RACED A BLACK CELICA!, Uh oh. Options

[Guest_Jason_*]

... and beat the hell out of it.

Go Integra's!

Ok sorry, anyways I was taking my Celica over to a spot amoungst a high-traffic area with a "For Sale" sign on it and had my friend Jared pick me up in his 7th Gen. We eventually headed back to my place so I could pick up my Integra and we were going to go cruise. Jared and I decided to call it a day until later tonight, so I headed for home. Well I pulled up next to a Black Celica (5SPD easily) at the light infront of the Mall which had this dude and another dude sitting there rocking back and forth next to me. The guy had Rims and Exhaust on it, possibly an Intake, and he was revving a little bit, probably to about 3000-3500RPM. I looked over at him and put down my window and said "I have one of those, its that silver one sitting infront of Pearl Vision" and the guy laughs and said "You should keep it", so I had to laugh and rev once to about 6000RPM to allow him to hear something fierce and replied "I should have, but then if I got in a situation like this i'd get it handed to me". So Captain Curageous smiled and said "Its only an Integra, we take them all the time." as soon as the light dropped green, I had the greatest launch with that Clutch i've ever had - not a chirp in the wheels, just straight torque. He stayed with me till about 4000RPM (Spoon Chip gets me to 7500-8000RPM easily) then at the end of 1st Gear I had my whole Integra on him, then as I chirped into 2nd Gear I probably took 2-3 car lengths on him, and then I didn't bother going FT into 3rd - I just headed into a cruise.

I loved my Celica, and I wasn't going to post this, but that guy pissed me off - it made me feel good to finally have power over my Celica, but one thing I won't have again are those looks.

This post has been edited by Jason: Jul 22, 2003 - 4:54 PM

[Inferno]

Hey, man. I'm happy you have power that you need. I don't mind you racing a Celica at all. He seemed like a jerk. I wish you the best of luck in the future. Good to hear from you again.

[Magic]

...I never race Integra Cars and especially ITR with my GT-4,but i like to race them with my brother`s car,its Celica SS-2 JDM with only intake and ignition wires,after my 3rd gear,integras are past,but you shouldnt be proud driving a honda,those cars are not based on original chassis its a thin fake box and when you crash(i hope not happent this to you)with it the chances to get away alive its 1/100.I feel safe with Celicas and i`m not sorry if i dont have Integras from launch
Peace

[boosted_K2]

hehe funny, great story. id love to pit your teg vs my mr2 im getting at the end of the week.

[HyperDeathKill]

Woah magic, I wouldn't going around making assumptions based on general knowledge. But yea, that guys right. You should keep it .

[97sccelica]

QUOTE (Magic @ Jul 22, 2003 - 2:26 PM)

...I never race Integra Cars and especially ITR with my GT-4,but i like to race them with my brother`s car,its Celica SS-2 JDM with only intake and ignition wires,after my 3rd gear,integras are past,but you shouldnt be proud driving a honda,those cars are not based on original chassis its a thin fake box and when you crash(i hope not happent this to you)with it the chances to get away alive its 1/100.I feel safe with Celicas and i`m not sorry if i dont have Integras from launch Peace

the ITR is a force of its own. more HP than a GSR and lighter with a close ratio tranny and lsd.

dont fear it, respect it. i barely respect GSR's but the ITR is different.

oh and all the hondas i have seen get into accidents got really really messed up. one civic i saw got rear ended and the whole part of the car behind the rear wheels got bent up almost 90 degrees.

the tacoma was goin about 30mph

and i hate cocky people. its a good thing that you handed that guys ass to him. btw, do you have that turbo kit installed?

[Guest_Jason_*]

No, the Turbo needs to be rebuilt now. The oil seals are shot and it throws oil like crazy! Boo. But its getting rebuilt and then im going to upgrade the fuel pump and injectors and run about 10PSI for a little while, the car has some body damage I need to deal with. The car itself is white, but i've ordered Black Angel-Eye Altezza Taillights and 1PC Black JDM Projector Headlights, and we are going to primer the car black (then paint it black). Its amazing the amount of aftermarket I have available to me now, its actually pretty sweet. Its actually going to be a real fun project car!!!!

