my car plans, big edit Options

[CelicaST_CALI]

now i have kinda redid my thinking and i thought id get some more input.
EXTERIOR:
-TRD WING*
-BOOMER SIDES*
-C-ONE FRONT**
-404 REAR LIP**
-C-ONE HOOD*
-CURREN TAILS***
-PROJECTORS***
-18" 0r 17" sport max rims

INTERIOR
-PAINTED INSERTS SILVER*
-2 10" ADIOBAHN SUBS**
-SOME KINDA AMP**
-SPARCO RACING SEATS***
-AFTERMAKET HEADUNIT*
-8" SPEAKERS IN THE FRONT SPEAKERS**

PERFORMANCE
-INTERCOOLER**
-FUEL PUMP**
-AIR INTAKE*
-TURBO**
-AND ALL OTHER PARTS NEEDED FOR TURBO(I DONT FEEL LIKE LISTING THEM ALL)**

Now just like before i would like to know what everybody thinks cause i know everybody knows there **** about celicas

*=for sure
**=im not completly sure
***=a dream

This post has been edited by CelicaST_CALI: Jun 28, 2007 - 4:45 PM

[Culpable04]

nice list you got there

you got PM'ed

you still recommended premium gas on a supercharged engine.

[CelicaST_CALI]

ok i dont really know much about engine swaps,as i said i need over 20mpg,150hp+and not premium.Is this all possible?Anyone smell nos:D?

[manphibian]

ok i dont really know much about engine swaps,as i said i need over 20mpg,150hp+and not premium.Is this all possible?Anyone smell nos:D?

I can smell an accident if you go for NOS before you know how to drive properly

[CelicaST_CALI]

i smell im not doing **** to this car until i know how to drive properly.lol,although i must say i do drive well,but right now i dont have all the power i want....lol

[Shocker]

i smell im not doing **** to this car until i know how to drive properly.lol,although i must say i do drive well,but right now i dont have all the power i want....lol

Thats a terrible comment i am now a afraid of you..I do drive well im 15 and i need moore power .......ahhhhhhhhhh run for your lives.
Ill be honest im 19 been driving a good while and id still be terrified driving a 900 hp+ supra

[Jared95]

i wud drive the hell out of a 900 hp supra....no doubt

[Shocker]

i wud drive the hell out of a 900 hp supra....no doubt

idd like to see you go around a couple of turns to in that car..

[CelicaST_CALI]

lol,my bro has a 300hp mustang...lol i dont need a lot of power just over 150 hp.

[Shocker]

lol,my bro has a 300hp mustang...lol i dont need a lot of power just over 150 hp.

i think thats a good obtainable goal and you will be faster than alot of the cars on the road...Im shooting for around 180 with a turbo setup..I will be plenty happy with that.

[CelicaST_CALI]

yea but if u turbo u have to run premium unleaded dont u?An gas $ in cali is like 3:50 for regullar.

[spolski07]

4AGZE is supercharged so you would still run premium... so why not do a 4AGE silvertop 20v?
those are NA and right around 150hp. (I think)

[jason]

get a dsm or a bike if you want to be fast, then keep the celica for its looks, reliability, and economy. to reliably make a good deal of power out of a celica for you to fit your bragging rights needs its going to cost you alot, either at the pump, or doing a swap with a bigger engine, aka a v6 swap. which ever road you choose id advise that you be mature about your decisions, both financially, and also safety for yourself and others, not to mention getting pulled over, getting points and losing your license plus paying out your ass for insurance.

money = speed = tickets = no money = no speed = no tickets

haha someone had that in their sig

[DSToyo]

take it step by step, are you starting with the exterior?, your plans look nice and id like to see how they turn out...are you planning on doing this all yourself?

anyway...the only problem i see with your list is the invader rear, and since you have a coupe its not going to bolt right on iirc, just making sure you're aware of that.....doesnt mean its not possible!
edit: also your trd wing wont bolt right on either iirc. i could be wrong tho

This post has been edited by DSToyo: May 13, 2007 - 6:49 PM

[CelicaST_CALI]

yea thx for all this help guyz.i just got back from sac,and i was thinkin,i dont need a fast car all the time,i think ima just do nos,its illegal im pretty sure?But how do they prove you use it?..i will get mods for my 7A-FE and i wil get around 130 hp am i right?+w/e the nos gives,yea i know that the invader wont fit right,ill have to pay the shop extra.Y wont the TRD wing bolt right?And ill do all the performace and interior stuff my self but i cant do the exterior by myself.

