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[easternpiro1]

Hey guys, thought i would post what ive been up to the past couple of days. Been having some crazy outside issues (dont worry guys in the f/s feeler i didnt forget u)
i made it naked in record time with just a few things left in there.

so i guess we all know whats next...right?













BABY OIL GREASIN HER UP FTW! LOL!



next up...





its in georgia now, and tweak will be doing the wiring and oversight of the swap. lets pray the motor isnt ruined!

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Sep 13, 2009 - 7:06 PM

[DEATH]

Sweet matt! When'd you drop her off?
Don't worry that Engine will be fine

[easternpiro1]

monday! tweak would have been there but i didnt get the email to call him before i got there, we would have did the pose again!

[easternpiro1]

Got some updates guys! the car has been at Souther car customs for a few weeks, and its my turn to be the car of focus for the week. I found out that the bolts that go into the tranny were stripped or broken off, and unrepairable, i opted for a newer tranny here is the rest of what i was told (i dont feel like typing the whole thing so imma cut and paste )

We got the new Tranny into today as well as the axles. We opened up the old transmission today and found some bad news the clutch plate is shot and when I say shot I mean shot. Attached are some pictures of the clutch. So we are going to need to get the flywheel resurfaced. The Clutch plate replaced and we also had to get new AC lines and an AC Compressor b/c yours are damaged. I received the the mount inserts and the mounts that needed replacing are supposed to arrive from toyota tomorrow. If we can get some answers soon we can still get this engine in the car by tomorrow. I heard from my friend in canada and they finished the Manifold and are shipping it out to arrive here tomorrow.

i also found out that i will need new ac compressor and lines and a few other things pertaining to a crack in an area where the bolts are supposed to go into the block from the mainifold and im praying that it wont give a problem later. i have pics of it and i will give you guys an update later today or tomorrow about those cracks.



I contacted teh place where i got the clutch from and found out that since it was over a year, it was out of warranty although the accident happened 3 months later. (but they sent me the wrong one! NOT A STAGE 2 LIKE I ASKED) i was told its an iron man from comp clutches. JUST ABOVE stock clutch. the flywheel will be resurfaced also

THIS IS ONLY 3 MONTHS OF WEAR ON THE CLUTCH










tell me what you guys think!

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Aug 12, 2008 - 4:03 PM

[D-Man]

tell me what you guys think!

I think you've torn that 3 month clutch into sh!t.

This post has been edited by D-Man: Aug 12, 2008 - 4:13 PM

[easternpiro1]

tell me what you guys think!

I think you've torn that 3 month clutch into sh!t.

it couldnt handle the power. i was putting down almost 270 whp no upgrades. just front mount

[D-Man]

hey, i'm not sayin you did a bad job, infact, i dont think i've ever seen one f-ed so bad Upgrade my-friend, Upgrade

[Taskbot]

Best clutch ever!

[easternpiro1]

Here are more pics, these are teh pics of the block where some screws cracked the area on the block. does anybody know if this is detremental to the engine?

[DEATH]

It can't be good bro but from the pics it doesn't look like it went into the actual block itself. Maybe the Doc can weld up some ribs there [Or maybe that's an incredibly bad idea IDK]. This kind of thing is hard to say one way or another - very few engines are worth transplanting after a wreck, unlike yours which is IMO - so no real experience or hearsay to go by
Good God Man!!!! - WTF did you do to that clutch, Matt? LOL - Man pony up the $$$ and get a damn ACT stage 2 and be done with it or at least 3 years - not 3 months LOL. Weren't you just learnng manual at the time as well? And launch control at the track? And ST-215 power?
Just get the ACT - you never hear any bad stuff about their clutches and I persoanlly have beat several stage 2's for both 5s and 3s to hell and they have never failed on me - ever.

[easternpiro1]

It can't be good bro but from the pics it doesn't look like it went into the actual block itself. Maybe the Doc can weld up some ribs there [Or maybe that's an incredibly bad idea IDK]. This kind of thing is hard to say one way or another - very few engines are worth transplanting after a wreck, unlike yours which is IMO - so no real experience or hearsay to go by
Good God Man!!!! - WTF did you do to that clutch, Matt? LOL - Man pony up the $$$ and get a damn ACT stage 2 and be done with it or at least 3 years - not 3 months LOL. Weren't you just learnng manual at the time as well? And launch control at the track? And ST-215 power?
Just get the ACT - you never hear any bad stuff about their clutches and I persoanlly have beat several stage 2's for both 5s and 3s to hell and they have never failed on me - ever.

actually, it was my second clutch. i had already learned how on that one but it was just a step above stock and they told me it was a comp stage2. i didnt realize it until the motor came out and teh guys at scc showed me.

