celica vs other coupes, handling Options

[Euphoria]

hey, I know what everyone is thinking, we all know the 6th gen isn't the fastest car in its class, this isn't gonna be another one of of those threads but with everyones experiences, how much better or worse does the 6th Gen generally handle compared to other cars in its class such as ford probe/mx6, prelude, integra, hyundai coupe etc etc.

[jason]

i dont know about the 3sge celica's

but in the states the gt and st are SLOW compared to well... every other car out there lol

handling, they handle great. stock for stock they are about equal with most other cars from that era in their class

however... cost wise, i think the celica is a bad choice for performance. yes it looks better than all the others, but you will spend alot more to get the same performance results out of them

now the overseas models that came stock with the 170hp 3sge.... they stand above all the others (and i imagine at a cost)

[bizzerk]

This post has been edited by bizzerk: May 26, 2008 - 1:06 PM

[dnyluong]

W1N

[daazndood]

you guys ever think the celica handles better because it enters every corner slower and accelerates out slower then any other car? obviously if you slap on 100 more horsepower its not gonna grip on corners as well unless you snail into it like it still had 130hp

[BloodyStupidDave...]

I've only driven a Hyundai Coupe and an Audi as comparisson (other than test drives in an SLK and a modern MG). With a 3SGE engine the Celica seems to accelerate and handle very well compared to the Hyundai and the Audi. The big difference is that the brakes on the Celica are crap.

[Rider]

you guys ever think the celica handles better because it enters every corner slower and accelerates out slower then any other car? obviously if you slap on 100 more horsepower its not gonna grip on corners as well unless you snail into it like it still had 130hp

You don't need a lot of horsepower to enter a corner quickly, you just need to be going fast. Most cars have to decelerate to some degree to go around a turn. A Celica might not have to decelerate as much as other cars (that have more horsepower). However, it can go around the turn as fast as those cars, if not faster. Accelerating out of the corner is a different story though...lol.

[CelicaST_CALI]

my celi out handles my friends 2001 mustang,camero,and integra. it says a lot when i live in the country where all the roads are curvy as hell

This post has been edited by CelicaST_CALI: May 26, 2008 - 6:24 PM

[Sh0gunkid8721]

my celi out handles my friends 2001 mustang,camero,and integra.

a car that outhandles a mustang and camaro isnt saying much.

but yes a celica does handle great. but was nowhere near as good as my old 240.

[808celica]

well if it makes you feel better i kept up with an evo in one of our Touge courses

i know that my car handles these cars on our Touge :
**:
gen.5 gts
teggy
triburon
civic eg ek
95 style prelude (that or my friend sucked )

i kept up with these cars:
kid in evo 8
civic si newer ones
newer prelude
regular wrx
my cousins gen. 7 gts
and 2 more i cant remember..........

This post has been edited by 808celica: May 26, 2008 - 5:09 PM

[Tigawoods]

well if it makes you feel better i kept up with an evo in one of our Touge courses

i know that my car handles these cars on our Touge :
**:
gen.5 gts
teggy
triburon
civic eg ek
95 style prelude (that or my friend sucked )

i kept up with these cars:
kid in evo 8
civic si newer ones
newer prelude
regular wrx
my cousins gen. 7 gts
and 2 more i cant remember..........

i can see that happening.
one car i REALLY want to backroad race is a prelude, they are basically our arch nemesis

when i start to autox i will see how my car performs against evo's and sti's, thats the class i will be in i suppose

This post has been edited by Tigawoods: May 26, 2008 - 5:56 PM

[Euphoria]

I have noticed celicas do handle great, I always smash my friends through windy roads mainly cause they don't ever have good handling cars or fast cars, did have a run with my friend in his Ford XR6 Falcon which is only known in Australia but I beat him mainly cause I've had a bit more experience and knew the road.

the one Ive always wanted to know is if the mx6/probe handle better or worse than the celica, godam it topgear need to do some older cars haha.

[j0e_p3t]

i think they handle pretty great stock. especially for just a mac suspension. i think a lot of it is due to the car being pretty low compared to other cars. even before i lowered it, i felt like other coupes and sport sedans towered over me. and my lower stiffer suspension and 3-point rear bar make it even more fun cornering.

[Rayme]

For some reason I feel like this this somewhat hard to find a straight answer.

Just having a different brands of tire will make a car take a corner faster in the same car.

As far as steering response, so far I found that a 98 ford escort, 00 miata, yaris's, paseo's and my wrx all feel quicker/lighter in quick steering input, the celica just feels heavy (but it still holds the road). The celica have a heavy steering feeling for it's size.

This post has been edited by Rayme: May 26, 2008 - 8:50 PM

[Euphoria]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V48SrQ0weUE this is quite good all fwd coupes from our era (Ford Probe, Honda Prelude, Vauxall Calibra, Volkswagen Corrado vr6) and missing dam celica haha

Yeah stock celica handles extremely well, don't know what it would be like with stock size rims and can't wait to start modding suspension.

