wut can a stock 3s swap hang with???, just wanting to know wut 2 expect... Options

[hashmaster52]

iono if this has already been asked, but how does a 3s swapped celi compare to other cars? could it beat a 5.0 mustang? i heard it was about as fast as an srt4 but iono...thx for any replies.

[playr158]

probably as fast as a stock SRT4
should beat anyform of mustang, minus a cobra (stock)
should be CLOSE w/in .3-.5 seconds to an E46 M3
should be as fast as a STI or WRX..

[hashmaster52]

probably as fast as a stock SRT4
should beat anyform of mustang, minus a cobra (stock)
should be CLOSE w/in .3-.5 seconds to an E46 M3
should be as fast as a STI or WRX..

with wut kind of 3s? (st185, st205, 2nd gen,etc?)

[playr158]

2nd gen should be able to do that list, considering most people w/a 2nd gen swap have a 3" dp and 3" exhaust and a boost controller, they normally don't fall under the "stock" motor catagory to keep up with those cars.

but a 3rd gen should defenitly be able to hold

[hashmaster52]

2nd gen should be able to do that list, considering most people w/a 2nd gen swap have a 3" dp and 3" exhaust and a boost controller, they normally don't fall under the "stock" motor catagory to keep up with those cars.

but a 3rd gen should defenitly be able to hold

so it would run like low 14's high 13's?

[playr158]

jeff ran a 13.9 last year @ 12 or 13psi on an RC185 motor (2nd gen)


and just off topic note...my jetta 1.8t runs 14.3

This post has been edited by playr158: Jan 19, 2007 - 1:55 PM

[hashmaster52]

jeff ran a 13.9 last year @ 12 or 13psi on an RC185 motor (2nd gen)


and just off topic note...my jetta 1.8t runs 14.3

is that the red one that u posted pics of earlier in a different post?

[lagos]

i was just talking about 1/4mile times with someone other other day. i think our 3s swaps are a lot faster then what people have run so far. on another forum, i saw that a 200hp 140tq rsx said he ran a 13.5 on drag tires. if its possible for a car with so little hp and tq to do times like that, then most of our 3s swaps should be in the low 13s (if not better) with drags and a great driver.

[TTE]

I've seen some MR2s runing 13.2 with boost controler and exhaust on 2nd gen, I hope to get into 12s with my 3rd gen.

[lagos]

I've seen some MR2s runing 13.2 with boost controler and exhaust on 2nd gen, I hope to get into 12s with my 3rd gen.

yep, your right. the mid engine, rwd setup, makes a word of difference on street tires

[hashmaster52]

how do u know wut gen it is? is there a 2nd gen and 3rd gen st185? 2nd and 3rd gen st205? im kinda confused

[lagos]

st185 = 2nd gen
st205 = 3rd gen

[hashmaster52]

st185 = 2nd gen
st205 = 3rd gen

THANK YOU! that helps a LOT!!! no more confusion

[playr158]

i don't think a basic 2nd gen swap is really going to net you more then mid 13s..

the mr2 13.2 i think would be attributed to less weight, midship rwd platform
your really not going to start to see low 13s to a 12.9 until you start doing a bit more work to your car, more practice at the strip and better launches

[x_itchy_b_x]

mr2 weigh more than celicas dont they?. atleast i think that, for some reason. i think they do really.... but i could have it the other way around.

[lagos]

i don't think a basic 2nd gen swap is really going to net you more then mid 13s..

the mr2 13.2 i think would be attributed to less weight, midship rwd platform
your really not going to start to see low 13s to a 12.9 until you start doing a bit more work to your car, more practice at the strip and better launches

one other thing to remember.

2nd gen mr2's make about 200hp at the wheels bpu.
2nd gen jdm swap celicas make about 230/240hp/tq bpu (better intercooler and jdm ecu)

so if the mr2 can run a 13.2 with the advantage of mid engine/rwd, then i think a celica could hit that same 1/4 mile with the 30-40hp that it makes over the mr2, and with some slicks and suspension upgrades.


EDIT: something funny came to mind. the owners of the local dyno around here had a really high hp del sol. the car was a beast and i think it did around 500hp? i was talking to the guy and he said that when they took it to the track, it only ran a mid 13. .... so that just goes to show that its not the hp, but the fwd platform that limits you in getting good 1/4 times.

[markie]

sigh.. what can a stock 5sfe keep up with?

a geo metro

[x_itchy_b_x]

sigh.. what can a stock 5sfe keep up with?

a geo metro

all i had on my 5sfe was an intake an it was DEAD even with a mustang 6 cylinder with an intake also.

[HaRv3sTeR]

jeff ran a 13.9 last year @ 12 or 13psi on an RC185 motor (2nd gen)


and just off topic note...my jetta 1.8t runs 14.3

wasnt it a 3rd gen?