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Aug 13, 2008 - 11:54 AM

[playr158]

Apparently DEATH missed the part where there were issues with SPEC cluthes for awhile (i believe even itchy blew one up if not 2)
But a quality clutch plate makes a night and day difference


Matt are those cracks/damage done where the front motor mount bolts to the engine?

This post has been edited by playr158: Aug 13, 2008 - 12:11 PM

[x_itchy_b_x]

yeah blew two spec clutches up. blew the rivets out each time. now I'm running a full face kevlar/carbon composite clutch master disc and its mint. but going 6 puck for the mr2.

the clutch is toast lol. NICE!

[easternpiro1]

Apparently DEATH missed the part where there were issues with SPEC cluthes for awhile (i believe even itchy blew one up if not 2)
But a quality clutch plate makes a night and day difference


Matt are those cracks/damage done where the front motor mount bolts to the engine?

hey dan! nah, they were where the manifold bolts in i believe. I ordered a comp stage 2 clutch but come to find out that it was the iron man series (just a step above) today i called the place i got the work done and the place they got the clutch but to no avail. too long ago.

i am getting new clutch and throw out bearing along with the whole shabang because the pressure plate is messed up.
its a street Series Clutch Kit - Stage 2.5 - Carbon Kevlar - Includes a performance pressure plate, a high torque sprung disc with antiburst steel backed Carbon Kevlar facings, including all the bearings i need For aggressive street use and moderate track use - according to what i read it should provide approximately 80% increase in torque capacity -

[pitcelica]

Hi, do not worry about those cracks... Simply do not use your A/C compressor. I'll post some pics of my block, they are the same as yours and I do not had any issues with it. My block cam from an accidented Caldina... But do not worry about theses cracks. I'll get the pics of my block soon to show you. They are near the same as yours.

[x_itchy_b_x]

Apparently DEATH missed the part where there were issues with SPEC cluthes for awhile (i believe even itchy blew one up if not 2)
But a quality clutch plate makes a night and day difference


Matt are those cracks/damage done where the front motor mount bolts to the engine?

hey dan! nah, they were where the manifold bolts in i believe. I ordered a comp stage 2 clutch but come to find out that it was the iron man series (just a step above) today i called the place i got the work done and the place they got the clutch but to no avail. too long ago.

i am getting new clutch and throw out bearing along with the whole shabang because the pressure plate is messed up.
its a street Series Clutch Kit - Stage 2.5 - Carbon Kevlar - Includes a performance pressure plate, a high torque sprung disc with antiburst steel backed Carbon Kevlar facings, including all the bearings i need For aggressive street use and moderate track use - according to what i read it should provide approximately 80% increase in torque capacity -

make sure its a one piece disk and not two pieces with rivets. i don't know if they fixed that yet. they should have.

[lagos]

nice shirt.

[DEATH]

nice shirt.

My favorite was the nut grab shot LOL

And yeah i must have been MIA when Spec had thier issues but for some reason I've never trusted the brand anyway [For my money there is no reason not to go with ACT]

[easternpiro1]

yeah blew two spec clutches up. blew the rivets out each time. now I'm running a full face kevlar/carbon composite clutch master disc and its mint. but going 6 puck for the mr2.

the clutch is toast lol. NICE!

LOL! I know right?!? i couldnt belive it!!! they said it was kevlar faced comp clutch. Doc told me when i first got the swap to stay away from puck clutches... i wonder why? (besides the fact that at the time i was just learnign stick?)

Hi, do not worry about those cracks... Simply do not use your A/C compressor. I'll post some pics of my block, they are the same as yours and I do not had any issues with it. My block cam from an accidented Caldina... But do not worry about theses cracks. I'll get the pics of my block soon to show you. They are near the same as yours.

Ah thanks man! i found out the cracks were actually where a portion of a bracket that supports the turbo was bolted in. i thought it was the exhaust manifold. couldnt tell from the pic.

Apparently DEATH missed the part where there were issues with SPEC cluthes for awhile (i believe even itchy blew one up if not 2)
But a quality clutch plate makes a night and day difference


Matt are those cracks/damage done where the front motor mount bolts to the engine?

hey dan! nah, they were where the manifold bolts in i believe. I ordered a comp stage 2 clutch but come to find out that it was the iron man series (just a step above) today i called the place i got the work done and the place they got the clutch but to no avail. too long ago.

i am getting new clutch and throw out bearing along with the whole shabang because the pressure plate is messed up.
its a street Series Clutch Kit - Stage 2.5 - Carbon Kevlar - Includes a performance pressure plate, a high torque sprung disc with antiburst steel backed Carbon Kevlar facings, including all the bearings i need For aggressive street use and moderate track use - according to what i read it should provide approximately 80% increase in torque capacity -

make sure its a one piece disk and not two pieces with rivets. i don't know if they fixed that yet. they should have.

I will be sure to ask. what happened with the two piece specifically?

