im sick of my slow @$$ car...., im gonna buy a honda or somethin Options

[easternpiro1]

well guys... that just about does it for me... there i was at the spot last saturday and watching people line up and take off is fun and everything, so i decide to join in on the fun, against another 6gc (lo and behold!) the guy that owns it says it was sold to him by his cousin ( a guy on here by the name of psycho or psyko something) i know the guy, and i start telling him about 6gc and everything...

god...2 much typing...MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT:

line up with the car
1 get spanked.....TWICE....REALLY BAD!!!
2 get strange looks and laughed at...=humiliation
3 wonder why in the hell i got beat so bad
4 go talk to the guy that drove and find out he's been drinking and eating shooms!
5 wonder why in the hell the owner let him drive his celica like that (owner is a pal of mine)
6 look under the hood and find out its A GOD #%#%#%^# ST as well!! but a stick shift
7 ride home considered SERIOUSLY selling my car.

im still depressed and its wednesday...dont want to show my face at the saturday nite meets again...


someone please slap me.... or explain to me what happend...please:(

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Jul 5, 2006 - 11:29 AM

[thaimiishoe]

i feel you...im puttin the car up for sell in a week
the car looks sexy, but its just too slow

[easternpiro1]

i feel you...im puttin the car up for sell in a week
the car looks sexy, but its just too slow

oh dear...i was hoping people wouldnt encourage me...

[playr158]

manual tranny swap brother....oh and turbo
its cheaper then a honda

This post has been edited by playr158: Jul 5, 2006 - 11:37 AM

[Manta5x]

The ST204 was only intended to be a reliable, sporty looking car.

[Culpable04]

this is the perfect time for you to start saving money and do complete swap ( manual tranny and bigger engine ) then go back and take those guys to a race track ( for safety ). then you can look at then with the funny face.

don't give up on your car just like that unless you wanna be just one more in the croud.

This post has been edited by Culpable04: Jul 5, 2006 - 11:43 AM

[Kadett]

Auto eats away your already few horses you have. Unlike the supra dragging with a auto Celica (no matter what engine type or mods) is pointless.

[Akimbo]

I don't agree that it's cheaper than a Honda.

I dunno. I'm discouraged with my car as well. I'm falling out of these styles of cars. With Jeff's car being so heavily worshipped around here, and his last timeslip was a 14.1 i'm sort of discouraged. Even the 13.9 in his profile is kind of iffy to me. So much work for high 13's. I don't know if it was ran with or w/o slicks, but whatever.

If it makes any difference, a buddy and I are looking into getting a fox body and building it's motor. He has the knowledge and I can use the experience.

[jcbass7]

this is how i see it..

i can spend my money on a fast car that doesn't have the curves and aesthetic apeal that i desire, but has the power i want. If i did this i would end up spending money trying to make it look how i want it.


Instead i bought a celi, the car i love the looks of; and am now making it fast (2nd gen 3sgte)

so in the end i have the looks i want and the power i love

you can almost always make the car faster and better under the hood, but its not the easiest thing to change the whole outside appearance of a car.

point being:

buy the car you like the looks of exterior and interior, and then do what is needed to make it fast

thats my view atleast..

[playr158]

I don't agree that it's cheaper than a Honda.

I dunno. I'm discouraged with my car as well. I'm falling out of these styles of cars. With Jeff's car being so heavily worshipped around here, and his last timeslip was a 14.1 i'm sort of discouraged. Even the 13.9 in his profile is kind of iffy to me. So much work for high 13's. I don't know if it was ran with or w/o slicks, but whatever.

If it makes any difference, a buddy and I are looking into getting a fox body and building it's motor. He has the knowledge and I can use the experience.

you also have to note jeff is not that modified from a stock RC185 3sgte motor...he has an EBC and ats fuel rail....(motor wise) but he's still running on a stock turbo......so i wouldn't say "so much work"(no way am i nocking jeff's car i love it)
really i think swaps in general put you around the low 14 second mark with good practice...nobody here (besides Jgreen) has an aftermarket turbo setup on a 3sgte..and even then we don't know how fast it is in the 1/4 mile...so i wouldn't get discouraged...but i will agree on the fact our cars do take a little more work and love then your main stream tuner mobile...

This post has been edited by playr158: Jul 5, 2006 - 11:51 AM

[dustin15brown]

just swap in a 3s

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

Easternpiro1, don't let people discourage you. No matter what, theres ALWAYS somebody faster so its all about enjoying what you have.

You just need to come to a NE meet and get some rides in the turbo and swapped Celicas, you'll never go back. Look at OOBE, he's got an automatic ST and he boosted the living hell out of it with pretty consistant sucess.....you could have the same. With all the time and money you've put into your car its counterproductive to sell now, I considered selling once and I'll never even think about it again.


I've now ridden in and driven turbo Celica and theres no looking back. It will be mine. I suggest you do the same.

[jdg371]

Yes our cars our slow.. especially the ST.. I rarely call it a celica.. its my 2door Corolla. Hehe But I still love it. I know its harded to make our cars faster than a honda.. but thats why I love Toyota.. Im still thinking of what to do with my "go fast" needs.. 7AGE, 20V Silvertop, 3SG(T)E.. and If we get more info into it.. 1MZF(Z)E. now my brother is encouraging me to go 2AZFE hehe

[easternpiro1]

silver youre right, i need to hop in a turbo celica and get re-focused...but i still dont undersand what happend to get beaten that bad by another st. i remember being on the highway with plyr (when he had the suprica st) one nite and he got on it and i was about to pass him (he thought he beat me) but the cops show up. something wrong with my car? i know i have a header leak. it smokes when i apply the seafoam.

[presure2]

I don't agree that it's cheaper than a Honda.

I dunno. I'm discouraged with my car as well. I'm falling out of these styles of cars. With Jeff's car being so heavily worshipped around here, and his last timeslip was a 14.1 i'm sort of discouraged. Even the 13.9 in his profile is kind of iffy to me. So much work for high 13's. I don't know if it was ran with or w/o slicks, but whatever.

If it makes any difference, a buddy and I are looking into getting a fox body and building it's motor. He has the knowledge and I can use the experience.

just so you know, jeffs car is EASILY capable of running mid 13s, once he perfects his launches, and gets some good tires on there.
and thats at low to moderate boost ~12-15psi, on the stock CT-26.
on a motor thats nearly 15 yrs old.

