Cali guys: 1mzfe swap smog legal??? Options

[Davesceli]

I was lookin around and read about the v6 swap. Can we drop that motor into are car without dealing with the smog crap. Thats the main reason i haven't done the 3sgte swap. I don't want to have to go through the hassle of finding someone to "help me out" with the smog test.

While on the v6 subject, can the 1mz fit in our car with the supercharger attached. I read that the 3mz was kind of a tight fit.

[XS4lv1Truch0x]

i think it has 2 be the same engine in the same car.

that and the engine has to be newer than the car.

if the first one dosent exist than congradulations, you can get a legally smogged v6 celica

put a supercharger on that v6 and it will fail smog.

[Davesceli]

i know the sc is carb legal, for the camry. but im not sure about it being in a celica tho.

[Dr_Tweak]

Yes, as long as the engine is the same year of the car or newer, and it DOES have EGR, and is the same or newer OBD generation, then it's legal. And the S/C should be fine if it's a smog-legal version.

-Doc

[Bitter]

call someone and find out for sure, he-said she-said wont help you when you get a ticket!

[j0e_p3t]

yup, the v6 swap is legal. swap engines can't be older than the car or jdm in cali. a usdm 230hp na 3mzfe swap sounds good to me.

[pandakid]

last time i check this what they told me.(hope this makes sense0)


motor has to be the year of that car or higher. you can't go back years.

you can put other motors like a honda,ford,chevy, ect.

you can only put motors from that weight classes, like im guess you can't put a B20 in a integra becuase that motor is from a SUV. the classes i belive are: light weight, heavy, SUV, and Deisal.


those are the mains one or that should be it. when you a motor from another car, you have to go to the DMV and they will inspect it and will give you paper work so you can smog it. when smog time comes, you have to go to the ref. they have to smog it due to the paper work you got from the DMV.


im not really 100 percent sure so don't quote me on something. hope this helps thought


i want to put the scion TC motor hopefully i will be able to do that.

[Dr_Tweak]

And in California, it HAS to have EGR!

[pandakid]

oh i forgot and the motor has to be USDM

[tomazws]

Oh, and in Cali, the motor has to SUCK and with ABSOLUTELY NO HP to pass our ****ing stupid smog check ****.

[airfron]

Oh, and in Cali, the motor has to SUCK and with ABSOLUTELY NO HP to pass our ****ing stupid smog check ****.

yeah but only legally

[6strngs]

Oh, and in Cali, the motor has to SUCK and with ABSOLUTELY NO HP to pass our ****ing stupid smog check ****.

this is why I will just smog the car like the day before I do any kind of turbo or engine swap, then I don't have to worry about it for two years, and then, if (god forbid) I'm still living in cali in two years I'll try finding some dishonest guy that'll pass it for me after a little cash under the table.

[j0e_p3t]

Oh, and in Cali, the motor has to SUCK and with ABSOLUTELY NO HP to pass our ****ing stupid smog check ****.

not really.... just can't be older, jdm, or have non street legal mods. cali is a lil more strict than most states. but i don't see why a v6 swap shouldn't pass.

[xelan]

I'm going to be moving to CA in a little less than a year and was wondering what swaps would be kosher out there? It seems like there are so many resitrictions that I might just need to buy a faster car when I want the speed and keep the ST for all the other days.

[Snodalo]

where in cali?

[6strngs]

I'm going to be moving to CA in a little less than a year and was wondering what swaps would be kosher out there? It seems like there are so many resitrictions that I might just need to buy a faster car when I want the speed and keep the ST for all the other days.

if the car was registered in another state when the swap occured, I don't think it has to be limited to california engine swap rules as long as it passes smog (which is extremely strict), which includes having an EGR.

if you look around on craigslist (in my area anyway) you see a LOT of cars for sale with engine swaps. most of them say "needs smog." I think people here get their car smogged, then engine swap it, then two years later sell it before they smog it so they don't have to deal with it.

[xelan]

Thanks for the answer, and sorry to hijack the thread there for a bit.

[dubk]

not legal. the celi never came with a V6, so you can't do it. legal in the camry though.

[Davesceli]

The reason i ask, is because i've got a friend who dropped a modified b18c5 (type R) with a usdm head and emissions crap into an eg hatchback. He got it bar'd and its now street legal. Now i know for sure that no honda civic hatch rolled off the factory floor with a type r motor, at least not in the u.s!!!

I guess i just answered my own question!!!

[Celicaguy13]

not legal. the celi never came with a V6, so you can't do it. legal in the camry though.

Incorrect. The v6 CAN be swapped into the celi. You need to have ALL smog emission equipment from the donor car. Ex. Evap, egr, etc... The 1mz-fe can be from 94-whatever because that engine was available during our years. The supercharger is legal as well and if I recall correctly, it's even legal for 94 1mz-fe's.

And as for the 3sgte's...

Those are legal to swap into 94-95 celica's as well because the 3sgte was still offered in america in the mr2's. So when you swap it in and take it to the Ref, tell them it's a "Mr2 swap".