[easternpiro1]

[enderswift]

oh baby!

[pitcelica]

What kind of turbo upgrade are you doing, what kind of psi you will run, let me know!

[x_itchy_b_x]

these are different clutches

[easternpiro1]

What kind of turbo upgrade are you doing, what kind of psi you will run, let me know!

i will be running a garrett t3/t4 turbo Custom Manifold (Stainless, Tig Welded, For T3/T4 50 TRIM ) before i got the upgrade, i had the stock turbo (ct20b) and it was @ 15lbs Hopefully i can get 20 (MAYBE more?) but i wont push it for now will find out when we tune it soon. im looking to be in the 330-350whp range. i was already making 266whp so hopefully with the minor add ons, i can conservatively get some more, after that, maybe down the road, i will upgrade fuel rail, cams (if i cant get a hold of the aftermarket company) herbalife has some but i cant contact him.

would you know a company pit?

oh...btw....update!

[easternpiro1]

these are different clutches

woah dude! how?!?

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Aug 24, 2008 - 6:16 PM

[pitcelica]

for the cam gears : HKS, Fidanza, ATS, any gen 2 3SGTE aftermarket cam gear will works. I suggest ATS for the price and the quality. I suggest fidanza for their very lightweight pulley (but not as strong as ATS and they are more pricey).

[x_itchy_b_x]

To answer your pm, its kinda of a two part answer. yes and no about still using the s54. YES i will use another s54 in the celica for a stock gen2 3sgte. it holds the power fine. NO for my built 3sgte i will not be using an s54, i will be using the stock mr2 e153.

[zero07]

Good stuff!

[DEATH]

Damn - can't wait and fingers crossed for you Bro. I thought those cracked bolt holes were for that Turbo support mount but couldn't be sure from the pics. That's cool - gonna need something to support it tho. I'm hoping everything else works out fine for you.

[easternpiro1]

for the cam gears : HKS, Fidanza, ATS, any gen 2 3SGTE aftermarket cam gear will works. I suggest ATS for the price and the quality. I suggest fidanza for their very lightweight pulley (but not as strong as ATS and they are more pricey).

I will definately take not of that! Thanks! i wasnt sure if they needed to be modded a bit to fit 4th gens. i remember herbalife teling me you had to modify either the cams or the fuel rail. cant remember.

To answer your pm, its kinda of a two part answer. yes and no about still using the s54. YES i will use another s54 in the celica for a stock gen2 3sgte. it holds the power fine. NO for my built 3sgte i will not be using an s54, i will be using the stock mr2 e153.

Oh cool! for some reason i was thinking you were changing s54 trannys the way you change hot dates! and yes itchy...you are a traitor! lol but im beginning to realize fwd ftl is true...the nissan guys are trying to get me to buy a 240.

Damn - can't wait and fingers crossed for you Bro. I thought those cracked bolt holes were for that Turbo support mount but couldn't be sure from the pics. That's cool - gonna need something to support it tho. I'm hoping everything else works out fine for you.

thanks man! i think they were for the turbo support mount though... but pit says i will be fine i will take a closer look when i get there. all i need now is to send in my shifter cables, the radiator, the wastegate along with the fpr and i should be good! so hopefully within the week or next week!

[DEATH]

Update or ban!

[easternpiro1]

Update or ban!

look what i got in yesterday!





Celicab gave me a gt radiator with the fans like a month or so ago, (THANKS SO MUCH BRO! ) but i started thinking, man, i dont want to run into any cooling issues since i will be running a larger turbo. already have the must have AEM UEGO. also will be getting an aeromotive FPR 1:1 and a greddy emanage blue, after that i should be all set as far as motor upgrade!

i was thinking about electronic boost controller, but i will keep my manual for now.

hope to have the car back by next week sometime. i think the dyno guy comes in only saturdays, so maybe next weekend?

anyone have suggestions for later on? (water injection on the list) lowering springs, and checking on my control arm bushings also ( i KNOW they will give out.)

and yes those are seats and a sunroof and door panels and yes theyre for sale (will make thread later )

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Aug 27, 2008 - 12:23 PM

[DEATH]

Sweet! Nice upgrade. Watch that overflow spout - mine broke very easily and trying to find someone willing to weld it back on without warping the cap's mounting surface has been terrible. The welds on the spout looked good but when I tried to pull of the simple rubber tube it broke right off with little or no resistance.

[GT4KNG]

tell me what you guys think!