[thaimiishoe]

sucks living in cali...turboing = out of the question for me

[6strngs]

hey, I'm a little discouraged too.. we got some long straight roads just past my town that don't have speed limits. so I tried to take it to 100 mph.... well, at the end of this particular road is a sharp 15 mph turn. so, I'm going, trying to get to 100... I got to about 85 before I decided I needed to start slowing down for the turn.. it took me quite a while to get to that speed too (I'd say about 20 seconds) it was so pathetic. Now I want to swap or turbo, but can't afford it

sucks living in cali...turboing = out of the question for me

yeah, same with the swap too.

This post has been edited by 6strngs: Jul 5, 2006 - 12:43 PM

[CelicaGT04]

Hey man, i feel you. I wanted to sell my car too, i have actually put it up for sale atleast 2 times that i can think of. But i have been saving up for a swap and i am about 1 paycheck away (this friday) from buying it. Stick in there, it will all be worth the wait. When its all said and done you will have a BAD ASS LOOKING CAR and the speed that SHOULD go with it.

[x_itchy_b_x]

im positive i can get into the 13's bracket with the 13s at 15psi.
just do the swap. then a few bolts ons and your faster than a majority of the cars on the road. and it doesnt have to stop there with the 3s. a couple thousand later and you could even hit 12's. ive driven in Fwd cars with 330whp that ran a 12 flat. just mod that baby up! and dont tell anyone about the swap around your town. n
ext time you race say this time its for money and smoke em.

[elvasoshexai]

i agree with jcbass7.

before i bought my celica i was on this site for about 8months... and during those 8months i learned a lot about this car... it was also just during the time when pressure2 was building his 5sfte setup.

i loved the look of the 6gc... but was wondering if i would be happy with it's performance... i knew it would be slow... i could've got a 99 integra gsr for the same price w/ like 30k less miles... but after seeing pressure2's build.. i made up my mind on the 6gc.

[CLYCK]

im positive i can get into the 13's bracket with the 13s at 15psi.
just do the swap. then a few bolts ons and your faster than a majority of the cars on the road. and it doesnt have to stop there with the 3s. a couple thousand later and you could even hit 12's. ive driven in Fwd cars with 330whp that ran a 12 flat. just mod that baby up! and dont tell anyone about the swap around your town. n
ext time you race say this time its for money and smoke em.

yeah unfortunately for other people like honda owners can buy a shell or even a carfor about $2,500-$4,500
the spend another 3 grand and will be hitting 12's in a quarter mile people arent really thinking about b series no more its the era of the k and well a stock k24 (tsx engine) in a eg bubble runs 12's and would be cheaper if not the same as uying a celica and doing the 3s swap. If you wana see it in action go to my myspace i got a video of a stock k24 running the 1/4 mile. Even though the 3s is a great engine and well you gotta love turbo i wanna consider other powerplants maybe the v6 that comes in th camry but yeah around here its gonna start being alittle more competetive with the new honda engine. But you should definately do the swap, i find it that that most people dont know what my car is other than its a toyota because i have a toyota symbol so heres a elemnt of surprise there especially if you do the swap

[Defgeph]

You know how many Hondas I've seen hit 12's, thousands. You know how many Celicas I have seen hit low 14's, only 3.

Hondas are nice. but, the bandwagon is not for me.

[easternpiro1]

Hey man, i feel you. I wanted to sell my car too, i have actually put it up for sale atleast 2 times that i can think of. But i have been saving up for a swap and i am about 1 paycheck away (this friday) from buying it. Stick in there, it will all be worth the wait. When its all said and done you will have a BAD ASS LOOKING CAR and the speed that SHOULD go with it.

how long did it take you to save up? im going to start saving soon....got alot of bills

[Coomer]

Aren't K-series swaps still ridiculously expensive? Last time I was reading up on them on Honda-Tech project threads they costed way more than a 3S-GTE swap. And EG Civics aren't exactly cheap either...everyone wants one.

Anyway, don't get too discouraged with your car...if you want it to be faster you can always turbo or swap. Even with just a 160-hp 4A-GE in my car it's a blast to drive. I don't race and the motor isn't a good choice for straight line drag racing, but the car is a dream to drive.

[sinner96ST]

If you want speed, get a domestic or a swapped import.

My buddy spend 11k on his 99 z28 camaro, exhaust + headers & some other minor mods, and he's blowing doors off of anything imported around here.

Honestly, import speed is expensive if you want serious numbers or to be able to pull 13's or lower. Unless you get some gutted civic hatchback with a swap, be prepared to spend money or be generally 'slow' in terms of track times.

I've stuck it out long enough with my auto ST, the slowest of the slow. I don't believe a GT would make that much of a difference, the 6gc is a great car but without some serious cash being spent on it, it will always be slow. Advancing timing, intake, exhaust, weight reduction, all of this stuff is completely irrelevant when you're working off of an economical motor to begin with. The platform just sucks, I'm not dissing Toyota, I'm just dissing what they decided to put in their 'sports' cars in the late 90's.

The newer Celica's are no different, while the GT-S has 180hp, it lacks any amount of torque to take seriously. I've seen guys on newcelica.org spend thousands of dollars on super/turbo charging just to break in to the high 13's, it's almost not worth it at that point, unless you really love your car.

This post has been edited by sinner96ST: Jul 5, 2006 - 1:54 PM

[lagos]

silver youre right, i need to hop in a turbo celica and get re-focused...but i still dont undersand what happend to get beaten that bad by another st. i remember being on the highway with plyr (when he had the suprica st) one nite and he got on it and i was about to pass him (he thought he beat me) but the cops show up. something wrong with my car? i know i have a header leak. it smokes when i apply the seafoam.

id hate to tell you this... but your car is an automatic ST, thats why its so slow. buying a honda wont be much of an upgrade.

if you want to smoke everyone on a shoe string budget, then buy youself an awd DSM and a nice craftsman toolset to go along with it.

[easternpiro1]

lol lagos u sure know how to make me laugh....DSM...i might as well get a neon.... i know its an auto but jeezus!! he beat me by like 3 cars! and it wasnt even an eighth of a mile!!!

