Ghosts,Demons,bigfoot,ufos ect, do you believe? Options

[SeverX13]

Hey guys, ive had some experiencees with ghosts and bigfoot, and im just wondering if anyone on here has had experiences with any of this. Or if you havnt had experiences what is your take on all of it??


its long i know, but alot is unexplained.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=deoJUBW9CI8

[SeverX13]

Hey guys, ive had some experiencees with ghosts and bigfoot, and im just wondering if anyone on here has had experiences with any of this. Or if you havnt had experiences what is your take on all of it??


its long i know, but alot is unexplained.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=deoJUBW9CI8

this one is even longer.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mZGh5cCiEF8

Now shapeshifter from what ive read and heard about are beleived to be what watches over us, like we are fish in a tank. They are also supposivly look like lizard or some scaley creature that can morph or "shapeshift into humans or other living things. they can get here thru whats known as portals or gateways from on parallel to the next. there are portals or gateways all around the earth. on is somewhere in the united kingdom. i forget exactly but its this old church. If you go down in teh catacombs there is this dead end with a platform in between a small stone railing --_-- kinda loooks like that. and when u satnd on the platform you can feel yourself beeing pulled slightly forward, and ou acctually hover over the ground a fraction of an inch. Now scientists can exxplain that and are tryin to figure out how to open it. Up above that church they beleive lies the key. there are old images and symbols engraved on the archways. they beleive they are sometype of muscial not or language. and with the right combonation the portal will open.

[Random_Stranger]

LOL Sorry Brent, I think it is crazy we discuss these things. At least I feel crazy when I do. Honestly, my whole life has been a spiritual journey with sightings of demons and angels. There is too much to explain, but if ever you find yourself interested, I wouldn't mind sharing them with you. I just rather keep these things personal unless someone else mentions them or questions my spiritual beliefs and why I believe them. I never wanted to believe in God or this stuff....... But I guess it happens for a reason, or maybe you are called to it.

[D-Man]

yeah, i deff believe we (as humans) arn't as smart as we think we are. It's that pioneering spirit you got, Brent, That Disbelief of what people force you to believe; that has lead to the discovery and making of this world a better place.

I freakin Swear Ghost exist too... And they scare the sh!t out of me...

[Supersprynt]

Nope, none of it.

[SeverX13]

yeah, i deff believe we (as humans) arn't as smart as we think we are. It's that pioneering spirit you got, Brent, That Disbelief of what people force you to believe; that has lead to the discovery and making of this world a better place.

I freakin Swear Ghost exist too... And they scare the sh!t out of me...

hey i really appreciate what you said about me haha. i wish everyone thought that about me when i talk about this stuff. i used to beleive in itbut once i had the experiences it just confirmed it for me. I have plenty experiences with bigfoot and several with ghosts. nothin with demons yet thank god. I saw bigfoot in 7th grade on my way home from school. I was takin the shortcut home thru the woods. and i started smellin this rank smell. Its hard to describe. idk a mix of stagnent water,rotten meat,skunk. just really foul. and i kept walking thru with with my shirt over my nose. i heard some sticks snap and i looked around behind me and to my right. i saw nothing until i turned to my left. it was then i saw what i beleive was bigfoot. he was staring at me from behind a tree about 30-40 yards away, almost like he didnt know what i was. Me being scared sh!tless wanted to run but ive been sceptical of the thing for a while so i took a step towards it. that was when it took off. the way it was set up was there was one pinetree infront and then a bunch more that thikend and i saw him go in between the one tree he was at into the thick parts. and i lost him but i saw some trees moving further back. i ran home. the next day i went back to the same spot and walked up to the tree i saw him at. now his head was near the top off it and when i walked up the tree was a good 9 feet tall. so that scaring me again i ran home. since 7th grade i have not seen it, but i have heard it. i hear its yowls and woops every now and then. i managed to capure a recording on my phone but its too long to send to my email.

[CelicaBabeUK]

I belive Ghosts

Had over 100 encouters so i really do belive in them

[SeverX13]

Nope, none of it.

y dont u beleive?

[Supersprynt]

Because I need to see something in order to believe in it. I don't believe in any god nor do I believe in any afterlife so I don't believe ghosts. I don't believe in bigfoot, or sasquatch, or yeti, or the Loch Ness monster, or Champy the Lake Champlain monster, or aliens visiting our planet.

It's all myth and legend and when you go into a creepy building your brain does things that make you feel or see or think you do spirits and what not. I watch these stupid shows on TV ghost hunters that say "oh look at all of these orbs of energy floating around" when it's clearly dust and flying garbage because it's a building thats not walked in very often.

The best is psychics, the biggest scam of all. Or Oija boards, and astrology.

[D-Man]

Damn, not even aliens? Man, if we're the smartest thing in the universe... The universe is fcuked!!

We cant even stop squabbling on our own little plannet. How are we supposed to be the mack-daddys of the universe?

Speaking of aliens, NASA found bacteria on mars. That's alien life!!

I believe aliens are real, and smart enough tp stay the hell away from us!!!

[SeverX13]

i understand where your coming from. but the ghosthunters go into those "creepy buildings" to try and disprove ghosts. yet the still find stuff. When i was at my cabin once i went walking in the woods. and walked maybe 1/2 mile and i found this house, never seen it b4 and ive been back there my whole life. no road to it. just a house. i marked where it was by wraping my old shirt around the tree. the next month i went back to it. i found my shirt and no house. i left my shirt there again and the next time i went up went back to it. and the house was there again. i dont know how to explain that. I just think you need to have an experience with it. then u might finally know whats out there

[D-Man]

idk about dissapearing houses and stuff... I just dont like the idea of ghosts. They creep me out. Seriously, how do you whoop a ghost's ass? You gotta have a bible, and i'm not sure that i'd have one handy...

Sever, I respect your attempt, but... You need to lay off the hallucinogens. (Dissapearing houses?)

And those TV shows are full of sh!t.

This guy seems Legit:
http://www.aghostinabottle.com/

[SeverX13]

haha no i swear i wasnt doing anything illegal. i was bored so i went for a walk. i swear on it.

[playr158]

i understand where your coming from. but the ghosthunters go into those "creepy buildings" to try and disprove ghosts. yet the still find stuff. When i was at my cabin once i went walking in the woods. and walked maybe 1/2 mile and i found this house, never seen it b4 and ive been back there my whole life. no road to it. just a house. i marked where it was by wraping my old shirt around the tree. the next month i went back to it. i found my shirt and no house. i left my shirt there again and the next time i went up went back to it. and the house was there again. i dont know how to explain that. I just think you need to have an experience with it. then u might finally know whats out there

have you been watching LOST....maybe you are just on the island better find Lock and Ben fast!

[SeverX13]

i understand where your coming from. but the ghosthunters go into those "creepy buildings" to try and disprove ghosts. yet the still find stuff. When i was at my cabin once i went walking in the woods. and walked maybe 1/2 mile and i found this house, never seen it b4 and ive been back there my whole life. no road to it. just a house. i marked where it was by wraping my old shirt around the tree. the next month i went back to it. i found my shirt and no house. i left my shirt there again and the next time i went up went back to it. and the house was there again. i dont know how to explain that. I just think you need to have an experience with it. then u might finally know whats out there

have you been watching LOST....maybe you are just on the island better find Lock and Ben fast!

i hate lost. y doesnt anyone believe me? does anyones on here have experiences??? please tell them

[D-Man]

When i was young, we used to play in the woods too... Because we were bored... passin around the who-hash... just chillen... Then POOF a fcuking house would appear right there in the middle of no where...

na but for real, some of it is mental, but dont let that discourage you... Bigfoot is a believable character... he's probably some big ass deformed "bear-banged-a-moose" monster... IDK about dissapearing houses... that one might be your fault. But bigfoot, there's an explanation for him somewhere...

[Batman722]

people believe what they want to belive either consciencely or subconsciencely. I have never had an "experiece" with any sort of ghost or mysterious unexplained creatures and I'm pretty sure I never will.

All of the "strange unexplained" feelings people get with their "experiences" have to do with magnetism and electricity. It's simple.

Did you know that lobsters, birds, turtles, ect. migrate to the south no matter what the situation is. Studies have been made where they put migrateing lobsters in a big tank they've never been in, covered their eyes, and set up an electrico-magnate (making a new local north pole) and the lobster always traveled south. Put the north at any spot, they aways went in the oposite direction (south).

Different varied magnetic fields have caused humans to hallucinate, feel stress, shortness of breath, and have "spiritual" experiences.

Bigfoot, ghosts, chubakabras, they're all BS.

Aliens ? in about 100 years there will be humans will be in space exploring and then we'll see whats going on on other planets.

[D-Man]

What's a "chubakabras"?

[SeverX13]

theres a difference between experience, and feelings. the feelings (like being watched) are most likely caused by an EMF (electro-magnetic field) in the house. In the woods there is no electrical anything.

What's a "chubakabras"?

el chupacabra meaning goat sucker. mexican legend about a creature that kills farmers goats/sheep and little kids.