[MercuryFree]

The NOS will give you what, 50HP extra for the small amount of time that it's turned on?

And it'll last for 10-20 seconds and then you'll have to go refill it....$$.

[CelicaST_CALI]

ill only need it when some bitch feels like hes better than me..lol or calles me a rice rocket...And ill cut it off at like 5 seconds,can u do that?How expensive is nos?

[Lovo]

Thats a really immature comment bro, its not safe and it could cost you your life or someone elses. If you plan to rely on this car to be a daily driver, I wouldn't recomend Nitrous, that stuff belongs on the track.

Also painting all of the interior parts is a lot more work than it looks. It'll take you a week or more if you're doing it between work [part-time] and school. I had to do it all minus the hatch trim and it took forever.

[MaskedMan]

Thats a really immature comment bro, its not safe and it could cost you your life or someone elses. If you plan to rely on this car to be a daily driver, I wouldn't recomend Nitrous, that stuff belongs on the track.

Also painting all of the interior parts is a lot more work than it looks. It'll take you a week or more if you're doing it between work [part-time] and school. I had to do it all minus the hatch trim and it took forever.

I agree, this is no place for street racing.

And interior painting is alot of work indeed.

Also the TRD wing wont fit your car becuase you need to get the Curren TRD wing.

[CelicaGT04]

First of all.. good luck on your list.

Second of all you are probably not going to want to get a turbo/supercharged motor in your car if your not going to want to pay the premium gas cost. Although i would love for you to get it.

I think you should look into a 3sge beams(red) with vvt-i seems it can be a good candidate for your engine swap needs and expectancies. It has sufficient power being N/A along with a longer more powerful power band.

Then again this is all just my opinion i mean this is coming from a guy who bought a $2700 2nd gen 3sgte and has yet to put the motor in with no intention to do it any time soon... Although its nice to look at every once in a while

Have fun kid.


EDIT**

I just read all the other comments leading to the "NOS" part of this thread... I was 15 once too, and i am not going to lie, i was looking for the speed car too. I almost bought it for my can MULTIPLE times. But after i researched it more and more, i just knew that it was not for me (not saying its not for you cause it may very well be).

Long story short...

Nos=$500-$600 (roughly for a kit (dry shot)) (10lb bottle)
excitement and fun while it last...

Blown seals/motor=$$$$$

I mean think of it.. your running 130hp and then at the push of a button BAM your motor gets a blast of almost 1/3 of its original HP. Remember that your car is 13 years of age.. almost as old as you. Its only a matter of time before your motor goes CAPOW with Nitrous.

I just think you need to rethink what you want performance wise.. and when you finally figure out what you will be happy with RESEARCH, RESEARCH, and more RESEARCH! Beat the crap out of your brain untill you know it from beginning to end. Of course there will be some blank spots.. but thats why this site is here..

But still have fun kid!

This post has been edited by CelicaGT04: May 13, 2007 - 11:27 PM

[j0e_p3t]

nos definitely does not belong on a dd. its extremely flammable and the more you drive, the more likely you are to get into an accident. especially for inexperienced 16-year-olds. just get a 4age blacktop. or wait till you can afford a turbo/v6 engine or the high gas prices. but other than that, mods look good.

This post has been edited by j0e_p3t: May 13, 2007 - 11:28 PM

[6gsillyca]

Why is your goal 20mpg, 150hp?

You can almost make anything (within reason) 20+ mpg. Direct relationship: heavy foot, more speed/acceleration = more you fill 'er up. Fuel economy and power do NOT go hand in hand. You want one, you sacrafice the other.

As for hp why don't you lighten your car. It would be cheaper/easier to do than an engine swap...You could only have 130-140 hp but with a lighter car, it would have the same effect (hp/lb ratio). Thats why street bikes can only have 100hp but be fast as snot on the road. It's because they only weigh 300lbs...

And no, nos probably won't be your answer. If your only getting it to show "your not a rice rocket" then the $3.50 gas prices should be the least of your worries. Nos isn't cheap to fill. Especially just for bragging rights, not to mention engine problems with an unprepped engine...

[CelicaGT04]

Why is your goal 20mpg, 150hp?

As for hp why don't you lighten your car. It would be cheaper/easier to do than an engine swap...You could only have 130-140 hp but with a lighter car, it would have the same effect (hp/lb ratio). Thats why street bikes can only have 100hp but be fast as snot on the road. It's because they only weigh 300lbs...