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Jul 5, 2006 - 1:54 PM

[lagos]

lol lagos u sure know how to make me laugh....DSM...i might as well get a neon....

a DSM is the only car that will get you the most power for the money. i would rather roll around in one of those then a honda.

[sinner96ST]

I agree with lagos, if I were to do it over again, i'd attempt to go the DSM route, 6 bolt swap, and pray to god nothing horrible happened.

Of course, more often than not, you hear horror stories about kids blowing up motors & such, but they're kids, that's what kids do.

[easternpiro1]

when i got in my accident a while ago the guy that fixed my car offered to trade me str8 up with a eagle talon.... and i said hell no...(then again i was a dumbass back then in 2000)

[sinner96ST]

when i got in my accident a while ago the guy that fixed my car offered to trade me str8 up with a eagle talon.... and i said hell no...(then again i was a dumbass back then in 2000)

Those talon's arent really that bad. The problem is, I don't see too many with a manual tranny, or with a decent amount of mileage on them (under 100k).

When I sell the celica, I'm gonna be looking for a 96+ Eclipse GS-T hard top with low mileage. It will be rare, but i'll find one, and I wouldn't mind paying a premium price for one either.

[presure2]

Those talon's arent really that bad. The problem is, I don't see too many with a manual tranny, or with a decent amount of mileage on them (under 100k).

ohh..yes, yes they are....they are commonly known around here as "electrical nightmares"

[daazndood]

well guys... that just about does it for me... there i was at the spot last saturday and watching people line up and take off is fun and everything, so i decide to join in on the fun, against another 6gc (lo and behold!) the guy that owns it says it was sold to him by his cousin ( a guy on here by the name of psycho or psyko something) i know the guy, and i start telling him about 6gc and everything...

god...2 much typing...MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT:

line up with the car
1 get spanked.....TWICE....REALLY BAD!!!
2 get strange looks and laughed at...=humiliation
3 wonder why in the hell i got beat so bad
4 go talk to the guy that drove and find out he's been drinking and eating shooms!
5 wonder why in the hell the owner let him drive his celica like that (owner is a pal of mine)
6 look under the hood and find out its A GOD #%#%#%^# ST as well!! but a stick shift
7 ride home considered SERIOUSLY selling my car.

im still depressed and its wednesday...dont want to show my face at the saturday nite meets again...


someone please slap me.... or explain to me what happend...please:(

dude, you have an AUTOMATIC and a ST....

those 2 words combined is a big no no for racing.

[playr158]

Matt i'll donate you a manual tranny for the cause

who wants to donate shift cables

This post has been edited by playr158: Jul 5, 2006 - 2:27 PM

[Defgeph]

If you want cheap speed buy a street bike. It doesnt really matter what car you drive, we could sit here all year and argue this car is better than that.

If the car you currently drive makes you happy, stick with it and start planning some serious mods. If not. Find a car that will make you happy.

You can make any car faster, but only the right car to you will make you happy.

[j0e_p3t]

i pretty much agree with everyone. for starters, ditch the auto tranny and learn to drive stick. a good driver in a manual st can take on an auto gt. plus its a lot more fun to drive. and save up some more for either a swap or turbo. i highly recommend that you not sell your car for a honda. talk about a major downgrade. your car is one of a kind and hondas are ubiquitous.

just mod that baby up! and dont tell anyone about the swap around your town. n
ext time you race say this time its for money and smoke em.

i totally agree. haha

This post has been edited by j0e_p3t: Jul 5, 2006 - 3:15 PM

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

Exactly. You can make any car fast, its not even worth discussing what cars are better. You buy yourself a cheap car and spend money to make it fast, or buy a more expensive car thats already fast and before you know it, you spent the same ammount of money and from either angle you come from you end up with the same result - a quick car.

Celicas aren't blazing fast from the factory, especially auto ST's. However with the right ammount of money and time invested, you can forget that you ever had any doubts about the Celica.

Its aaaaallllllll relative.

[jcbass7]

If you want cheap speed buy a street bike. It doesnt really matter what car you drive, we could sit here all year and argue this car is better than that.

If the car you currently drive makes you happy, stick with it and start planning some serious mods. If not. Find a car that will make you happy.

You can make any car faster, but only the right car to you will make you happy.

^^ basically the same point i was attempting to touch on.. he just said it better

[daazndood]

i pretty much agree with everyone. for starters, ditch the auto tranny and learn to drive stick. a good driver in a manual st can take on an auto gt. plus its a lot more fun to drive. and save up some more for either a swap or turbo. i highly recommend that you not sell your car for a honda. talk about a major downgrade. your car is one of a kind and hondas are ubiquitous.

unless its like a vtec prelude or something. those are cool!

[thaimiishoe]

im positive i can get into the 13's bracket with the 13s at 15psi.
just do the swap. then a few bolts ons and your faster than a majority of the cars on the road. and it doesnt have to stop there with the 3s. a couple thousand later and you could even hit 12's. ive driven in Fwd cars with 330whp that ran a 12 flat. just mod that baby up! and dont tell anyone about the swap around your town. n
ext time you race say this time its for money and smoke em.

yeah unfortunately for other people like honda owners can buy a shell or even a carfor about $2,500-$4,500
the spend another 3 grand and will be hitting 12's in a quarter mile people arent really thinking about b series no more its the era of the k and well a stock k24 (tsx engine) in a eg bubble runs 12's and would be cheaper if not the same as uying a celica and doing the 3s swap. If you wana see it in action go to my myspace i got a video of a stock k24 running the 1/4 mile. Even though the 3s is a great engine and well you gotta love turbo i wanna consider other powerplants maybe the v6 that comes in th camry but yeah around here its gonna start being alittle more competetive with the new honda engine. But you should definately do the swap, i find it that that most people dont know what my car is other than its a toyota because i have a toyota symbol so heres a elemnt of surprise there especially if you do the swap

[kamax]

swapped celica is awesome for speed and daily driving, if you want a car that run low 12 or something, how many of them are actually street drivable? and have the looks =p. all in all, if you want serious speed, go for something else, celica look nice, have good protental with 3s swap, and there's a good upgrade for the 3s, although expensive you can get a good hp number with stock internal. if you're seriouse about putting power to the 3s, upgrade internals, turbo, etc etc etc. hell how do you think those honda are fast? stock? dont think so

[Rayme]

quick fix : don't race

If you wanan spend thousands of dolalrs for the sole satisfaction to have a car faster than stranger, go ahead!


