New HKS air filter., Reloaded. Options

[x_itchy_b_x]

Well i ordered an HKS filter a little while ago, open the box and i was surprised it didnt look like my last hks filter. so i went online to check and see if i got scammed lol. turns out HKS has a new filter on the market.
http://www.hksusa.com/

HKS Racing Suction Reloaded Kits have been developed as the leading intake system for high performance applications. Each kit features aluminum suction pipes that have been tested for optimal air flow. Included in each kit is HKS' Reloaded filter with its patented Super-Funnel and new technical advances:
- Filter cage allows for 30% more intake surface area
- Aluminum back plate for added strength
- Sealing ring reduces contaminants from entering engine
- Dual Density wet filter element

heres pics i took of it. looks like it will filter better than the last one i had.

[presure2]

well, it certainly does LOOK cool as hell john!

[x_itchy_b_x]

haha yeah im sure another "test" marketing ploy will show how bad it is
im just skeptical.

[AllTrac96]

may i ask how much?

[CelicaST202]

wow nice and fake

[x_itchy_b_x]

wow nice and fake

fake? elaborate please.

[lagos]

some of those list for 4-600$ on their site.....WOW. lol thats a hell of a markup.

[doGGy]

Would go with Apexi ANYDAY over the HKS foam type one... Why did you vent with HKS?

[x_itchy_b_x]

Would go with Apexi ANYDAY over the HKS foam type one... Why did you vent with HKS?

actually the only reason i went with the hks design is i believe the built in velocity stack idea works. it pulls air from the sides making it less turbulent, it makes sense to me. i didn't buy it for its filtration properties, other than keeping big rocks out of my turbo i hope it increases spool by maybe 50rpm who knows.

[Consynx]

do a google search, Apexi took the win easily, hks took last (i'm too lazy to go find it...)

i went with HKS for space reasons.

[x_itchy_b_x]

do a google search, Apexi took the win easily, hks took last (i'm too lazy to go find it...)

i went with HKS for space reasons.

thats the "test" i refer to as the marketing ploy. i just dont see that happening.
people who go by that "test" arent any smarter than anyone else they are just listening to the results of some test in japan. im not gonna go buy every intake and go test them to find the real winner with my own test and experiment. i just dont think what a couple of guys did with a vacuum cleaner can accurately test a filter. a flawed test will give flawed results

Are the particles they use the ones we find in the air around us? or just ones they found on the floor after sweeping the garage floor? was the filter designed to actually encounter these particles? how much of the particles were used? did they use 4X as much as would be normally seen in 10 yrs? or what u typically encounter in a yr of driving? did the filter actually hold a certain amount of particles and then they just drowned the filter in more and thats not what the filter is made for. sooo many things to factor in. was the air turbulent? flow is one thing, and clean air is another, but it depends on how they performed the test. Thats why im skeptical. even the guy posting it on the website says it might be a ploy. a giant commercial for apexi because not many people bought there intakes.

[doGGy]

Would go with Apexi ANYDAY over the HKS foam type one... Why did you vent with HKS?

actually the only reason i went with the hks design is i believe the built in velocity stack idea works. it pulls air from the sides making it less turbulent, it makes sense to me. i didn't buy it for its filtration properties, other than keeping big rocks out of my turbo i hope it increases spool by maybe 50rpm who knows.

Apexi has almost the same thing but it "works" differently kinda, inside cone filter there is some sort air directing cone, witch kind of "maximises" not turbulent airflow, its not just the simple Cone filter

As for the filtering element, if you guys where driving in the roads where im driving - you would know why i chose Apexi anyday. With the simple Cone filter (no name somthing) i was getting little dust in my intake pipe every time i check the filter after 1000miles - with the apexi - i aint find any sign of dust even after 5000miles... Its not just the marketing (yea, the test is like more marketing purpose) but its a reality. But when you are going with the turbo aplication - filter, like you said - is more or less used to avoind rocks / birds / cats / kids to be sucked in it ( in your case )

[lagos]

its just a filter. nothing more and nothing less. even the stock paper ones that come with our cars, work fine. the only benefit to the HKS one is the size and the cool look. i just hope it didnt cost a few hundred dollars or anything. even the apexi is an over priced ripoff.

