My plan, boost me up scotty! Options

[frosty]

Alright, I have spent many a months and countless nights thinking about what I want to do with my celicas power and have come to a conclusion. I would like to go the route of the 5s-gte hybrid but don't have all the funds needed to go this route now. I really want to go boost and after reading and studying many of the 5s-Fte build-up and the mr2's builds, I decided I will walk this path. One thing that also makes it nice is that if in the future if I want to go the 5s-gte way then I will already have a multitude of the parts on hand for that project. I also have support from my wife as well. The only draw back is that our hvac brokedown and we're having to buy a new one. I do have a bunch of music equipment and other items around the house to sell wich will allow us to be able to pay the hvac off in a few months and begin the fTe build.

Lookout guys! A new 5s-fte is cooming your way this year!

[skowis3]

when you say 5s-gte hybrid, do you mean keep the 5sfe engine, and turbo it w/ the exhaust mani and other necessary parts from the 3sgte? if so, then that is a good route to take.

[95celgt]

no, he means 5s block with a ge head

[frosty]

no, he means 5s block with a ge head

Yeah, the 5s-FtE is the 5s-fe block tubocharged using the 3s-gte's exhaust manifold and a few other parts if need be but is still using the fe head.

[lagos]

im confused.

at first you said you plan to build a 5sGTE and then you said you want to build a 5sFTE. so what one is it?

a 5sGTE is some serious money and major overkill for our cars, btw.

[playr158]

im confused.

at first you said you plan to build a 5sGTE and then you said you want to build a 5sFTE. so what one is it?

a 5sGTE is some serious money and major overkill for our cars, btw.

he's starting out with a 5sfte and then swapping the heads when funds increase is wat i got from it since all the fte parts transfer to the gte....

but i doubt 5sgte is over kill....its just like a 3sgte i really fail to see your reasoning in this piece...if a 5sgte is overkill then so must a 3sgte....

and i'm pretty sure there is already 1 5sgte nearly complete there was a full thread on it

[lagos]

a 5sgte is a lot of money.
a totally custom project thats not for the faint of heart.
best suited for somone with deep pockets and VERY high HP goals
NEEDS a stand alone ecu
would be pretty silly to do without also upgrading the turbo to something massive.
the motor has to be fully rebuild and upgraded ($$$$$$) . you dont just slap on another head.
etc....


the reason why its overkill, is that, unless you are shotting for some crazy power, you can meet all of your goals with a 5sfTE or 3sgte swap.

[playr158]

a 5sgte is a lot of money.
a totally custom project thats not for the faint of heart.
best suited for somone with deep pockets and VERY high HP goals
NEEDS a stand alone ecu
would be pretty silly to do without also upgrading the turbo to something massive.
the motor has to be fully rebuild and upgraded ($$$$$$) . you dont just slap on another head.
etc....


the reason why its overkill, is that, unless you are shotting for some crazy power, you can meet all of your goals with a 5sfTE or 3sgte swap.

you could do just fine with a ct26 there is no requirement to upgrade the turbo...he can even run a ct27 perfectly fine...there is nothing wrong with going for 200-250whp with a 5sgte setup as compaired to a 5sfte/3sgte its just one more option...

the more people that try the more information there is the more success the community has

[frosty]

a 5sgte is a lot of money.
a totally custom project thats not for the faint of heart.
best suited for somone with deep pockets and VERY high HP goals
NEEDS a stand alone ecu
would be pretty silly to do without also upgrading the turbo to something massive.
the motor has to be fully rebuild and upgraded ($$$$$$) . you dont just slap on another head.
etc....


the reason why its overkill, is that, unless you are shotting for some crazy power, you can meet all of your goals with a 5sfTE or 3sgte swap.

whooooooo, calm down now

I'm going with the 5s-fte build. If you read my first post word for word you would have gotten that already. You would also have read that I said I don't have the funds for the head swap version. I know it cost losts of $$$. DUH! I've been doing my research and believe me, I KNOW you don't just slap on the ge head. There has to be internal work done to the block, cr changes, adjustments here and there, and yes, a stand-alone ecu, all which cost $$$.

This is why I chose to go with the 5s-fte, it closer to my price range, there are few things to mess with, and it will suffice my hp needs for now.

In the future, I plan on swaping for the ge head and with that there will be some really high hp goals since I plan on using the car not as a daily driver. (either that, or buy another celica to do the 5s-gte build and keep the 5s-fte as a daily driver)

I understand what is what on this matter. I've got many a months of research under my belt and plan on getting more. I'm also seeking a second job to help pay for my expensive hobby. So please, read the full post before commenting and see that I'm not some punk in over my head.

