Info needed, Please help! Need Engine advice Options

[JonCars17]

Like I stated in the other post, I found out a few days ago that my engine is going bad. Which means engine swap. I'm not sure on many things so I figured I'd make another post asking questions I may have. Please try to speak in n00b because I don't know much about cars. So here goes:

Engines I'm looking at:
1mzfe (V6)
4agze
4age

Questions:
1) Will any of these give me bad traction on take off? Dr. Tweak stated the 1mzfe puts out 190 HP and has more Torque than the 3sgte. Not sure about the other 2 engines.
2) Which would get better Gas Mileage?
3) What exactly is a Tranny? Is that the Transmission?
4) What Tranny would you recommend? Camry V6? Other?
5) How much roughly for the Tranny?
6) Which engine would you recommend personally? I don't want the 3sgte, out of my price range

I'm leaning more towards the V6 cause well it's a V6 and you don't see many Celicas with a V6 in it, but I'm starting to worry about Traction. Car will be a street car so no drag.

That's all I can think of

Price Range is probably 5,000 may go alittle over but not much

[hitcachi]

Questions:
1) Will any of these give me bad traction on take off? Dr. Tweak stated the 1mzfe puts out 190 HP and has more Torque than the 3sgte. Not sure about the other 2 engines.
2) Which would get better Gas Mileage?
3) What exactly is a Tranny? Is that the Transmission?
4) What Tranny would you recommend? Camry V6? Other?
5) How much roughly for the Tranny?
6) Which engine would you recommend personally? I don't want the 3sgte, out of my price range



Price Range is probably 5,000 may go alittle over but not much

1) Traction is the least of your worries right now. Time to research and get a swap done. Dont worry about traction.
2) You will see a decline in gas mileage on all those engine from the 7afe. But the best would probably be the 4age.
3) Yes, its the transmission. You have a long ways to go..........
4) probably a C52
5) Depends how good of a junkyard you go to. $200? $400?
6) 4AGE.

$5000 price range? A 3S-GTE is not out of your price range. Any more questions let me know.

[JonCars17]

Why do you recommend the 4age?

Price from Dr. Tweak is 6200 for the 3sgte for my car. But I guess I can wait longer. Still need to save up for it don't have enough for anything right now. This kindof caught me off gaurd.

And I'm using Dr Tweak prices cause I plan to get him to do it cause I don't know enough about cars to do it myself. I have yet to ask him about the 4age and 4agze

This post has been edited by JonCars17: Aug 17, 2006 - 12:23 PM

[WH95TE]

Whats the 1mzfe??

[hitcachi]

His price for the 3S-GTE is so high casue he has to do alot of reiwring to get the engine harnesses to match up and since you have an ST he has to mess with the motor mounts on the passenger side. I say the 4age cause its been done before by a number of members on here and its a strong motor and its not to hard to find them.

[JonCars17]

Whats the 1mzfe??

It's an engine out of a Camry V6 not sure on the year I think it is the 1994 to 1996 model.

His price for the 3S-GTE is so high casue he has to do alot of reiwring to get the engine harnesses to match up and since you have an ST he has to mess with the motor mounts on the passenger side. I say the 4age cause its been done before by a number of members on here and its a strong motor and its not to hard to find them.

How much HP and Torque does the Silver top actaully put out? The black top is said to be hard to find and has 165 HP and 117 rated lb. ft. of torque.

Would it be expensive to turn a 4age to a 7age seeing as I already have a 7afe?

This post has been edited by JonCars17: Aug 17, 2006 - 1:11 PM

[WH95TE]

It's an engine out of a Camry V6 not sure on the year I think it is the 1994 to 1996 model.

Hard to find? The idea of a v6 sounds awesome lol. Does it fit? Cause I haven't heard of anybody doing this.

[JonCars17]

Someone from the board bought it and was in the process of doing it, Not sure on weather it is finished yet or not. So I assume it does. Dr Tweak didn't meantion anything about it not fitting

[jdg371]

The 1/3MZFE came from Camrys 92+, Solaras, Avalons, ES300 etc.

They are what the MR2 guys use for their V6 swap also. The 1MZFE varies from 180-220(Sienna) hp. If more power is needed you can slap on a TRD supercharger which can be rated at 240ish

A V6 swap that lurks my mind is the 2GRFE .. 3.5L V6 260hp (lowest) to 310ish.. and a crap load of torque. This engine has been swapped in a MRS. From what Ive been reading their lighter than the 3SGTE!

Who wouldnt want a 260hp Celica that can run on 87 Octane!

