Holy crap..its finally starting Options

[BigRog95]

Well guys, just dropped off my 89 celica GT-S with one of my friends dad who specializes in Toyotas, cars and trucks. He's going to be doing this engine swap for me. So tomorrow i'm going to see him and he's going to tell me what we need to get out of my 89 celica to put the 3SGTE engine out of it, and put it in my 95 celica. I know I already need the wiring harness, engine (of course), and the GT brackets...

I'm really excited, i'm going to drop my 95 celica off with him tomorrow and he told me he should have the swap complete by Monday, so i'm wicked excited about it. I'm going to go help him sometime this weekend when i'm not hanging out with my gf.

I'll post some pictures sometime this weekend and keep ya'll updated..

Were all of you guys this excited when you knew your plan was finally becoming reality..I'm really excited about it..

[Jared95]

you should back out of the swap....and sell me the 3s

This post has been edited by Jared95: Oct 25, 2007 - 10:34 PM

[BigRog95]

haha No thanks. I'm fully going through with this swap. I'm really excited about it..i'm hoping I get it right the first time so we don't have to take it back apart and try to fix anything that we didn't get the first time..so..lets hope it all goes good

[Jared95]

yeah post some pics when u get the chance...and u might wanna get this moved to forced induction ?

This post has been edited by Jared95: Oct 25, 2007 - 10:57 PM

[BigRog95]

yeah, wasn't to sure where to post it...

I checked the sticky about doing this swap, and it was listing a bunch of crap i'd need to change..but if I have the whole car, I really won't need to change anything eh?

Also, I have an ST tranny in my 95..will this screw my car up if I don't change it? Because I have the GT-S tranny that came on the car, but I don't want to put it on if I don't have too..

[BigRog95]

Well guys ,going today to my buddies dads shop to see if he can get it done this weekend, then we'll hopefully start it today..

If we start it today I'll get some pics..

Also quick question, if I just keep my stocked clutch and flywheel, will that be a problem..or will it run fine for a while until I can save up some cash to get a new clutch...

[spolski07]

i dont think your transmission from your st will work

[Jared95]

yeah me either hope your not planning on using stock ST tranny for that 3sgte? correct me if im wrong thougH?

[lagos]

your lack of research and thinking your going to be done in a weekend, is going to come back to haunt you.

[BigRog95]

I have the GT-S tranny that came with the GT-S when I bought it , and I was planning on using that...I know the ST won't work, thats why the 89 kept breaking axles because it had a ST tranny..

But what about a GT-S trany?

I got some pics of us beginning to take apart the 3SGTE, but i'll post them later.

[stetsonaw]

thought you were selling the 95 and heading to the sandbox

[BigRog95]

Yeah,they aren't making me go...although I want to go..but they're saying I can't, because i'm the only one around this area that has my MOS , so..yeah...I got the shaft.

[jcaron9gt4]

correct me if im wrong guys, but the GT-S tranny should be the same tranny as the GT, which will work fine.

[BigRog95]

Yeah, thats what I was thinking as well....And i found out what was wrong with my GT-S tranny, its not synchronizing in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd..so i'm going to try and use my ST tranny, just not race it, until I can find some place where I can buy a synchronizer.

Anyways, here are the pics from Friday night, and Today...Hopefully the car should be complete by Wednesday at the latest.











That rust thats leading from the left side of the turbo is going to be sand blasted, along with a lot of the engine components and get the engine polished and looking pretty good.

[Fate]

ST (7AFE) tranny won't bolt up sorry to burst the bubble. you need a s-series tranny example:GT tranny (5SFE). who's doing your wireing when you get the harness? what made you decide on a 1st gen 3sgte? have you done research because there is plenty of information covering this? sadly i agree with lagos but i wouldn't mind to be proven wrong. good luck.

[Culpable04]

how much money are you losing .. I mean putting into this ?


the first gen 3sgte barely has 200 hp at crank, and that's on a healthy engine, so after you're done ( if they can get it to work properly for you ) you'll have ~ 170 hp at the wheels ( assuming the engine is healthy ) the 3sgte will not work with a ST tranny ( I said it again, I know ) you're dropping an almost 20 years old motor in your car, which is not being rebuilt before swap.

I don't know much about swaps and even I know that set-up will get you nowhere.

don't take our comments as hating, is just that we know is not gonna work like that, and to make it work you'll spend money that you haven't planned to spend and then you won't be happy with the results ( power / cost ratio ) . Some members have made the same mistake you're about to make, just do a search and read on some swaps and see what kind of problems people have. organize your ideas do the job the proper way. Everyone here loves a 3SGTE powered celi, but we wanna see a happy owner with a properly working car, not a big headache that will disappoint you and make you hate your car.

[BigRog95]

I appreciate the feedback guys - really do. Helped me a lot today. And I decided just to upgrade my 7A-FE engine into a 7A-FTE engine , I have all the parts I need to upgrade it to a Turbo engine...so...I'm going to do that instead, and make it a good show car / race car..

Pretty excited...And today, got the engine out of the 89 celica , and took the turbo out and began to sand blast away. Looks a lot better, i'll take some pics tomorrow of the after effect of the sand blasting.

Thanks again guys - I really appreciate the "hate" haha just playin. Really helped!

[jcaron9gt4]

umm...what are u planning of using from it?

[BigRog95]

Pretty much the turbo, intercooler, and I have a friend who can bend piping and all that crap. He also said we might need the pistons too, but I was reading the "Turbo your 7A-FE" sticky and I pretty much have everything I need to turbo charge my 7a-fe

[kerosene]

you sure change your mind a lot

[BigRog95]

haha yeah, but you guys were right. that isn't the right gen. of the 3sgte engine I need. so I might as well make the best of it..and turbo charge my 95. lol

[bccentaur3]

I'm glad you're going to 7AFTE route. I personally thought you jumped into the whole 3s swap thing pretty fast. I mean doing the swap in a weekend plus a couple of days for your first time is pretty damn insane. Oh yeah don't forget pics of the turbo build.