[yep]

do you know if that celica was a gt or st?

[boosted_K2]

ST or GT wouldnt matter, his integra would beat both no question

[97sccelica]

yeah, even the 92 gsr's had a lot more power than a celica GT.

now the turbo kit will really make the car fly

[Guest_Jason_*]

I don't know, it had no badges.

The Integra isn't completely stock, though everything exterior is, inside its got some tweaking. Its got a Short-Ram Intake, Spoon Chip (Redline from 6800RPM to 8000RPM) and a very heavily adjusted Air/Fuel Ratio, to back it all up with an aftermarket exhaust which is almost as quiet as stock. It sounds pretty mean after 4000RPM, its got a nasty roar, i'm trying to get my hands on a new Digital Video Camera.

A few nights ago we were heading home from the Pike and another Integra pulled up and matched my speed at about 75MPH, considering mines just lowered 3-1/2" and everything else is stock, he had a set of rims and taillights (doesn't everyone) and he went FT and then I downshifted into 4th and went FT and gave him some loving, but he gave me thumbs up and I ended up seeing him a few days later and he wanted to know what was done under the hood. In comparison to other teggy's, those few modifications done give this Integra some fight.

This post has been edited by Jason: Jul 22, 2003 - 11:41 PM

[97sccelica]

QUOTE (Jason @ Jul 22, 2003 - 8:51 PM)

I don't know, it had no badges. The Integra isn't completely stock, though everything exterior is, inside its got some tweaking. Its got a Short-Ram Intake, Spoon Chip (Redline from 6800RPM to 8000RPM) and a very heavily adjusted Air/Fuel Ratio, to back it all up with an aftermarket exhaust which is almost as quiet as stock. It sounds pretty mean after 4000RPM, its got a nasty roar, i'm trying to get my hands on a new Digital Video Camera. A few nights ago we were heading home from the Pike and another Integra pulled up and matched my speed at about 75MPH, considering mines just lowered 3-1/2" and everything else is stock, he had a set of rims and taillights (doesn't everyone) and he went FT and then I downshifted into 4th and went FT and gave him some loving, but he gave me thumbs up and I ended up seeing him a few days later and he wanted to know what was done under the hood. In comparison to other teggy's, those few modifications done give this Integra some fight.

sounds like the guy who owned it before you knew what he was doing.

a friend of mine has a stock 94 GSR and it doesnt seem all that fast, sure its faster than my car but for having 65 more HP than my car that is expected, but i guess that chip, short ram, and exhaust help out.

keep the kill stories comming

[Mynzeyes]

if you would have followed on w/ the swap, you would have been able to hand the teg it's ass EASILY. . FYI.

-John-

[Inferno]

John is right.

[ghostdog]

QUOTE (97sccelica @ Jul 22, 2003 - 4:30 PM)

QUOTE (Magic @ Jul 22, 2003 - 2:26 PM) ...I never race Integra Cars and especially ITR with my GT-4,but i like to race them with my brother`s car,its Celica SS-2 JDM with only intake and ignition wires,after my 3rd gear,integras are past the ITR is a force of its own. more HP than a GSR and lighter with a close ratio tranny and lsd. dont fear it, respect it. i barely respect GSR's but the ITR is different.

Respect the ITR? The kid has a GT-4, he most likely doesn't want to waste gas on such a easy kill.

[Four]

QUOTE (Jason @ Jul 22, 2003 - 2:04 PM)

I had the greatest launch with that Clutch i've ever had - not a chirp in the wheels, just straight torque.

an integra with torque, now that i have to see

[97sccelica]

QUOTE (gh0st_d0g @ Jul 23, 2003 - 10:48 AM)

QUOTE (97sccelica @ Jul 22, 2003 - 4:30 PM) QUOTE (Magic @ Jul 22, 2003 - 2:26 PM) ...I never race Integra Cars and especially ITR with my GT-4,but i like to race them with my brother`s car,its Celica SS-2 JDM with only intake and ignition wires,after my 3rd gear,integras are past the ITR is a force of its own. more HP than a GSR and lighter with a close ratio tranny and lsd. dont fear it, respect it. i barely respect GSR's but the ITR is different. Respect the ITR? The kid has a GT-4, he most likely doesn't want to waste gas on such a easy kill.