This post has been edited by SeverX13: Jun 12, 2008 - 12:18 PM

[96bluevert]

I believe in ghost...I watch Ghost Hunters, A Haunting, and all those shows but I have also had my experiences at my house I've been in for 21 years. The most recent was when my dog needed to go out and do her business at 3am in the morning. She starts scratching at the door to wake me up and tell me she needs to go. I wake, but I'm really tired, so I don't get up and just try to ignore her and try to go back to sleep b/c I had an exam in one of my classes just 5 hours later. After a while of her scratching at the door, she finally stops and it's silent for mabe 10 sec, then all of a sudden. BAM!!! against my door and the door opened w/ out the handle even moving. Scared the hell out of me, and my dog just comes right in all happy and everything like nothing happened. So of course at that point I figured "f*** it, I'll let her out". Kinda scared something else would happen if I didn't.

I've had many others. But, so far nothing bads happened, so I can live with it. I think it's just someone (or something) looking out for us in the household . Like I said I have lived in the same house my whole life.

Batman: that's some interesting information there, where'd you learn that? I do agree that electric waves can cause people to think something happens when it really doesn't, but b/c I have had certain experiences, I can't deny that supernatural things do happen. To certain people, though, I do believe.

[Supersprynt]

Damn, not even aliens? Man, if we're the smartest thing in the universe... The universe is fcuked!!

We cant even stop squabbling on our own little plannet. How are we supposed to be the mack-daddys of the universe?

Speaking of aliens, NASA found bacteria on mars. That's alien life!!

I believe aliens are real, and smart enough tp stay the hell away from us!!!

Oh no no I mean I don't believe aliens have visited us. I do believe there is life of some sort on other planets though.

[D-Man]

My wife swears there is a ghost in our appartment...

One occasion, durring the night, my wife and i asleep; my daughter (at one month old) was removed from her swing (with the seat belts on) and was found with a bewildered look on the floor... My wife just started screaming "where's the baby, where's the baby" and by the time i had sat up, she had found her on the floor, UNDER her swing...

This happened again one evening when she was asleep in her crib, and when my wife went to check on her, she was laying on the bed. Now, there is no way for a 3 month old to escape the crib, then climb up the bed and go back to sleep. (those without kids, 3 mo's is nowhere near the time of crawling, walking, nor climbing)

Freaky...

[Supersprynt]

So you have a ghostly babysitter.

[playr158]

When i was young, we used to play in the woods too... Because we were bored... passin around the who-hash... just chillen... Then POOF a fcuking house would appear right there in the middle of no where...

this is your best post to date omg funny

[SeverX13]

i must have the most open mind here. I dont like what scientolgist beleive in but i mean anything is possible. I didnt mean for this thread to become a big joke. i was serious about it. and wanted to talk with people who are serious about it as well.

[96bluevert]

i must have the most open mind here. I dont like what scientolgist beleive in but i mean anything is possible. I didnt mean for this thread to become a big joke. i was serious about it. and wanted to talk with people who are serious about it as well.

Well you had to at least expected some unbelievers to post. The majority or people don't believe in these type of things and don't care too. So, when you publically talk about ghost or aliens, there will be people who doubt you.

For me, once I saw the title of this thread I thought "cool, I know I can contribute to this thread b/c I'm into these types of things". But, it is definately something you belive in or not at all (even if something does happen that's unexplainable).

[Havok1997GT]

Some of the Houston people might remember the old Haunted Psych Ward Hospital in Down Town. They turned it into flats for Art Students, and then shortly after that tore it down.

Well before all that, it was a run down old Hospital. Back in the 50s it was run by a slue of corrupt doctors who would test new drugs,medical tools, techniques, etc. on the psych patients that stayed there. they would infect them with all kinds of things and then run test on them on the 4th floor. When they died, they would just dispose of them by taking the body to one of the windows and slide them down a shoot to the ground where they would stay for weeks at times, then be taken to the crematorium that they had on site and burn the body's.

Now, before i tell you this, keep in mind that i do not believe in god, demons, angels, etc. I believe religion is a joke and should be banned for society. That being said.

We used to go up to this place every weekend and explore. If you gave the security guard that watched the place money, or if one of the girls we hung out with fixed food for him he would let us in till day light. Anyways, One night, i went up to the 4th floor and started walking around, There was a wide circular hall way that rapt around the whole building, with scattered rooms through out the hallway, the shape of the hallway was rectangular. I walked up the stairs and walked around the corner. down one side of the long part of the hallway at the very end was a shadow of what looked like a man in a lab coat standing side ways to me. Now me being me, i figure its just the way the moon was hitting a hole in the walls or something and paid it no mind. As i started walking down the hallway toward the shadow it moved, again, im thinking just just wind blowing something around to make it move, or the closer i get to it, the lights is making it look like its moving. so i keep getting closer and it slowly starts to vanish till i finally get right up on it and its gone. so i round the next corner and start down the other side of the long part of the hallway. And the shadow had returned on the wall on the fare side of the hallway again.

Now i start to wonder. i stop and stare at this shadow thinking how am i seeing this. I start breaking it down. The moon was to my back when i started down the first hallway. Now its in front of me and still there is a shadow. i know im the only one up on the 4th floor because there is only one stair way up and the elevator (no surprise) is broken. i also know that the 4 people i was with were in the basement. and didnt follow me because it took me forever to find my way up to the 4th floor in the dark so they would have a ruff time finding it. And i could hear them from afar, at max they had made it to the first floor. So theres just me and this shadow. and it hasnt moved while im thinking all this stuff. so then i think. Ok its a homeless guy or someone else is up here with me. Now im worried for a different reason. I grab my knife and start to walk toward the shadow again. It starts to get away again. I run. round the corner, start at a dead run and round the corner to the first long hallway in which i had started. The shadow was on the other side again of the first long hallway.

Now, im not a small person, and can be out ran, but im not slow and we are talking about a long hall way, the shadow is not appearing to be bent over to catch its breath, its just standing there, side ways, but this time its looks more like its turned in a way to be looking at me while still looking to the side.

Now im really freaking out. Logic trying to grasp what is happening, failing with every try. It didnt make since. But again, me being me, logic is telling me there is a explanation, and i want to know whats going on. I force myself to get over it, and run after it. It vanishes around the corner, i turn the corner into the second long hallway and the shadow is back on the end of the second hallway. this time i didnt stop, at a dead run i chase it to the end of the hallway and around the corner again to the first hallway and right as im running to head for the other corner again, The 4 other friends that im with come up the stair and yell BRANDON!. When i tell you i almost justed out one of the broken windows to my right, im not kidding. Scared me so bad i almost attacked my friend Kris with my knife. I realized it was just my friends. and calmed down slightly. They where asking me what was wrong, as it came back to me that the shadow was still there, i run out of the room i had ran into out of fear and came back into the hallway. The shadow was gone. on both sides. I didnt understand it.

When i walked back into the room where my friends were standing, the same room i had jumped into when they scared the hell out of me. they where staring at something, i walked up to them and looked.

It was a room that has been torn down minus the floor and the entrance. In the middle of the room was a pile of ruble. Growing out of the ruble, was a dead tree. no leaves, no green. just decay. The full moon was right behind it lighting it up, with a cloudless sky. It was, by far, the most beautiful thing i have every seen in my life. the way everything was lighted, placed, just the whole thing was like looking at a dream or something. we stood there for a good 5 min just staring at it. Then i realized that we were standing in one of the rooms with the shoots that the dead bodys would have been slung down to ground level. I know this because this side of the building still had parts of the shoot still hanging on for dear life. It was like the building wanted me to see the sight. marked it with the dead tree and all the light a night could give a open space. to show me or us where it all happened.

I dont know to tell the truth. But i know what happened. No cold air, no fussy pictures, no moaning, no chains in the night. it just happened. I took a camera and was snapping shots through out the house. I wanted to take a picture of the tree in the room. But i was out of pictures in the camera. I have one picture left of that night, my and the 4 friends i was with, at the front of the buildings front door. The others where lost or distributed between the 5 of us. But i never got a picture of the tree. I wish i had because i dont know if i will ever see anything like it again.

[_mikeE]

I believe in a lot of stuff and I've had some experienes with ghosts and supernatural happenings as well. My father had had a dream where he was fighting a demon because when I was a kid for one Halloween, i dont know why, but I really liked the pumpkin (jack 'o'lantern i made at school) and I put it on the ground facing my father so I could look at it too. (in my living room back in the day, we had a futon, and a mattress sitting on the floor) and yeah...
But a lot of my brother's friends played the Quiji board thing and they all had weird occurrences like sleepwalking, or things moving around in the house, or waking up in the basement sitting in a chair and can't move (explanation is that a ghost is sitting on you), or floating from your bed, or even restrained down to your bed (i had this experience as well--and explanation is ghost sitting on you).
I have a lot more and my gf's family has a ton as well...but one very interesting one I heard was when my gf was in highschool, her class or some of her classmates were walking away from the school to go home and crossed a park but still from a distance, they saw some kind of green light emitting down from the sky and saw things shooting down from the light, and as they walked closer too approach w/e this is, the greenlight vanished. Next day, the classmates were telling people in the class/school and some others started saying, "woah you saw that too?!"