-thanks

[lagos]

a 5sgte is a lot of money.
a totally custom project thats not for the faint of heart.
best suited for somone with deep pockets and VERY high HP goals
NEEDS a stand alone ecu
would be pretty silly to do without also upgrading the turbo to something massive.
the motor has to be fully rebuild and upgraded ($$$$$$) . you dont just slap on another head.
etc....


the reason why its overkill, is that, unless you are shotting for some crazy power, you can meet all of your goals with a 5sfTE or 3sgte swap.

whooooooo, calm down now

I'm going with the 5s-fte build. If you read my first post word for word you would have gotten that already. You would also have read that I said I don't have the funds for the head swap version. I know it cost losts of $$$. DUH! I've been doing my research and believe me, I KNOW you don't just slap on the ge head. There has to be internal work done to the block, cr changes, adjustments here and there, and yes, a stand-alone ecu, all which cost $$$.

This is why I chose to go with the 5s-fte, it closer to my price range, there are few things to mess with, and it will suffice my hp needs for now.

In the future, I plan on swaping for the ge head and with that there will be some really high hp goals since I plan on using the car not as a daily driver. (either that, or buy another celica to do the 5s-gte build and keep the 5s-fte as a daily driver)

I understand what is what on this matter. I've got many a months of research under my belt and plan on getting more. I'm also seeking a second job to help pay for my expensive hobby. So please, read the full post before commenting and see that I'm not some punk in over my head.

-thanks

sorry. your right, i didnt fully read your 1st post. i just woke up and skimed through it, and was thinking....wait, what one is he trying to do?

my 2nd post wasnt directed at you. it was more directed at player, who seems to think that a 5sgte is something cheap, easy, and a good idea with a ct26...lol.

if you (not player) understand the cost involoved and are looking to build a high HP monster, then more power to you! i would love to see it happen. in the mean time good luck with the 5sfTe. im sure youll be very happy with it.

[playr158]

a 5sgte is a lot of money.
a totally custom project thats not for the faint of heart.
best suited for somone with deep pockets and VERY high HP goals
NEEDS a stand alone ecu
would be pretty silly to do without also upgrading the turbo to something massive.
the motor has to be fully rebuild and upgraded ($$$$$$) . you dont just slap on another head.
etc....


the reason why its overkill, is that, unless you are shotting for some crazy power, you can meet all of your goals with a 5sfTE or 3sgte swap.

whooooooo, calm down now

I'm going with the 5s-fte build. If you read my first post word for word you would have gotten that already. You would also have read that I said I don't have the funds for the head swap version. I know it cost losts of $$$. DUH! I've been doing my research and believe me, I KNOW you don't just slap on the ge head. There has to be internal work done to the block, cr changes, adjustments here and there, and yes, a stand-alone ecu, all which cost $$$.

This is why I chose to go with the 5s-fte, it closer to my price range, there are few things to mess with, and it will suffice my hp needs for now.

In the future, I plan on swaping for the ge head and with that there will be some really high hp goals since I plan on using the car not as a daily driver. (either that, or buy another celica to do the 5s-gte build and keep the 5s-fte as a daily driver)

I understand what is what on this matter. I've got many a months of research under my belt and plan on getting more. I'm also seeking a second job to help pay for my expensive hobby. So please, read the full post before commenting and see that I'm not some punk in over my head.

-thanks

sorry. your right, i didnt fully read your 1st post. i just woke up and skimed through it, and was thinking....wait, what one is he trying to do?

my 2nd post wasnt directed at you. it was more directed at player, who seems to think that a 5sgte is something cheap, easy, and a good idea with a ct26...lol.

if you (not player) understand the cost involoved and are looking to build a high HP monster, then more power to you! i would love to see it happen. in the mean time good luck with the 5sfTe. im sure youll be very happy with it.

i know damn well how much it cost....don't think yourself so arrogant..
and none of my post say..its cheap or easy....i'm mearly saying you can't just rule it out cause it cost some money...and i'm sure you can run a ct26 on a 5sgte no problems(not saying this is the best option)...it all depends where your goals are and wat the person building wants to do....just every time you make a post about someone even considering a build of sumthing not commonly done...

personnally i like to see someone trying to go off the beat'n path for a change....A+ to frosty for having an outta the box goal