no offense but you are wrong there, from anything but a dead stop start, the ITR is faster.

it is about 400lbs lighter with 200ish HP and the low 120ish tq.

while the GT4 over powers it, it is a lot heaver and has power robbing AWD

of course that is stock for stock, put a fmic and raise the boost on a GT4 and it will be way faster than the ITR can get with all the bolt on mods(nitrous/turbo would make it faster, but that engine isnt good for turboing)

now the group A GT4 is different, it has i think 30 more HP than a regulare GT4 and is about 100lbs lighter. the group A GT4 is capable of mid to high 13's stock while the regular GT4's are about 1 second slower, matching it up right with the ITR, but again, that is from a dead stop.

[94CelicaRedHatch]

Never had a chance to race another Celica, Ive pulled up to some but the people driving are to much of a Nancy boy to race me

[ghostdog]

QUOTE (97sccelica @ Jul 23, 2003 - 5:36 PM)

no offense but you are wrong there,  from anything but a dead stop start, the ITR is faster. it is about 400lbs lighter with 200ish HP and the low 120ish tq. while the GT4 over powers it, it is a lot heaver and has power robbing AWD

ummm ok. find me a video where a ITR beats a GT-FOUR stock for stock.

the ITR runs low 15s at best in the quarter mile
the GT-FOUR runs mid 13s in the quarter mile

power robbing what? and weight huh?

[Inferno]

Gh0st is right on this one. The ITR doesn't have a hell's chance in beating the GT-Four stock. Hell, I'm not even mentioning the fact that you could turn the boost up beyond normal boost levels and the GT-Four would still be stock because the turbo and engine came from the factory able to do so. I'm not saying you'd have to keep it there for long (which is a bad idea without engine reinforcement). But hell, 5 minutes wouldn't hurt it. On the plus side, the GT-Four has WAY more torque than the pansy Integra Type R. The weight issue is not an issue at all, the torque more than makes up for it. On top of that, you're saying that the AWD robs it of power. I suppose the Integra magically became RWD. Not.

This post has been edited by Inferno: Jul 24, 2003 - 12:56 PM

[BlackSTX]

Yeah, I would think that a GT-4 would kill an ITR accelerating from any speed, not just from a dead stop. All that extra torque and horsepower makes a huge difference at any speed.

[Guest_Matthew_*]

i agree with ghost dog as well because from a DEAD STOP an awd car with 55+hp even if it is 400 lbs. heavier or w/e would make the cars about neck and neck for power to weight

then add in the all traction of the awd and i dunno if you have ever slammed it from the start in a race with a FWD but i have and i dont get much traction and I have an AUTO.

maybe from a 50mph roll or something the ITR would win but not from a dead stop.

on all trac. net if you click on links scroll down to almost the bottom they have some vids of a few cars STOCK VS. STOCK

the ST205 beats

Silvia
Escudo
RX7 Twin Turbo

but then it races a supra and the supra got 13.6 and the GT4 got 13.9

thats stock from a dead stop with stock boost. on the 3s-gte with the ct20b turbo you can raise the boost from 10 to 16psi and it wont even flinch. thats from 255hp to around 300hp. (give or take a few)

show me an ITR that can produce those numbers stock

[Inferno]

Whoo! Go Matt!

[97sccelica]

QUOTE (GT2GT4 @ Jul 24, 2003 - 10:24 AM)

i agree with ghost dog as well because from a DEAD STOP an awd car with 55+hp even if it is 400 lbs. heavier or w/e would make the cars about neck and neck for power to weight then add in the all traction of the awd and i dunno if you have ever slammed it from the start in a race with a FWD but i have and i dont get much traction and I have an AUTO. maybe from a 50mph roll or something the ITR would win but not from a dead stop. on all trac. net if you click on links scroll down to almost the bottom they have some vids of a few cars STOCK VS. STOCK the ST205 beats Silvia Escudo RX7 Twin Turbo but then it races a supra and the supra got 13.6 and the GT4 got 13.9 thats stock from a dead stop with stock boost. on the 3s-gte with the ct20b turbo you can raise the boost from 10 to 16psi and it wont even flinch. thats from 255hp to around 300hp. (give or take a few) show me an ITR that can produce those numbers stock

once again, the GT4 in that video is a Group A GT4. a regular GT4 is only about .4 seconds faster than an ITR

and i did say that from a stop any 6th gen gt4 would beat an ITR due to the AWD and better torque. but from about 25-30mph and up rolling start, thats racing in the ITR's territory.

