 1mz-fe??, v6?? |
 Aug 31, 2003 - 2:01 AM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Jul 6, '03 From Long Beach, CA..."LBC" Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
didnt see this in the feasible engine swap sticky...well i live kali so i was thinkin...is this the only swap that would be legal?? i think when u do a swap here in kali it has to be the same year engine or newer. I would like the power of a inline 6 in my car and then just build from there. Don't know how much the engine and everything would cost...would it be about the same cost as the 3sgte swap or alot more??....just wanna stay street legal here in kali...well THANKS!!
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Aug 31, 2003 - 2:15 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
its the only swap that is 100% smog legal.
the best thing you can do it talk to one of the guys at the test place and see what you can work out. all jdm engines run clean, its just that they fail the visual test. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Aug 31, 2003 - 4:59 PM
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there is a guy on celica. net that did it. I dont remember what his screen name is but check the forums over there.
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Aug 31, 2003 - 5:58 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 16, '02 From Somewhere around Chi-Town Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
a USDM 3sgte would also be smog legal, and i've heard you can get an EGR on a JDM engine, it just wouldnt work. and r u sure the V6 would fit in the celi's engine bay? i would think it would be too wide, but im not sure. plus dude, that V6 still has an economy head on it. and i would think u could still get more power out of the 3sgte, but hey it'd be cool to have the swap.
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Aug 31, 2003 - 6:25 PM
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the guy on celica.net says that it fits perfect. he has about 220hp too. and no hassles on a turboed engine.
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Aug 31, 2003 - 6:27 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 6, '03 From Long Beach, CA..."LBC" Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
you guys think it would be any cheaper than a 3sgte swap??
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Aug 31, 2003 - 8:35 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 20, '02 From Covington, La Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ask around on celica.net a few months ago it was a popular topic among the site, it has been done to an mr-2 and a 5th gen celi on the site, if you can't find the person ask evilspeedtoe, he knows about the swap and could prolly give you the most info if you can't find the guy w/ the 5th gen
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Sep 1, 2003 - 12:30 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined May 17, '03 From Ontario, Canada Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
I have researched this one pretty well. Here is the best thread on the v6 install into the 5th gen celica:
http://celica.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?u...c;f=31;t=004637 It is very tight in the engine bay, but does fit. I have decided against it as it may comprimise the car in a front end crash. As for power, there is a TRD supercharger that will bolt up to that engine with no mods (nuns 5.5PSI of boost). The engine has more potential than most people here give it credit for. You can check out that engine's potential at: http://www.zer0.info/solaraguy/ There are two versions of that engine, the VVT version and the non VVT. The VVT engine will not take the supercharger (at least as a bolt on mod) If you snag The highlander or RX300 version, you get 220 HP stock!!! With the non-vvt version, you only get up to 200 HP, the ratings varied by model. However the superchager can be added to the engine for more power than the VVT version. There are overdrive pulleys for the supercharger to increase the boost. The one issue with this swap is the transmission, It would be dumb to use anything other than the solara 5 speed (V6) transmission, but while rare, they are not to hard to find. Hope this helps |
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Sep 1, 2003 - 4:40 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 20, '02 From Covington, La Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I think the prob about crashing is not a big deal since most people who would go through w/ this project would be using it for racing/auto x purposes. anyways if someone was to daily drive a setup like that, I'm sure they would be more than extra careful to look out for wrecks.
You can drop a 350 into S10's so why not drop a v6 into a celica? No one would want to touch you once they hear that lower exhaust note, becuz they know it's not a weed-eater motor 6's in FWD cars are not bad and are actually pretty fast, I know of many Lumina's and Grand Prix's that can smoke the pants off of celicas |
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Sep 1, 2003 - 5:30 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 17, '03 From Ontario, Canada Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
my last car was a 3.1 grad prix, slow as a snail, and what a POC!!!  I would be embarassed to own that thing now that I have owned a Celica 
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Sep 1, 2003 - 7:22 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 16, '02 From Cincinnati, Ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I emailed the guy who did it b/c I want to do this swap. he said to stay away from the VVTi engines becuse it is more challenge. I looked up engine and tranny prices and it looks like it would be around 3K for both the engine and tranny. Not too bad IMO. Also, he suggests getting a 97+ year engine and tranny. He said he had to lower it a couple of inches to get teh hood to close, but nothing difficult. he did his in a 5th, so Im not sure if the hood clearance is different b/w the 5th & 6th...
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Sep 1, 2003 - 7:39 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 20, '02 From Covington, La Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
how would this affect the front end? I don't think that the guy had to mod anything except the mounts, and lower the motor. The only bad point I see out of that motor is that it is aluminum, I've seen many crazy built hondas(which are mostly aluminum) while the 5sfe is iron. Should this be a factor that the v6 block is aluminum and not iron like the 5sfe? |
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Sep 1, 2003 - 8:34 PM
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less weight
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Sep 2, 2003 - 2:41 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 17, '03 From Ontario, Canada Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
You are filling the crumple zones with engine block. If you have ever seen a car in a front end collision, you would see that as the frame buckles, this space is used up. With the V6, the engine would push into the firewall sooner and more drastically than a 4 cylinder, and comprimise the passenger compartment. |
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Sep 2, 2003 - 6:26 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 9, '02 From Longmont, CO Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
Yeah, but the 1mz-fe and 3sgte are pretty much the same width. The article that Turbo Magazine did had a side by side picture of both engines and they are almost the same size. So putting in a 3sgte is getting rid of the crumple zone too. -Kaleb |
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Sep 3, 2003 - 10:39 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined May 17, '03 From Florence, KY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I have that issue of Turbo where they swapped the V-6 into an MR-2 and yes they did say it was pretty much the same size and weight as the 3sgte. I had a 3.1 V6 Beretta and it was VERY fast for a compact car. It had a lot of torque.
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