Questions:
1) Will any of these give me bad traction on take off? Dr. Tweak stated the 1mzfe puts out 190 HP and has more Torque than the 3sgte. Not sure about the other 2 engines.
2) Which would get better Gas Mileage?
3) What exactly is a Tranny? Is that the Transmission?
4) What Tranny would you recommend? Camry V6? Other?
5) How much roughly for the Tranny?
6) Which engine would you recommend personally? I don't want the 3sgte, out of my price range

1-Traction can easily be fixed with huge tires.. haha
2-The 4AGE would give the best gas mileage
3-Tranny is Transmission
4-For the 1MZFE a stock V6 tranny would be fine. Also you can use a MR2 Turbo Tranny (I heard their the same? minus LSD)
5-Depends.. Junkyards would be cheap, no more than 500
6-Personally, 4AGZE for performance, 20V for NA performance.. (which isnt much) and 4AGE for a daily. For a daily I wouldnt want to use high octane.. I mean it is a daily

This post has been edited by jdg371: Aug 17, 2006 - 3:01 PM

[JonCars17]

wouldn't the 1mzfe be faster than the 4agze. If so, then why would you choose the 4agze over the rest for performance? Plus 1mzfe wouldn't use high octane, would it?



This post has been edited by JonCars17: Aug 17, 2006 - 3:44 PM

[netrata]

I would highly suggest to go with something that is a direct swap into the engine bay. If you decide to boost the engine to gain more hp and torque over the 7afe, then I highly suggest the 4agze. The 4agze has internals that can withstand some boost and is supercharged from factory. If you go n/a than any 4age will be good, whether its a silvertop or any of the 16v 4age. I have the 20v silvertop in my celica and all I can say that it's pretty good on gas, and has good top end power. But it lacks low end torque. The Camry v6 engine that you are referring to may have alot of torque and good hp, but will be bad on gas when compared to the A-series engines. And it will definitely cost you alot to do a 7age build because of alot of custom work needs to made. Getting to the point, I would go with a 4agze into you st celica because it will be better since there are alot of parts available in the us. The 20v will cost you a good amount since parts need to be bought from japan. The camry v6 and 3sgte should be out of the question since mount modifying and alot of other custom fabrication have to be made to make them fit. It will cost you alot of money.

This post has been edited by netrata: Aug 17, 2006 - 5:52 PM

[JonCars17]

I hear what your saying, but deep down I want an engine to give me enough power to atleast keep up with a V8 mustang, but even if it could only smoke a V6 by a car length I'd be happy. Sorry I got a friend that just pisses me off sometimes with his V6 -_-.

[jdg371]

throw some nawz!

a V6 hasnt been pioneered so price wise.. it would be the most.

with a 4AGZE.. you take out the Supercharger and slap a turbo.. done deal

[netrata]

throw some nawz!

a V6 hasnt been pioneered so price wise.. it would be the most.

with a 4AGZE.. you take out the Supercharger and slap a turbo.. done deal

JDG371 is right. The 4agze would be the most cost effective way to gain hp. Like he said, pull out the supercharger and add a turbo setup. Im pretty sure you'll be able to take on a few v6 cars. But if your willing to put out with more funds, then get a 3sgte for sure

[Kwanza26]

Here's some advice... learn about cars before you chip out 5 grand for a motor that may or may not ever get finished.

[hitcachi]

Here's some advice... learn about cars before you chip out 5 grand for a motor that may or may not ever get finished.

stole the words from my mouth......

[JonCars17]

why wouldn't it get finished?

What would i need to change to get the 4agze or 4age to work in my engine bay compared to the 7afe ST engine I got now?

This post has been edited by JonCars17: Aug 18, 2006 - 7:32 AM

[bindertch]

Easier option. Just sell your car and buy a GT4. Then you get the 3SGTE and the AWD. That way you have power and traction.

[Predator]

Easier option. Just sell your car and buy a GT4. Then you get the 3SGTE and the AWD. That way you have power and traction.

and you'll have to import it, pass american emission standards, etc etc

[netrata]

Yeah that's a good option. Sell the celica and get the 1991+ celica all trac. It may be a generation below what you already have. But hey, you'll already have a 3sgte and all wheel drive. Which is probably what your after for.

[JonCars17]

Actually I'm planning to go check out a 2000 Chevy Camaro tomorrow so depending on how that turns out. I may end up with a RWD Car . My hopes aren't high thou cause of not having credit but it's worth a shot.

[soulshadow]

I would focus mostly on a 4agze because it does have a little more power at the dyno than a 20V. + you will at least have a peace of mind that your local auto part store actually carries parts for your engine when it breaks down. As for the 3sgte its more work and more parts to buy if you have an ST, but it does also make more power in the long run. Stick to an engine that you could find parts to easily and not have to order over seas.