If he is trying to go for the "non rice rocket" look, i seriously do not think this is for you. I doubt gutting your car is going to give you much hp unless you GUT IT.. and by that i mean driver seat made out of cardboard and paper floor mats... I mean think of it.. our car is a light weight as it is at i think its 2600lbs (curb) and our car is STILL SLOW!!! lol. So i seriously think unless you want to drive around a metal cart for 10hp extra DONT DO IT! (THIS IS MY OPINION BTW!!) I really do not see the need to gut your car unless you are on the verge of running high 12s low 13s in the 1/4 mile.

I just dont see the need to gut your car 100lbs (if you can gut that much stuff) and still only gain the equivalent of 5HP??? Boggles my mind!

I think you should go for a red top beams!! SEXY!!

[6gsillyca]

No no, I'm not saying it would be the best thing to do, or that he even should do it, but I was just throwing that out there as an option to an engine swap (depending on what he's looking for)...

[MaskedMan]

Also on the NITROUS (not NOS) note, it's recommended that you run Premium gas when using nitrous anyways.

[6strngs]

when I was 15 and 16, when I had my permit and was just getting my license, I thought I was a pretty good driver too. Then I had a couple close calls and I realize now that I'm 10x better now than I was then. and I wouldn't claim to be the world's best driver now either! this really doesn't say alot considering I'm only 17 now, but still.

that said. A turbo ST probably still gets just as good if not better gas milage than a stock GT. if premium is like $.30 more than regular. if you think about it if you put 10 gallons in it's only like $3 more. so you go from $35 fill-up to a $38. I dunno about you, but $3 is worth it to me to have all the power from a turbo.

[spolski07]

130hp?
just swap in a 5SFE
lots of guys are getting 3sgte's into their GT's so look for one on here for cheap!
thats just an idea though
5sfe 135hp/145lb-ft torque (thats what edmunds.com says)

[CelicaST_CALI]

yea im perty sure im not doing nos..I think turboing my ST would be fine.What find of $ would i have to spend to turbo my 7A-FE?Yea thx a lot for all this..i love this site:D.Also y is painting the interior so hard?

[DSToyo]

^ i think it would be almost 3000 maybe more for the turbo setup (if you do it right) as for the interior pieces, if you want it to look good, you have to sand them down a lot and apply a few coats of paint in including primer and clear.

[CelicaST_CALI]

so i should buy the turbo brand new or off ebay or another site?.Also all i have to do is install only the turbo or do i have to buy something else?And i can ride the bus to school i guess when i start moding so it would be no problem if the car doesnt run for a while when i do the interior or the turbo.

[Sinyk]

Where are you as a 15 year old getting the cash for all this? Parents?

[6strngs]

You need alot more than just a turbocharger to tubro a Naturally aspirated car. fuel injectors, fuel pump, intercooler and all associated piping, couplers, and clamps, blow off vlave, gauges, custom oil lines, etc. it'll probably cost between $2,000-$3,000 for everything. I've spent about $1600 so far towards my turbo and I estimate another $600-700 more left to buy! but even though that's pretty expensive, it's still cheaper than an engine swap.

also, don't bother with a 5sfe swap. It'll be just as difficult as a 3sgte swap but won't give you near the same amount of gains. it's alot of time and money to be spent for an engine with only like 20 more hp than a 7afe. If the 5sfe was so great, people wouldn't be swapping them for 3sgte's!

[MercuryFree]

How expensive is nos?

Off the top of my head, it's $3.20 USD/lb, and when you're using it you're going through like 1lb/second.

Also y is painting the interior so hard?

All else aside, think how long it's gonna take to strip everything out , and then put it back together when you're done

This post has been edited by MercuryFree: May 14, 2007 - 3:21 PM

[6strngs]

if you are painting all of your interior, like the dash, center console, etc. then it will be hard and take a while.

but, if you're referring to just painting the trim around the cd player and door handle trim and stuff, which is what I think you're refering to, it won't be that hard. from what I hear the hardest part is getting the paint to stick. so you either ruff it up some with sand-paper, or you can buy some krylon paint made for plastic which I think some people have used with good results.

This post has been edited by 6strngs: May 14, 2007 - 3:34 PM

[purplegt4]

Learn to know your car and how she drives. You'd be a better driver if you didn't feel the need for more power. You could probably hang with your friends in their faster cars with that celica. The speed limit is 55 on the highway Don't speed.