This post has been edited by playr158: Jun 16, 2006 - 1:46 PM

[frosty]

sorry. your right, i didnt fully read your 1st post. i just woke up and skimed through it, and was thinking....wait, what one is he trying to do?

my 2nd post wasnt directed at you. it was more directed at player, who seems to think that a 5sgte is something cheap, easy, and a good idea with a ct26...lol.

if you (not player) understand the cost involoved and are looking to build a high HP monster, then more power to you! i would love to see it happen. in the mean time good luck with the 5sfTe. im sure youll be very happy with it.

hey-hey, appreciate it! I can't wait to get up in the turbo'd celica ranks! What's funny though is my wife can't wait either. It makes me feel good having the support from her. ( I think though she wants to drive it and win races against all the locals that have an intake an muffler modded car to show off )

I am in search of a second job which will help fund this boost project. Working and saving that money will also help me finalize my desicion on which parts I want to build with. It's awesome to see everyone else who built a fte and see what helped and what didn't. It relly helps me make a more cost efficient decision.

[lagos]

umm for the record, i didnt say anything promoting a 3sgte.

[frosty]

umm for the record, i didnt say anything promoting a 3sgte.

true

[jgreening]

i'm pretty sure you can run a ct26 on a 5sgte no problems...it all depends where your goals are and wat the person building wants to do

But anyone who wanted to do that would be either ill-informed or stupid. Art's point is that although you could take a bunch of money and make a 5sgte with a ct-26, you could make a more reliable and more powerful car with less money using a different platform. His posts are right on point and your blind cheerleading only serves to mislead people into heading down an ill-fated path regardless of whether it is based on mistake or ignorance.

[playr158]

i'm pretty sure you can run a ct26 on a 5sgte no problems...it all depends where your goals are and wat the person building wants to do

But anyone who wanted to do that would be either ill-informed or stupid. Art's point is that although you could take a bunch of money and make a 5sgte with a ct-26, you could make a more reliable and more powerful car with less money using a different platform. His posts are right on point and your blind cheerleading only serves to mislead people into heading down an ill-fated path regardless of whether it is based on mistake or ignorance.

we all know you could make a more reliable and powerful platform with a different motor thats not the point...i mean for god sakes look at nik's motor 14k? for 300hp? your going to tell me he couldn't have used a 3sgte(or other) and added in 14k to make more?.......i'm not telling people wat turbo to use(i merely used it as an example for no requirement of a massive turbo) or wat motor to build...my post simply stated to not knock out the 5sgte option just because it takes a deeper pocket and more work...

This post has been edited by playr158: Jun 16, 2006 - 1:51 PM

[frosty]

i'm pretty sure you can run a ct26 on a 5sgte no problems...it all depends where your goals are and wat the person building wants to do

But anyone who wanted to do that would be either ill-informed or stupid. Art's point is that although you could take a bunch of money and make a 5sgte with a ct-26, you could make a more reliable and more powerful car with less money using a different platform. His posts are right on point and your blind cheerleading only serves to mislead people into heading down an ill-fated path regardless of whether it is based on mistake or ignorance.

There you go staying true to your sig.

[frosty]

alright, alright.

(trying to get back on track here)

I'M GOING TO BUILD A 5S-FTE! WOOT! HORRAY FOR ME!

[jgreening]

i'm pretty sure you can run a ct26 on a 5sgte no problems...it all depends where your goals are and wat the person building wants to do

But anyone who wanted to do that would be either ill-informed or stupid. Art's point is that although you could take a bunch of money and make a 5sgte with a ct-26, you could make a more reliable and more powerful car with less money using a different platform. His posts are right on point and your blind cheerleading only serves to mislead people into heading down an ill-fated path regardless of whether it is based on mistake or ignorance.

we all know you could make a more reliable and powerful platform with a different motor thats not the point...i mean for god sakes look at nik's motor 14k? for 300hp? your going to tell me he couldn't have used a 3sgte(or other) and added in 14k to make more?.......i'm not telling people wat turbo to use(i merely used it as an example for no requirement of a massive turbo) or wat motor to build...my post simply stated to not knock out the 5sgte option just because it takes a deeper pocket and more work...

Perhaps you forgot you typed this:

there is nothing wrong with going for 200-250whp with a 5sgte setup as compaired to a 5sfte/3sgte its just one more option...

The truth is that there is something wrong with this idea as I have already explained. As for NIK, he gets props for venturing out into uncharted territory. Ask him if he thinks its a cost beneficial way to get his results and I think you will begin to understand my point.