This post has been edited by Rayme: Jul 5, 2006 - 4:41 PM

[crismillencolin]

I dont care really how fast my car is , if i wanted a fast car i'd buy something fast but it'll probarly be ugly and i dont do ugly cars.....

Supra TT or GT4 at the end of the year for sure

[behindthesmile]

the first time i laid eyes on a 6gc it became one of my dream cars... for me to actually get one is really amazing i was discouraged that i got an st but now with the soaring gas prices and the new law about street racing here in ontario i wouldnt trade it in for the world... i'm focusing on ricing up my car for now and i couldnt care less what people think... i do have money save up for an engine swap mostlikely a 1mzfe if i get the chance but thats only when my motor blows. for now rice it up.


btw new ontario law: check the chart: http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/crime/street-racing.html

not only that once your car is seized it becomes a pepsi can ....just to prove their point they showed 2 modded civics being scrapped on the evening news

This post has been edited by behindthesmile: Jul 5, 2006 - 7:07 PM

[brthrurik]

if the money is there anything can be made to go fast... I've seen a VW bug run 10 flat, for that matter i've seen a dodge colt run low 11's...

don't ever give up, just rember you are driving a hot looking car!

[Celicav]

Hey, if you just wanna beat the guy in the Manual ST, just trade your ST in for a nice Manual GT. I traded my Auto GT in for a 95 Manual GT (with only 67K on it...I got lucky!) last year, and it is a blast to drive...a little more power might be nice, but I'm not racing anyone, so I'm in no rush Don't feel so insecure about it...no one should judge your character or "hate" just cause your car is slower than theirs.

[CLYCK]

Aren't K-series swaps still ridiculously expensive? Last time I was reading up on them on Honda-Tech project threads they costed way more than a 3S-GTE swap. And EG Civics aren't exactly cheap either...everyone wants one.

Anyway, don't get too discouraged with your car...if you want it to be faster you can always turbo or swap. Even with just a 160-hp 4A-GE in my car it's a blast to drive. I don't race and the motor isn't a good choice for straight line drag racing, but the car is a dream to drive.

yeah coomer you do have a point but if you know what your looking for then well my prices are corrct for instance my friend owns a repo company so i can get a k24 for a few hundred the most expensive part would probably be getting the type s tranny of an rsx and even if you dont know someone that can get you a engine look around rsx and tsx are def in alot of junkyards and well if you find an accord k 24 you can always slap on a k20 head. there are so many sites that offer good prices for alot and well living out here in the east coast well theres plenty of ways to get what you want atleast for honda's believe me ive done the numbers with what i can get and the same amont of money iam spending to get a nother celica and due a swap i can be faster in a honda but like the rc king said its the bandwagon that i dont like. But i still like a nice honda especially a delsol and well as far as car prices lets see i know atleast 3 cars that are up for sale in my area all eg's one a bubble and two are coupes the two couupes are each asking 2 grand so iam sorry but my celica cost $3200 and well in a honda ou dont need to worry if u have a gt or an st all swaps are the same as far as car models for a honda but i love my celica even though its oput of commission right now i would still do the swap on my celica not too many celicas around hee are modded but everyother honda is.

[Celicaguy13]

sucks living in cali...turboing = out of the question for me

yeah, same with the swap too.

How is the swap illegal? Get yourself a 94-95 mr2 usdm swap you have yourself a legal 3s swap. You can even get a 94-95 Jdm mr2 clip, but you'll have to take the manifold or something to get drilled for egr and usdm ecu, and WaLa... legal swap.... I know I work at a Ref station and i've asked my boss several times. Engine just has to be same year or newer of your car. I'm considering doing a v6 swap in the future just because it's easier to find newer 1mzfe's those then a 95 3sgte swap (since I have a 95 st). Then later on if I "wanted" more power, i'll just add a TRD Supercharger "CARB approved" and i'll have a legal 1mzfze.

This post has been edited by Celicaguy13: Jul 5, 2006 - 11:55 PM

[6strngs]

yeah, I know it has to be same year or newer, but doesn't it also have to be a california engine too, one that has to be built to ca emissions specs?

[hashmaster52]

i live in cali too. it hella sux. but isnt there a way to get by with a swap or turbo? like pay someone to pass ur smogs n stuff? i wanna swap or turbo too.....otherwise my car will stay hella slow.

[Glitch001]

no, if you pass smog, you pass smog. Just dont get your hood popped. those test only stations rarly check for EGR, hense why i passed with my GEN 2 jspec sawp. Just keep your cats, smog, and have fun.

[thaimiishoe]

sucks living in cali...turboing = out of the question for me

yeah, same with the swap too.

How is the swap illegal? Get yourself a 94-95 mr2 usdm swap you have yourself a legal 3s swap. You can even get a 94-95 Jdm mr2 clip, but you'll have to take the manifold or something to get drilled for egr and usdm ecu, and WaLa... legal swap.... I know I work at a Ref station and i've asked my boss several times. Engine just has to be same year or newer of your car. I'm considering doing a v6 swap in the future just because it's easier to find newer 1mzfe's those then a 95 3sgte swap (since I have a 95 st). Then later on if I "wanted" more power, i'll just add a TRD Supercharger "CARB approved" and i'll have a legal 1mzfze.

it'd have to be a 94 mr2 usdm swap (for me)...jdm is out of the question. The main part is getting it to pass ca emissions smog while you cannot have any aftermarket modifications done to the engine. cali is real strict about that. whatever you can pull though...go for it.

no, if you pass smog, you pass smog. Just dont get your hood popped. those test only stations rarly check for EGR, hense why i passed with my GEN 2 jspec sawp. Just keep your cats, smog, and have fun.

see you're screwed if you get pulled over. so why do it in the first place? luckily we dont have those side test stations in norcal yet

[6strngs]

sucks living in cali...turboing = out of the question for me

yeah, same with the swap too.

