E153 into a GT 6gc Options

[Punisher]

Ok, this is pissing me off.. I can't find any SOLID one place to look data on putting the e153 into a 6gc gt..

I mean.. no one has a write up (preferably with pics) on this swap?

[My2Celi]

for which motor 5sfe or a 3sgte?

[Punisher]

3SGTE

[Punisher]

Just everything I seem to find is people speculating this and that... Seriously someone HAS to of done the swap successfully and made a write up on it.

[Rjb23]

Lots of people have done the swap and there is tons of info in this forum on it.

This is what you need to do.
Swap over the linkage from the gt4 tranny.
Swap over a electronic speed sensor if your tranny has a mechanical one.
Make hybrid axles ( st185 outers, mr2 inners from same year as tranny lsd/non lsd also)
st205 rear mount/bracket, st205 driverside mount.
mr2/st185 clutch kit (pressure plate/throwout bearing/clutch etc..)
I used the st shift cables and have not had a problem with them.

There is also a write up on steve's site on how to swap the linkage over.

[Punisher]

My only issue is just with the mounts.. not the linkage as my trans is from a 99 v6 camry.

So an ST205 rear mount and bracket... ST205 driver side mount would be the same as an st185 i'd imagine..

[WannabeGT4]

Lots of people have done the swap and there is tons of info in this forum on it.

This is what you need to do.
Swap over the linkage from the gt4 tranny.
Swap over a electronic speed sensor if your tranny has a mechanical one.
Make hybrid axles ( st185 outers, mr2 inners from same year as tranny lsd/non lsd also)
st205 rear mount/bracket, st205 driverside mount.
mr2/st185 clutch kit (pressure plate/throwout bearing/clutch etc..)
I used the st shift cables and have not had a problem with them.

There is also a write up on steve's site on how to swap the linkage over.

Just thought I'd add a few things to Rjb's great post.

It is my understanding that if you get your E153 from a Camry/Solara you won't need to swap the linkages. However, I don't think any of them came with factory LSD so the MR2 trans may be a better option if you have the shift linkages left over from your AWD trans.

The hybrid axles will need a spacer on the passenger side between the inner and outer portions of the axle. See this topic here:
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=32626

It is vital that you get the proper inner stubs. LSD and Non-LSD axles are not interchangeable without machining. See this thread at MR2OC:
http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=90876

Some people get by just fine with their stock shifter cables... others say they needed ST205 cables.

[lagos]

erik told me he used the st185 rear motor mount and that worked for him.

[Rjb23]

The st185 rear bracket will work but the mount will not. The bracket is about an 1 1/2" to 2" to the passengers side of the mount so you need the st205 mount which is off set that distance to the passengers side.

Punisher you can try the st185 driverside mount, that is what I am using but I have a custom rear. You may need to grind it a little to get it to fit in the mount on the frame I did, as it is a little to wide.

Also the passenger side is not the side that pops out of the tranny. The halfshaft bracket (carrier bearing) holds the passenger side in the tranny. The driverside if it is to short will pop out.

[burneeed]

On my swapped e153 mount wise I used.... Front gt mount.. Top mount I had to combine both mr2 + celica mount... rear mount had to be altered from a moun I bought at advance....

[Punisher]

The st185 rear bracket will work but the mount will not. The bracket is about an 1 1/2" to 2" to the passengers side of the mount so you need the st205 mount which is off set that distance to the passengers side.

Punisher you can try the st185 driverside mount, that is what I am using but I have a custom rear. You may need to grind it a little to get it to fit in the mount on the frame I did, as it is a little to wide.

Also the passenger side is not the side that pops out of the tranny. The halfshaft bracket (carrier bearing) holds the passenger side in the tranny. The driverside if it is to short will pop out.

I used the st185 driver side mount last night .. I had to sawzall some of that spacer out like you said.. but today I put the GT mount on instead.. I just need to drill a few holes out of the bracket plate out.

I am gonna mock that rear up now and figure out what needs to be done and then go machine it up.

[Punisher]

Went back to the ST185 side mount because it bolts right up to the trans bracket.

Anyway, I've pretty much decided that the best way to go about the rear is to make a custom mount bracket.

The ST185 mount will bolt down to the crossmember ... However the front bolt needs a washer or spacer under it to make it level with the rear.

Tomorrow I'll make up a custom bracket and I'll snap pics of it all on.

[Rjb23]

Why not just use the GT front mount and bracket?

You can also use the st rear insulator or the gt rear insulator but it will wear out quick and you will need fill it with poly. That is why I recommend just going with the st205 rear mount and bracket, it is oem and it is made to hold up to the hp that the 3s puts out.

[playr158]

could always buy the inserts for the GT rear and it should hold up

[Rjb23]

Why not do it right and get the 205 mount, it is the same cost as a gt mount and you don't have to do a custom mount. You just have to wait a while to get them.

[Punisher]

I did it today... Using a GT rear mount bracket

You need to modify it slightly so that it sits to the passenger side more.. the top bracket hole needs to get bolted to the bottom mount hole on the trans..

It is hard to explain but I'll put pics up later

I am using an ST185 rear mount as well.

[Punisher]

That is a GT rear bracket with an ST185 rear mount (insulator).

I had to move over from the hole in the bracket and then make a slotted hole.

Then cut a portion of the other bolt ear off of the bracket and weld that plate on which still needs to be trimmed slightly and then drilled.

The mount works beautifully.

I am filling all of my mounts with urethane so there shouldn't be much engine flex to begin with.. so that should work pretty well.