But all in all, about seeing ghosts and poltergeist and w/e, I believe it could be that you have some strange energy wave that's attracted to you that's caused by you walked through/by something, oryour own inner belief and your heart that causes you to be able to have this "sixth sense". Because all in all, we all have telekinesis however our minds don't know how to function nor trigger it. It just takes that little edge that pushes ourself to do so.

Also, I'm not sure if you've ever heard of Texas Rd. It's in Canada located in Amhestburg, its about an hour drive from where I live and people like to come here because..they're bored and want some thrill? And there are I believe 2 or 3 books written about this road where at this one barn there was 16 girls beheaded, and over this bridge in the little woods area, there was a girl who was hung, and another was where a schoolbus full of kids was murdered on that road and there's also a cemetary across the woods and people have seen lots of messed up things...

As for religion, I'm a Bhuddist, but even more so, I don't believe that our "Gods" or what you may call them. But, I don't believe in praying for their help; I believe that they are just provide us our spiritual support which gives us a sense of motivation to continue moving on in times when we feel weak and low. I believe that they are simply watching us and seeing us make the decisions that binds our life in how we structure it because that is the ultimate goal to life is in which how we turn out and what we make of it in the end.

There's more to life than to just live. (haha i don't see how this line relates to any of this but I really like this line, and felt like putting it..ofcourse until my friend mocked me and started saying "There's more to life than to just drive.")

This post has been edited by _mikeE: Jun 12, 2008 - 6:02 PM

[Havok1997GT]

i have a strange way of believing i think. I dont believe in god. but i believe in Karma. I guess because i feel that its been proven to me that Karma exists. And to be honest, I think if God came to me and spoke to me id kick the crap out of him or die trying. Because if there is a god or higher being that is sitting back watching this world kill itself, then i want nothing to do with it. Its like seeing a truck 100 miles away and not moving the baby that is sitting on the road before it hits it. If we have souls, where is his? I dont understand watching destruction and not trying to stop it. And people that say "Hes stopping it in his own way" or "its gods will that this happened" well forget that. If this world dies because humans couldnt get their **** right, fine. But if there really is a all powerful out there that just let it all happen to something it created and could have the power to stop, then i want its head on a spike. This is why i dont believe. (Free Will.....Its the greatest gag of all time. Look...But dont touch......Touch....but dont taste.......taste...dont swallow.....and while your running around in circles what is he doing? Hes laughing. Laughing his Freakin head off... worship that? HA!) < may not be a direct quote, but still one of my fav lines of all time.


Now, you want to look at something less sentient like Karma, then that i can get behind because it does not boast the ability to control, or make things happen or change things. it just is, it just moves as we move, the choice we make determine its actions. we are in control. not being controlled, or guided. That i can get behind.


Again, in no way im i trying to offened anyone. This is one of my fav topics of discution and im one of the few people i think that can have a conversation about this without letting it get heated, so i tend to run off at the mouth about it. So

im a big history buff and religion has been a study of mine for sometime know. And from what i have gathered its all man made to make us feel better about how small we really are, and to me thats lying to yourself and hinders you from seeing truth, not the truth, just truth.

Religion causes people to be and do stupid things. things that do not make since. I always thought it was funny. When a person Kills in the name of god, he is mentally ill and miss understood what religion was telling him. But when a Ozzy or Manson fan kills, its the artists fault. A, thats a double standard. B, It proves, to me atleast, and religion or belief in god or any higher being is false, because its proves that people need something to blame and something to praise. And if you go back through history, youll see where it all started to come together and people started these wild ideas. Ill bet you can trace it all the way back to cave man days.


Im not trying to start sh!t or close the thread with this comment. Im just stating how i feel about what i like to call the Typical Spiritual Idea. And how its stupid and that there could be something way bigger then what most people see or want to see. My store did not make me believe in the higher power, just that there might be something more then just black and white.

As for Bigfoot and all those guys, i dont see how something like those creatures could have stayed hiddin in this day and age. So until i see it for my self i dont believe that they could still be around, if they existed at all. But its possible.

This post has been edited by Havok1997GT: Jun 12, 2008 - 11:25 PM

[devilsden97]

...i want proof.. plan and simple. im With supersprynt on this one... unless u can walk me up to a demon, ghost, bigfoot, etc... im not believe it. your mind plays some wild games...u see/hear what u want to see and hear.


btw this threads going to be closed in 2 days max. (btw who believes in psycics?) lol

[Random_Stranger]

Supposedly, only christians (not just the title christian, but anyone who does or will eventually believe in a "God") are the ones who get to see these things. They are also the only people how can be possessed by demons as well. One "ghost" experience I had that another was lucky enough to see was when I was in the 6th grade.


We had just moved in this house across the street from my great grandma, along with other family members who lived on this street the same time. The history behind this house that I had (to be fair with any prior knowledge or stories was this) was a time 1 year before we moved there. My cousin Carmen (it was a boy) was outside of this out in the driveway with me and a friend of the neighborhood, as he lived with my great grandma across the street. The house was in an untidy condition, as the lawn was unkept, and gave a dismal feel to it. We were all laughing and talking and when things got quite, he said that house was haunted. I laughed at him and said "Yeah right foo, you only say that because of the condition it is in", and we left it at that. My mom was having trouble with my brother's dad and we left him. To keep me with friends we moved to a house nearby the school district (little did I know, they were building a new school in this area) and we ended up buying that house which was fixed up and ready to sell. With all that was going on, I never thought about a year before the condition it was in or what my cousin had told me. The 2nd day of moving all things in with my family there, my brother's dad busted into the house and stole my little brother. The family so scared did nothing and eventually later that evening he returned my little brother to home and left. The 3rd day, I was in my room drawing when I heard the doorbell ring. I went to answer the door to find 3 of my little cousins there and my cousin Roxanne who is the same age as me (which was about the age of 11 at this time). They asked if I would like to come outside and hang out, and I said "Sure, I just need to put somethings away real fast". I close the door almost all the way on them, but leave it cracked.

Now the way the house layout is from the front door, you have another set of doors to your immediate right. That was like a den area which had another set of doors that led to the hallway. There is also a window in this room. From the front door straight is where we had a piano and to the right of that wall is the hallway that leads around the den area. This hallway without the light and windows drawn is always somewhat dark. Then following the hallway down to the left is the bathroom door, further down and to the left again is my mom's bedroom. Straight ahead from the hallway is my little brother's room, and the hallway turns right and to the left is my room, following down all the way is the garage door. The den, we usually kept those doors open.

As I went to my room to put my things away, I walk from the hallway and cut through the den to the front door. As I made my way halfway through the den, I noticed I heard my feet dragging on the floor. I remember my mom telling me not to walk like that because that is how lazy people walk and so I stopped, but I heard the dragging of the feet continue. I look to my right which is where I heard it, and in the hallway I see a shadow of a short man walking down the hallway. I almost freaked out but remembered that my cousins were outside. Perhaps someone was shuffling their feet against the concrete and their reflection from outside was shinning through the closed blinds, and the little light that projected through them. Then I thought maybe one of them were in the house and trying to scared me. I get a snicker on my face as I open the front door, but the look on my face when I seen they were all there put them in worry. They quickly asked me what was wrong. I couldn't say anything out of fear, and I grabbed my cousin Roxanne and put her back to the beginning of the hallway. I am not sure what possessed me to do this, but I remember telling her "Just watch, just watch". She was looking around with a scared look on her face, and from what little shadow that outlined her body that was cast on the wall, another shadow walked out of hers and you can hear the feet dragging again as it begin back down the hallway. We both bolted out of the house to tell the rest of the family what happened.

How I felt comfortable enough to sleep after that was a mystery to me. I do recall having a dream of my great grandfather whom I never got to meet, as he passed away before I was born. After that dream, I felt more at ease living there, not sure if I believed that spirit was of him or not. Even though I got into witchcraft at an early age (5th grade), things did happen that required me to sleep with a night light til the age of 12. Laugh all you want at that, but the night of my 13th birthday and up until my 25th birthday, I began to experience sleep paralysis. You can look that up if you like, my symptoms were the sightings of demons. If you research this, you will find there are only two ways to experience sleep paralysis. One is an out of body experience, in which my dreams that took place happened in my location at that exact time of sleep. Two, is the sightings of demons, in which when I woke up from these dreams, I could not move, but felt the presence of fear within the room, along with 1-5 shadowy figures that either stood above me or walked around my room. They say the average human being may experience this 1-2 times in their life. I have experienced this over 12. The more I go to church and read the bible, the worse and more common these experiences come. I do believe in God now, but I do not go to church or read the bible because I am not willing to deal with these things in my life right now. But when I do, they come back again. Uusually when I go to church, there is a week period of bad things until the following Sunday where I decide if I am to return or not. Although when I did give my life to Christ again 2 years ago on an Easter Sunday, not so much has happened when I did go to church. Just that last episode of Sleep Paralysis on my 25th Birthday, which was my worst experience. There are more things that have happened to me, but I would rather keep that personal unless I feel comfortable to share with anyone who cares to hear it.

I have written enough as it is, and even now question if I should post this or not. Although I will go ahead and post it. Sorry, I type what I speak out in my mind or say aloud.