How is the swap illegal? Get yourself a 94-95 mr2 usdm swap you have yourself a legal 3s swap. You can even get a 94-95 Jdm mr2 clip, but you'll have to take the manifold or something to get drilled for egr and usdm ecu, and WaLa... legal swap.... I know I work at a Ref station and i've asked my boss several times. Engine just has to be same year or newer of your car. I'm considering doing a v6 swap in the future just because it's easier to find newer 1mzfe's those then a 95 3sgte swap (since I have a 95 st). Then later on if I "wanted" more power, i'll just add a TRD Supercharger "CARB approved" and i'll have a legal 1mzfze.

it'd have to be a 94 mr2 usdm swap (for me)...jdm is out of the question. The main part is getting it to pass ca emissions smog while you cannot have any aftermarket modifications done to the engine. cali is real strict about that. whatever you can pull though...go for it.

no, if you pass smog, you pass smog. Just dont get your hood popped. those test only stations rarly check for EGR, hense why i passed with my GEN 2 jspec sawp. Just keep your cats, smog, and have fun.

see you're screwed if you get pulled over. so why do it in the first place? luckily we dont have those side test stations in norcal yet

so you're from san jose? I bought my celi from a guy in san jose, I'm about 45 minutes north, in livermore

[daazndood]

liver more? why didnt you post on my topic asking about who is near bay area??!?!

[6strngs]

liver more? why didnt you post on my topic asking about who is near bay area??!?!

I didn't see that thread. sorry!

[6strngs]

so, I just need the engine from a 94-95 usdm mr2 turbo. were exactly am I gonna find that?

[Glitch001]

Your not....91-93 mr2 is easier, why did you just jump to 94-95 those are the hardest years to find.

And back to the quote on "Im screwed" hardly, how amny cops know what an EGR is. my engine is powdercoated anyway, but i have all my smog and sound level certifaction in my car so id be legally glad to have a CHP try and bust my balls. All cuz im 20 doesnt mean im dumb. Cops want easy prey simple as that.

13 months, 350+rwhp later ive been pulled over dozens of times (headlights angled at a 23 degree or lower angle? I dont even know wtf he was talking about). And even came close to a tow and in handcuffs (verbally assulting an officer?") but not a single ticket. I dont race on streets and i dont speed everywhere, just be polite and stern afterall they work for YOU. But its all how you hold yourself, nothing to fear. Test only stations wont mind, but visual inspection can screw you, hell ive had one of my close buddies FMIC rx7 sent to a state ref for "illegal intake modifcations" which was a joke. My fear is external wastegate noise haha, that seems to the be the new fuse for local PD.


But if your fear is that stern, 91-95 mr2 3sgte make sure the egr is working right. and your cats arnt clogged. My biggest fear in cali is this...

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/05/598.asp

or the already stationed mobile smog pits stationed outside of big car meets and/or car shows. Like the incidenct at the HIN 2 years ago.

This post has been edited by Glitch001: Jul 6, 2006 - 2:34 AM

[easternpiro1]

Matt i'll donate you a manual tranny for the cause

who wants to donate shift cables

re-he-HEAALLY? HMMMM....


and for you cali guys...what if you are from a state that dosent have such restrictions and you come visit? are u subject as well? cause i know in va, they are real arseholes....

[6strngs]

Your not....91-93 mr2 is easier, why did you just jump to 94-95 those are the hardest years to find.

because, it's california law, you can only swap an engine that is the same year or newer, which in my case is a 94. and I thought that it also had to be a california engine, it couldn't be imported from ohio, let alone japan. not sure about that last part now though.

anyway, the idea I cam up with last night was: I had my car smogged 6 months ago, so if I save up for the next year and a half, get it smogged, and then swap the day after, I'm good for two years. and after 3 1/2 years, I'll probably have moved out of this state by then. I dunno, it's a possibilty.

[rayneezy23]

same here too sick of the slow car but people say on the other topics that if you shift at the right time it wouldn't be so bad

This post has been edited by rayneezy23: Jul 6, 2006 - 9:00 PM

[CelicaBuddy]

yeah i dont blame ya for being upset about the celica being slow

I have friends that always wanna try and race me. Racing is dumb IMO anyways, but I'd just like to have a faster car... Not to beat everyone else, but just because I want one... I dont really care about how fast my car goes, but speed would be a nice touch

This post has been edited by CelicaBuddy: Jul 6, 2006 - 9:30 PM

[Manta5x]

if you really want power get a manual mustang with a v8

[trd94]

if you really want power get a manual mustang with a v8

and spend $40 in gas ever third day to fill it up i know use to have one

[gone9420]

stay away from mustangs and get a tsi ('ur not cool unless u spool')

[6strngs]

I was thinking more along the lines of a MKIII supra turbo or a porsche 944

This post has been edited by 6strngs: Jul 7, 2006 - 12:18 AM

[daazndood]

if you really want power get a manual mustang with a v8

and spend $40 in gas ever third day to fill it up i know use to have one

well, the mustang v8 gets 5 mpg less(compared to GT celica) in the city and highway (about 18city/24highway) but its 3 seconds faster in the 0-60 (5.5). depends if your willing to sacrifice fuel efficiency for performance.

[Delta_Phoenix]

Getting back to what was said earlier...

Don't get on the Honda bandwagon. I'm not knocking Honda or anything, but they're just too common.

I live in an extremely small town. A town with 25 Civics, 2 Preludes, about 500,000 Cobalts (really only about 4, but those are so ugly that it amounts to 4 more than I'd like to see), and a slew of Neons and Eclipses. And how many 6GC's? One. Mine. I can't say how many times I've been in town and said, "Oh look, a Honda." And even though I wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of hanging with a Prelude, a Cobalt, or a Neon, it still amuses me that I could hang with all of those Civics that are supposed to be so amazingly badass.

Short story - My '94 ST, completely stock at the time. '03 Civic EX, LOADS of bolt-on mods (header, exhaust, intake, ignition, etc...). Both 5-speed. Who won? I did. That was the point where I was ultimately not impressed with Hondas. And the look on his face after I showed him my stock 7A against his $800 investment in bolt-ons - priceless. Anyway, racing is out of my interests right now. MPG > WOP.