I think you've torn that 3 month clutch into sh!t.

i think that you were dumping the clutch too much thats what will happene it doesnt effect how much power you have it might slightly but a clutch is a clutch but if you were dumping it that what will happene
if you put a twin plate clutch or heavy duty clutch say good bye to your gearbox because if you have a high power and you put any of the performance clutch..the clutch will transfer the power to you gearbox which you will have a high chance of blowing your gearbox

This post has been edited by GT4KNG: Aug 27, 2008 - 9:28 PM

[GT4KNG]

(water injection on the list)
[/quote]

i would say if you want a water injection if i was you i would copy the style of the Mitsubishi evo or the Subaru sti water injection style

[easternpiro1]

whats so special about the evo / STi style?

and im glad you cleared up the twin plate issue, i was wondering why itchy told me not to.

[x_itchy_b_x]

No, twin disc is awesome, that's two clutch discs. totally different setup than normal but that's HIGH hp stuff, way over kill for your setup.
I meant just make sure the disc isn't riveted like the pics I showed you, that should be one solid piece of metal instead of two, thats all.

[easternpiro1]

No, twin disc is awesome, that's two clutch discs. totally different setup than normal but that's HIGH hp stuff, way over kill for your setup.
I meant just make sure the disc isn't riveted like the pics I showed you, that should be one solid piece of metal instead of two, thats all.

oh! i gotcha! I was confused for a sec!

[GT4KNG]

No, twin disc is awesome, that's two clutch discs. totally different setup than normal but that's HIGH hp stuff, way over kill for your setup.
I meant just make sure the disc isn't riveted like the pics I showed you, that should be one solid piece of metal instead of two, thats all.

oh! i gotcha! I was confused for a sec!

no even the twin disc you talking about will make the gearbox last in the future...if you have enough money and you want your gearbox to last longer and you have a massive power i would rebuilt my gearbox to a dog teeth gear box which is extremely strong but noisy a bit that type of gear box you can put as much as power on it and it wont die it will last for many times and you wont be scared even if you dumb your clutch .

and the style that i am talking about sti or evo water injection...is that you have 30 liters water tank in the boot (trunk) and supply 2 jets to your front mount intercooler which is easy and the proper way of doing it.

in my opinion the stock clutch is better .

This post has been edited by GT4KNG: Aug 29, 2008 - 1:01 AM

[easternpiro1]

ah the thing is, i never dumped my clutch, im real anal about doing stuff like that, however as far as trannys go, i wish i knew where else to grab an e153 in short notice but i decided to go ahead with the s53 again. (quick shifting here i come once again)

2 jets!? cool! but at the same time, idk about spraying into the i/c. most of the guys here tap in right before the TB. i hear its more efficient. check this water injection thread lagos made

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/lag...on/P1010147.jpg

(i know lagos, itchy, pressure,batman, death, and plyr are saying "HOT DAMN! that boy FINALLY used the search button! hallenujah! )

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Aug 29, 2008 - 3:18 AM

[GT4KNG]

ah the thing is, i never dumped my clutch, im real anal about doing stuff like that, however as far as trannys go, i wish i knew where else to grab an e153 in short notice but i decided to go ahead with the s53 again. (quick shifting here i come once again)

2 jets!? cool! but at the same time, idk about spraying into the i/c. most of the guys here tap in right before the TB. i hear its more efficient. check this water injection thread lagos made

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/lag...on/P1010147.jpg

(i know lagos, itchy, pressure,batman, death, and plyr are saying "HOT DAMN! that boy FINALLY used the search button! hallenujah! )

yup you can use that its not only efficient it will cool quicker , and short shift thts they way u should go with

[easternpiro1]

theyre in the final stages of mocking up the manifold to send it to the tig welder. (for the wastegate) It needs a few more adjustments. Because this is a 4th gen engine, they had to have a flange made b/c we could not find anyone who made a flange to build off of. So far all the parts are stainless and the flanges are all waterjetted.













i cant wait to take her out and rip the asphalt apart!

[playr158]

GIVE ME




looks great, are you using a previous gen manifold off ebay? and then mated it to the new flange?

[easternpiro1]

nah its a custom manifold since the previous gens would not match.

[goferris]

where are the radiator fans?

[easternpiro1]

they took them out for now, they were just mocking everythign up to see how they would fit. that turbo looks a little close to the radiator from one angle, but should be ok enough for the fans to squeeze in

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Sep 3, 2008 - 9:05 PM

[celicast3sgte]

sweet man! hey im interested in this GT rad. u speak of...?? PM me or AIM if you got it, my sn is in my profile.

[easternpiro1]

update time.... the ninja is up...its running, and almost ready..... just had a few exhaust leaks from the flange and a few other spots (custom flanges will be sanded)

PICS COMING SOON!!!!

[easternpiro1]

found a pic of the dp

[celicaGT96]

sweet man! how was the final fitment of the turbo with the fans?

[easternpiro1]

AH! DAN YOU WANT MOAR?!? YOU GOT IT!