Just out of curiosity, how many people do you know have had a dream within the the present, to the past 5 years who has dreamed of a "Blood Moon"? What I mean by this is an object in the sky that is large, like the size of the moon, that appears to be on fire, or has this strange red aura around it and is followed by fiery rocks hailing from the sky?

From a religious stand point, this was 1 of 3 Revelations I had come to me in a dream. My cousin doesn't believe in God, nor does his mom, but she too had a dream similar to mine about this "Blood Moon". My cousin mentioned something about a planet or large star that was in a photo taken of the sun or around the sun, and this red ball in the photo was supposedly what might doom the earth in the future (possibly if prophecy is true 2012) with falling rocks. Again, even if this is true, it is not the end of the world, but there will be a major disaster "supposedly". I mentioned this to another person and they got freaked out. They said (another non-believer in God) that they heard supposedly near the end of times (For this person, rumored, as again, they do not believe) people will dream about these fiery rocks falling from the sky or something like that.


I dunno what to make of that but then again, I do not burden myself with what is not at hand. Anyways, just curious.

[Random_Stranger]

...i want proof.. plan and simple. im With supersprynt on this one... unless u can walk me up to a demon, ghost, bigfoot, etc... im not believe it. your mind plays some wild games...u see/hear what u want to see and hear.


btw this threads going to be closed in 2 days max. (btw who believes in psycics?) lol

So what's this? It isn't possible? (This isn't a ghost, but it is of supernatural nature and these things are very possible) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSLBtm__aKw


The reason why I decided to show this was because something similar to this happened with me and my ex, with two objects passing through one another without harm or any alteration to the other. It was during a fight her and I had, and we realized what had happened after we made up. Things like this happen to people more than they realize, but because it didn't have lights, a big booming voice, or was recorded, they easily forget.

I dunno if you ever experienced a miracle, but I have. Like many things in life, those who are grateful enough never forget, while those who take for granted will easily grow bored with such things. They make excuses for it and claim it was coincidence, when most people who are older come to believe that all things happen for a reason. Regardless of what you believe in.


Oh! Another one for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE_C1FXRo20&NR=1


I suppose people do believe what they want to believe, but if you ask for proof and get this, then you decide if you accept it or not. Unfortunately you will never know until it happens to you.

This post has been edited by Random_Stranger: Jun 13, 2008 - 1:15 AM

[Supersprynt]

Please stop passing off YOUTUBE videos as "proof" it's embarrassing for the human race.

[CAMAricer]

Actually, I believe science can explain some of the paranormal phenomenons that occur (like ghosts and poltergeists).

Certain areas of the earth have very strong magnetic fields. Human beings carry a certain amount of electrical charge (that is connected to our nervous system). Apparently when traumatic events occur in these special areas, an imprint of that magnetic image is left. I think the documentary explained it something in kin of how a small metal needle can become polarized when held close to a strong magnet. So in a similar fashion, the magnetic field captures the "essence" of a person, which for unexplained reasons, manifest themselves as "ghosts". These image captures occur more often during traumatic events because of the amount of electrical activity that occurs (in people) during violent/stressful events.

Sorry, I saw this on the discovery channel a few years back and don't remember what the show was called. But a quick search on google might reveal some more info on this theory (yes, it's just a theory so read it with an open mind).

As for myself, I do believe in ghosts because I myself have experience some unexplainable occurrences (one of which still spooks me today when I think about it).

EDIT* I might as well share my "experience". Once, in my old house, when I was probably 8 or 9, I slept in my living room on a couch (don't ask why). The room had two lamps, one of which was position at the end of the couch that I was sleeping on (by my feet). The other lamp was across the room. I was sleeping with the blanket partially pulled over my head when all of the sudden I was blinded by a light. I opened my eyes and stared straight out from underneath the blanket and saw no one. The lamp that was by my feet was apparently turned on (I could see the other lamp was not lit). I didn't dare peek from under my blanket, but I kept staring out from underneath the blanket towards the center of the room, hoping to see whatever it was that turned on the lamp that was at the end of the couch (by my feet). I was just a kid, no freaking way was I going to get out from underneath that blanket! After about what seemed like 30 minutes, the lamp simply turned off! I was terrified! No noise, no motion I could detect at all. It just turned off with a click. I couldn't hear anyone there, no breathing, no noise whatsoever. I stayed up for the rest of the night until enough sunlight entered through the windows for me to "safely" peek from underneath my blanket. There was nobody else in the room besides me....

I still can't explain what happened that night. Then there was another "incident" that totally freaks girls out whenever I tell them about it...

This post has been edited by CAMAricer: Jun 13, 2008 - 1:44 AM

[Random_Stranger]

Please stop passing off YOUTUBE videos as "proof" it's embarrassing for the human race.

Well if you look, they were made for YOUTUBE, they were on the news and court tv which should have some credibility for non-fiction tv, correct?

[Supersprynt]

I love the jump from "I don't know what this is" to "it must be supernatural."

[Random_Stranger]

Actually, I believe science can explain some of the paranormal phenomenons that occur (like ghosts and poltergeists).

Certain areas of the earth have very strong magnetic fields. Human beings carry a certain amount of electrical charge (that is connected to our nervous system). Apparently when traumatic events occur in these special areas, an imprint of that magnetic image is left. I think the documentary explained it something in kin of how a small metal needle can become polarized when held close to a strong magnet. So in a similar fashion, the magnetic field captures the "essence" of a person, which for unexplained reasons, manifest themselves as "ghosts". These image captures occur more often during traumatic events because of the amount of electrical activity that occurs (in people) during violent/stressful events.

Sorry, I saw this on the discovery channel a few years back and don't remember what the show was called. But a quick search on google might reveal some more info on this theory (yes, it's just a theory so read it with an open mind).

As for myself, I do believe in ghosts because I myself have experience some unexplainable occurrences (one of which still spooks me today when I think about it).

EDIT* I might as well share my "experience". Once, in my old house, when I was probably 8 or 9, I slept in my living room on a couch (don't ask why). The room had two lamps, one of which was position at the end of the couch that I was sleeping on (by my feet). The other lamp was across the room. I was sleeping with the blanket partially pulled over my head when all of the sudden I was blinded by a light. I opened my eyes and stared straight out from underneath the blanket and saw no one. The lamp that was by my feet was apparently turned on (I could see the other lamp was not lit). I didn't dare peek from under my blanket, but I kept staring out from underneath the blanket towards the center of the room, hoping to see whatever it was that turned on the lamp that was at the end of the couch (by my feet). I was just a kid, no freaking way was I going to get out from underneath that blanket! After about what seemed like 30 minutes, the lamp simply turned off! I was terrified! No noise, no motion I could detect at all. It just turned off with a click. I couldn't hear anyone there, no breathing, no noise whatsoever. I stayed up for the rest of the night until enough sunlight entered through the windows for me to "safely" peek from underneath my blanket. There was nobody else in the room besides me....

I still can't explain what happened that night. Then there was another "incident" that totally freaks girls out whenever I tell them about it...

I find it amazing that people can do this.


Ghost = Don't believe
Scientific explanation (Theory just as belief) = When the world is facing the sun at exactly 38 degrees from when it normally does, when the weather is about between 80 degrees to 90 degrees and the human has had a cold within the last 2 weeks and had plenty of protein in the diet, they are then able to see what appears to be images because of the right mixture of magnets and light flowing around the body. It would also be that they have enough iron in their blood, and the right amount of vitamin C in their diet, which allows for this to also happen and blah blah blah.....


Nobody takes things for what they are anymore when all things...... Religious or Scientific are all theories. Science does give an explanation of events that take place but with no reason for the cause. You kind of have to take both things into consideration if you want purpose within these events. Or be like an animal who doesn't give any thought to such, and just grazes off the land with only concerns of food, shelter, and breeding.

I love the jump from "I don't know what this is" to "it must be supernatural."

I am only leaving room for debate. You are the one who is stuck in one spot. That's all. I think I did list with "People will believe what they want to believe". I was only defending against what you said regarding Youtube.

If you want to get technical, Supernatural is extraordinary, correct? So if I am not sure what it is in a sense of what is ordinary, supernatural seems fitting, no?

This post has been edited by Random_Stranger: Jun 13, 2008 - 1:53 AM

[96bluevert]

btw this threads going to be closed in 2 days max.

I don't doubt it based on how it's going so far. Common guys, he just asked what all of you're opinions were on the matter. Not to try and prove how one or the other belief is wrong. Let's try something new and try to keep the thread open for a while.

[Supersprynt]

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I love the jump from "I don't know what this is" to "it must be supernatural."

I am only leaving room for debate. You are the one who is stuck in one spot. That's all. I think I did list with "People will believe what they want to believe". I was only defending against what you said regarding Youtube.

If you want to get technical, Supernatural is extraordinary, correct? So if I am not sure what it is in a sense of what is ordinary, supernatural seems fitting, no?

If by one spot you mean until I see tangible evidence that any of these things exist, then yes. No Youtube video or TV show is going to change that. They are on TV to get ratings, you want to believe everything you see on TV you go right ahead. But in the real world here, ghosts, goblins, demons and whatever hootinanny you want to talk about, needs real world evidence.