[easternpiro1]

may take mine to the strip sunday...will let ya know

[XS4lv1Truch0x]

sigh.. what can a stock 5sfe keep up with?

a geo metro

all i had on my 5sfe was an intake an it was DEAD even with a mustang 6 cylinder with an intake also.

was the mustang automatic?

just curious.

[NgoFcukinWay]

EDIT: something funny came to mind. the owners of the local dyno around here had a really high hp del sol. the car was a beast and i think it did around 500hp? i was talking to the guy and he said that when they took it to the track, it only ran a mid 13. .... so that just goes to show that its not the hp, but the fwd platform that limits you in getting good 1/4 times.

so would converting the Celica to the AWD platform make it perform better in the 1/4? has anyone been able to test this?

[ExSane]

EDIT: something funny came to mind. the owners of the local dyno around here had a really high hp del sol. the car was a beast and i think it did around 500hp? i was talking to the guy and he said that when they took it to the track, it only ran a mid 13. .... so that just goes to show that its not the hp, but the fwd platform that limits you in getting good 1/4 times.

so would converting the Celica to the AWD platform make it perform better in the 1/4? has anyone been able to test this?

As a matter of fact, you will have better traction with AWD. FWD pulls the weight of the car where as RWD would push. (Duh?) But as for AWD does both. So overall yes, it helps big time. I think alot of you guys who own the Celica GT (5SFE) and the MR2 NonTurbo (5S-FE) can tell the difference even though the MR2 weights more than the Celica.

This post has been edited by ExSane: Jan 20, 2007 - 3:39 AM

[Hanyo]

so would converting the Celica to the AWD platform make it perform better in the 1/4? has anyone been able to test this?

why would we need to do the conversion? Why would we need to test it out?

we have REAL gt4 with awd transmission that come with st205 3sgte motors in them stock. They can easily run 14 second quarter miles.

The main thing that slow down front wheel drive cars on the quarter mile is weight.

[6G94celica]

So how about a 2nd gen with FMIC, forged pistons, balanced crank, port and polished, rods, valves, springs, cams, and a greddy turbo also the norm 3" DP and exhaust and a new manifold and bored out to a 2.2. what do yoiu guys think thatll be runin at for hp and wut you think thats gonna hang with. guesses on 1/4 times. i got my speculations but wanna see what you guys think. ohh and light weight flywheel and stage 2 clutch mabye stage 3

[Hanyo]

So how about a 2nd gen with FMIC, forged pistons, balanced crank, port and polished, rods, valves, springs, cams, and a greddy turbo also the norm 3" DP and exhaust and a new manifold and bored out to a 2.2. what do yoiu guys think thatll be runin at for hp and wut you think thats gonna hang with. guesses on 1/4 times. i got my speculations but wanna see what you guys think. ohh and light weight flywheel and stage 2 clutch mabye stage 3

what turbo are you using?

what tires do you have? Suspension? Sea level? Humidity? Transmission?

There are a ton of variables to consider to determine quarter mile times. Little things such as transmission gearing can break or make your set up.

[playr158]

So how about a 2nd gen with FMIC, forged pistons, balanced crank, port and polished, rods, valves, springs, cams, and a greddy turbo also the norm 3" DP and exhaust and a new manifold and bored out to a 2.2. what do yoiu guys think thatll be runin at for hp and wut you think thats gonna hang with. guesses on 1/4 times. i got my speculations but wanna see what you guys think. ohh and light weight flywheel and stage 2 clutch mabye stage 3

ok lets slow down

inorder to get 2.2L you must STROKE the 3sgte and use a 5sfe crank, machined to accept 3sgte rods.
(a stroker kit for the 3sgte ~$2,000)
greddy turbo crapo, go garrett. but what size

your getting yourself into a WHOLE world of variables and you CANNOT speculate on the kind of performance and times it can do...and lol at the idea of using a stage 2 clutch on that kind of motor

you can run with who ever it just depends HOW much money you have, HOW much time you have and WHAT kind of goals you have

before this thread continues, please stop and think logically...

what do i want in a car, how much money do i have, and what is the BEST and most FEASABLE way to achieve that goal....

now this thread should die

[6G94celica]

well the gt tranny wouldnt hold up to taht kind of motor would it so the mr2 turbo tranny unless gt will hold up . mainly that input was just to see what it could do and yes i know i would need the stroker kit if i could find the money i would probably go with the jun auto stroker kit. is the greddy turbo really crap.

[hitcachi]

^ Punctuation?? ^ GT tranny will hold. The S54 has out performed what most all us thought it could actually take.