If something isn't not broken don't fix it. When something does break, upgrade Doing so will save you money in case a water pump blows or starter needs replacing. She is 13 years old.

[6strngs]

Learn to know your car and how she drives. You'd be a better driver if you didn't feel the need for more power. You could probably hang with your friends in their faster cars with that celica. The speed limit is 55 on the highway Don't speed.


If something isn't not broken don't fix it. When something does break, upgrade Doing so will save you money in case a water pump blows or starter needs replacing. She is 13 years old.

actually, around here (and I live in the scaramento area) speed limit on the freeway is 65. but to keep up with the flow of traffic you need to go at least 75. unless there is traffic (and there usually is). then you go between 5 and 20 mph. woot!

[CelicaST_CALI]

lol sos o true about sac,im actually east of sac not in it. And the answer to the $ question is im just going to save for a while.i have 1000$ right now.I think ill drive the car normal and stock for about a year then start.So if i want to turbo my 7A-FE what are all the things i will need?Its all stock right now.Nos is out its to dangerous and expensive.And all i want to do is take the trim out not the whole thing.

[6strngs]

lol sos o true about sac,im actually east of sac not in it. And the answer to the $ question is im just going to save for a while.i have 1000$ right now.I think ill drive the car normal and stock for about a year then start.So if i want to turbo my 7A-FE what are all the things i will need?Its all stock right now.Nos is out its to dangerous and expensive.And all i want to do is take the trim out not the whole thing.

I'm not very familiar with how to turbo a 7A. but you should start here: http://www.6gc.net/index.php?action=howto&itu=128

this is not a small project, mind you, I've been searching for parts, talking to people, and asking questions for months and I'm still not done... but I'm close

[Shocker]

True that about going turbo..
I have everything neccesary to turbo my st..
And after I helped turbo a freinds Celica. I noticed that all my turbo stuff has been sitting in the garage collecting dust just because i dont want to spend the time doing it..
But definatly expect to spend at least 3000..and thats going cheap on some parts..But do not go cheap on your turbo..and stay away from ssautochrome and their garbage..

[CelicaST_CALI]

can someone give me a list of ever part ima need to buy to turbo my completly stock7A-FE?And whats the rough hp gain ima get with a turbo?

This post has been edited by CelicaST_CALI: May 14, 2007 - 10:18 PM

[6strngs]

you're going to have to do a ton of research. I already posted one link. here's another with some useful info and to give a better idea of what you'd be getting yourself into. http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...p;hl=7afe+turbo

[CelicaST_CALI]

yea i will i printed 30 pages from the thread thx a lot for the info!!!

[Shocker]

can someone give me a list of ever part ima need to buy to turbo my completly stock7A-FE?And whats the rough hp gain ima get with a turbo?

I would give you a list but its entirely to long and truley you need to Learn this stuff on your own a do a little bit of research so you will know what part does what.
Once you compile a list oft things you need on your own.
I will be more than happy to add things that you are missing.
And Expect to see around 60 to 70 hp gains depending on your parts you buy and
if your gonna run a safe boot level.

[CelicaST_CALI]

ok so a turbo is continualy working right?I cant turn it off or on or change the power?ALso i will start a list tonight i guess and start looking.

[6strngs]

ok so a turbo is continualy working right?I cant turn it off or on or change the power?ALso i will start a list tonight i guess and start looking.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm

[CelicaST_CALI]

o thx thats a lot of help!!

[nate95]

hahah, this is a fun post! NOT. someone has ALOT to learn before they do anything with turboing the 7afe.. but no, you cant just turn a turbo off, but yes you can adjust the power up or down with a boost controller. on the 7afe you have to be very carful with the amount of boost you run, and the amount of fuel mixture with it, other wise BOOM.

[Shocker]

hahah, this is a fun post! NOT. someone has ALOT to learn before they do anything with turboing the 7afe.. but no, you cant just turn a turbo off, but yes you can adjust the power up or down with a boost controller. on the 7afe you have to be very carful with the amount of boost you run, and the amount of fuel mixture with it, other wise BOOM.

Whee ask nate about his old 7afe..Haha

Fun times Fun times..You owe me a 90* coupler

[nate95]

haha, ya im trying to help him out by talking to him on aol

[CelicaST_CALI]

Any more ideas,or suggestions.

