what i have noticed with neon strut bar Options

[95st-celica]

well, i just recently bought a neon strut bar off of ebay...came to like $18 and wasnt to happy with it when i first got it because i had to pre fab my own 3 holes...none lined up at all....but anyway i got it taken care of and it fit nice and snug....it's actually quite nice and it looks good in the engine bay.....anyway...after puttin it on and driving around with it for a while now i noticed the car is much tighter...so much that i cant take turns as fast as i use to because my @ss end is kickin out...never noticed this before i put it in.....so now im thinkin do i take it back out because it was better with it out and i could stay into the turn?? or do i get either a rear sway bar or a rear strut bar to cancle the front one out.....has anyone noticed or fixed this problem who has had one of these strut bars put in may it be a trd front strut bar or just a regular neon one?? im defentally gettin somethin in the @ss end but would a sway bar be too much or can a rear strut bar fix the problem? also where to go to get a rear strut bar if that is the case? i had a big bag of sement put in the back of my car too and that help fix the problem with the extra weight back there but i dont want to lug that around with me all the time...any sugestions? thanks

[95CelicaST]

Your car is FWD. A bag of cement isn't going to do you a bit of good. Your back end does not swing out - again because you are FWD and the back wheels don't do anything except roll. My suggestion to get a rear sway bar to handle your snap oversteer problem.

[j0e_p3t]

oversteer on fwd? hmm... maybe your rear tires are just going bad?anywho, i didn't notice jack with my neon strut bar. but i got it for free so it was worth every penny. but the 3-point rear strut bar i got from defgeph works great. and it isn't stupidly overpriced too.

This post has been edited by j0e_p3t: Aug 30, 2007 - 12:42 AM

[xs94st]

omg. u actually resorted to using a bag of cement. lol.

x2 with what joe said. if your back tires are runnin bad, its a possibility that they are jus slipping because of the lack of traction. check your tires n then report back. if its still bad, then you might want to look into a rear strut brace and/or sway bar

[95st-celica]

Your car is FWD. A bag of cement isn't going to do you a bit of good. Your back end does not swing out - again because you are FWD and the back wheels don't do anything except roll. My suggestion to get a rear sway bar to handle your snap oversteer problem.

the cement actually did help...it puts more weight on the rear tires therfore giving me better traction...my rear tires are about 50% but i doubt very much thats the problem.....if you go and put 150-200 extra pounds in the back of your car and go take some turns at high speed i garentee you'll notice a differnce with and with out it....its the same concept with slot cars...remeber when you were a kid and had the little tracks and the slot cars?? they were all front wheel drive and you couldn't full throtle through the turns...why?? simply because the @ss end would kick out and it would roll off the track.....it's basically the same thing just in a larger scale....im going to buy a rear 3 point if i can find one for cheap and i'll let you know if it makes a difference

[LewFX]

I went from none to neon to c-one...c-one pwns all

[MaskedMan]

You can probably take turns better with more weight in your car becuase your car is going slower haha jk.

I went from none to neon to c-one...c-one pwns all

Oh and where did you get your C-one from?

[LewFX]

former celica owner "toyceli8"

[purplegt4]

you probably feel like you're losing control because you've got more b@lls to actually take a turn hard. i wonder how u'd react to the difference that sway bars make. lol don't crash now.

[95st-celica]

you probably feel like you're losing control because you've got more b@lls to actually take a turn hard. i wonder how u'd react to the difference that sway bars make. lol don't crash now.

haha i can just imagine...but no im tellin you's i use to be able to take the parkway on ramp to the Alantic
city expressy way at no lie 75 and hold my foot to the floor and the car ate the turn like nothin....now with this strut bar im so scared caus i can litterly start to feel the ass end roll out from underneath me at like 60-65....i have to do somethin about it soon caus i love takin turns at high speeds....lol....im thinkin about the rear strut bar caus if the front one made that much of a difference then the back one should canle it out and it should be back to normal if not 100% better then stock...i'll update when i get it

[1bwilson]

If you honestly feel that the bag of cement is going to do alot better then just getting rid of your lead foot I would encourage any passangers of yours to ware a helmet and safty harness. Taking turns at a high speed is not a smart idea in itself, 75 mph is just stupid. Hopefully your "ass end roll out" is more in your head then actually happening but if/when you do lose control on your 50% tread tires I hope you land safely upright and seatbelted.

[xs94st]

are these turns you're taking on the freeway?

if they are street n ur trynta take turns at about 50-60mph ur ass is gonna slide. if on the freeway n its slidin out, then you got a prob.

if ur doin it on the street, this aint no fast n furious. i've known 5 people to total 8 cars cuz they drive like idiots on the street. all of em are rich n mummy daddy bought em new ones.

jus cuz u can go fast doesn't always mean you should.

maybe this ass rollin out is just a sign for you to slow the hell down.