[nik]

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This post has been edited by nik: Jun 20, 2006 - 7:03 PM

[lagos]

the whole point is. forget about whats been done before, or what is or isint cool to do. its easy to day dream up the most unique setup, but the reality is that being the first person to do something isint alwasy the best idea, once you start to work on your project. ask anyone here with a swap or a turbo, and they will tell you that doing something as complex as a 5sGTE is probably a really bad idea for you first turbo project.

instead of trying to worry about how many cool points youll earn on the net, try to think of what power goals you would like to reach and what will be the best way to go about that.


EDIT: this isint really directed at anyone. just my general point of view on these types of topics. but if you have money to burn, and can afford someone like ChrisK to build you the motor of your dreams, then forget everything i just said.

This post has been edited by lagos: Jun 16, 2006 - 2:30 PM

[Kadett]

instead of trying to worry about how many cool points youll earn on the net, try to think of what power goals you would like to reach and what will be the best way to go about that.

EDIT: this isint really directed at anyone. just my general point of view on these types of topics. but if you have money to burn, and can afford someone like ChrisK to build you the motor of your dreams, then forget everything i just said.

I agree 100% on this. I also was tempted to do either a Supercharger or Turbo conversion on my 3S-GE engine. It would be something rare/unique but easy.... no. I went for the "safe" route with the swap. I think that building up experience doing "just" the turbo conversion on the 5S-FE is enough to satisfy you. Even if you have higher power goals. Look at manny a good example of someone building up experience in time and with very nice results in the end (with more to come I guess).

This post has been edited by Kadett: Jun 16, 2006 - 2:55 PM

[presure2]

the whole point is. forget about whats been done before, or what is or isint cool to do. its easy to day dream up the most unique setup, but the reality is that being the first person to do something isint alwasy the best idea, once you start to work on your project. ask anyone here with a swap or a turbo, and they will tell you that doing something as complex as a 5sGTE is probably a really bad idea for you first turbo project.

instead of trying to worry about how many cool points youll earn on the net, try to think of what power goals you would like to reach and what will be the best way to go about that.


EDIT: this isint really directed at anyone. just my general point of view on these types of topics. but if you have money to burn, and can afford someone like ChrisK to build you the motor of your dreams, then forget everything i just said.

X1000
couldnt have said it any better myself art.

[playr158]

the whole point is. forget about whats been done before, or what is or isint cool to do. its easy to day dream up the most unique setup, but the reality is that being the first person to do something isint alwasy the best idea, once you start to work on your project. ask anyone here with a swap or a turbo, and they will tell you that doing something as complex as a 5sGTE is probably a really bad idea for you first turbo project.

instead of trying to worry about how many cool points youll earn on the net, try to think of what power goals you would like to reach and what will be the best way to go about that.


EDIT: this isint really directed at anyone. just my general point of view on these types of topics. but if you have money to burn, and can afford someone like ChrisK to build you the motor of your dreams, then forget everything i just said.

X1000
couldnt have said it any better myself art.

+1

[lagos]

[Defgeph]

Congrats Frosty ! You're going to learn alot from this project. Become a hermit for a year, and save cash.

You'll be boosting in no time. 5sfte

[frosty]

Congrats Frosty ! You're going to learn alot from this project. Become a hermit for a year, and save cash.

You'll be boosting in no time. 5sfte

Yeah, when I find a decent second job I will end up being a hermit! Only out of the house to work. It'll be a suck-tastic time but the end result will be worth it!

[nik]

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[/quote]

we all know you could make a more reliable and powerful platform with a different motor thats not the point...i mean for god sakes look at nik's motor 14k? for 300hp? your going to tell me he couldn't have used a 3sgte(or other) and added in 14k to make more?.......i'm not telling people wat turbo to use(i merely used it as an example for no requirement of a massive turbo) or wat motor to build...my post simply stated to not knock out the 5sgte option just because it takes a deeper pocket and more work...
[/quote]

to fully build any motor its expensive and yes for now im only at 312 whp but with more time on the dyno those numbers will improve i dont know many cars that are over 400whp that run 92 or 93 pump gas and that was my first goal to get 350 whp on pump gas and go from there if i had it to do again would i have built a 3sgte probably not

furthermore i could have put on a big t4 turbo and not spooled till 5000 and made more power all it would be would be top end numbers

also 6k of that total was just labor on alot of the custom parts p&p etc

in the end i choose to build this motor

so if someone goes and spends half that and has some 500 whp 3sgte good for them