[BigRog95]

yeah, i'm overall pretty happy with my decision to just go the 7afte route as well. I'm just going to make it a good show car, but can also race if need be.

yeah i'm going back to my buddies house tomorrow to finish sand blasting the rest of it, and hoping to get the turbo added by this weekend. Can't wait to get it running!

I'm diong little by little to my car. Took all the inserts on the dash out, and painted those blue, and they look pretty sick. Match my blue reverse gages, and my blue cd player. So i'm really excited about this.

[jcaron9gt4]

wait, your using the intercooler from the 3sgte?....i hope thats not what you meant

[kerosene]

wait, your using the intercooler from the 3sgte?....i hope thats not what you meant

not exactly sure if he knows what he means

[BigRog95]

no no no. lol

my friend has a Blitz intercooler that he no longer uses on his 96 celica , so he's going to let me use it until I can scrape up some cash to buy my own..lol



This post has been edited by BigRog95: Oct 29, 2007 - 7:26 AM

[jason]

i almost pissed myself with arts post. good luck with the swap and i think you should sloooooooow down n read up on in detail on turbo engines to the point where your a nerd so you arent som loser whos always spinnin bearings or poppin head gaskets & tourchin pistons n all that fun stuff

on a lighter note, i hope everything goes well and i hope you post alot on here with your progress and the different routes you choose to take with whatever setup you plan to go ahead on, most people will be dicks when correcting you, but take it and learn and im sure you will have a sweet ride when your all done!!! just dont get caught throwing alot of money into something that could be better

[BigRog95]

i almost pissed myself with arts post. good luck with the swap and i think you should sloooooooow down n read up on in detail on turbo engines to the point where your a nerd so you arent som loser whos always spinnin bearings or poppin head gaskets & tourchin pistons n all that fun stuff

on a lighter note, i hope everything goes well and i hope you post alot on here with your progress and the different routes you choose to take with whatever setup you plan to go ahead on, most people will be dicks when correcting you, but take it and learn and im sure you will have a sweet ride when your all done!!! just dont get caught throwing alot of money into something that could be better

I really appreciate the support. I'm going out to my buddies shop today to get everything I need to upgrade my engine to a turbo - and throwin it in my trunk...lol Why you ask?

I got a letter from my insurance company, and turns out I owe them $560 for 3 months of insurance (but I already paid two months of it)...how do I owe 3 months? My question exactly. lol So now i got to come up with a lot of money in like, a week...WHY ME!? lol

So I'm going to scrap everything on the 89 celica that i'm not going to use, including the car, its the quickest way to get cash. lol Then I can hope my buddy will lend me the rest , which I think he should.

So..the turbo is going to be put on hold for a while, but it will be done eventually..lol

[Culpable04]

which turbo are you using ?

[BigRog95]

the CT26, the turbo that came off the 3sgte engine, i'm hoping that works. I've searched the forums and found nothing on it..so...does anyone know if it'll work?

[Culpable04]

the CT26, the turbo that came off the 3sgte engine, i'm hoping that works. I've searched the forums and found nothing on it..so...does anyone know if it'll work?

you just confirmed what a lot of members were afriad you were doing; yes it can work, almost any turbo can work with any engine, the thing is how efficient. It'll take forever to get the turbo spooling on a 7AFE


Once you get a custom exhaust manifold to fit the turbo, you'll found yourself in a laggy world, where your full boost point will be close to your red line.

This post has been edited by Culpable04: Oct 29, 2007 - 10:23 AM

[BigRog95]

Oh really? Well..that just ruins everything, seems I bought the car for nothing now..lol

Well crap..what to do...you guys got any suggestions? I'm just thinking now scrapping the car all together. lol

[Culpable04]

you said the car had an axel problem, why not just fix the axel and have fun with it. it should be a good beater.

[BigRog95]

I would, but we completely gutted out the 89 celica just about, and the engine is an ST tranny, thats what keeps breaking the axel..so it would just keep breaking axle after axle, after axle. So i'm not going to screw with it...any ideas would be great, if I don't get any good ideas today or tomorrow, i'm going to have to scrap the car..which would really suck...But money is tight right now, so I need to do something..lol

[lagos]

So your saying you have a 4th gen, with a 3sgte and an st tranny, and thats why the axles keep breaking? Dood, at least take the time to learn the basics about these cars before you start your projects.

you also seem to think that you can take the parts off the 3sgte, throw them in your truck and slap them on your ST. hate to brake it to you, but you cant do that.

This post has been edited by lagos: Oct 29, 2007 - 12:48 PM

[playr158]

[Celiracer18]

Lagos i love your sig.

[BigRog95]

Yeah, i'm aware of that. So i've just decided to scrap the car. I'll lose a lot of money by doing that - but oh well, I have no need for it. Sorry to waste all the time.

Appreciate all the feedback too guys, even though it cut deep =P lol I've been around Drill Sergeants from nov. of 2006, until July of 2007..so...i'm used to it. lol!

[96bluevert]

Live n' Learn. Now you know to do a lot more research before a big project like this. why not part it out on craigslist or something?

[1bwilson]

Let me know which junk yard you send the car to

[BigRog95]

Hell, i'd sell the car to anyone here if you want it (PM me =D )

Yeah, as far as live 'n learn...so true. lol but its all good. You know, it was a mistake that I made, but I bet I won't make the same mistake twice...lol