i have seen all of the videos on alltrac.net, and i have also seen best motoring videos of an ITR keeping up with an RX7 TT on a road track with several straight stretches. i also have a best motoring video of an ITR running a 14.7

i already said that turning up the boost would make it pointless for an ITR to race a GT4, and generally stock means all parts, and engine operations are as they came from the factory. raising the boost is effectively a mod and therefore makes the car not stock

my point is that the ITR is not as slow as many of you seem to think it is. not every race is from a dead stop and not every race is stock vs stock.

[Inferno]

If you're saying not every race is stock versus stock then why did you bring up your opinion that raising the boost isn't stock (even thought it can be done by keeping the engine in the same condition it came from the factory)?

Anyhow, you said you saw the ITR keep up with an RX-7 TT. You never said the ITR beat it.... Onto another point, I'm pleanty sure that the GT-Four's all-wheel drive would help it out more on a road-race than it would in a drag (the only part that it really 'helps' is from the start, I'm sure of it).

[97sccelica]

QUOTE (Inferno @ Jul 24, 2003 - 7:04 PM)

If you're saying not every race is stock versus stock then why did you bring up your opinion that raising the boost isn't stock (even thought it can be done by keeping the engine in the same condition it came from the factory)? Anyhow, you said you saw the ITR keep up with an RX-7 TT. You never said the ITR beat it.... Onto another point, I'm pleanty sure that the GT-Four's all-wheel drive would help it out more on a road-race than it would in a drag (the only part that it really 'helps' is from the start, I'm sure of it).

no my whole point was that the car is not as slow as some think. unless you have driven both cars, try not to pass judgement, too many people stick with one car and look down on all other cars.

and to me, raising boost is a mod, and thats why i said not every race will be stock for stock, i doubt that if a whole gt4 were imported here, or any person that bought a GT4 and knows what they have will keep it stock. im just saying not to take too much pride in one car, no car is perfect

and btw, i said keep up because one kept passing the other, but yes, a GT4 would own most road tracks, which is why i like it, it has good looks and for me driving in a straight line is boring. in a drag race, AWD is only good for the launch, after that it is like dead weight.

[Guest_Matthew_*]

i hate argueing


honestly i have never driven, rode in, or even seen a real integra type R (besides a magazine) and most people here will never do those things too

i'm not putting them down but all in all they are just another Honda.

i am just trying to stand by toyota. (even though i did get a mistu)

[No0bOne]

How about Brake-Boostin? (from a complete stop of course)

[No0bOne]

Oops i forgot somethin, Good kill Jason. Sounds like you're liking your car alot. Have you timed it?

[Magic]

Guys There is NO CHANCE for the ITR event to get close to the GT-4,the ITR needs distance to get the HP to the High RPMs,lets say needs 8000RPM to get at its MAX BHP the GT-4 gets the MAX BHP @ 6500.
And of course,dont compare 2 cars completly defferent. There is no BATTLE.The problem with GT-4 is the aftermarket performance parts,cuz Hondas have everything,but if you have such a beast as a GT-4,what else do you need?

[97sccelica]

QUOTE (No0bOne @ Jul 25, 2003 - 2:46 AM)

How about Brake-Boostin? (from a complete stop of course)

brake boosting? is that like powerbraking? i dont think you can do that in a 5spd AWD car, or to a 5spd FWD car for that matter.

[Inferno]

Bleah, I wasn't trying to argue man. I was just proving a point. I hope there's no hard feelings.

[97sccelica]

QUOTE (Inferno @ Jul 25, 2003 - 10:06 AM)

Bleah, I wasn't trying to argue man. I was just proving a point. I hope there's no hard feelings.

i know, but i thought it was a good discussion

forums would get boring if it was always the same thing over and over.

what engine should i swap in?

try the search

either way, no hard feelings