[monkey]

hmm but what can u do to a paseo..... lmao i got a 95 paseo thats been hit by 3 deer... yes the deer ran into the car....
and as far as miatas go i got my ass handed to me off the line by a mazda speed mx5(miata) thank god they stopped makin them... lol but in top end and cornering the celica stuck to the road very well, dont know it thats because im not scared of crashing and he had his kid int he car but he deff wasnt scared to pullit up to a good speeed with me.... plain and simple celicas are slow and itll handle as good as u can drive it to an extent... most of the people who have ricers cant handle them to the extent they build them.... lol but its sure fun to build em to that...

[Photoguy1313]

W1N

what....ok whats been done to the celica to give that kinda speed...like what engine and mods...and what time did it pull....

[Random_Stranger]

Catherine Zeta Jones has saggy boobs, but I still think she is hot as hell.

[monkey]

yes mrs jones is fine as hell, but thats a different story....
so im just goin to guess thats a picture of a celica about to be lapped cuz aint no porche about to loose to that!

[bizzerk]

W1N

what....ok whats been done to the celica to give that kinda speed...like what engine and mods...and what time did it pull....

not sure i just found the image from some website
http://www.fensport.co.uk/gallerymain.htm

[97lestyousay]

yes mrs jones is fine as hell, but thats a different story....
so im just goin to guess thats a picture of a celica about to be lapped cuz aint no porche about to loose to that!

I think my st could take a 914 or 924.lol

[j0e_p3t]

yes mrs jones is fine as hell, but thats a different story....
so im just goin to guess thats a picture of a celica about to be lapped cuz aint no porche about to loose to that!

maybe too much downforce with that huge spoiler?

[808celica]

yes mrs jones is fine as hell, but thats a different story....
so im just goin to guess thats a picture of a celica about to be lapped cuz aint no porche about to loose to that!

maybe too much downforce with that huge spoiler?

nope the spoiler gives an automatic 200hp when installed and 300hp if the blocks are c/f...........

[monkey]

just think about the price of a spoiler for a porche..... theyre gunna charge and arm and a leg for something like that and they know they can... so if someones goin to spend that much on just a spoiler, look at the body kit.. another money dump... now if they got all that money they probably have **** done to the engine so i highly doubt thta celica is winning... prob a straight away on a closed course and its getting lapped.... just my thoughts on this pic.... or the porche just is for looks and the gt4 is highly modded, or the porche got a bad start....

This post has been edited by monkey: May 27, 2008 - 12:13 PM

[purplegt4]

hey, I know what everyone is thinking, we all know the 6th gen isn't the fastest car in its class, this isn't gonna be another one of of those threads but with everyones experiences, how much better or worse does the 6th Gen generally handle compared to other cars in its class such as ford probe/mx6, prelude, integra, hyundai coupe etc etc.

you'd really have to have certain controls: tires & track conditions being a couple examples.

lap times vs power/weight ratios?

more like lap analyzations where you compare entry/exit speeds;
or average speed thru the turns
or max Gs before spinning out on a circle
or time/max Gs on a slalom
or a bunch of different tests.

saying "it feels more responsive" definitely doesn't say anything as there are tons of factors dealing with that notion.

[Photoguy1313]

yes mrs jones is fine as hell, but thats a different story....
so im just goin to guess thats a picture of a celica about to be lapped cuz aint no porche about to loose to that!

maybe too much downforce with that huge spoiler?

nope the spoiler gives an automatic 200hp when installed and 300hp if the blocks are c/f...........

its a gt4 and it won, i read the site info that the pic was taken off of....

[GotToyota]

one car i REALLY want to backroad race is a prelude, they are basically our arch nemesis

when i start to autox i will see how my car performs against evo's and sti's, thats the class i will be in i suppose

I hate to break it to you, but the 92+ Preludes (model with Vtec) would run circles around us.

My friend used to have a 94' that was mint, never taken out of the garage, and was owned by his grandfather. When he took it over, it had only 10k miles on it. The car was practically brand new. Now, I'm normally not a Honda fan, but this car was QUICK. He was always constantly spin through 3rd gear with the normal tires it had.

He took it out to a road course during the TX2k5 Supra Nationals, and he was lapping Supras with it. Mind you, the car was completely stock aside upgraded spark wires, distributor, and an awesome set of BF Goodrich G Force Sport KDW's (as well as 104 octane). He said the only downside was the stock suspension, as after a few laps, it was becoming spongy.

Even though it would be very rare to run into one in that condition, I still say it would beat the Celica.

Let's face it guys, the [US] Celica is a dog.