[playr158]

LOLS turbo off hahahaha thats great!

but look in the stickies all the information on turboing a 7afe is in there

[NapTown94]

I am in the same boat you are. Be sure you know how much power you want first. In my Celica I would be happy with 180 hp and an ECU remap. I have pushed my Celica literally to its limits, I blew the last motor by driving it too hard, I've thrown it around corners doing 45 or 50 mph. Just find out how much your Celica can actually do before you go modifying it. Think also, You throw a large amount of horsepower into a super-light car like the Celi, it won't be easy to control. NOS = not a good idea. If you MUST use nos, only use a 50 shot, to save from immense damage. Good luck down the road. But yeah, the forums are a great place to get info, I've learned tons just from them

[CelicaST_CALI]

Yes nos is out of the picture for sure.ANd yea i ahve driven the celica pretty hard,the fasted ive gone in my celica was 95 awhile back:D.And yea i have learn more stuff on this website than anyother!

[spolski07]

Yes nos is out of the picture for sure.ANd yea i ahve driven the celica pretty hard,the fasted ive gone in my celica was 95 awhile back:D.And yea i have learn more stuff on this website than anyother!

is that fast in a ST?

[CelicaST_CALI]

lol i guess i think max is about 130 in a ST

[95CelicaST]

lol i guess i think max is about 130 in a ST

try between 115-120. Then you hit the cutoff.

[CelicaST_CALI]

yea i knew it was around there.i Guess gt is 130-150

This post has been edited by CelicaST_CALI: May 31, 2007 - 12:31 PM

[6strngs]

yea i knew it was around there.i Guess gt is 130-150

gear ratios are really short. I believe you'd be redlining 5th gear at 128 mph. of course, you could take it a bit past redline to reach like 135 or so...

[CelicaST_CALI]

OK thought i would restart this

[LeonStryfe]

Take it easy and do it one at a time. Having a car for a hobby requires patience and a lot of money. Unless you have "a lot of money" then you rid yourself of patience and do it all at once. Regardless, concentrate on one part of the car at a time, whether it be looks, performance etc.

[CelicaST_CALI]

yea i figure ill piece the exterior,interior,then performance.I think ill buy all my turbo stuff over like 2 years.Im going to get the body kit from boosted6g,trd wing from wicked bodies,and turbo stuff off 6gc and ebay.But i am planning on my car being finished in around 4 years..

[LeonStryfe]

yea i figure ill piece the exterior,interior,then performance.I think ill buy all my turbo stuff over like 2 years.Im going to get the body kit from boosted6g,trd wing from wicked bodies,and turbo stuff off 6gc and ebay.But i am planning on my car being finished in around 4 years..

yea it really takes time. I got my kit from boosted too. Im done with my exterior mods so im now going for my 5sfte project.

I got my kit like a year and a half ago and I was only able to install it now. Fitting regardless of who you buy it from is a pita.

[CelicaST_CALI]

yea im pretty sure im going to just stick with the 7a-fe,i dont wanna have to go throught the hassle of a new engine,tranny and just about everything,its to much money to spend on a car in my opinion.

[NaderG]

Premium isnt that big of a problem , if your car with a turbo gets above 20 mpg , the 12 or 14 galls of gas in your tank would go for about 300 miles , difference between a fillup of regular and premium is like 5 bucks max ! ... i dont see the problem ...

[CelicaST_CALI]

Premium isnt that big of a problem , if your car with a turbo gets above 20 mpg , the 12 or 14 galls of gas in your tank would go for about 300 miles , difference between a fillup of regular and premium is like 5 bucks max ! ... i dont see the problem ...

Yea its not even that,where i live plus premium is only .10$ higher ,so every time i get 10 gallons its a extra 1$ ever 100 gallons is 10$,i think ill pay...lol,i dont think the gas milage will be 20mpg?will it?i mena it depends o the psi im running right?

This post has been edited by CelicaST_CALI: Jun 28, 2007 - 4:48 PM

[95CelicaST]

It depends on how much you boost. I mean, the way it was explained to me is that - you can swap in a different engine (say 4AGE) and still get outstanding gas mileage.... it all depends on how much you push that right-foot down.

On a Turbo engine you can get great gas mileage if you don't boost often, but wheres the fun in that?

[NaderG]

i dont know much about turbo or boost but i am sure i read somewhere that if you actually run your turbo on low boost , it might acutally improve your gas milage

[CelicaST_CALI]

Well how much would a 4AGE swap be?And y do u get better mpg with a bigger engine.But yea i was talking to my bro yesterday and hes covinced about turboing or nos.And im nodoing nos.But how much are all the basic engine swaps for the 6gc and wat hp are they?