Supernatural means exactly how it sounds. SUPER NATURAL. Beyond nature, beyond the explanation of the natural world. Because you can't explain something doesn't mean it's beyond natural or beyond explanation. You simply don't know yet.

Nobody takes it for what it is anymore? You mean people don't see things and automatically jump to fantastic conclusions because after all our time on the planet we finally can explain things using our brains and technology? Religious or scientific they are all theories? Here's a big big difference. Stay with me. SCIENCE IS BASED ON OBSERVATIONS. RELIGION DOES NOT. I'm dumbfounded at the fact that you put religious theories in a basket with scientific theories.

A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.

No reason for the cause? Wouldn't that be an important part of the explanation? Wouldn't that be the most important thing that people want to know, is why did this happen? The whole point of being scientific - is NOT staying in one spot. It's always changing what you believe to be true based on what is. Based on my observations, science isn't something your very familiar with.

If by chance ghosts exist, and I became one, which I hope I would. I would do everything in my power to make people believe without a doubt. Such as forming in front of a large group of people and casually explained that I am in fact a ghost and ghosts do exist and look at all the creepy stuff I can do isn't it cool. But no you never get that you get a glimpse of something or a shadow or a cold chill or orbs of energy. Or how about bigfoot. With nearly every part of the world having this legend you'd think that maybe just maybe someone in the course of human history would stumble over some bones or a dead bigfoot because they aren't immortal. Do we have that, no. Or lets believe that the LochNess monster is in actuality a dinosaur that some how survived and has lived for hundreds of years even though the actual Loch cannot support an organism of that size.

Think critically. Stop watching TV and going on to the internet to creepyabandonedhouses.com and purchasing Oija boards that finally allow spirits to participate in board games.

EDIT: It doesn't have to be a basket. You can choose a carrying apparatus of your desire.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Jun 13, 2008 - 8:49 AM

[mrgt4]

i think im pretty much in agreement with havok, i dont beleive in god but i do think what goes around will eventualy come around, ive seen it happen to people who i knew used to be arseholes and think they where the buisness and now they are pretty much just total losers that nobody cares for.

as for ghostly things, ive only experienced one thing, i had my car parked outside my friends house in the coutryside area over the road on the edge of a massive field, i looked down and put my keys in the door(my run around non remote pug205) and looked across the field, i then for the life of me am certain i saw a man or figure stood at the front of my car out the corner of my eye.
2 seconds later it hit me that i thought someone was next to me and i looked to the front of the car and nothing was there, so i dont know if i was just tierd or what but like said before, im a very rational person and think there must be a reason for everything therefor i presume it was just a figment of my imagination due to being tired but it quite freaky eitherway..

other than that, nothing special has ever appeared to or happend to me. boring. lol

This post has been edited by mrgt4: Jun 13, 2008 - 9:16 AM

[SeverX13]

If by chance ghosts exist, and I became one, which I hope I would. I would do everything in my power to make people believe without a doubt. Such as forming in front of a large group of people and casually explained that I am in fact a ghost and ghosts do exist and look at all the creepy stuff I can do isn't it cool. But no you never get that you get a glimpse of something or a shadow or a cold chill or orbs of energy. Or how about bigfoot. With nearly every part of the world having this legend you'd think that maybe just maybe someone in the course of human history would stumble over some bones or a dead bigfoot because they aren't immortal. Do we have that, no. Or lets believe that the LochNess monster is in actuality a dinosaur that some how survived and has lived for hundreds of years even though the actual Loch cannot support an organism of that size.

Ghosts cannot think like that. Normally ghost dont even know they are what they are. most ghost are like a home video. they just keep replaying the same event over and over. but then there are ghost who understand what they are but are trapped in this other world. so they try to show themselves, and try to talk thru the EVP but they cant always do that, they need an enormous amount of energy to show themselves like that. Thats why you see glimpses of ghost, they manifest the energy but dont manifest enough so you will see some of them but then it vanishes. Think of it as lifting, you have only so much energy. so you do pull ups and you do about 10 then u start slowing down and can only do 13 until u drop. for a ghost they would be appearing in those 10 pull ups pretty clear, and then fade away by the 13th one. humans have energy, ghosts have none at all, thats why they pull in energy from around them.

Bigfoot is beleived to bury their dead like us humans. i was always a sceptic of bigfoot, until i saw him in 7th grade. and still hear him wooping and yelling to this day.

This post has been edited by SeverX13: Jun 13, 2008 - 9:50 AM

[lubu]

....Even though I got into witchcraft at an early age (5th grade), things did happen that required me to sleep with a night light til the age of 12. Laugh all you want at that, but the night of my 13th birthday and up until my 25th birthday, I began to experience sleep paralysis. ...

I remember reading this from one of the Science Mag...

Sometimes when you're asleep you unconciously move ur body parts ie. you sleep with ur hand under your chest. If this hand doesnt receive enough blood supply over an amount of time, it will die and theres noway you can save it. You dont actually ackowledge this but the brain does, it tries to wake you up by letting you see scary images like you are sorrounded by ghosts and unable to move. Do you notice that when you finally wake up one of ur body parts feels numb?

[CAMAricer]

Super, I have to totally disagree with your logic of needing tangible evidence in order to believe in something. There are many unexplainable events in this world that cannot be explain by science or by religion. At one point in time, people have no idea what gravity and magnetism were. Can you imagine what you would have sounded like to someone in the dark ages what these concepts meant? They'd think you were crazy. Also, shamans and healers back in the turn of the last millennium were believed to have special magical powers. Using special "potions" and secret formulas, chants, and prayers, they were often able to "cure" people of their ailments.

Smoking was once thought to be a healthy practice (yes, really). Global warming was once dismissed by many SCIENTISTS a few decades ago. Now everyone is on board that it is a very real problem. We take a lot of things for granted because of dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of years of knowledge accumulated by other pioneers who were mocked and ridiculed for their radical thinking. Now we under stand what gravity is. We know know what magnetism is. Modern medicine now accepts what those shamans and healers did to be sound medical practice. Smoking is universally seen as a health risk. And thanks to our former vice president's efforts, the word on global warming has finally been heeded by the public. All of the things I mentioned were things that could not be explained with tangible evidence. It had to be observed, then measured, quantified, and analyzed.

My point is: there are seemingly unexplainable forces and occurrences that happen throughout the world. Saying that you can't believe in them until you see them is a rather simple way of thinking (no offense!). It's like a person saying he doesn't believe in the power of placebos, science CANNOT explain why placebos work, and ALL scientific evidence would OBVIOUSLY point to placebos having ZERO effects (just the very definition of the word would suggest that they should not work), yet they can be PROVEN to have real effects.

I can an open mind to every idea out there as long as there some sort of scientific basis for it. Like I said before, ghosts and paranormal phenomenon all have scientific theories and explanations on why they can exist. So who knows...perhaps in a few years or a few decades, science will catch up and offer a better theory on why things like ghosts seem to exist.

Lastly, have you seen the picture of the one-horned deer? Obviously it isn't a unicorn (it's not a horse). But I'd bet 99% of people out there though unicorns were 100% made up creatures. Yet now there is a very, very real animal that looks just like that mythical creature. Perhaps these anomalies are the origins of those supposedly "made-up" animals? So, again. Things that may seem far-fetched and impossible...one way or another, science (and a little bit of luck) offers us a possible explanation for why it is indeed possible.

[manphibian]

Right, thread cleaned. The OP intends this as a serious thread so respect that. Obviously you don't have to agree with it all, just keep debate sensible.

[manphibian]

great. 4 days, no posts. Worth the drama guys?

[Supersprynt]

Didn't know you opened it up again.

[manphibian]

Yeah, a bunch of people were crying about it so i cleaned it and re-opened. Guess some people just like drama.

[Supersprynt]

Super, I have to totally disagree with your logic of needing tangible evidence in order to believe in something. There are many unexplainable events in this world that cannot be explain by science or by religion.

Religion explains nothing, should not be used to explain anything, ever. Science is something that is always changing, always evolving, thats the beauty of it. You don't know something now...you'll know it later. Everything doesn't need to be explained here and now.

I'm still trying to understand your point. You disagree about tangible evidence, but then talk about how global warming isn't tangible evident nor is gravity. Your taking things to literally. When I mean tangible evidence this includes data that can be collected and observed.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Jun 17, 2008 - 2:54 PM

[D-Man]

Ghosts,Demons,bigfoot,ufos ect, do you believe?

where the heck did religion come in?

This post has been edited by D-Man: Jun 17, 2008 - 4:07 PM

[Jen]

Religion is all astrological.

[Random_Stranger]

Well, I am going to submit in this discussion. People will believe what they want to. I just know of what is based from my own personal experiences that I only share. Of course I would not except anyone to believe me, as they would think I am maybe crazy. But I have been diagnosed with Bi-Polar, yet I have been fully checked out and there is nothing else wrong with me in my head. I do experience things and see things a scitso would have, but I am normal as the doctors say.

If you all believe we are pretty much flesh machines who just die and have no souls, then there is nothing more I can say. If you look this up though, I am curious to hear what your thoughts are. But when a person dies, all weight can be accounted for, from the waste the body puts out to everything else. Yet they cannot understand why a person loses (generally, I haven't the exact amount) an 1oz (or maybe it was in grams?) that is unaccounted for. Some people believe that is how much the soul weighs, and assume that it leaves the body.