(downpipe wrapped and coated)

[presure2]

why is the wastegate only tapped into 1 runner?
tweek, are you concerned about boost creep with that setup??
the old turbonetics manifold (and cheapo ebay copies) had it setup like that, with the wastegate off one runner, and everyone who ran it had terrible boost creep issues.
also, why over the axle with 3"? dont it kinda negate the benifit of having 3" having to route it like that?

[Culpable04]

make sure the hood closes without touching the IC piping. everything " looks " nice and shinny when do you think you'll be enjoying all the power again ?

This post has been edited by Culpable04: Sep 24, 2008 - 1:56 PM

[easternpiro1]

make sure the hood closes without touching the IC piping. everything " looks " nice and shinny when do you think you'll be enjoying all the power again ?

good point! but i have an aftermarket hood (vis vented c/f) , and it seems to have a bit higher clearance.

i should be enjoying the power this weekend hopefully! i cant get it dyno tuned there (dynojet not in yet and another shop is booked) so they will street tune it and i will come back to dyno it.

see the fans ferris? didnt have them in at first to make fitment adjustments.

i sure hope that CAT is gutted nc dosent inspect emissions on cars before 96


This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Sep 24, 2008 - 2:15 PM

[playr158]

why is the wastegate only tapped into 1 runner?
tweek, are you concerned about boost creep with that setup??
the old turbonetics manifold (and cheapo ebay copies) had it setup like that, with the wastegate off one runner, and everyone who ran it had terrible boost creep issues.
also, why over the axle with 3"? dont it kinda negate the benifit of having 3" having to route it like that?

those are two of my noticed concerns as well.
Over axle will not make any really noticeable difference )1-2hp maybe?!) but eh.
the wastegate is a larger issue that should be addressed though.


Matt all else said it looks great

[DEATH]

That's a nice highflow cat - leave it alone. There is no use trying to get .0001 HP and polluting any more than you have to.
Nice setup Matt - I expect you to run in the mid 13's now

[easternpiro1]

why is the wastegate only tapped into 1 runner?
tweek, are you concerned about boost creep with that setup??
the old turbonetics manifold (and cheapo ebay copies) had it setup like that, with the wastegate off one runner, and everyone who ran it had terrible boost creep issues.
also, why over the axle with 3"? dont it kinda negate the benifit of having 3" having to route it like that?

from what i understand, there was also fitment issues with the manifold and w/g placement, but i am wondering about boost creep

why is the wastegate only tapped into 1 runner?
tweek, are you concerned about boost creep with that setup??
the old turbonetics manifold (and cheapo ebay copies) had it setup like that, with the wastegate off one runner, and everyone who ran it had terrible boost creep issues.
also, why over the axle with 3"? dont it kinda negate the benifit of having 3" having to route it like that?

those are two of my noticed concerns as well.
Over axle will not make any really noticeable difference )1-2hp maybe?!) but eh.
the wastegate is a larger issue that should be addressed though.


Matt all else said it looks great

thanx dan! btw, do you have a link to that turbonetics manifold? i couldnt find it....

That's a nice highflow cat - leave it alone. There is no use trying to get .0001 HP and polluting any more than you have to.
Nice setup Matt - I expect you to run in the mid 13's now

youre right matt, but if i tune the nos timing i'll run 9's! lol POLLUITION?!? im a carolinian now!! they dont care about pollution in these parts of the south! lol

[BLINKYxMUNKEY]

i should be enjoying the power this weekend hopefully! i cant get it dyno tuned there (dynojet not in yet and another shop is booked) so they will street tune it and i will come back to dyno it.

If you are picking it up at SCC, look for my car and tell me the progress.

The car looks great.

[x_itchy_b_x]

if thats a twin entry turbo and a twin ennty manifold 2 cyclinders wont be able to purge gas out the wastegate = boost creep. and yeah your gunan have a boost creep issue. sorry man.

[Dr_Tweak]

Hey guys,

As most of you know I do almost only wiring now, I oversee swaps at SCC that are being done on my customer's cars when they need help. My comments on the build:

1. The over-axle was my choice and is by far the best way to do it. It's the way it's ran factory, with mandrel-bent piping the extra couple bends aren't going to hurt the flow and it comes out very clean. The whole "under axle is better" notion comes from lazy/unskilled fabricators who have told their customers that going under the axle is "better", simply because they were either unable or unwilling to do it the right way.

