1.8L power?, any ideas on power Options

[st18]

i have a 1.8L and im not looking to make a swap. i want so bad to show that this little beast has power i plan a lot of do it my self modifications (worked as a machinist for a little while ) any ideas to get me started? if u look at my profile you'll see the little i all ready have.

[jdg371]

Its really hard to get power out of the 7AFE, especially with regular bolt ons. For decent power, a turbo will be needed. You can get the basic I/E/H which you have 1.5/3. Custom 2.25-2.5 exhaust piping. aftermarket header, and a cold air intake.. that should give you some umph.. also adjust your timing some and use a higher octane.

[st18]

Its really hard to get power out of the 7AFE, especially with regular bolt ons. For decent power, a turbo will be needed. You can get the basic I/E/H which you have 1.5/3. Custom 2.25-2.5 exhaust piping. aftermarket header, and a cold air intake.. that should give you some umph.. also adjust your timing some and use a higher octane.

im planing to fabricate a cold air intake friday i was going to run it in front of the fans is that a good spot? in your opinion

[jdg371]

Try to locate near the fender, having it near the fan/radiator may not be best area for them.

[3rdgen3SGTE]

4age 20v swap is a good option don't spend money on 7afe...

[Jared95]

If you really will not budge on a swap you can get a air fuel controller FunkySR got one and he's at 118hp now with minor mods

[Celicam8]

4age 20v swap is a good option don't spend money on 7afe...

I completely agree

[94CelicaDragon]

4age 20v swap is a good option don't spend money on 7afe...

I completely agree

How much Is the 4age 20V? Is that what coomer has In the yellow Celica?

[jdg371]

Yes, coomer's Celica had a 4age 20Valve, a silvertop to be more specific. They are found in the Levin GTZ Corolla. 160hp but on dyno it brings out about 120whp. another member has it in their Celica, Xpander.

[95CelicaST]

Yes, coomer's Celica had a 4age 20Valve, a silvertop to be more specific. They are found in the Levin GTZ Corolla. 160hp but on dyno it brings out about 120whp

130whp thank you very much!

[94CelicaDragon]

Yes, coomer's Celica had a 4age 20Valve, a silvertop to be more specific. They are found in the Levin GTZ Corolla. 160hp but on dyno it brings out about 120whp. another member has it in their Celica, Xpander.

So how much Is the 4age? 4 G's?

[95CelicaST]

So how much Is the 4age? 4 G's?

maybe if a shop did everything for you...

Silvertop is ~1K for EVERYTHING
It bolts right in to the ST, so if you can bum a cherry picker from someone you should be able to do the transplant yourself.
Make the harness yourself, or send it off to Dr_Tweak and have it done for ~400
So for ~1500 you would have it in the car and running... this is in the best case. You'll want to change the timing belt while the motor is out and other preventative maintanence...

Other than that, you'll need a paseo throttle cable and other various things along the way, and if you plan to modify it with a lightweight flywheel, new clutch (which you should do anyways) and exhaust

I would set aside about 2.5K for the 20V swap if you plan to do it yourself... 4K+ if a shop is going to do it....

For what it's worth it is a fun little motor

[Celicam8]

you can find the 4age 20v SilverTop for 800w/o tranny and 1100 w/ manual... 500 or so for extra parts, 400 for harness, rebuilding it will run ya about 400
this is one of my things on my to do list...

[94CelicaDragon]

So how much Is the 4age? 4 G's?

maybe if a shop did everything for you...

Silvertop is ~1K for EVERYTHING
It bolts right in to the ST, so if you can bum a cherry picker from someone you should be able to do the transplant yourself.
Make the harness yourself, or send it off to Dr_Tweak and have it done for ~400
So for ~1500 you would have it in the car and running... this is in the best case. You'll want to change the timing belt while the motor is out and other preventative maintanence...

Other than that, you'll need a paseo throttle cable and other various things along the way, and if you plan to modify it with a lightweight flywheel, new clutch (which you should do anyways) and exhaust

I would set aside about 2.5K for the 20V swap if you plan to do it yourself... 4K+ if a shop is going to do it....

For what it's worth it is a fun little motor

Thanks, I think I'll put this on my to do list as well. You guys are awesome.

[presure2]

meh, for that kind of cash, i would just do the normal I,E, a couple degrees of timing advance, and throw in some cams
i would bet that would net you ~125-130whp, which out of a n/a 7a, wouldnt be bad at all, and would make the 7a feel much more "alive"
cheaper, and less hassle.

