3S-GTE Trannies, Worthy of the power Options

[Chrobis]

Well with super's recent problem it is almost a certain fact the stock GT tranny will crush under the pressure, so what options does everyone have? Could everyone please list in possible transmisions that can take the power? include what car they came from, and possibly their designation code. Maybe even list tranies that will bolt but wont last, I'll make a list in this post and keep it updated, maybe worthy of a sticky in this forum. Also include if the tranny comes with a LSD or if its available for it... Thanks.

Ready for the power (this can take almost anything you throw at it)
1. Camry v6/ Solara Code: E-153
2. MR2 Turbo Code: E-153 (used with 3s-gte) LSD included on 94+

Who Knows (bolts to a 3S-GTE, but it could work and it could fail)
1. Celica GT Code: S-54 (used with 5s-fe)
2. Celica SSII/SSIII Code:?? (used with 3s-ge) LSD available AM (this could be a different version of the s54!?)
3. Curren Code: ?? (used with 3s-ge) (this also is a different version of the s54, rumored to be stronger)

Cannot be Used (bolts to a 3S-GTE but won't work in a FWD Celica)
1. Altezza Code: ?? (used with 3s-ge) for RWD

This post has been edited by Chrobis: Mar 15, 2004 - 1:11 AM

[kuya1284]

[Coomer]

To elaborate, Celica SS-IIs and SS-IIIs have the 3S-GE, along with some Toyota Currens.

Not any tranny that mounts up to a 3S-GE will work though. For example, an Altezza tranny wouldn't work, because the car is rear wheel drive.

[kuya1284]

[kuya1284]

I believe the following will work as well:

A241E => MR2 NA AT
S51 => MR2 Turbo AT

[Chrobis]

the mr2 tranny need some reworking though right? and if so how much reworking? and I'm guessing the same for the camry tranny?

And what about the ss-II and ss-III , they used the same trannies right?

ok on the auto trannies wouldn't you need to change the shifter assembly also, isn't it kinda hard to do that... and whats the point on an auto 3s-gte....

This post has been edited by Chrobis: Aug 28, 2003 - 7:26 PM

[kuya1284]

Sorry for the multiple (quick) posts, but I just found a site with some interesting information. Now if this site is ACCURATE, then I wouldn't trust the tranny that's used with the 3S-GE either. Why? Because apparently, it also uses the S-54 or some other S-series trans.

On to the link:

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/997...Transaxles.html

Again, I would recommend using an E-series tranny (FWD or RWD, NOT AWD) for high HP applications.

Also note that this page doesn't list newer year ranges... So I don't know for certain what trans type the Altezza uses...

This post has been edited by kuya1284: Aug 28, 2003 - 7:31 PM

[kuya1284]

[Chrobis]

SO the "E" series designates more along the lines of a high power, more "racing" aplication tranny?

I guess another question is was the tranny changed with the "BEAMS" series 3s-ge's?

And again how much modification was needed on the E-153? Neverstop was saying you have to use the 5s-fe bell housing when using the 3s-ge tranny. Was the same required on the e-153? (I dont know what a bell housing is, enlighten me please)

My guess is they probably used a better tranny with the 6th gen 3s-ge's because power output was increased, especially on the beams engines.

[kuya1284]

[Chrobis]

does the E-153 come with a LSD? or is it available after market?

[kuya1284]

[Supersprynt]

Kuya, the tranny your selling is outta an MR2T correct? Now im unsure, and I should look cuz its probably the same in my brothers MR2 N/A, but is the the engine fitted the same as with the Celicas? If not then wouldnt the bellhousing have to be changed?

In addition, if i was to get the E153, why not use the axles from the MR2T, instead of outters from 91 Camry?

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Aug 28, 2003 - 8:33 PM

[kuya1284]

[Chrobis]

so if you get a different tranny, what needs to be replaced? Bellhousing stays the same, but whats this about the axcels and half shafts and such?

[Supersprynt]

What I may want to do is get the E153 but wait on the LSD for now because i'll only be pushing 240hp and I dont have the cash. To my understanding that tranny will work with the MR2T transaxles, or am I confused...again.

We shoulda gotten a chatroom for this topic

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Aug 28, 2003 - 9:07 PM

[Coomer]

[kuya1284]

Everything regarding the E153 into a FWD swap is all pretty much covered in the link I posted...

The following image should give a better explanation of the axles:



Super, now in your case, if you just get the tranny with no LSD, then you can use the standard MR2T inner shafts. But if later you decide to go with LSD, you'll need the MR2T inner shafts that's designed for LSD. But this is only if you go with the factory LSD. If you go with a Quaif or Kaaz LSD, I believe the make an application that will work with the standard MR2T inner shafts.

I hope this clears things up for you guys.

[97sccelica]

[kuya1284]

[Supersprynt]

So I still wouldnt be able to use the entire MR2T transaxles, just the innershafts with the stock outter

[scothaniel]

The 3SGE Curren and SSII / SSIII Celica's came with the S54 trans. It rumored that the gear ratio was revised, but most of the internals are the same as the S54 on the GT Celica's.

On that note, who is saying the S54 trans is weak? Ryan's T67 powered 3SGTE 6th gen put down over 500HP on the dyno at CJ Motorsports using the stock S54 trans!
There are 3 companies that make a LSD unit for the S54 as well. The only advantage of the E series trans is the gear ratio - which is better for top end and cruising. The S54 has a higher ratio, making it better for drag.

[kuya1284]

[Supersprynt]

This topic was started due to the fact that my tranny blew itself a new asshole 3 days after I got the 3sgte on the road. Now, I have heard that GT with 500+hp but how much mileage does it have? I had 185,000. Thats alot of mileage for just stock engine and pretty impressive i think. And it wasnt the gears the blew out, it was the bellhousing.

