will a 2l fit into a 1.8 car Options

[bosence_motors1]

i have a 1.8 celica (96) with a smokey engine which i believe is the piston rings. but i have managed to find a low mileage engine for a good price but it is a 2.0. does anyone know if this swop will fit without major work?? thanx.

[Supersprynt]

Yes.

[snapshotgt]

Do you mean a 2.2L out of a GT model Celica?

[bosence_motors1]

Do you mean a 2.2L out of a GT model Celica?

hi. its a basic 2000 (96) and a basic 1800 car(96)

[Supersprynt]

3SGTE or 3SGE.

Check out the sticky's all the information you'll ever want and more is in there. Including mounts, tranny's etc.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Jan 2, 2008 - 1:37 PM

[devilsden97]

Do you mean a 2.2L out of a GT model Celica?

hi. its a basic 2000 (96) and a basic 1800 car(96)

where are u from? where is Cornwall? is it US? or over seas?

over seas SOME gt's have 2.0 (1998cc) 3sge engines

while stateside our Gt's have 2.2 (2198cc*) 5sfe engines

edit: *unable to locate info on this site the confirms that to be the displace ment of the 5sfe...but I would assume around ~2200cc on the motor.

This post has been edited by devilsden97: Jan 2, 2008 - 1:40 PM

[SteveHall]

Cornwall is in the UK, we have 7A-FE 1.8s and 3S-GE 2.0s

If you search this forum there's a few write ups on ST -> GT -> GT4 conversions.

[goferris]

if you are going to swap a 3sge or 3sgte you will also need to get a new tranny and motor mounts. if it's a different motor altogether i suppose you could swap it but it may take a bit more work.

[Celica power]

if you swap why not a turbo then

[Dr_Tweak]

I love Supersprynt's posts, he's like, "Yes".

Can you put a 2JZGTE into a Celica?

Supersprynt: Yes

LOL (of course he doesn't mention HOW you could do it, but you CAN!

Anyway, a 3SGE swap is pretty simple, you'll need the GT mounts and axles and if you can get the p/s and a/c lines that will help a lot too. For that matter, the harness will probably plug and play.

-Doc

[CelicaST_CALI]

simple....you make me chuckle..."u only have to take the whole engine out,and the tranny,and the motor mounts,and the Axel,and then put on a new axle then tranny then motor mount then the engine,its very simple. "

This post has been edited by CelicaST_CALI: Jan 2, 2008 - 8:15 PM

[goferris]

simple....you make me chuckle..."u only have to take the whole engine out,and the tranny,and the motor mounts,and the Axel,and then put on a new axle then tranny then motor mount then the engine,its very simple. "

you do realize that is what doc tweak does for a living right. for him it probably has become a simple thing. there isn't really any custom welding or anything for the swap. no custom drive train. the motor is designed for that engine bay. the only thing that would have to be done that could be difficult for him would be the wiring harness just because how time consuming it can take. if you know what you are doing i can see how you would think it's simple. just because it may take a while to do doesn't mean it's all that hard. you just have to have all the right equipment and the know how.

[stephen_lee]

quick question on the side here. has anyone found a axle combo for an E153 to ST celica? thats the ONLY thing im worried about w/ my swap..

[CelicaST_CALI]

simple....you make me chuckle..."u only have to take the whole engine out,and the tranny,and the motor mounts,and the Axel,and then put on a new axle then tranny then motor mount then the engine,its very simple. "

you do realize that is what doc tweak does for a living right. for him it probably has become a simple thing. there isn't really any custom welding or anything for the swap. no custom drive train. the motor is designed for that engine bay. the only thing that would have to be done that could be difficult for him would be the wiring harness just because how time consuming it can take. if you know what you are doing i can see how you would think it's simple. just because it may take a while to do doesn't mean it's all that hard. you just have to have all the right equipment and the know how.

yes i know its just funny....

[Supersprynt]

Sarcasm doesn't come across well on the internets.

I love Supersprynt's posts, he's like, "Yes".

Can you put a 2JZGTE into a Celica?

Supersprynt: Yes

LOL (of course he doesn't mention HOW you could do it, but you CAN!

Anyway, a 3SGE swap is pretty simple, you'll need the GT mounts and axles and if you can get the p/s and a/c lines that will help a lot too. For that matter, the harness will probably plug and play.

-Doc

LOL, he didn't ask how.

[bosence_motors1]

hi all. im not too clued up with celicas.im in cornwall, england, and all the model numbers dont mean a lot to me at the moment, all i know is the 2 litre and 1800 look very similar from the top! its a manuel car(5 speed). it hasnt even got a rear spoiler!!!!!!!!