[Celicam8]

not if you are burning oil... thats the last thing you want to do

[st18]

meh, for that kind of cash, i would just do the normal I,E, a couple degrees of timing advance, and throw in some cams
i would bet that would net you ~125-130whp, which out of a n/a 7a, wouldnt be bad at all, and would make the 7a feel much more "alive"
cheaper, and less hassle.

thanks man kinda got off topic what kind of cams and how much timing advance

[presure2]

not if you are burning oil... thats the last thing you want to do

i dont see the op saying he has an oil burning problem?

webcams, and or colt cams can grind a set of cams for you.

as long as you use premium fuel, a couple degrees (2-3) of advance wont hurt ya.

[st18]

not if you are burning oil... thats the last thing you want to do

i dont see the op saying he has an oil burning problem?

webcams, and or colt cams can grind a set of cams for you.

as long as you use premium fuel, a couple degrees (2-3) of advance wont hurt ya.

Wont advancing my timing strip out my spark plugs faster and more offten?

[netrata]

Yeah, the 20v is a fun 1.6L engine. It may not be as powerful as a 3sgte, but it's a good improvement over the 7afe IMO. Also, 2.5k (not including the engine) is suggested to be put on the side. This will go to such expenses as buying needed parts that you may need to make the swap a success ie: paseo t. cable, new hoses, etc. Also keep in mind that if you want to keep your a/c and power steering, you will need to have a shop fabricate new lines using the existing hoses and fittings coming off of the new engine. Like everyone else have mentioned, the wiring harness will need to made into a conversion, and the man to do it is Dr. Tweak. He did my harness and it's worth it The exhaust will also need to be welded and mated up to the existing setup or redone from the engine to the rear, whichever you prefer.

[Kwanza26]

meh, for that kind of cash, i would just do the normal I,E, a couple degrees of timing advance, and throw in some cams
i would bet that would net you ~125-130whp, which out of a n/a 7a, wouldnt be bad at all, and would make the 7a feel much more "alive"
cheaper, and less hassle.

I doubt 120-130whp... 120whp if you're lucky... but what then? At least with a 20V you have potential there to spin the engine for additional power, and various cam/piston options to work with. With a 7A... it's boost or nothing.

BTW... prices for a 20V swap can vary depending on how much you know and who you ask. 20V motor sets can range anywhere from 500-800 dollars, calculate in what you know and what you're capable of and that's your starting point. A front clip is NOT needed for this swap because there is plenty of documentation and substitutes for various parts.

[presure2]

meh, for that kind of cash, i would just do the normal I,E, a couple degrees of timing advance, and throw in some cams
i would bet that would net you ~125-130whp, which out of a n/a 7a, wouldnt be bad at all, and would make the 7a feel much more "alive"
cheaper, and less hassle.

I doubt 120-130whp... 120whp if you're lucky... but what then? At least with a 20V you have potential there to spin the engine for additional power, and various cam/piston options to work with. With a 7A... it's boost or nothing.

BTW... prices for a 20V swap can vary depending on how much you know and who you ask. 20V motor sets can range anywhere from 500-800 dollars, calculate in what you know and what you're capable of and that's your starting point. A front clip is NOT needed for this swap because there is plenty of documentation and substitutes for various parts.

pistons/cams...then what bee...same thing as the 7a. boost.
btw, i DID say..120whp..-130...LMAO
the silvertop is no big deal IMO...if your gonna swap, swap in a 3s, and be done with it.

[97lestyousay]

I would swap a 16v 4a before a silvertop, the small port makes almost as much power
stock, and aftermarket parts are much more available for the 16v.

This post has been edited by 97lestyousay: Nov 27, 2007 - 7:40 PM

[Kwanza26]

pistons/cams...then what bee...same thing as the 7a. boost.
btw, i DID say..120whp..-130...LMAO
the silvertop is no big deal IMO...if your gonna swap, swap in a 3s, and be done with it.

Granted in the end if you want 200+ whp you'll want to go turbo in both cases... but if you're content with say 180whp... the 4AG is the way to go IMO.

I would swap a 16v 4a before a silvertop, the small port makes almost as much power
stock, and aftermarket parts are much more available for the 16v.

I'd have to argue 16V parts are cheaper... but as far as parts quantity in general... both engines have a LOT of parts available. The argument between 20V and 16V goes like this. 20V has ITBs, under bucket shims, more valve surface overall, and is newer. The 16V will at least need a full valvetrain upgrade in order to compete... so IMO, 20V is vastly superior overall.