I just find it strange that this is the only planet as we know so far, that is like ours which harbors such life. How these large rocks of mass just orbit around keeping all things balanced and in check. How just about all habitats harbor life. Indeed, this planet is mysterious.




This post has been edited by Random_Stranger: Jun 17, 2008 - 4:50 PM

[Supersprynt]

You find it strange that this is the only planet as we know so far that is like ours and has life. How is that strange? There are billions of planets and they are all millions and billions of light years away. Millions and billions of years at the speed of light.

Just think about that for a second.

So you think, that because we haven't found any other life in our extremely short time in space, you have concluded that there are souls, gods, goblins and ghosts.

[supershannon77]

Its nice to have something to believe in...if you don't believe in anything your left with nothing...not saying its ghost ufos or big foot....but im sure we all have something.


I just gotta say I Love Ghost Whisperer the show bc Jennifer Love Hewitt is amazing!! (speaking of ghost)

[97lestyousay]

I know a lot of people that had heard wierd stuff in the woods. I grew up about 20 miles from an area
called tiger canyon and a couple people claimed to have seen bigfoot. I also have a very close friend,
which I respect and trust, who also claims to have seen him, I remain sceptical. What my friend described
was a large beast standing upright, (not a bear, he has hunted and killed bear and knows what a bear looks like)
dragging some sort of carcass through a barbed wire fence, it simply vanished. He was with 2 people in a pickup
with three hunting rifles on board and he told me he was actually too terified to move. I hunted for about 20 years of my life
and never saw a cougar until about the 18th year yet there are hundreds in the areas I hunted.

[chucho]

Religion explains nothing, should not be used to explain anything, ever.

That sounds like a personal opinion. so people can use it to debate things. They just shouldnt try to debate the points w/ you because evidently you dont believe in it.

I dont believe in ghost, bigfoot, and a lot of stuff talked about in here. But I do know that God exist.

[SeverX13]

There is no doubt there is life elsewhere in the universe. With all the hubble telescope pictures of outside the milkyway galaxy (Our galaxy) of the hundreds of other galaxys, there is definatly some planet that has the same conditions as the earth. Im not saying there are weird looking creatures although it is possible but im saying there are other humans like us. I also remember reading about how scientist now beleive that there could possibly be more than 1 universe

[Havok1997GT]

I know a lot of people that had heard wierd stuff in the woods. I grew up about 20 miles from an area
called tiger canyon and a couple people claimed to have seen bigfoot. I also have a very close friend,
which I respect and trust, who also claims to have seen him, I remain sceptical. What my friend described
was a large beast standing upright, (not a bear, he has hunted and killed bear and knows what a bear looks like)
dragging some sort of carcass through a barbed wire fence, it simply vanished. He was with 2 people in a pickup
with three hunting rifles on board and he told me he was actually too terified to move. I hunted for about 20 years of my life
and never saw a cougar until about the 18th year yet there are hundreds in the areas I hunted.

Thats a good point. But there are a lot of people that also could claim to see them all the time. Sometimes it just depends on the part of the area your in and where they my stay more often. I just think more people would have seen it. That someone would find the courage to track it, or follow it without being scared of it. I know if might be hard but it always seems to me that when people sya they saw him they where so scared that they froze, or just watch him walk away and disappear. If i saw bigfoot i would try to follow him and see where he goes, or at least see how long i could follow him. I wouldnt just stair in awww or fear. my curiosity would get the better of me for sure.

[97lestyousay]

My guess is if it exists it is smarter than we are.

[_mikeE]

I know a lot of people that had heard wierd stuff in the woods. I grew up about 20 miles from an area
called tiger canyon and a couple people claimed to have seen bigfoot. I also have a very close friend,
which I respect and trust, who also claims to have seen him, I remain sceptical. What my friend described
was a large beast standing upright, (not a bear, he has hunted and killed bear and knows what a bear looks like)
dragging some sort of carcass through a barbed wire fence, it simply vanished. He was with 2 people in a pickup
with three hunting rifles on board and he told me he was actually too terified to move. I hunted for about 20 years of my life
and never saw a cougar until about the 18th year yet there are hundreds in the areas I hunted.

Thats a good point. But there are a lot of people that also could claim to see them all the time. Sometimes it just depends on the part of the area your in and where they my stay more often. I just think more people would have seen it. That someone would find the courage to track it, or follow it without being scared of it. I know if might be hard but it always seems to me that when people sya they saw him they where so scared that they froze, or just watch him walk away and disappear. If i saw bigfoot i would try to follow him and see where he goes, or at least see how long i could follow him. I wouldnt just stair in awww or fear. my curiosity would get the better of me for sure.

I would think people just stand there too much in shock and in fear to move because of the fact that the bigfoot monster could do something back if it ever noticed. Think of it this way, if you saw a tiger but it hadn't seen you yet, would you try to go after it JUST BECAUSE it was the first time you've ever seen a tiger?

[Supersprynt]

Religion explains nothing, should not be used to explain anything, ever.

That sounds like a personal opinion. so people can use it to debate things. They just shouldnt try to debate the points w/ you because evidently you dont believe in it.

I dont believe in ghost, bigfoot, and a lot of stuff talked about in here. But I do know that God exist.

You THINK God exists...there's nothing in this world which would suggest otherwise. People can debate all they want with me, unless they come armed to the teeth with a logical argument or evidence to counter my evidence, then it's really pointless to try. People want to debate with me things that they have no reason for believing and have nothing to back up their claims and yet, still continue to believe. IMO this is foolish.

There is no doubt there is life elsewhere in the universe. With all the hubble telescope pictures of outside the milkyway galaxy (Our galaxy) of the hundreds of other galaxys, there is definatly some planet that has the same conditions as the earth. Im not saying there are weird looking creatures although it is possible but im saying there are other humans like us. I also remember reading about how scientist now beleive that there could possibly be more than 1 universe

I doubt they'd be human - we're a result of random mutations best characteristics. Intelligent possibly, look like us? Doubtful, but not impossible.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Jun 18, 2008 - 8:09 AM

[SeverX13]

Religion explains nothing, should not be used to explain anything, ever.

That sounds like a personal opinion. so people can use it to debate things. They just shouldnt try to debate the points w/ you because evidently you dont believe in it.

I dont believe in ghost, bigfoot, and a lot of stuff talked about in here. But I do know that God exist.

Im sorry but how can you beleive in god who is this mysterious being that lives in heaven (a place you must die to get into) and not beleive that ghosts are real? Jesus rose from the dead and went and talked to his disiples right?. So a man just died and some how appears to his followers. idk sounds like a ghost to me

[chucho]

Religion explains nothing, should not be used to explain anything, ever.

That sounds like a personal opinion. so people can use it to debate things. They just shouldnt try to debate the points w/ you because evidently you dont believe in it.

I dont believe in ghost, bigfoot, and a lot of stuff talked about in here. But I do know that God exist.

You THINK God exists...there's nothing in this world which would suggest otherwise. People can debate all they want with me, unless they come armed to the teeth with a logical argument or evidence to counter my evidence, then it's really pointless to try. People want to debate with me things that they have no reason for believing and have nothing to back up their claims and yet, still continue to believe. IMO this is foolish.

There is no doubt there is life elsewhere in the universe. With all the hubble telescope pictures of outside the milkyway galaxy (Our galaxy) of the hundreds of other galaxys, there is definatly some planet that has the same conditions as the earth. Im not saying there are weird looking creatures although it is possible but im saying there are other humans like us. I also remember reading about how scientist now beleive that there could possibly be more than 1 universe

I doubt they'd be human - we're a result of random mutations best characteristics. Intelligent possibly, look like us? Doubtful, but not impossible.

There's plenty of things to suggest it. But your not going to hear it. Your just gonna say its being stretched to further my purpose. And I wasnt trying to convence you. I said thats your opinion that people cant use religion as a debating point. How can you as one person say you cant debate using religion? Just because you dont believe doenst mean others cant use things they believe it. Its just pointless for them to try to use them on you because your just gonna say whatever you want to say and block out anything they tell you because the Bible isnt a backing for anything in your mind.

Where is this proof that we're random mutations? Now your just making accusations becuase scientist can't prove that we mutated from another species. They tried to say the native people of New Zealand were the block between us and monkeys and that didnt pan out to anything.

[chucho]

Religion explains nothing, should not be used to explain anything, ever.

That sounds like a personal opinion. so people can use it to debate things. They just shouldnt try to debate the points w/ you because evidently you dont believe in it.

I dont believe in ghost, bigfoot, and a lot of stuff talked about in here. But I do know that God exist.

Im sorry but how can you beleive in god who is this mysterious being that lives in heaven (a place you must die to get into) and not beleive that ghosts are real? Jesus rose from the dead and went and talked to his disiples right?. So a man just died and some how appears to his followers. idk sounds like a ghost to me

Ghost and souls are two different things. As someone said earlier they have no thought or recognation of anything. They're just in a state "trance" I guess. The whole thing with Jeus raising from the grave is because He was perfect and could not be held by the grave. Also says that the dead came out of the ground and sat on their tombs. But that doesnt mean they were ghost. Ghost are inbetween two different worlds. And no where in the Bible it says their is a between state; even though catholics believe in purgady?. That answer your question? Ghost live on earth and Christinaity teaches passed souls go to heaven or hell.