I should add that even the rear GT insulator could be used with this setup.. however, I don't care for the studs in the mount.. makes it a PITA for removing/installing... I may still go with the GT mount though simply because it bolts right in easier.. with the ST185 mount you need to put a spacer in the front because the way they cross member slopes upward.

I may just end up chopping the studs out of the mount and welding nuts on instead.

[presure2]

punisher, for the filled mounts, i would sticky with somthing thats semi-pliable, like roof flashing stuff...the black PL.
the PL poly construction adheasive (yellow) just cracks, splits, and chunks out under load.

[Punisher]

I use 3M Super Fast Window Weld Polyurethane.

I've had great luck with it before.

Infact, on my 90 GTS (5sfe) I had a mount where the rubber was torn completely and I just filled it all in with the window weld and no issues ever since.

[presure2]

yea..that would be about the equivlent of the stuff im talking about.
cool beans.

[Punisher]

We need to get something in a sticky .. This is a serious solution to the rear mount problem with out ordering ST205 ****.. Which could take weeks or even months to get depending on the dealership, if the dealership will even be able to get it.

[supra12big]

yes, i need a rear mount asap, punisher could u fab up a rear mount for my e153 u can use a gt mount or whatever u did for urself, and i will pay u

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

supra12big,

You need to talk to Jeff Watson at Champion Toyota located in Houston, Texas. Their direct number is 1-800-327-2087. Order yourself a rear ST205 engine mount, and be done with it and do it right.

It will bolt right up to the E153 since the ST205 uses a E-series AWD transmission, and they share the same center crossmember so everything will sit just the way its supposed to with your setup.


-Corey


EDIT: To be more specific, you need to order the rear engine mount AND bracket.

This post has been edited by Silver94CelicaOwner: Dec 22, 2007 - 3:59 PM

[snapshotgt]

You need to talk to Jeff Watson at Champion Toyota located in Houston, Texas. Their direct number is 1-800-327-2087. Order yourself a rear ST205 engine mount, and be done with it and do it right.

Also try ebay.co.uk and search "st205 breaking" - that's how i found mine.

btw, breaking = parting out to uk guys

[supra12big]

will do, thanks

[eggman40]

Dont forget, when you switch over the shift linkages there will be a hole left over where they came out of before. that hole will need to be welded shut so it doesnt leak fluid. you need to find someone who can weld aluminum. i dont have pictures. i remember there was a website with all this info, ill try and find it

[Punisher]

Switch over the shift linkages?

Btw, the E153 rear bracket works just fine.. you just need the 205 rubber mount tho.

[supra12big]

whats the e153 bracket, is that the same as the alltrac rear bracket? or mr2 rear bracket

[Batman722]

whats the e153 bracket, is that the same as the alltrac rear bracket? or mr2 rear bracket

The e153 bracket is the alltrac and mr2 rear bracket.

edit : you've posted about 5-6 times about this same mount and bracket and the answers are all the same. Why do you keep asking the same questions about this ? If you have a e153 tranny you need to use the st205 mount and bracket, now stop making mulitple posts about it.

edit #2 for a correction, my mistake Eric, I was lost in the #s

This post has been edited by Batman722: Dec 23, 2007 - 12:22 PM

[Supersprynt]

Whoa this is getting confusing.

You need an E154 transmission bracket.

E154 is ST205
E150 is ST185
E153 is SW20.

[supra12big]

well, i just got a alltrac st185 bracket in, which fits great, but the mount screw inlet(hole where the screw goes through) sits way lower then the brackets hole, will the st205 mount sit higher to screw in, cause don't forget the steering shaft is right by there, and only a 1inch away

o, and can anyone show me a pic of a st205 mount please, i have been searching

[Punisher]

I am going to beat you people to death with a fruckin engine mount soon!!

This isn't THAT hard.. E153 is MR2 Turbo/Camry V6.. E154 is THE SAME TRANSMISSION but since it is AWD they named it the E154 because of the transfer case bolted on it! They couldn't just call it the
"E153 w/ awd transfer case for super radical celica turbo with awd functions that make all your base belong to us!"

So.. Go find yourself an E153 BRACKET, it's the BRACKET that bolts to the REAR OF THE TRANSMISSION! Should be able to easily find one at a junk yard that has a V6 5spd camry, or ask around online! Yes, The ST205 rear tranny bracket works as well! THEN!!! No if's and's or but's! You need the ST205 rear MOUNT.

End of discussion if I was a mod I'd close all these rediculous threads.

[Kadett]

You do realize that this topic was created by you 15 months ago

[Punisher]

You do realize that this topic was created by you 15 months ago

Yup.. and I soon thereafter discovered all of this **** out for myself

[supra12big]

lol thanks, i am in the process of buying the mount, locating it as well, hoepfully the st205 mount solves the problem, cause u know how there the steering assembly, and the mount barely fits under there, so i hope this works

[Sthen]

I'mm arrived now to this problem...to menare power in my celi after swap
I found on ebay an SW20 geasrbox w/LSD
and at the moment i have only st202 axles.....
can use these with spacers????

[scothaniel]

Hey Sthen -

No, the axles on your ST202 (non- super strut) are the same as our GT Celica's with the S series trans. So you'll have to use the MR2 / Camry / Alltrac combo's, or try the axles from the ST202 SS2 (super strut) Celica.

[Sthen]

but with mr2 axles i must to use spacers???

[Supersprynt]

You need hybrid axles, no matter what you do. Depending on how you go about doing that, you will need spacers.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Mar 3, 2008 - 8:42 PM

[Sthen]

At the end for mount E153 gearbox i need

front GT mount
rear st205 mount
inner sw20 axles (same year fo the e153)
outer st185 axle(only for passenger side)

is correct?