[95st-celica]

If you honestly feel that the bag of cement is going to do alot better then just getting rid of your lead foot I would encourage any passangers of yours to ware a helmet and safty harness. Taking turns at a high speed is not a smart idea in itself, 75 mph is just stupid. Hopefully your "ass end roll out" is more in your head then actually happening but if/when you do lose control on your 50% tread tires I hope you land safely upright and seatbelted.

Let me get somethin straight with everyone on this forum....my intentions are not to brag about how fast i am going but i thought the whole concept of this forum was to ask question and get somewhat educated answers....i always wear my seatbelt and my passengers ALWAYS do also...that is completely irrelavent to the problem at hand....ok so im doin 10 mph over the speed limit...dont tell me you have never gone 10 mph over the speed limit....if you read your license book before you took your test for your license you would have read that the on and off ramps are suggested speed limits due to trucks unable to go around them as fast as a car....if the car can handle it and theres noone around then why not?....now to answer your smart ass remark about it being in my head...its not my fault if i can handle a car better then you.....im not retarded and unable to tell that my car is starting to lose control.....the problem is that it wont handle as good as it use to......when you can come up wit a more inteligent answer to solve the problem like many others have above you then post back....thanks for the concern though

are these turns you're taking on the freeway?

if they are street n ur trynta take turns at about 50-60mph ur ass is gonna slide. if on the freeway n its slidin out, then you got a prob.

if ur doin it on the street, this aint no fast n furious. i've known 5 people to total 8 cars cuz they drive like idiots on the street. all of em are rich n mummy daddy bought em new ones.

jus cuz u can go fast doesn't always mean you should.

maybe this ass rollin out is just a sign for you to slow the hell down.

now to answer your questions, yes they are on the freeway....no im not the asshole ricer that fly's around every single turn that i make to show off how cool i am..i agree with you when you say its stupid but its also dangerous....the only place i really "put it to the test" is commin onto the freeway or if its an off ramp onto another freeway where i still have a safe amount of room to do so.....nd i dont know what to tell you about your rich friends...there parents are just smacked asses......any suggestons to fix the problem would be greatly appreciated.....im still feelin the rear strut bar is the best way to go

[playr158]

lmao @ a bag of cement. all you did was make your car slower, you didn't increase handling abilities..
WEIGHT is something you SHAVE to increase the ability of a car to handle...physics 101 inertia > you

your car isn't tight enough from a neon bar to make the butt come out....
it would actually make your FRONT slide out more...NOT your rear.
(FYI a ebay neon bar doesn't really do jack, they aren't stuff and flex a decent amount under pressure)

you just have a poor setup resulting in poor car feed back.

what tires are you running?
what are your tire pressures at?
when was the last time you got an alignment?

This post has been edited by playr158: Sep 5, 2007 - 10:30 PM

[1bwilson]

Im sorry I insaulted your inteligent idea of adding a bag on cement to the trunk of your car in order to help with stability. Your right, it was a brilliant idea and im just upset I that I was fooled for so many years that I had to do real modifications to my car to get resaults like that. Please, dont let me get in the way of you spreading the word of the power of cement. I dont want to step on your toes but maybe if you put bricks under your hood it would help with the understeer also. Just a thought.

[94celigts]

If you think it is that much worse, why dont you take off the 20$ neon bar and leave it at that. Once you purchase the rear strut bar, an actual one, not some shower curtain adjustable bar or something, the A** end of the car will be good, and you'll find yourself wanting a new front strut bar.

IMHO im not trying to rag on you, but do it all right the first time, in my experience it'll save you money and headaches in the long run.

[95st-celica]

lmao @ a bag of cement. all you did was make your car slower, you didn't increase handling abilities..
WEIGHT is something you SHAVE to increase the ability of a car to handle...physics 101 inertia > you

your car isn't tight enough from a neon bar to make the butt come out....
it would actually make your FRONT slide out more...NOT your rear.
(FYI a ebay neon bar doesn't really do jack, they aren't stuff and flex a decent amount under pressure)

you just have a poor setup resulting in poor car feed back.

what tires are you running?
what are your tire pressures at?
when was the last time you got an alignment?