There's a guy here that owns a Shelby Daytona (the only one in this town) that runs 11's in the ¼ mile on street tires with a Quaife LSD and boosting around 22 psi. Jumping on the bandwagon doesn't mean you'll have a fast car. My point here is the same as everyone else's. With enough time, enough money, and enough elbow grease, you can MAKE your Celica fast. I've raced plenty of races that I didn't win, but it's not discouraging me. Our cars have potential, we just have to unleash it.

Seeing a video of a 5GC GT-FOUR blowing the doors off an R33 Skyline was all I needed. But alright I'm done ranting.

[easternpiro1]

delta...ive never seen you before on here but YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!!! I agree...its just i get in my i wanna kil my car moods, and it boggled me that i lost that bad to antother st (even though i have automatic) maybe its cuz i gutted the exaust that i have no launch...ah well...i like street racing, watching not really into running but with what i do with kids all week i need somethign to release the pent up stress. probably why i need the rush of adrenaline when the lights chase us. i have a serious problem...

[trd94]

if you really want power get a manual mustang with a v8

and spend $40 in gas ever third day to fill it up i know use to have one

well, the mustang v8 gets 5 mpg less(compared to GT celica) in the city and highway (about 18city/24highway) but its 3 seconds faster in the 0-60 (5.5). depends if your willing to sacrifice fuel efficiency for performance.

18 city/24 highway as long as you keep your leg out of it and the wind is behind you i liked my mustang but i love my celica

[hurley97]

if you had a stock celica i might say yeah go ahead get another car...or at least get a manual GT.

but it looks like youve put a lot of work into yours...i say turbo that sh*t! lol

i drove a turbo'd celica and as soon as i got out was ready to give up my auto ST

and even if you cant beat EVERYTHING its more respectable having built it and extremely different

eff hondas! lol

[ray405]

just get a ST205 gt4

[Kadett]

just get a ST205 gt4

Just rub it in a bit more that they can not get the GT4 in a legal way!

[ray405]

it wernt ment to be offensive, i know they are harder to get in the US,
as they are rarer over-there but what do you mean by illegal?

[hurley97]

it wernt ment to be offensive, i know they are harder to get in the US,
as they are rarer over-there but what do you mean by illegal?

a true 100% stock JDM ST205 would never be legal in the US

too much has to be modified to conform to Department of Transportation rules to be able to register it legally

[ray405]

Thanks for explaining that as i didnt know! just thought they where rare,
didnt mean to offend anyone

[hurley97]

Thanks for explaining that as i didnt know! just thought they where rare,
didnt mean to offend anyone

no problem

we have 5th gen alltracs...those are very rare
im upset they didnt bring the gt-4 here
oh well...time to move to the UK

[Heytalktoryan]

keep your celica man, i had a 1994 celica hatchback and the car was awesome.I powerslid through ever tur i took, ran on an empty tank for weeks,drove it everywhere,barely ever changed the oil and basically beast the living **** out of the car.It just kept giving back, kept running every day after day.Then i also felt the car was too slow and traded it up and bought ym self a dsm.Eclipse gst, fast ass hell, 115 more hp than my manual st celica with the exhaust,cai, and boost controller.But you should be aware that goign fast cost money.I changed the oil every 2700 miles, babied the car and yet my tranny went out, the turbo died, and i had numerous ppl try and break into the car.I sold it 3 months after i got it and got a prelude which i love but i still miss my old celica.So basically be happy with what you have, they can be made into fast sexy cars, it just takes time and a whole lot of patience.

[easternpiro1]

keep your celica man, i had a 1994 celica hatchback and the car was awesome.I powerslid through ever tur i took, ran on an empty tank for weeks,drove it everywhere,barely ever changed the oil and basically beast the living **** out of the car.It just kept giving back, kept running every day after day.Then i also felt the car was too slow and traded it up and bought ym self a dsm.Eclipse gst, fast ass hell, 115 more hp than my manual st celica with the exhaust,cai, and boost controller.But you should be aware that goign fast cost money.I changed the oil every 2700 miles, babied the car and yet my tranny went out, the turbo died, and i had numerous ppl try and break into the car.I sold it 3 months after i got it and got a prelude which i love but i still miss my old celica.So basically be happy with what you have, they can be made into fast sexy cars, it just takes time and a whole lot of patience.

somebody told me if i wanted something fast, do what you did, get a dsm but also buy a good set of tools (indicating it would break lol.) hmmm. im not going to give up hope.... i havent saved up all my stripper money yet... thanx dude...

[daazndood]

u dont need a dsm. just get a GSR or a VTEC lude and it'll be enough. also, it'll last long as hell too.

[easternpiro1]

u dont need a dsm. just get a GSR or a VTEC lude and it'll be enough. also, it'll last long as hell too.

i agree... but then i would have to hang myself and let every member on this site give me a punch to the breadbasket and the ladies can get a kick to the baby makers....

[daazndood]

u dont need a dsm. just get a GSR or a VTEC lude and it'll be enough. also, it'll last long as hell too.

i agree... but then i would have to hang myself and let every member on this site give me a punch to the breadbasket and the ladies can get a kick to the baby makers....

lol. dont tell anyone then.

get a wrx?

[creamed_corn]

Just get a crotch rocket. Cheaper than a car, sips gas, and faster than anything on four wheels.

I'll be seeing you in the emergency room, too.

[jdg371]

or a 125CC gokart.. faster than most car on 4wheels.. at least at launch LOL

[easternpiro1]

i was supposed to be gettin this old 92 yamaha from my boy but im scared now... but hmm...maybe i should get a dodge omni and turbo it! or buy my friends old dodge caravan (turbo) lol

[dustinkemp]

^^^i wanna see pics of a turboed caravan!

[easternpiro1]

yeah! that was back when chrystler turboed everything!!! (faster than a hooker on payday too!) he pulled up at the spot "pshhhhhh!!!!" everybody crowded around....i shoulda took pics....imma call him. he's an mr2 owner as well...i think i know him from 6gc?

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Jul 13, 2006 - 8:59 PM

[lumbercis]

Okay, time to cut the bull****.

1. You are complaining that your STOCK AUTO 110hp ST is slow, so you want to upgrade to a 106hp Honda Civic? Please explain how that makes sense.