*Also, you can get JDM engine swaps, however, you DO Have to install EGR. Josh does this up at www.chicoraceworks.com. Other then that, just make sure all vacuum and emission components are installed as per the 94-95 mr2. Go to alldata or michel online to get the 94-95 mr2 vacuum and emission diagrams and make sure you have ALL the components.

[spolski07]

good thing i live in texas!!!

[Celicaguy13]

Your so right, but when you really look at it... You can make your Celi fast and cheap and legal.

If you want NA- Get a 1mz.
If you want turbo- 3sgte.

Hooked up correctly, you have a fast legal toyota that will smoke.

[lumbercis]

2zz-ge is also an option.

[Celicaguy13]

True, but the hard part of this swap, AND REF'S ARE AWARE OF THIS, is that zz engines are reversed, which means the header is on the Back side. zz equiped cars have big indents in the firewalls to make a "tunnel" so to speak for the header. So doing a zz swap, you, Most likely, have to cut the fire wall or need to move or modify the steering rack so the stock header clears. The reason this is a problem is because you cannot have a custom header made and it be legal, unless you pay thousands to submit the design to BAR and have them test it to legalize it. This is a similar problem the Honda guys have trying to legalize the k20 in older civics. It is possible though.

[6strngs]

here's what I found:



1. I want to modify or replace my vehicle's engine, will it pass the smog test?

If you are deciding to change your vehicle's engine, these guidelines must be observed to ensure that the vehicle will be eligible for smog certification or registration.

Remember, these are guidelines for performing engine changes -- not certification procedures. All exhaust emission controlled vehicles with engine changes must be inspected by an official referee station and must have a Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) Vehicle Identification Label affixed to the doorpost.

Remember also, state and federal anti-tampering laws generally prohibit any modification to the vehicle's original emission control system configuration as certified by the manufacturer. And, Section 3362.1 of the California Code of Regulations prohibits any engine change that degrades the effectiveness of a vehicle's emission control system.

1. California Certification
A federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) certified (federal or 49-state) engine cannot be used in a vehicle that was originally certified for California.
2. Certification Standards
Make sure the engine and emission control configuration on exhaust - controlled vehicles are certified to the year of the vehicle or newer, and to the same or a more stringent new vehicle certification standard.
3. Classification
Don't mix engine and vehicle classifications which will degrade the emissions certification standards. For example, a heavy-duty engine cannot be installed in a light-duty exhaust-controlled chassis even if they have the same displacement. Non-emissions controlled power plants such as industrial or off-road-use-only engines may not be placed in any exhaust-controlled vehicle.
4. Computer Controls
If a computer-controlled engine is installed in a non-computerized vehicle, the "CHECK ENGINE" light, the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) diagnostic link, and all sensors, switches, and wiring harnesses needed to make the system fully functional must also be installed.
5. Emission Control Configuration
Mixing and matching emission control system components could cause problems and is generally not allowed. Engine and emission control systems must be in an engine-chassis configuration certified by the California Air Resources Board (ARB) or U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The engine must meet or exceed the requirements for the year and class of vehicle in which it is installed.
6. Emission Warranty
Voiding the vehicle manufacturer's emission warranty is not allowed.
7. Engine Modifications
No internal or external engine modifications (cams, pistons, intakes, etc.) may be performed unless the parts are ARB-exempted or EPA-certified for use in the installed engine. Use the database on this site to search for aftermarket parts covered by ARB Executive Orders.
8. Original Equipment
The installed engine and host chassis must retain all of their original emission control equipment. Diesel-to-gasoline conversions must have all gasoline engine and chassis emission control systems installed (such as fillpipe restrictor, catalytic converter and evaporative emission system).
9. Smog Inspection
These vehicles must pass a complete smog inspection (visual, functional, and tailpipe).

[xelan]

So with regards to the California Certification part (#1) would mean that if I move to Cali, my car is legal in the other 49 states, that I could stick an engine in it that came from another car made to Federal regulations?

[lumbercis]

True, but the hard part of this swap, AND REF'S ARE AWARE OF THIS, is that zz engines are reversed, which means the header is on the Back side. zz equiped cars have big indents in the firewalls to make a "tunnel" so to speak for the header. So doing a zz swap, you, Most likely, have to cut the fire wall or need to move or modify the steering rack so the stock header clears. The reason this is a problem is because you cannot have a custom header made and it be legal, unless you pay thousands to submit the design to BAR and have them test it to legalize it. This is a similar problem the Honda guys have trying to legalize the k20 in older civics. It is possible though.

Really? Dr Tweak was talking about this swap a while back and didn't mention anything about cutting into the firewall. Just said that it would involve some serious wiring. I believe he swapped one into a corolla with no problem?

[Bitter]

8th and 9th gen (1998 and up) corollas come with a ZZ engine already, so the firewall isnt a problem.

[6strngs]

So with regards to the California Certification part (#1) would mean that if I move to Cali, my car is legal in the other 49 states, that I could stick an engine in it that came from another car made to Federal regulations?