-Matt

This post has been edited by GotToyota: Jul 6, 2008 - 12:38 PM

[95celgt]

yea fensport builds some fast toyotas

and as for cornering.......i dont know any car that could keep up with my celi back in the day on the course....i always lost whatever chased it, and i can say it would out-do my audi TT....as the celica's brakes would out last the others

[CelicaST_CALI]

well a few days ago i got into it with a evo on a really crappy road and it seemed that the celi was shootin outta the turns a lil harder,but he pwned me on the straightaways

[j0e_p3t]

he pwned me on the straightaways

that's a big shocker there. now if only we had the gt-four in america. evo's and sti's would get a run for their money.

[delusionz]

From my experience the SS-I & SS-II handle very cruisy for a sports car, its alot stiffer & low riderish than sedans, but its very soft and high up and the chassis flexes alot for a sports coupe. The SS-III has super strut suspension with front & rear strut bars which improves handling tremendously and brings it up to par with other sports coupes in stock condition. The GT-Four has 4WD which in itself changes the handling alltogether aswell as super strut suspension which makes the GT-Four one of the top handling sports coupes imo. I had been in a GT-Four with tien suspension which made the ride so stiff the car had no flex and your body took all the force. USA ST & GT would have the same handling as SS-I and SS-II I'd imagine?

[Euphoria]

yeah Id say they'd have the same suspension, I don't understand why toyota put the 5SFE in, rather than a 3SGE engine? I can imagine the 3SGE would be better on fuel? and has more power. Do you guys think toyota didn't because the 3SGE engine cost too much and/or 5SFE was a more reliable everyday motor?

Also after previously going to a track day and using my Celica SX which is like the GT and driving my dads renault clio sport, really showed me 10 years makes alot of difference in handling, the celica on the road sticks to the corners and you get little to no understeer for a front wheel and it handles very well but its not until you go to the track until you really know the capability, the car understeered constantly and screeched on every bend on the track, still handled but not as good as it could of. When I got in the clio the clio just went around corners crazily well, basically no understeer even if I went twice as hard as I did in my car it would barely screech. now I know its unfair to compare with a modern day sports car but just to give an idea that with stock suspension it doesn't handle as well as some cars, I don't know how it would compare to other cars of its era although I've heard it handles nearly as well as the mid 90's integras.

but with a little bit of suspension work I'm sure it could be better than majority of front wheel drives even of these days.

This post has been edited by Euphoria: Jul 7, 2008 - 4:46 AM

[delusionz]

3s-ge is the Japanese powerplant, the japs keep the good stuff for themselves, kinda like how the JDM soarer gets 1jz-gte twin turb and the usdm counterpart lexus sc300 does not.

and nah fe heads are better on fuel on the road..... fe is designed for optimum a/f in the lower rpm where you spend the most time driving, the ge head is designed to give it more a/f to the upper rpm which means wasted gas in low rpms

[Euphoria]

oh haha bastards!

you seem to know your stuff

keep in mind before when I talked about the clio handling so well it just didn't have the feel of the celica, just didn't feel as nice to drive, was quite dull where as the celica is incredibly fun to drive no matter how slow it is. thats why the GT-4 is ultimate.

This post has been edited by Euphoria: Jul 7, 2008 - 5:38 AM

[hardcoreproducer]

Fensport are just down the road from me, will be paying them a visit soon i think

back on topic, the other cars i considered/test drove but dismissed before buying my 1994 GT:

Mitsi FTO- Nice car but loads of thing go wrong with them once the miles get high. Which costs loads to fix unless you have lots of space time+ money (I have none of the above lol) every one I looked at had noisy tappets and serious rust round the engine mount on the wheel arch which was worrying

MR2- In the UK it always rains, MR2s are very scary in the wet, I'm too young to die

Mazda MX5-Engine too big (V6 2.5)=expensive road tax

Alfa GTV- Made by Fiat-'nuff said

Fiat Coupe-As above

Mazda MX-3-Too small+girly

So there we go, although I haven't test driven all the above cars, the Celica ticked all the right boxes and everyone I told "I'm going to have a look at a Celica GT next" all said "oh they're good cars" which was confirmed by test driving my current car.

Oh and its cheaper to insure than my previous car (VW Passat 1.8) which is a bit odd but good also hehe

This post has been edited by hardcoreproducer: Jul 8, 2008 - 2:36 PM

[Akimbo]

he pwned me on the straightaways

that's a big shocker there. now if only we had the gt-four in america. evo's and sti's would get a run for their money.

Probably not. GT4's are heavy. They aren't that spectacular in stock form.

[j0e_p3t]

if i had a gt-four, it won't stay stock. at first i thought i would just change the exhaust and add a turbo timer. and then i figured i might as well add a boost controller. and blah blah blah next thing you know, i'd have all kinds of mods. but i doubt i'd ever be able to get a gt-four. and how heavy could they be compared to sedans. i think a gt-four can keep up with sti's and evo's pretty easily.