2. Hondas are not a more capable platform than Celicas. Let me say that again, HONDAS ARE NOT A MORE CAPABLE PLATFORM THAN CELICAS! The fast Hondas you see are all engine swapped except for a few higher-end models. I hate when everyone complains that their stock engined celica is slow, by comparing it to an engine swapped Honda. Stock Civics are slow as dog ****! Most modded civics have AT LEAST a B16 swap if the owner can afford it at all. We have the option of 4age, 3sge (slightly more powerful than a GSR engine), Beams 3sge (slightly better than a Type R Engine) or the holy 3sgte, which you can add about 50-70hp to with an intake exhaust and boost controller. Hondas have NO stock turbo engine swaps available, so quit complaining.

3. Which brings me to another point. Most fast hondas arent even putting out that much horsepower. Mostly they do what they do through weight. Why do you think the CRX is the most popular platform for serious drag racers? Cause it's a go-kart with body panels.

4. Yes, making a toyota fast might tend to be more expensive than making a honda fast, but that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PLATFORM! It has to do with the fact that there are tens of thousands of kids out there spending millions of dollars on their hondas. Of course there will be more fast hondas. If we counted up every celica tuner out there, we probably wouldn't equal the amount of Honda tuners in one major city. So of course there will be some fast hondas out there. But that is a function of having a large community, not a superior platform.

5. I hate to state the GLARINGLY OBVIOUS, but the "celicas are slow" crap has got to end. "Celicas" are not slow. AMERICAN celicas are slow because we only got economy engines in the U.S. The next person that says, "Celicas were only meant to be sporty looking and economical" needs to get THWAPPED with a wet herring. The full celica line doesn't just consist of the U.S. models, it includes the SSII, SSIII, and GT-4. Go ahead and complain that we didn't get them, but lose the "celicas are slow" crap. Quick! Someone go tell Tufy to sell his GT-4 and get a HONDA so he can have a fast car!

6. If your car is slow, it's because you haven't made it fast. It doesn't even have to be that expensive. I think more people should consider NA swaps first rather than jumping straight to the 3sgte. A 4age or 3sge swap will be simpler, cost less, and with a little strategic weight reduction, will allow you to roast more than a few civics at the local meets, if thats what you are after.

7. Ack! Rant overload! In short, love your celica! if you don't think it has potential, you arent looking at the big picture.

J.

[brthrurik]

Okay, time to cut the bull****.

1. You are complaining that your STOCK AUTO 110hp ST is slow, so you want to upgrade to a 106hp Honda Civic? Please explain how that makes sense.

2. Hondas are not a more capable platform than Celicas. Let me say that again, HONDAS ARE NOT A MORE CAPABLE PLATFORM THAN CELICAS! The fast Hondas you see are all engine swapped except for a few higher-end models. I hate when everyone complains that their stock engined celica is slow, by comparing it to an engine swapped Honda. Stock Civics are slow as dog ****! Most modded civics have AT LEAST a B16 swap if the owner can afford it at all. We have the option of 4age, 3sge (slightly more powerful than a GSR engine), Beams 3sge (slightly better than a Type R Engine) or the holy 3sgte, which you can add about 50-70hp to with an intake exhaust and boost controller. Hondas have NO stock turbo engine swaps available, so quit complaining.

3. Which brings me to another point. Most fast hondas arent even putting out that much horsepower. Mostly they do what they do through weight. Why do you think the CRX is the most popular platform for serious drag racers? Cause it's a go-kart with body panels.

4. Yes, making a toyota fast might tend to be more expensive than making a honda fast, but that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PLATFORM! It has to do with the fact that there are tens of thousands of kids out there spending millions of dollars on their hondas. Of course there will be more fast hondas. If we counted up every celica tuner out there, we probably wouldn't equal the amount of Honda tuners in one major city. So of course there will be some fast hondas out there. But that is a function of having a large community, not a superior platform.

5. I hate to state the GLARINGLY OBVIOUS, but the "celicas are slow" crap has got to end. "Celicas" are not slow. AMERICAN celicas are slow because we only got economy engines in the U.S. The next person that says, "Celicas were only meant to be sporty looking and economical" needs to get THWAPPED with a wet herring. The full celica line doesn't just consist of the U.S. models, it includes the SSII, SSIII, and GT-4. Go ahead and complain that we didn't get them, but lose the "celicas are slow" crap. Quick! Someone go tell Tufy to sell his GT-4 and get a HONDA so he can have a fast car!

6. If your car is slow, it's because you haven't made it fast. It doesn't even have to be that expensive. I think more people should consider NA swaps first rather than jumping straight to the 3sgte. A 4age or 3sge swap will be simpler, cost less, and with a little strategic weight reduction, will allow you to roast more than a few civics at the local meets, if thats what you are after.

7. Ack! Rant overload! In short, love your celica! if you don't think it has potential, you arent looking at the big picture.

J.

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and also, why dragrace a track car, our cars may not be incredibly fast but they are hella quick and very responsive. Lose 'em in the turns and they can't catch you in the straight away....

[94st_santos]

Well said lumbercis, that is the funnest part about 4 cylinders, making them go faster and learning as much as you can as you go. If you're tired of a slow car, easy solution, make it fast!!!

[Shocker]

well put...and swap for a manual tranny get a full exuast and intake and luagh as you get the jump on most car with twice the horsepower...sure they will have you in a higher top end but you probably wont get much of a chance to reach high speeds any way...ive been known to take v6 mustangs for mileabout an 1/8 mile...so dont be upset...our car can really kick some major as* you just have to give it a chance.. and ive takin all the hondas and accords that have revved up on me cept one...
and it was swapped and turboed..so i didnt have a chance.but i did have him for about a foot and a half at the begining.. i cant wait till i get my 4agze then im really gonna hurt some feelings specially after i boost the bajebus out of it if i decide i dont want the supercharger.and want to go turbo...be happy your a celica owner..= a billion cool points for you

[creamed_corn]

Okay, time to cut the bull****.

1. You are complaining that your STOCK AUTO 110hp ST is slow, so you want to upgrade to a 106hp Honda Civic? Please explain how that makes sense.