I think (though it's really just a guess) that if the car is registered in another state at the time of the swap and it is made to be legal in that state, and then you bring it into california they really can't do anything about it and it won't have to apply to the cali engine swap laws. the thing is, it will have to have all cali-spec emissions requirements and will need to pass the smog test. most (non-modified) cars from out of state don't pass right off the bat when they come to cali and need to be modified slightly to meet with the emissions standard. when my parents brought the civic to cali, the people at the DMV inspected and smogged it and seemed really pissed that it actually passed (pissed because now they'll make less money ripping you off.)

[chinamandrift]

just to add on top of this cuz my friend did this last year s2000 motor in a old school celica legalized it..........you also need the vin from the donor car.........the ref wants to make sure your engine wasnt stolen or wasnt produced in the states

here's what I found:



1. I want to modify or replace my vehicle's engine, will it pass the smog test?

If you are deciding to change your vehicle's engine, these guidelines must be observed to ensure that the vehicle will be eligible for smog certification or registration.

Remember, these are guidelines for performing engine changes -- not certification procedures. All exhaust emission controlled vehicles with engine changes must be inspected by an official referee station and must have a Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) Vehicle Identification Label affixed to the doorpost.

Remember also, state and federal anti-tampering laws generally prohibit any modification to the vehicle's original emission control system configuration as certified by the manufacturer. And, Section 3362.1 of the California Code of Regulations prohibits any engine change that degrades the effectiveness of a vehicle's emission control system.

1. California Certification
A federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) certified (federal or 49-state) engine cannot be used in a vehicle that was originally certified for California.
2. Certification Standards
Make sure the engine and emission control configuration on exhaust - controlled vehicles are certified to the year of the vehicle or newer, and to the same or a more stringent new vehicle certification standard.
3. Classification
Don't mix engine and vehicle classifications which will degrade the emissions certification standards. For example, a heavy-duty engine cannot be installed in a light-duty exhaust-controlled chassis even if they have the same displacement. Non-emissions controlled power plants such as industrial or off-road-use-only engines may not be placed in any exhaust-controlled vehicle.
4. Computer Controls
If a computer-controlled engine is installed in a non-computerized vehicle, the "CHECK ENGINE" light, the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) diagnostic link, and all sensors, switches, and wiring harnesses needed to make the system fully functional must also be installed.
5. Emission Control Configuration
Mixing and matching emission control system components could cause problems and is generally not allowed. Engine and emission control systems must be in an engine-chassis configuration certified by the California Air Resources Board (ARB) or U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The engine must meet or exceed the requirements for the year and class of vehicle in which it is installed.
6. Emission Warranty
Voiding the vehicle manufacturer's emission warranty is not allowed.
7. Engine Modifications
No internal or external engine modifications (cams, pistons, intakes, etc.) may be performed unless the parts are ARB-exempted or EPA-certified for use in the installed engine. Use the database on this site to search for aftermarket parts covered by ARB Executive Orders.
8. Original Equipment
The installed engine and host chassis must retain all of their original emission control equipment. Diesel-to-gasoline conversions must have all gasoline engine and chassis emission control systems installed (such as fillpipe restrictor, catalytic converter and evaporative emission system).
9. Smog Inspection
These vehicles must pass a complete smog inspection (visual, functional, and tailpipe).

[BonzaiCelica]

wait from what i was reading you cannot swap older engines into the celica. so if your saying that mr2 3sgte can be swapped in celica that is wrong.'

2nd gen mr2 were produced until 93. 94-99 spec sw20 mr2 were not made in us becuase they would have to have the 3rd gen 3sgte. which is same reason why us didnt get an alltrac celica for our gen.

[6strngs]

Well this is an old thread. lol. Well, now that I am only weeks away from having a smog license, I can say for sure that no 3sgte swap is going to be legal in a 6gc in california. You would only be able to swap engine's from vehicles same year or newer, and it must be a cali-spec engine (if your car is cali-spec) (no JDM motors...).

Engines do have a little plate with a VIN engraved on them, which the ref will check for to be sure your swap is legal. So basically you will be stuck with 94+ camry and solara V6 swaps only. and they'll have to be 100% stock (or with carb certified aftermarket parts) which is going to be hard when it comes to things like exhausts and intakes which stock ones won't fit... basically california is doing everything in it's power to keep us from having fun.

[Ryouxrs]

Well this is an old thread. lol. Well, now that I am only weeks away from having a smog license, I can say for sure that no 3sgte swap is going to be legal in a 6gc in california. You would only be able to swap engine's from vehicles same year or newer, and it must be a cali-spec engine (if your car is cali-spec) (no JDM motors...).

Engines do have a little plate with a VIN engraved on them, which the ref will check for to be sure your swap is legal. So basically you will be stuck with 94+ camry and solara V6 swaps only. and they'll have to be 100% stock (or with carb certified aftermarket parts) which is going to be hard when it comes to things like exhausts and intakes which stock ones won't fit... basically california is doing everything in it's power to keep us from having fun.

And u wonder why lift no longer exists!? damn political crap if u ask me!!