[Supersprynt]

Random mutations have been witnessed, and recorded.

The Bible, a book that assumes the existence of god CANNOT be used to prove the existence of god. This is fundamental.

This thread needs to be locked it's just going to get worse from here.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Jun 18, 2008 - 10:11 AM

[DEATH]

Can't we just agree to leave religion out of this conversation rather than lock the thread again? Both science and Christianity both claim Ghosts are fake anyway.

[CAMAricer]

Stay on topic people, or this is gonna get shut down again.

Did you happen to miss my point about the unicorn? An explanation to the unexplainable?

I am a person of science and so everything I do (for a living) depends on my ability to believe in what I do (which is medicine). If I can't believe in how medicine works, then I can't willingly sell it in good conscience. Yet, many drugs work in ways we cannot understand yet. But it works. We can measure the results in terms of X amount of patients being healed and Y number of patients becoming worse. But after all is said and done, if a patient comes to me and asks me how this drug works, all I can answer is with a, "I don't know. I believe it works like this..." Eventually science will figure out why this drug works. But until it does, the power in which is works is still based solely on belief.

Now there have been numerous clinical trials where the power of faith has been tested to see if it can heal people of their ailments and disease. This refers back to my earlier reference of placebos. These trials were done in the same scientific manners as "real" drugs, with the results being recorded and analyzed in the same way. And the results show that, yes it works. People who have faith have been shown to heal better than people who did not have faith. Science backed up religion with the data (in these trials), but science could not explain it either.

It can be hard if not impossible for a religious person to reconcile his beliefs with profession (like me). But I have comes to terms with both because neither one can disprove the other. I understand your point of view (it's sort of like having a cynical view of the world, assume the worse until proven otherwise). I, on the other hand, see things more optimistically, assume the best until proven otherwise.

The unexplainable is often seen only as unexplainable in the eyes of science. Religion, the paranormal, the supernatural all try to offer an explanation (not proof!) to the unexplainable.

Super, I have to totally disagree with your logic of needing tangible evidence in order to believe in something. There are many unexplainable events in this world that cannot be explain by science or by religion.

Religion explains nothing, should not be used to explain anything, ever. Science is something that is always changing, always evolving, thats the beauty of it. You don't know something now...you'll know it later. Everything doesn't need to be explained here and now.

I'm still trying to understand your point. You disagree about tangible evidence, but then talk about how global warming isn't tangible evident nor is gravity. Your taking things to literally. When I mean tangible evidence this includes data that can be collected and observed.

[D-Man]

Unicorn could be real... Suppose a horse and a deer got bussy, then the baby would have antlers... so if gene mixing made the baby not quite geniticaly stable it could make a unicorn. a horse with a horn.

What about a pegasis though? Eagle w/ a horse?

This post has been edited by D-Man: Jun 18, 2008 - 11:01 AM

[Jeunesse]

Well, all I know and believe is there is a supreme being out there, no matter what it looks like, or what you people believe it looks like. Might be the father of Jesus, Buddha, etc. And also religion is a not a bad thing IMO. It actually helps us to be a better person. All these sacred writings are to rule and govern our faith and we are taught to believe in the wise dispensation which strengthens our faith and let lets us act as the right reason prompts us, cultivate harmony, practice charity and live in peace with all men. And ahmmm debates about religion is endless, just respect what others believe in to, they are not forcing you to believe in what they believe in anyway. Ghosts, goblins, monster, I don't believe though I know there's beasts on some of the members' cars here.

[lagos]

Well, all I know and believe is there is a supreme being out there, no matter what it looks like, or what you people believe it looks like. Might be the father of Jesus, Buddha, etc.

Its kind of funny, because even if you listen to scientists talk (people who normally dont believe in religion), they believe that everything came from the singularity theory. Aka, a god.

Sometimes I stop and think how odd it is that we are on this planet, living our lives, with no clue as to how all this really came to be, and whats beyond our universe. Religion tries to explain it, but lets face it...all religion is man made. The truth is, we really dont know.

[Supersprynt]

Singular doesn't mean omnipotent, omnipresent being, like god does.

[SeverX13]

Well, all I know and believe is there is a supreme being out there, no matter what it looks like, or what you people believe it looks like. Might be the father of Jesus, Buddha, etc.

Its kind of funny, because even if you listen to scientists talk (people who normally dont believe in religion), they believe that everything came from the singularity theory. Aka, a god.

Sometimes I stop and think how odd it is that we are on this planet, living our lives, with no clue as to how all this really came to be, and whats beyond our universe. Religion tries to explain it, but lets face it...all religion is man made. The truth is, we really dont know.

x2, i think about that alot. It bugs me though because i really want to know the answers.

look at this

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...l%3Den%26sa%3DN

those are all galaxies! all can possible harbor life. over 50,000 galaxies. this is a hubble telescope image. so some random guy did not make the picture.

haha just lookin at it leaves me in awe

[lubu]

Our understanding abt the universe is still very young, although we try hard to grasp whats happening around us but we can only explain so much. According to science the BigBang happened 4 billion yrs ago and we (as human) walk the earth for only some thousands of years, Im sure there are other beings outthere whos age (as a race) are well over millions of years, watching over us, studying our ways of life...

The Matrix anyone?

[Supersprynt]

We're children in the deep end.

[lagos]

Singular doesn't mean omnipotent, omnipresent being, like god does.

Yeah, but thats religions take on it.
My point was that scientists and religion both agree that we came from ONE thing/person/god/whatever.
http://www.big-bang-theory.com/

[x_itchy_b_x]

He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know.
all is one.

[GriffGirl]

I'm not here to debate it, to me there really isn't any debate, it's all subjective to your own experiences. But I will say I'm more w/Random's first post on this one - I've had experiences but for me, they're pretty personal and not something I'm going to just blast out to a bunch of people I don't know. I'll just go as far as to say I've had enough "weird" sh*t happen, starting at a very young age, and frequently enough that it's not weird any more. I've been able to verify stuff, validate stuff, whatever. It's been indisputable. All I know is whether it's God, religion, a giant omnipotent hairless cat. What ever, there's something out there.

[SeverX13]

I'm not here to debate it, to me there really isn't any debate, it's all subjective to your own experiences. But I will say I'm more w/Random's first post on this one - I've had experiences but for me, they're pretty personal and not something I'm going to just blast out to a bunch of people I don't know. I'll just go as far as to say I've had enough "weird" sh*t happen, starting at a very young age, and frequently enough that it's not weird any more. I've been able to verify stuff, validate stuff, whatever. It's been indisputable. All I know is whether it's God, religion, a giant omnipotent hairless cat. What ever, there's something out there.

i gladly tell people the weird stuff that happens to me, but there was one experience that is just to personal for me to share with anyone but a my close friends

[DEATH]

Dude - tell me you have a nymphomaniac female ghost living at your house who molests you every night - that's been a dream of mine for years and it would be nice to know such things exist

[Havok1997GT]

Dude - tell me you have a nymphomaniac female ghost living at your house who molests you every night - that's been a dream of mine for years and it would be nice to know such things exist

WHERE DO YOU COME UP WITH THIS STUFF!?


Look, When things start getting to do with believe in ghosts people are automatically going to argue Gods existence because a lot of people believe that they are connected and in a lot of beliefs they are. I dont think anyone is (and if you are you need to calm the hell down because its not that serious) starting fights here, its just talking.

I have spent many years studying religion. The history and the mythology. And out of all of it the simple truth is that religion is man made. Proof of that is simply that God or whatever didnt come down and influence billions of people to come up with 100 different beliefs. If its man made, then how can it be real? If its really then why does it change? if it was fact then if would never change. You can say that people interpret it differently but then its no longer fact. Science has fact and theory. When its fact its proven. when its theory, its worked and studied till its fact. And has proof to back it up. Its not placed in a book, scroll, rock or whatever unless it has the proof behind it to back it up. Not that classic religious argument that is " well it just is real"

You can trace religion back to one person almost everytime. That one person could have been insane and wrote a religion down and because people were getting tired of what they had so far and liked what the other guy was saying it started a cult, then because it grow it because a religion. Their are homless people ive seen that swear the God talks to them. Why doesnt anyone listen to them? What makes them different the Christ? Why wouldnt God talk to them?

[SeverX13]

ok i say we get off of the religion thing. itll make some people upset and possibly get locked again haha. so how about some bigfoot talk now. we havent said much about that. Anyone have experiences with bigfoot?

[Sh0gunkid8721]

Dude - tell me you have a nymphomaniac female ghost living at your house who molests you every night - that's been a dream of mine for years and it would be nice to know such things exist

It happened in Ghostbusters I

[DEATH]

Dude - tell me you have a nymphomaniac female ghost living at your house who molests you every night - that's been a dream of mine for years and it would be nice to know such things exist

WHERE DO YOU COME UP WITH THIS STUFF!?