[easternpiro1]

So how about a 2nd gen with FMIC, forged pistons, balanced crank, port and polished, rods, valves, springs, cams, and a greddy turbo also the norm 3" DP and exhaust and a new manifold and bored out to a 2.2. what do yoiu guys think thatll be runin at for hp and wut you think thats gonna hang with. guesses on 1/4 times. i got my speculations but wanna see what you guys think. ohh and light weight flywheel and stage 2 clutch mabye stage 3

your getting yourself into a WHOLE world of variables and you CANNOT speculate on the kind of performance and times it can do...and lol at the idea of using a stage 2 clutch on that kind of motor

Take his word for it....i found out THE HARD WAY that a stage 2 wont hold up..... i soon have to replace the one i JUST GOT because i didnt know i was running more @ the wheels than what i thought.

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Jan 21, 2007 - 4:45 AM

[playr158]

yes i'm laughing at you, rofl rofl

[lagos]

So how about a 2nd gen with FMIC, forged pistons, balanced crank, port and polished, rods, valves, springs, cams, and a greddy turbo also the norm 3" DP and exhaust and a new manifold and bored out to a 2.2. what do yoiu guys think thatll be runin at for hp and wut you think thats gonna hang with. guesses on 1/4 times. i got my speculations but wanna see what you guys think. ohh and light weight flywheel and stage 2 clutch mabye stage 3

your getting yourself into a WHOLE world of variables and you CANNOT speculate on the kind of performance and times it can do...and lol at the idea of using a stage 2 clutch on that kind of motor

Take his word for it....i found out THE HARD WAY that a stage 2 wont hold up..... i soon have to replace the one i JUST GOT because i didnt know i was running 265hp @ the wheels...

a stage2 should hold the power just fine. yours probably died early from either an incorrect install, or the fact that you probably didnt take the time to break it in correctly.

[easternpiro1]

that may also be VERY true ^^ and i figured dan would be laughing his ass off...
but same thing happened to the clutch i had before that doc installed may need more beef according to the guy there b/c the torque rating was so close the actual torque numbers...

[presure2]

that may also be VERY true ^^ and i figured dan would be laughing his ass off...
but same thing happened to the clutch i had before that doc installed may need more beef according to the guy there b/c the torque rating was so close the actual torque numbers...

i seriously doubt that.
ive been running my ACT street disk and heavy duty PP (rated for 250 ft. lbs.) for a yr and a half, most of that time over the limit of the clutch, or right @ it, with no issues.
IMO 99% of the premature clutch failures you see are from either bad install, or bad break in.

[easternpiro1]

that may also be VERY true ^^ and i figured dan would be laughing his ass off...
but same thing happened to the clutch i had before that doc installed may need more beef according to the guy there b/c the torque rating was so close the actual torque numbers...

i seriously doubt that.
ive been running my ACT street disk and heavy duty PP (rated for 250 ft. lbs.) for a yr and a half, most of that time over the limit of the clutch, or right @ it, with no issues.
IMO 99% of the premature clutch failures you see are from either bad install, or bad break in.

youre probably right, probably didnt break the 2nd one in right. the guy suggested i go with a jdm clutch, starts with an x. forgot what he called it.

[playr158]

xact?

[easternpiro1]

xact?

yeah i think that was it

[NgoFcukinWay]

or exedy? expensive clutches.

[playr158]

exedy = start with E
xact = start with X


jus givin a hard time

[NgoFcukinWay]

exedy = start with E
xact = start with X


jus givin a hard time

only if you spell it out.

[x_itchy_b_x]

XTD? ebay brand

[95CelicaRacer]

Any 2nd gen could beat a SRT4 But someone needs to have some mods done to beat a STi because those things are wicked fast. Trust me, I have a friend that owns one.

[block]

Any 2nd gen could beat a SRT4 But someone needs to have some mods done to beat a STi because those things are wicked fast. Trust me, I have a friend that owns one.

hm...those srt4 are very quick...i've seen some at the track and boy they can really go!...

[alltracman78]

jeff ran a 13.9 last year @ 12 or 13psi on an RC185 motor (2nd gen)


and just off topic note...my jetta 1.8t runs 14.3

wasnt it a 3rd gen?

Nope, he's got a ST185 RC engine in his ST.

[95CelicaRacer]

The reason a 2nd gen celica can beat an srt-4 is because of their all wheel drive. Don't get me wrong, Neons are quick, but their fwd just doesn't cut it on takeoff.

[urbandork]

my list of cars ive out ran or hung with from a 30mph roll on the freeway.

stock sti
moded wrx wagon
moded gti
g35
z350
z28
mustang v8
3.5 camry
supercharged frontier

[hashmaster52]

The reason a 2nd gen celica can beat an srt-4 is because of their all wheel drive. Don't get me wrong, Neons are quick, but their fwd just doesn't cut it on takeoff.

but when u swap the 2nd gen 3s into a 6th gen(non gt4), then its 2 wheel drive.


so the 2wheel drive 6th gen with 2nd gen 3s can beat an srt4 (?) ......both 2 wheel drive

[Bbuck35]

aha i hear ya markie , i got a 7afe... i think the metro would be a good run