[celicamanSTX2GT]

so could you not go to car-part.com and get the mr2 tranny as well? and couldnt you go to autozone to get axles? or would it generally be more expensive?

[abatardi]

There was a celica 5sfe turbo florida that was doing 380 whp with stock tranny. I think he since switched to a camry tranny but only to get his top speed up. never had any problems with the stock one, just kept good gear oil in it and shifted smooth and it was fine.

remember too: people blow these trannies up all the time on STOCK celicas too. It's called bad driving and clashing gears or beating on it in general. I'll probably blow mine up soon too...but so far I'm at about 1500 miles with the swap and still doing ok.

- aba

[Chrobis]

W00t for topic resurection...

Mainly what has been said a million times is a GT tranny (s54) can be used, sometimes its good, sometimes its not. But mainly its generaly safer to go with the MR2/camry v6 tranny.

[Supersprynt]

Heres the deal with mine, i didnt blow the tranny i blew the bellhousing. There was improper stress placed upon it and it blew a hole. The actual gears are ok although the synchros are going. But they were going before i did the swap. I've done 5,000 miles not going over 4K rpm and 90mph and its been ok. Only time will tell....just be gentle on it.

[Chrobis]

nothing.

This post has been edited by Chrobis: Mar 15, 2004 - 1:16 AM

[Drocay]

so, is there a automatic tranny that will work(can anyone confirm kuya's auto mr2)?

[blkGT]

so ive read thru this many times, and i am still lost. Its obvious that you cant use the mr2t transmission because it is two short as kuya has stated. So does that mean that you could use the e series 6cyl camry transmission by itself and be safe? Now what Kuya was talking about on mixing the two was so that he could have the limited slip of the mr2 mixed with teh correct size of the camry. I am not to worried about the lsd right now, i just want the e series tranny so that it can be replaced while the engine is out of the car. So to sum my question up, can the camry 6 cyl mt be used w/o the mr2t parts?

[scothaniel]

You can use the E series trans from the MR2 Turbo or Camry, or the S series trans from the 5F powered cars.

[nik]

this might be a stupid question but why cant you use the jdm tranny that comes with the motor??

[blkGT]

[nik]

i know that just dont hook up the rear drive shaft and still use the front shafts

[Chrobis]

the transfer box or whatever would be in the way i believe, amongst other things.

and to blkgt, the mr2 tranny can be used. I dont know what your saying about it being to small, all you need to do is use the different axcels, half the axcels from the mr2, and half the axcels from the camry.

[kuya1284]

[celicamanSTX2GT]

[nik]

i havn't seen an awd tranny thats why i ask the question I always see guys talking about the mr2 turbo tranny or the v6 camry tranny i just wanted to know if anyone stuck with the origenal gt4 tranny

[7A-FEces]

My head hurts.

[turboinduction]

nik,
From my understanding of AWD and FWD, owning both of the same car, the AWD loses roughly 1/4 HP in transferring the power to the rear wheels. I believe you can hook up the AWD tranny to car, however you'd lose tremdious power going to nothing... and what good is that. However, I dont even know if theres room for the AWD tranny on the FWD body.

Then again... make it really easy. Import a GT4, switch VIN plates, tint your windows really really dark and have fun for at least a week. Its a whole lot easier than all this swap stuff. lol. And for all you over-thinkers... dont take this serious.

[nik]

thanks for explaining it that helps

[Dr_Tweak]

[abatardi]

[kuya1284]

[Chrobis]

[NEVERSTOP]

[Stipt]

[blkGT]

ok ok , so i cant just use a straight 6cyl camry transmission. I MUST mate it with the mr2. plus that gives me the limited slip option?

Itd be so much nicer if the camry would just work by itself

[lantz2121]

I have heard that you can use the gt4 trany and make it fwd by removing the rear output shaft and making an cover to seal it up is this recomended?

[Supersprynt]

no thats not a very good idea.

[jgreening]

Read NEVERSTOP's post in this thread. It makes sense why using the AWD tranny is not a good idea.

[Belhan]

Hi.

I have ST202 celica 3S-GE with 129kw. I need new gearbox. My old ones code is E56, wtf is that ? and which transmissions are compatible with this one ? My car is from Germany and im living in Finland.

Thanks.

[yungazzdriver]

what,.... i am using an awd tranny and it makes perfect sense

This post has been edited by yungazzdriver: May 4, 2006 - 7:38 AM

[BLADDER_MASTER]

Hi.

I have ST202 celica 3S-GE with 129kw. I need new gearbox. My old ones code is E56, wtf is that ? and which transmissions are compatible with this one ? My car is from Germany and im living in Finland.

Thanks.

Where you get that code from? All ST202's came with S-54 trannies. Just look for another Celica with a 3S-GE and take the tranny off of that.

[Belhan]

Hi.

I have ST202 celica 3S-GE with 129kw. I need new gearbox. My old ones code is E56, wtf is that ? and which transmissions are compatible with this one ? My car is from Germany and im living in Finland.

Thanks.

Where you get that code from? All ST202's came with S-54 trannies. Just look for another Celica with a 3S-GE and take the tranny off of that.

I found it from that plate where is written all information about ur car, like chassis code and stuff.(i dont know whats the right name in english) Anyway its under the hood Checked it with local toyota serviceman after he told that there is 2 kind of transmissions for st202. We have only this celica in this town(20k citizens). So even the service cant tell me all what i want to know Because this is the first one which they need to handle.
Anyway i catch one tranny from finland which got about 40000miles on it. It costs 600$. Much cheaper than repair the old one btw. we have crazy prices for these cars. I paid ~16000$ 2years ago...