2. Having the wastegate going into one runner was a solution to a logistical problem faced by the guys at SCC who did the build. It wouldn't have been my first choice but seeing the small amount of space they had to work with I can see why they did it that way. The manifold is a SINGLE-entry going to a single-entry turbo, so technically all four runners are in the same chamber, and the pressure in that chamber should be able to vent through the wastegate without causing boost creep. I guess we'll know for sure once it's on the road

3. The intercooler piping easily clears the hood, it's taking the same route that it did when I personally did the swap the first time last year, except that now it's welded

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Sep 26, 2008 - 12:46 PM

[playr158]

Hey guys,

As most of you know I do almost only wiring now, I oversee swaps at SCC that are being done on my customer's cars when they need help. My comments on the build:

1. The over-axle was my choice and is by far the best way to do it. It's the way it's ran factory, with mandrel-bent piping the extra couple bends aren't going to hurt the flow and it comes out very clean. The whole "under axle is better" notion comes from lazy/unskilled fabricators who have told their customers that going under the axle is "better", simply because they were either unable or unwilling to do it the right way.

2. Having the wastegate going into one runner was a solution to a logistical problem faced by the guys at SCC who did the build. It wouldn't have been my first choice but seeing the small amount of space they had to work with I can see why they did it that way. The manifold is a SINGLE-entry going to a single-entry turbo, so technically all four runners are in the same chamber, and the pressure in that chamber should be able to vent through the wastegate without causing boost creep. I guess we'll know for sure once it's on the road

3. The intercooler piping easily clears the hood, it's taking the same route that it did when I personally did the swap the first time last year, except that now it's welded

-Doc

Sorry but your #1 explanation is purely BS. The best way to run an exhaust is the straightest line possible with the least amount of bends. Bends increase back pressure, turbulence and slow the exhaust gases. It doesn't come from unskilled or lazy it comes from practical knowledge of physics. While its not a back breaking issue in this car, still no reason for junk explanations.

did they consider an adapter piece for the manifold to turbo such as see in some kits:


i know there were space limitations so just curious

This post has been edited by playr158: Sep 26, 2008 - 1:02 PM

[Dr_Tweak]

Hey guys,

As most of you know I do almost only wiring now, I oversee swaps at SCC that are being done on my customer's cars when they need help. My comments on the build:

1. The over-axle was my choice and is by far the best way to do it. It's the way it's ran factory, with mandrel-bent piping the extra couple bends aren't going to hurt the flow and it comes out very clean. The whole "under axle is better" notion comes from lazy/unskilled fabricators who have told their customers that going under the axle is "better", simply because they were either unable or unwilling to do it the right way.

2. Having the wastegate going into one runner was a solution to a logistical problem faced by the guys at SCC who did the build. It wouldn't have been my first choice but seeing the small amount of space they had to work with I can see why they did it that way. The manifold is a SINGLE-entry going to a single-entry turbo, so technically all four runners are in the same chamber, and the pressure in that chamber should be able to vent through the wastegate without causing boost creep. I guess we'll know for sure once it's on the road

3. The intercooler piping easily clears the hood, it's taking the same route that it did when I personally did the swap the first time last year, except that now it's welded

-Doc

Sorry but your #1 explanation is purely BS. The best way to run an exhaust is the straightest line possible with the least amount of bends. Bends increase back pressure, turbulence and slow the exhaust gases. It doesn't come from unskilled or lazy it comes from practical knowledge of physics. While its not a back breaking issue in this car, still no reason for junk explanations.

Well playr, you ARE the expert.

did they consider an adapter piece for the manifold to turbo such as see in some kits:


i know there were space limitations so just curious

I believe the problem was that they couldn't move the turbo any lower than it was, so that adapter wouldn't have worked. Like I said though, I didn't fabricate the manifold so I'm not 100% sure.

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Sep 26, 2008 - 2:20 PM

[presure2]

from what ive read, every 90* bend is the equivlent of 3' of straight pipe.
when that kinda info comes from guys like rickyb and the like, i would trust them.


i havent built a full exhaust yet, and i havent dynoed the celica with 3" over, then under to see the diffrence, so i cant really say for sure, but to me it seems the whole point is to get the exahaust out in as straight and short a path as possible for best results with a performance exhaust.
not that i dont "like" the idea of going over the axle, i think it looks pretty cool actually, just dont see the point when your building this kind of car.

as for the wastegate placement, i really dont get what you mean by "technically all four runners are in the same chamber".

the wastegate is placed directly off of runner #3, before the 4 runners converge, as shown in this pic:



and this one:



its VERY much like this cast manifold that turbonetics made back in the day, in that the wastegate comes off of a single runner:

[attachment=1089:turbonet...manifold.jpg]

the results of using it like that ends up like this post on mr2oc from a guy who used one:
http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=3077...netics+manifold

in a nutshell he would make 26psi...with a 7, then a 15psi spring.
in an effort to see if he could get ANY boost control with that manifold at all, ran it open, with no wastegate at all, basicly creating a big leak, before the turbine, and still had terrible creep issues.

not trying to bust on ya tweek, just pointing somthing out that i noticed, and i figured the OP might have overlooked, before he gets the car and wonders why he cant control boost at all.

[x_itchy_b_x]

poor manifold design, sorry thats all there is to it. tell that guy to do it over.