2. Hondas are not a more capable platform than Celicas. Let me say that again, HONDAS ARE NOT A MORE CAPABLE PLATFORM THAN CELICAS! The fast Hondas you see are all engine swapped except for a few higher-end models. I hate when everyone complains that their stock engined celica is slow, by comparing it to an engine swapped Honda. Stock Civics are slow as dog ****! Most modded civics have AT LEAST a B16 swap if the owner can afford it at all. We have the option of 4age, 3sge (slightly more powerful than a GSR engine), Beams 3sge (slightly better than a Type R Engine) or the holy 3sgte, which you can add about 50-70hp to with an intake exhaust and boost controller. Hondas have NO stock turbo engine swaps available, so quit complaining.

3. Which brings me to another point. Most fast hondas arent even putting out that much horsepower. Mostly they do what they do through weight. Why do you think the CRX is the most popular platform for serious drag racers? Cause it's a go-kart with body panels.

4. Yes, making a toyota fast might tend to be more expensive than making a honda fast, but that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PLATFORM! It has to do with the fact that there are tens of thousands of kids out there spending millions of dollars on their hondas. Of course there will be more fast hondas. If we counted up every celica tuner out there, we probably wouldn't equal the amount of Honda tuners in one major city. So of course there will be some fast hondas out there. But that is a function of having a large community, not a superior platform.

5. I hate to state the GLARINGLY OBVIOUS, but the "celicas are slow" crap has got to end. "Celicas" are not slow. AMERICAN celicas are slow because we only got economy engines in the U.S. The next person that says, "Celicas were only meant to be sporty looking and economical" needs to get THWAPPED with a wet herring. The full celica line doesn't just consist of the U.S. models, it includes the SSII, SSIII, and GT-4. Go ahead and complain that we didn't get them, but lose the "celicas are slow" crap. Quick! Someone go tell Tufy to sell his GT-4 and get a HONDA so he can have a fast car!

6. If your car is slow, it's because you haven't made it fast. It doesn't even have to be that expensive. I think more people should consider NA swaps first rather than jumping straight to the 3sgte. A 4age or 3sge swap will be simpler, cost less, and with a little strategic weight reduction, will allow you to roast more than a few civics at the local meets, if thats what you are after.

7. Ack! Rant overload! In short, love your celica! if you don't think it has potential, you arent looking at the big picture.

J.

Man, where the hell has this guy been the whole time? He should be required to reply to every post in this forum.

[easternpiro1]

i never said my celi didnt have potential. i was complainingabout getting spanked by another st (mostly) im perfectly aware of the platforms and the requirements to get a fast celi. i was just bitchin and moaning....one of my famous rants... although i forgot about the 4a...thanx man...


thanks for the input! i appreciate ur pride man!!!

[Kadett]

Agreeing to Lumbercis on every point. Except the fact that swapping a 3S-GE or 4A-GE would be easier. The only easier part I can think of is that you dont have to think about a FMIC (and that only if you dont have a ST205/185RC engine) when getting the NA engines in. It still needs swapping trannies and modifying wiring harnesses.

You cant really add Tufy in the topic since I think that there is more money spend on that car then some people on this forum earn each year

BTW there is a Honda CRX Vtec here with a turbo, running about 300whp. That thing has wheelspin in 4th gear !!

This post has been edited by Kadett: Jul 15, 2006 - 12:05 PM

[XS4lv1Truch0x]

celi's arent slow

people are impatient

if you can go 70+ on a 4 cylinder, thats not slow

[Total_Package]

Maybe you shouldnt have spent all that money on cosmetic mods?
Seriously, why sell a car that not many people have for a Honda/Acura that everyone has?

I am surprised not many people here dont hit 14s. Maybe its because this is a small forum?

[easternpiro1]

the cosmetic mods were pretty cheap. the paint job was 533 my friend did the body work for free

[Delta_Phoenix]

/* insert extremely long rant */

This won't help matters any, but the 110hp rating on the ST is the rating at the crankshaft. I'm not sure about the Civics, but if they're putting 106 to the wheels, then they're slightly more powerful than an ST. But either way, it's a Honda.

i never said my celi didnt have potential. i was complainingabout getting spanked by another st (mostly) im perfectly aware of the platforms and the requirements to get a fast celi. i was just bitchin and moaning....one of my famous rants... although i forgot about the 4a...thanx man...


thanks for the input! i appreciate ur pride man!!!

I've had my Celica for... Christ, nearly 4 years. Check my mod list in my profile, it's nothing fancy. Its got dings, dents, paint chips, an oil leak, and has had a deer crash into the rear passenger quarter panel, and been slammed by an 80's-model Buick. It's nothing beautiful. Even more reasons why you'll rarely see a picture of my car from the passenger side.

But hey, I still love my car. I'm praying it lasts until I finish college and find a good job, so I can finally do the things I've wanted to do to it. Even if it does go kaplooey before then, I'll still keep it and fix it up later on.

Point is, I only wish my car had the aesthetics that your's does. Mine is all wheels and the purdy projectors. But I do have some killer NGK plug wires. They're blue. Anything blue adds 350 WHP. And my valve cover is nearly finished being polished, so there's another 850,000 WHP. I've driven plenty of cars, and rode in several that nearly broke my neck during acceleration, but I'm not jealous. Just enjoy the ride.

Addition: I drove a 1986 Pontiac Firebird with a 2.8l V6 before I bought the Celica. Going from that to the Celica was like trading in a tank for a dune buggy.

This post has been edited by Delta_Phoenix: Jul 17, 2006 - 5:36 PM

[pure_dx]

i thought we were done with this thread already? this is starting to sound like that one new guy's thread about wanting to make a fast celica. What was the saying in that thread again, hmmmmm...oh yeah, something like this "If you want cheap fast, dont get the celica" or something like that.....it all comes down to $$$$, i hate to admit it, but its true, when talking about speed, the civic guys has it better than the celica guys (at least here in the states) but seriously if you gonna get a honda, please dont get a civic

[celiracer]

3rd gen 3sgte swap is what im talking about Eastern.

This post has been edited by celiracer: Jul 25, 2006 - 6:29 PM

[hata]

Honda = small company

Toyota = Big company with better technology

There is many things to do with a celica...depends on where you want to go. Other than that...get a RWD car. FF are ...boring.