[Sinyk]

This thread got so off track. Always sounds like people have thousands and thousands of dollars just lying around in piles ready to be spent.

How much are you looking to spend st18? I think you should figure out te limit you are comfortable spending before making too many plans. Some upgrades could cost you a lot (like all these swaps people are talking about )

[st18]

This thread got so off track. Always sounds like people have thousands and thousands of dollars just lying around in piles ready to be spent.

How much are you looking to spend st18? I think you should figure out te limit you are comfortable spending before making too many plans. Some upgrades could cost you a lot (like all these swaps people are talking about )

maybe 1000 and no disrespect but to the people that keep saying make a swap i dont want to i want to do some thing outside the normal and show that this little 1.8 can a will produce some power this is a forum to get me started on that journey to show the st 1.8 can a will be a beast we all have are dreams as car lovers and we need something new on the 1.8 and i would like all the help i can get cause the little time i've spent here i see this isn't a one man show and this is from the heart of a celica lover

[thespacepanda]

Well spoken...

[OOBE]

That all sounds beautiful and heartwarming, but for $1,000, just get a giant teddy bear made and cuddle with it, because people have already tried it your thing and failed. Do you honestly think you're the first warrior out there with the burning desire and strong willpower to get this engine to pump out decent power? We're not the only people with 7A-FEs, you know. 6GC forums are comprised mostly of young kids with big hope and little money. Well-prepared people have given it a shot already, and it's not worth it going NA. You don't know more than the engineers at Toyota that designed this economy engine with weak internals and narrow valve angles. You don't even plan on spending enough money. $1,000 is like $100 for a car. Spend money, or go home. There is no cheap way with a 7A-FE. This is not a 4G63.

[FortuneCookie]

Very true what OOBE says. I am also one of those warriors who strive for the best out of my 7AFE motor. I've done practically everything to it that doesn't involve swapping or boosting. Out of my experiences with it, it has alot of potential. It's pretty damn fast on pickup and low end. But unfortunately, this engine doesn't belong in a Celica and should have only stayed in the 93-97 Corollas. United states should have kept the 5SFE and 3SGE in. I was even planning on doing a 7AGE project becuz I wanted more out of it. But unfortunately, I stopped. No, I did not quit. I still love the motor. But for my 6GC to be a true Celica, it must have a S series engine. LoL.

This post has been edited by FortuneCookie: Dec 3, 2007 - 5:46 AM

[Kwanza26]

Heheh... some people. Good luck...

[st18]

That all sounds beautiful and heartwarming, but for $1,000, just get a giant teddy bear made and cuddle with it, because people have already tried it your thing and failed. Do you honestly think you're the first warrior out there with the burning desire and strong willpower to get this engine to pump out decent power? We're not the only people with 7A-FEs, you know. 6GC forums are comprised mostly of young kids with big hope and little money. Well-prepared people have given it a shot already, and it's not worth it going NA. You don't know more than the engineers at Toyota that designed this economy engine with weak internals and narrow valve angles. You don't even plan on spending enough money. $1,000 is like $100 for a car. Spend money, or go home. There is no cheap way with a 7A-FE. This is not a 4G63.

i know im not the first not to get personal but ive been told my whole live i cant and i wont but that hasnt stoped me before and i remember a quote on time that said ''dont think like toyota think like a tuner'' and that gave me the balls to do this and yea im going to fail like others but i fight for the underdog i see alot of my self in this car it not just metal to me. the 1.8 is the underdog. yea im 19 years old and maybe im just a stupid boy with a unreal dream but i like those odds that will just help me push hard to do the impossible we went to the moon didnt we

[thespacepanda]

I can't decide if this is truly epic or pure fail....

[Kwanza26]

I can't decide if this is truly epic or pure fail....

unfortunately it's fail because if you're capable of building an n/a motor... you don't need to ask questions. If you're stubborn... you don't need to ask questions. if you don't care... you don't need to ask questions.

[Havok1997GT]

Dude, your car cant do it. if you wanted power you should have went with an S engine. But what you can do is make you car handle like like a monster. The quick speed and light weight of the car makes it great for track

[st18]

well im going to give it a try ive been geting with my uncle that races bikes and a ford man and ill let yall know how it turns out wish me luck im sure im going to need it! so time to get to work thanks for the help. sorry if i got to touchy feely about this topic lol i just love this car

[rayneezy23]

you do what you gotta do man, but my st is pretty slow when it rains i don't know why but when it stops raining it like purs like a kitten and takes off like a damn rocket!!