[lagos]

I will side with tweek on the exhaust issue. Its 3in mandrel bend pipe on a car that will hit around 300hp. I don't think that one bend is going to hurt performance at all. Now, it it was done with compression bends, it would be a different story.

As for the manifold... yeah, I'm not a fan either. Not only the wg placement but also the fact that is a cut up ebay manifold. I would have personally tracked down a 3rd gen cast manifold (i think they fit the 4th gens) and used an adapter... but who cares really. The work is done. Take the car out and see how it does. If it creeps, you'll know why.

This post has been edited by lagos: Sep 26, 2008 - 4:04 PM

[Dr_Tweak]

as for the wastegate placement, i really dont get what you mean by "technically all four runners are in the same chamber".

The manifold that you gave a link to is a twin entry. Two of the runners converge and then go to the turbine, and the other two runners converge and go to the turbine. That means that there's absolutely no chance that any exhaust gas from two full runners can escape.

The manifold that SCC built is a single-entry, so all four runners converge before the turbo. This means that technically all four runners could vent gas through the wastegate. Though the wastegate is higher up on runner #3, all of the runners still have access to it through the third runner. Remember pressure is what turns the turbine, and that pressure, which builds up in the manifold, is released by the wastegate. Not defending the design, I would personally have built a whole new manifold from scratch, I'm just explaining what I meant by the exhaust gas in the four runners all being in the same physical cavity.

But, I have a feeling it will be fine. Like Lagos said, take it out, and if it creeps, you'll know why

-Doc

[RUNNIN-LOW]

yeah i would agree with tweak and pressure that yeah one bend wont hurt much on the exhaust...i have a freak full straight pipe, if i could do it all over again i would have wanted the bend. it makes the car looks so much better...and yeah the dude that did my exhaust even told me he was too lazy and it took to much time to make the bend....so i was like yeah whatever you suck..and paid him 120...

ooh yeah piro!!!! im right behind you man..what kind of turbo is that again i think i might have the same one...but im using the adapter plate..the cast manifold make me feel much safer....same wastegate but mines is blue....but right now im worry about my ic piping it seems so close and i dont want it to rattle up against the fans.. all in all your car is going to be SICCK AS HELL!!!!! .....ill hurry up and finish and drive down to greensbaro or morganton to vs family and we can hook up and talk cars hahaha...

[easternpiro1]

thanks guys for clearing some of that stuff up, manny i did indeed overlook the w/g placement. I was under the impression that the manifold was from scratch and would have placement for the w/g, but george (the pres) told me they needed to make a bung for the manifold, so i didnt see it as much of a problem at the time.

HOWEVER IF there is a boost creep issue, i will talk to the guys, and ask for another one. i dont want to drive around having to worry about if the boost is going to spike when i get on it, but like lagos said, we'll see after its on the road

as far as the exhaust, i totally agree with the fact of least restrictive route, but i scrape as it is, and will be lowering the car. when i had the other 3" set up, it was pretty close to the ground. running under axle puts me at ease a bit.

[Agent21]

All these lovely pictures and I only live a stones throw away. Maybe when I get my GT all back in one piece I'll venture over. Should be by the end of the week.

[easternpiro1]

quick update...not a good one though... the car was being run @ idle and everything seemed fine...UNTIL smoke started forming and them it was noticed that the turbo was leaking some oil. upon further inspection bits of metal were found in the oil, so the good guys at SCC are sending the turbo out to be remanufactured. there was no metal shavings found in the manifold or the oil return line, BUT the oil was pitch black. It was brand new synthetic mobil 1 oil. also there was no shavings found in the turbo, and there did not seem to be any evidence of damage to the innards of the turbo.

could it have been cleaning out the motor because of how long it was sitting?
the pan will be pulled soon to see if there were any shavings in it.
it may be a thrust ring, but idk...

[easternpiro1]

jeez.... lol. another update, it will be another week due to my shift linkage breaking, car was running fine, purring like a kitten BUT there was some strange whistling noise which seemed to be coming from the air intake mainfold, this manifold was pinned against the firewall during the oringinal accident, but dosent appear to be damaged.


oh mylanta.... i miss my car! i want to get it back so i can get to working on the visual aspect! im fiberglassing my cracked lip and got a nice pair of sideskirts waiting for it! just dont know what to do about the rear bumper (and lack of crash bar)

probably will be posting a poll about paint options (will be painting at my house with a friend)

cheers!

btw...lots of stuff for sale in my fs thread! buy! buy! dammit! lol

[nats_celica]

hey dude i just gta say the person tht takes those pics on the first post has got gd timing (not to be rude but i have to point out u scratchn ur n*ts wen the pic was taken) sorry. anyway car is lookn gd so far. keep it up

[easternpiro1]

hey dude i just gta say the person tht takes those pics on the first post has got gd timing (not to be rude but i have to point out u scratchn ur n*ts wen the pic was taken) sorry. anyway car is lookn gd so far. keep it up

oh snap!! LMAO! im going to point that out to edgar when i see him! thanks for pointing that out!