Dude - tell me you have a nymphomaniac female ghost living at your house who molests you every night - that's been a dream of mine for years and it would be nice to know such things exist

It happened in Ghostbusters I

Well I saw this made for tv movie back when I was a preteen about a woman on Long Island who was molested nightly by a ghost - True story according to her and Hans Holzer. I also recently read a passage in one of his books concerning her case [Personally I can't stand his writing and if you ever do read his stuff skip the first chapter cause it's all about him and his amazing knowledge and abilities and blah blah blah...

[D-Man]

yeah, i dislike self-proclaimed "Super" men. (meaning they have above average talents and they are better than you )

They piss me off b/c i'm a fcukin genus. j/k

Oh, and back on the topic of ghosts, In the 50's people would travel claiming they were "Ghost-hunters" of sorts, and said that ghosts were invisible, and the only way to see them was in the "magic" of photography. So (if any of you have taken photography in h/s you'll know what i'm talking about) they'd under expose pictures in their camera; usualy of civil war veterins or children; rewind the film, then take pictures of people's houses, and it would make that gastly, half taken picture of a veterin seem to be standing at attention behind people, or children jumping rope in the basement, ect. Then the people would make mental connections; ex: "Oh, my grandfather fought in the civil war, he must be protecting the house" or "My neice dyed when she was 8, she must be trying to stay close to family"

Then these "Ghost hunters" would charge a fortune to "Expel" the ghost; and using a new roll of film, they could "Confirm" the "ghosts" were gone.

Big ass money making hoax.

Just a though...

This post has been edited by D-Man: Jun 19, 2008 - 8:34 AM

[SeverX13]

The ghosthunter (TAPS) dont charge a dime to come in and investigate. They acctually go into the house tryin to disprove the supposive "haunting"

[D-Man]

ah, but they get "Ratings"

The currency of television programs

[GriffGirl]

On the Bigfoot topic - that's a big thing around here, too. I think it's kind of a big thing anywhere that's got heavily wooded rural areas. Oh wait, it's Sasquatch here.

Anyway, I have a hard time swallowing that one. It's fair to say my own beliefs are subjective to my own experiences though.

[DEATH]

The ghosthunter (TAPS) dont charge a dime to come in and investigate. They acctually go into the house tryin to disprove the supposive "haunting"

First let me say I def believe in ghosts [I've seen one first hand] - but your statement above isn't very well thought out. Sure they don't charge the person - because of that person the network pay them to go "invistigate". The show is making money for the network by advertisement during the show. So you see - everyone is getting paid. It's not like they are doing this out of the kindness of their own hearts.
And personally I think that show is BS - it's like the man drama car tuner shows only with "ghosts".

[D-Man]

On the Bigfoot topic - that's a big thing around here, too. I think it's kind of a big thing anywhere that's got heavily wooded rural areas. Oh wait, it's Sasquatch here.

Anyway, I have a hard time swallowing that one. It's fair to say my own beliefs are subjective to my own experiences though.

IDK griff, that one is believeable to me. Sure, it may not be some mystic creature; but it could be like a deformed giant retarted half man half bear thing; and its been called theese names for so many years. Just like the ambomible snow-man, i think theese things are bears... or half human/half bear's...

Sure there is a logical explination, but it's possible that one exists.

woo hash

If you dont know; dont ask me to explain it to you

[Havok1997GT]

I just dont see how its possible for a ceature like that to stay hidden in the US for so long without anyone shotting it, or getting a really good picture of it, or finding its cave or whatever. If this was like in the Rain Forest then i would totally be behind the idea. Hell, they are still finding new creatures in the Rain forest and all over South America. But in the States? i just dont think so.

Hey Sever how about we add this to your thread. Anyone believe that Zombies could happen?

[D-Man]

2 words my friend

Biological warfare

EDIT: 2 words, not 3

This post has been edited by D-Man: Jun 20, 2008 - 4:34 PM

[97lestyousay]

On the Bigfoot topic - that's a big thing around here, too. I think it's kind of a big thing anywhere that's got heavily wooded rural areas. Oh wait, it's Sasquatch here.

Anyway, I have a hard time swallowing that one. It's fair to say my own beliefs are subjective to my own experiences though.

Yes sasquatch is very important to the tourism industry here in the NW so lets not dispell the myth just yet.lol

[SeverX13]

Hey Sever how about we add this to your thread. Anyone believe that Zombies could happen?

sounds good haha. i have no idea if it would or not. I read the Zombie Survival Guide book and in the back it suposivly had accounts of someones encounter with a zombie. haha I remember my freshmen year i got so bored with school for every period of the day i had an escape route and foreign object i would use to defend myself with haha. i think i still ahve teh paper in my room haha

[Havok1997GT]

that book is awesome, Has some really good ideas, dont know if the stories are true but i found some info on the net about the Virus they mention in the book, most likley thats garbage too, but even still the theory is sound.


I believe it could very well happen. but not like random living dead. But like 28 days later style. That is so possible.

[CAMAricer]

For those who haven't read this survival guide book, in the event of a global zombie outbreak, the best weapon to have is a sword, the best mode of transportation is a bike, and whatever you do, don't give monologues while standing near a door/window/glass/opening with your back towards it...that's the equivalent of walking into a redneck bar holding hands with another dude and wearing matching rainbow color shirts and short shorts: you're just asking for trouble.

Don't know about the rest of you fellas but I'm all stocked, locked, and ready to go if such a viral outbreak should occur (played too much RE )

that book is awesome, Has some really good ideas, dont know if the stories are true but i found some info on the net about the Virus they mention in the book, most likley thats garbage too, but even still the theory is sound.


I believe it could very well happen. but not like random living dead. But like 28 days later style. That is so possible.

[Havok1997GT]

no way dude, Sword is no good, Even with a Katana you would still have to swing it pretty hard to cut through the neck and bone, and if you try to hack at the head it could get stuck in the skull, then you got to pull it out and while you trying to free your weapon your over run. also you have to think how hard it would be to find a Real sword, not a replica. Guns are your best option, 1 pistol(2 if you are a good shot with both hands) Shotgun (no scater shoot) or rifle(scoped, need to stay away from auto, waist of ammo) a Crowbar(Multi purpose and light weight) a Mashetti ( for cutting through forest and a good weapon when face a few Zombies) and a good knife for all other cutting needs.

[CAMAricer]

Nah, sword is def the way to go. Here's why:

1) Unlimited ammo (never runs out unless it gets dull)
2) Dependable (won't jam or needs to be reloaded)
3) Durable (folded forged steel)

Guns are great, but you will eventually run out of ammo, which will leave you screwed. Crowbars are good, but too heavy and unwieldy to be used as a weapon effectively. A mashetti is okay but it's nothing compared to a katana in terms of distance and control. As for having to swing hard with the katana, any bladed weapon will need to be swung hard to cut through bone and flesh. Sportscience actually tested all sorts of weapons and found out that the katana is actually the ideal weapon of choice (excellent power, good killing distance, exquisite control). And it is easier to decapitate someone with a katana than it may seem. But yeah, it'll be hard to find a real one. Even replica/functional swords can costs a few hundred on ebay.

no way dude, Sword is no good, Even with a Katana you would still have to swing it pretty hard to cut through the neck and bone, and if you try to hack at the head it could get stuck in the skull, then you got to pull it out and while you trying to free your weapon your over run. also you have to think how hard it would be to find a Real sword, not a replica. Guns are your best option, 1 pistol(2 if you are a good shot with both hands) Shotgun (no scater shoot) or rifle(scoped, need to stay away from auto, waist of ammo) a Crowbar(Multi purpose and light weight) a Mashetti ( for cutting through forest and a good weapon when face a few Zombies) and a good knife for all other cutting needs.

[SeverX13]

But yeah, it'll be hard to find a real one. Even replica/functional swords can costs a few hundred on ebay.

My friends grandfather has a sword from japan with blood still on the blade. i guess in WWII the japanese still had their katanas on them in battle. and he picked one up on the field

[D-Man]

Okay, We're talking about swords; My .02Cents is a-coming.

(Keep in mind i collect weapons, Primarily Ninja & Samurai style Swords; And Guns) Ask Death, he's seen everything that's not in storage.

Jin-Taquai, (Spelled many ways in english, Best spelling for pronunciation) Would be HANDS-DOWN the pick for a zombie battle. Extra long blade, 2 handed, Balanced for Pivot ((Power)) Slices. Designed for smaller Men, and Warrior Women (Usually Ninja), to achieve the power that Muscle-bound Samurai had in the same slice/swing. Mine is 1280 stainless And red w/ wooden sheath.

2 Katana method; Not recommended!! You'll not have the power & concentration needed to overcome a swarm of zombie, and be tackled eventually.

also, I'm all about building the armored bus w/ insanly creative weapons to drive threw crowds of zombie, and living in various mall's. (Dawn of the Dead)

BUT!! in addition to swords, You NEED to keep at minimum a pistol on your side just in case you need a quick shot, or need to hit something far away. I pref the shotty, but at least keep the pistol.

And i'll leave you guys with that...

This post has been edited by D-Man: Jun 23, 2008 - 10:48 AM

[DEATH]

"Which brings me to my next point kids...Don't...Smoke...Crack"

[Supersprynt]

LOL. <3 LT.