[Dr_Tweak]

Anything that just bolts in is simple A 3SGTE just goes beyond the realm of simple because you pretty much need a custom front-mount intercooler set up and custom exhaust, but up to that point it's also a bolt-in swap, even in the ST (well, sort of).

bosence, the 3SGE is the 2.0 engine that you're referring to. Be advised that though both engines look at home in the engine bay, the 3SGE uses a different tranny, axles, mounts, a/c and p/s lines, harness, and ECU. So if you want to do the swap, make sure that you get all of that because you're going to need to change it all over.

-Doc

[njccmd2002]

ok, just to get it straight. an st and a gt engine box, are the same?

the only difference is the motor mounts? or is there a slight difference of the motor mounts locations?

[Dr_Tweak]

The location is about the same but on the GT it's a little further back, when swapping into an ST you need to drill two holes for the mount but it's not as hard as it sounds... the locations are marked on the frame rail.

-Doc

[bosence_motors1]

hi guys, thanks for all your input. the reason im asking about the 2 litre is that i can pick up the complete engine and bits for £250 with 32,000 miles on it. my other alternative is to repair my existing engine. bear in mind the car is only worth a few grand. cornwall is cold and windy, recovering from the new year !!!!!!!!!!

[bosence_motors1]

sorry guys but im still a little confused. both cars are identical apart from the engine size and the fact the 2000 is an automatic. i see that i gotta change the fly wheel and drive shafts. im confident ican re-sit the mounts and anything along them lines. ican make my own stainless exhaust system, but am terrible with electrics,(whats a fuse?!!). is tranny driveshafts? in england a tranny is either a ford transit or a transvestite. obviously i cant get a van in the engine bay and we still have laws against putting people under our bonnets!

[Dr_Tweak]

Tranny is short for Transmission. What word do you use for transmission for short?

If the 2l engine is automatic then you will need to pick up a manual tranny (transmission!) from a GT, because yours will not work.

-Doc

[bosence_motors1]

tranny??? transmission, is that our gearbox? Most of our cars are manuel 5 speed gearboxes which i think you guys call stick shift ???? we have drive shafts from wheels to gearbox. fly wheel is different to autos , which i believe you guys have, but the housing seems to be the same(?). was hoping i could change flywheels and mounts, then drop the lump onto it.???

[DEATH]

No - bottom line: You need a new gearbox [tranny] to use the 3S-G[T]E or any of the "S" series motors for that matter.
If you are looking for something that just bolts up with no new tranny then you would want one of the 4A-G[Z]E variants but you would have to find out if your wiring would work. Most likely if you can't get this stuff done just get a new/used 7A-FE.

BTW - The [] in the engine numbers denotes an option you may not want for either:
[T] = Turbo
[Z] = Supercharger
Just drop that bit out of the number if you want NA

Hope this clears it up for you.

[bosence_motors1]

thanx all

[CelicaST_CALI]

so u could swap a 5sfe into a st engine bay??

[goferris]

so u could swap a 5sfe into a st engine bay??

yes but why would you? you wouldn't get enough gains from it to make it worth your while. if you are going to swap an st i would just do a 4agze or go all the way and swap in a 3sgte.

[CelicaST_CALI]

ya just askin.

[easternpiro1]

sorry guys but im still a little confused. both cars are identical apart from the engine size and the fact the 2000 is an automatic. i see that i gotta change the fly wheel and drive shafts. im confident ican re-sit the mounts and anything along them lines. ican make my own stainless exhaust system, but am terrible with electrics,(whats a fuse?!!). is tranny driveshafts? in england a tranny is either a ford transit or a transvestite. obviously i cant get a van in the engine bay and we still have laws against putting people under our bonnets!

For some reason, that struck me as hillarious (thinking about the 2 jay z with nas) other than the translation bits.

[GriffGirl]

sorry guys but im still a little confused. both cars are identical apart from the engine size and the fact the 2000 is an automatic. i see that i gotta change the fly wheel and drive shafts. im confident ican re-sit the mounts and anything along them lines. ican make my own stainless exhaust system, but am terrible with electrics,(whats a fuse?!!). is tranny driveshafts? in england a tranny is either a ford transit or a transvestite. obviously i cant get a van in the engine bay and we still have laws against putting people under our bonnets!

For some reason, that struck me as hillarious (thinking about the 2 jay z with nas) other than the translation bits.

I actually got a good chuckle out of that too... for me, it evoked an image of either a very shabby dirty engine with a Little Bo Peep hat on the heat shield or the tranny from Rocky Horror lurking under the hood of the car.