This post has been edited by lagos: Dec 19, 2006 - 2:49 PM

[shin]

its just a filter. nothing more and nothing less. even the stock paper ones that come with our cars, work fine. the only benefit to the HKS one is the size and the cool look. i just hope it didnt cost a few hundred dollars or anything. even the apexi is an over priced ripoff.

actually i think the filter actually does affect performance and not just filtering . i mean a filter all works as filtering dust and dirt etc.. but also affect the amount of air being sucked in. being too restrictive it'll have less amount of air being sucked in... so a good filter not only allows good amount of air being sucked in but also filters good amount of dust, which makes the APEXi filter superior over others. i have both the apexi power intake filter and HKS filter and i personally think the HKS filter allows more air to be sucked in but also more dust as well. APEXi doesn't suck in as much air like HKS but still a good amount, but filters better than HKS.. but yea... both filters are some expensive sh*t..

This post has been edited by shin: Dec 19, 2006 - 3:19 PM

[lagos]

but its still just a filter. they are made to allow air to pass through and trap dirt. almost any filter is big enough to allow more air to flow through it then what your turbo could ever suck in. i dont think it would create any type of bottle neck in your system that slows you down. everything else you read is just marketing to make you think that your getting something more the just foam or cotton when you spend some crazy amount of money on them.

[shin]

but its still just a filter. they are made to allow air to pass through and trap dirt. almost any filter is big enough to allow more air to flow through it then what your turbo could ever suck in. i dont think it would create any type of bottle neck in your system that slows you down. everything else you read is just marketing to make you think that your getting something more the just foam or cotton when you spend some crazy amount of money on them.

wat you said ain't wrong. but why i said wat i said is cause i tried to see how much air are allowed to pass through by using a small fan and try blowing at them and a small strip of paper taped at the outlet to see how much it moves. but everyones got their own opinions on how important a filter is to them. eh.. some people wouldn't even want a filter

[Bitter]

its not just the volume of air that can pass through, its the pressure differential between the atmosphere side and the intake side. a filter with less pressure differential is more aimed towards better performance, but the gains are minimal at best.

[Consynx]

lol, i never really thought of the test that way.

wether or not the air is turbulent or laminar, i do not know, in EITHER case...
i was not using the test as a filtering aspect, as the HKS is supposed to changed anyways. . .
i was refferring mainly to the flow amount.

while yes, the test can still be flawed, because can they simulate it accurately matters, but in this case...i think a basic "how well does it flow x air" will work. the design probably mainly determines the flow characteristics. if they change in designs is enough to make a big difference, iunno. but i think a filter that works the least as a barrier is best...not too worried about filtering

[shin]

yea. that's wat i thought too. i'm more concern bout the turbo being able to suck in enough air than how much dust have been filtered.

[OOBE]

I don't trust those HKS filters. Right now I have an HKS SMF on the Celica and the only good thing it does is sound cool, LOL.

[x_itchy_b_x]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThmW2SW1I-k
paper (oem), guaze (aftermarket), Foam (hks) filter test.

[Consynx]

kewl, but i don't have a hemi

qui q though
is 100cfm a good air flow rate?

and they never covered if that amount of dirt was per w/e time.

and i'm curious how the foam did the best, when in the other test it did worst, and it needs replacing the most.

[x_itchy_b_x]

thats why i say that other "test" is cockamamy.

[Consynx]

isn't this one too?

it's interesting though

IMO a filter is a filter.
you can't really go wrong as long as it comes from a company that makes performance parts + cars.

hks, blitz, apexi...they all have cars that run all their own parts and are amazing...i trust their parts.
but i do believe that certain ones may flow better, and other filter better.
it's probably an inverse relationship, since to filter, there has to be a impedance. . . . . . . . . .. . .i think

also that said it was a 100cfm flow chamber.
that's probably what it is rated to do w/ it's pressure change or however it works, but having something run at a constant power output and trying to different filters and having a maf or something similar connected would be awesome

when's ur sik-o car gonna be done
i've heard about the 264/272 combo, but never known anyone with it.

[Bitter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThmW2SW1I-k
paper (oem), guaze (aftermarket), Foam (hks) filter test.

dear lord, testing done by them can not be objective at all, they SELL AIR FILTERS!!

thats like a cigarette company doing testing on tabacco and finding it to be not harmful....oh wait that spin was spun. i never ever trust anything put out by someone selling a product with a few exceptions. stoptech has great unbiased information about brakes.

[shin]

screw filters. for best airflow and to prevent rocks etc.. use this

[Bitter]

haha, you guys should see what they USED to use for air filters back in the 60's and 70's on beetles and mopeds. i bet some of you old folks know the material i'm talking about...and most of you youngins have no clue