hit by an old guy going 45 (she was stopped behind a garbage truck.) He couldn't figure out why he had stopped, so he floored it again and hit her going 25. Why does he still have a license?

What about people who kill by talking on cell phones?

What about frikkin second hand smoke? That kills 60,000 people a year (or so the Deparment of health says)

What about drunk drivers?

What about homeless people dying from cold?

So long as the people who don't vote (young people) are affected by a law it will be strict. You know why old people are not cracked down on? Cause they vote, and are active, and will raise a stink if some lawmaker trys to keep there 25mph-in-a-45-zone butts off the street.

Vote. Complain to the politicians. Work to end street racing, and work to end goverment taking over your life with laws that can be applied to anyone who has aftermarket parts on there car.

my 2¢.

[ZacMan1987]

^ That is true ^

You know how many states have tried to change the laws concerning older drivers and how they should be treated differently due to their impaired abilities?

It can't be done because they get out and defeat it.

[confucious]

No right to appeal? That shouldn't be legal.

Unfortunately you fail to realize its called the UNITED STATES Constitution for a reason, it does NOT apply to Canada.

[jwells]

No right to appeal? That shouldn't be legal.

Unfortunately you fail to realize its called the UNITED STATES Constitution for a reason, it does NOT apply to Canada.

Yet Canada claims to be superior to the U.S. as far as civil liberties.

[hitcachi]

haha, I've been going up to the local street races for years now. In fact, i just got back home tonight from them. You know what, they are some really good times. You meet new people, see some nice cars, bull sh*t around and just have a good time. In all the years I've been going we've never had any sort of problem with any one getting hurt or cars crashing. This is probably because *gasp* we arent retarted! But......thats had to come by in this world today.

[Valo666]

No right to appeal? That shouldn't be legal.

Unfortunately you fail to realize its called the UNITED STATES Constitution for a reason, it does NOT apply to Canada.

Yet Canada claims to be superior to the U.S. as far as civil liberties.

....we are..lol Just because there is 1 law that they are passing due to numerous accidents related to the same cause doesnt mean we are less. The reason they are saying that you have no right to appeal is so that people who are racing dont say "oh, i had to change lanes and move over quickly, but this guy beside me was being a dick and not letting me in." They are doing it so that no dumba$$es who are street racing can get away with it. Yea its strict, but i mean..in the last 2 or 3 months we have had 68 deaths due to accidents related to racing or highspeed driving. I mean im all for modifying your car and all, but i mean, if your stupid enough to street race, your car should be crushed.

[elvasoshexai]

68 deaths in last 2-3months??? you mean in all of canada? because the 2nd article in the 1st post says:

Street racers who put innocent lives at risk should lose their cars, lose their licence for life and spend time in jail, say police and others battling a deadly street racing culture that has claimed 31 lives in Greater Toronto since 1999.

i really just think they are doing this because modified cars are easy to target and the general public find cars with loud exhausts annoying and associate them with street racing

[saleeka]

I strongly dislike the way that the people who are backing this bill characterize modified cars' owners as unlawful people with the soul purpose to go out and street race... The kid with the B16 civic isn't at any more of a disposition to brake traffic laws than the 45 year guy who bought a corvette during a mid-life crisis (or the housewife who's kids are fighting in the backseat and shes running behind scedule to get home)... Worse yet, this is the type of bill that nobody wants to challege because, as already stated, you get characterized as insensitive and "all for street racing"... This situation is very similar along the lines of the patriot act- suspected of terrorisim, you don't get due prosses in the legal system. Both are against the core issues of democracy in that you don't get to defend your actions and therefore are at the mercy of the higher power- and this is why I feel that this bill is inappropriate, regardless of it's good intentions. So what happens to the kid who has just rims on his 96 accord and passes a car at 61 in a 55 and gets a prick of an officer who knows the above proposed law? Before you say "well I dont street race so I dont need to worry", how do you figure? What happens to the kid who IS street racing- In his dad's maxima? All it takes is a cop who knows how to manipulate the law in his favor, and your screwed and you dont get a fair say because "you were street racing" ....

[eggman40]

Man that bill if freakin' rediculous! Im a firm believer that anyone who is caught speeding or racing should be punished, its breaking the law. But going after people with modified cars without any reason is stupid. They should hold more sanctioned events if they want to help the problem, because people will race anyway. And towing your car for mods is also rediculous. if registration, smog and insurance are legit, than why should they hassel you for a front mount? Its also hipocritical, Ive met a cop with a 400hp Turbo charged 350z another with a hopped up mustang, nitrous ready? WTF? This kinda crap pisses me off, you should only be pulled over if your breaking the law. sorry guys had to get that off my chest.

This post has been edited by eggman40: Jun 20, 2006 - 2:58 AM