lol this dude^^ im not worried about my car being a tenth slower because i have extra weight in the back....all celicas are slow unless its a gt4 or you have tons of money dumped into them...i have came to this conclusion a long time ago....your making an ass out of your self when you say extra weight doesnt help....lets step out of the import feild for a second and go to muscle cars....i know everyone who owns a muscle car makes sure that they have a bare minium of weight in the ass end of the car..NOT...you want as much weight back there as possiable untill you hook up and are able to launch....for instance an el camino...with just the bed a elcamino will never be able to hook up...the tires are just gonna spin caus theres absoulty nothin back there to keep them from grabbin....so what do you do?? welln your case you would take the tail gate off...tail lights and anything else you could prolly find...which blows my mind....in my case i would want to throw a couple hundred pounds of cement, 1/4 " sheet metal....anything that has some weight to it so my tires can grab....i can understand the concept of shaving weight to go faster but your not gonna go anywhere if your tires dont hook up...not a mater of inertia bud...more of a matter of common sense....why do you think go-carts handle so good? caus they have no weight in the back? there 1" off the ground and there ass end doesnt swing out caus they have a 100+ rider sittin on it plus the weight over top the wheels from the engine...imangine a gocart with no rider and the engine being in the front....and its remote control....try takin in around a turn as fast as you would if you were drivin it and come back and tell me your results...my point exactly

Im sorry I insaulted your inteligent idea of adding a bag on cement to the trunk of your car in order to help with stability. Your right, it was a brilliant idea and im just upset I that I was fooled for so many years that I had to do real modifications to my car to get resaults like that. Please, dont let me get in the way of you spreading the word of the power of cement. I dont want to step on your toes but maybe if you put bricks under your hood it would help with the understeer also. Just a thought.

I dont recall saying it was an inteligent idea but it was an equalizer and more so it actually worked....do some homework befor you give me a smart ass remark.

[94celigts]

lol this dude^^ im not worried about my car being a tenth slower because i have extra weight in the back....all celicas are slow unless its a gt4 or you have tons of money dumped into them...i have came to this conclusion a long time ago....your making an ass out of your self when you say extra weight doesnt help....lets step out of the import feild for a second and go to muscle cars....i know everyone who owns a muscle car makes sure that they have a bare minium of weight in the ass end of the car..NOT...you want as much weight back there as possiable untill you hook up and are able to launch....for instance an el camino...with just the bed a elcamino will never be able to hook up...the tires are just gonna spin caus theres absoulty nothin back there to keep them from grabbin....so what do you do?? welln your case you would take the tail gate off...tail lights and anything else you could prolly find...which blows my mind....in my case i would want to throw a couple hundred pounds of cement, 1/4 " sheet metal....anything that has some weight to it so my tires can grab....i can understand the concept of shaving weight to go faster but your not gonna go anywhere if your tires dont hook up...not a mater of inertia bud...more of a matter of common sense....why do you think go-carts handle so good? caus they have no weight in the back? there 1" off the ground and there ass end doesnt swing out caus they have a 100+ rider sittin on it plus the weight over top the wheels from the engine...imangine a gocart with no rider and the engine being in the front....and its remote control....try takin in around a turn as fast as you would if you were drivin it and come back and tell me your results...my point exactly

I dont know if you forgot our cars are FWD and the weight is over the front wheels, the engine, putting extra weight in a FWD car's trunk does not do much for you like he said you probably should look into upgrading wheels and tires or using proper tire pressure if you want to gain some traction. Or like i said take the neon bar back off and go have fun like you did before. Save up and buy proper suspension accessories.

[1bwilson]

You realize you started this thread asking for suggestions and since then have shot down and belittled anyone actually trying to help you out. The simple fact is that strut bar isnt helping you or hurting you. Your driving is, you drive to fast and take turns way to fast. 75 mph might not be a insane speed to drive at on a freeway with everyone else but your claiming to do that speed on ramps leading any one of us to believe your doing much more then that on a straight road. You havent been on this site long enough to realize that some of these people offering help are actually trying to help. Others just think your cement idea is a good way to get our daily laugh in. If your actually THAT concerned with the way your car is taking turns you would have spent the real cash for a real strut bar. Sway bars and a rear strut bar will help also but no matter how stable you make you car, unless you pair it all up with a decent spring/shock settup and good tires, something is going to give when you take turns at 75mph. If your not willing to take suggestions then dont bother asking for them.

[95st-celica]

i can defintally understand the fact that i have no suspension upgrades and that would help a lot but im talking about the fact of just strictly more traction...which in turn gives you better handeling abilities..am i right or am i worng? i do understand that the cars are front wheel drive....my options are simple...lower the tire pressure in the rear tires...which may help a little...add a strut bar and see if that helps...or as you suggested just take it back off....they obviously do SOMETHING if im noticing such a dramatic change in the way my car performs...so who ever put one in and said they dont do **** hasnt taken there car to a track to test it...just my oppinion but i appreciate your ideas, and im not just tryin to be a smart ass...im just tryin to fix the problem