[playr158]

jeez.... lol. another update, it will be another week due to my shift linkage breaking, car was running fine, purring like a kitten BUT there was some strange whistling noise which seemed to be coming from the air intake mainfold, this manifold was pinned against the firewall during the oringinal accident, but dosent appear to be damaged.


oh mylanta.... i miss my car! i want to get it back so i can get to working on the visual aspect! im fiberglassing my cracked lip and got a nice pair of sideskirts waiting for it! just dont know what to do about the rear bumper (and lack of crash bar)

probably will be posting a poll about paint options (will be painting at my house with a friend)

cheers!

btw...lots of stuff for sale in my fs thread! buy! buy! dammit! lol

pressure test for boost/vacuum leaks

[easternpiro1]

jeez.... lol. another update, it will be another week due to my shift linkage breaking, car was running fine, purring like a kitten BUT there was some strange whistling noise which seemed to be coming from the air intake mainfold, this manifold was pinned against the firewall during the oringinal accident, but dosent appear to be damaged.


oh mylanta.... i miss my car! i want to get it back so i can get to working on the visual aspect! im fiberglassing my cracked lip and got a nice pair of sideskirts waiting for it! just dont know what to do about the rear bumper (and lack of crash bar)

probably will be posting a poll about paint options (will be painting at my house with a friend)

cheers!

btw...lots of stuff for sale in my fs thread! buy! buy! dammit! lol

pressure test for boost/vacuum leaks

pressure test came back inconclusive, will try to get video up of the sound.

[playr158]

inconclusive?

it should either hold pressure or it loses pressure?
after that its spray water/soap solution and find the bubbles, or smoke it. and watch for smoke to come out

[easternpiro1]

inconclusive?

it should either hold pressure or it loses pressure?
after that its spray water/soap solution and find the bubbles, or smoke it. and watch for smoke to come out

yeah, it didnt show any leaks, but there are a few lines that werent checked. will suggest smoking it

[easternpiro1]

IT IS ALIIIIIIIIIIIVEEEEEEEEE!!!!! MUHAHAHA!!!



$#!T. Can anyone tell what that loud whining noise is (sort of like a jet before take off)? we thought it was some sort of boost leak, but no pressure drop. george listened with a stethoscope, but cant pin ponit where its coming from.

and yes, i know, the other sound is compressor surge, on my previous turbo setup, the BOV was adjusted (stiffened) to prevent a leak i had. now the spring is too stiff, easy fix

what do ya think?

[enderswift]

saw this 10 min ago.... still crapping my pants.

everytime i see a setup like this come to life get more and more jealous. have fun

[zero07]

Who cares about the noise, your car sounds bad ass! I want it.

[CelicaGT04]

Phhrrrrrr Phhrrrrrr... Wastegates are....SEXYYY!!!

your car is awesome Piro.

This post has been edited by CelicaGT04: Oct 16, 2008 - 11:14 AM

[RUNNIN-LOW]

im loving it!!!!!!so jealous cant wait till mine is up and running too!!!! looks good man

[Random_Stranger]

OMG That thing sounds wicked! Sorry, just watched the vid

[jason]

overall i think the work is good

im curious to see about the creep, i would imagine it would not have a large effect - just depends which route has less pressure - and by how much of a drop - for it to be successful

i doubt there will be any problems, but time will tell.

This post has been edited by jason: Oct 16, 2008 - 1:00 PM

[illneversellmyce...]

im jealous im still building my engine and he has swamped twice now lol. wish i had more money

[DEATH]

Fcuk yes my dear Bro - Very glad indeed for you.
NOW GETS THOSE NUTZ DOWN HERE FOR OUR GREAT RACE AND BREAKFAST MEET YOU PROMISED ME!!!!!!!!!
I look forward dining from some a hot 4th gen engine

This post has been edited by DEATH: Oct 16, 2008 - 4:10 PM

[easternpiro1]

THANKS GUYS!!! DEATH! who said anythign about breakfast! lol dont worry nick, you will get there soon, and in all likely hood be faster than me by the time yorue done lol!

and enderswift... clean up that mess!! peee uuuu!! does anybodyknow what that whine could be? im so stumped

[pitcelica]

Very nice man!!! Now, lets see what this beast can do!!! We want dyno plot!!!! Congrats again!!!

[Supramanecko]

dude your blow off valve sounds like a SUPRA!!!!!!!!!!!!


where do you get the bov!!!?
i want one


ohh man
your car is very nice

[easternpiro1]

dude your blow off valve sounds like a SUPRA!!!!!!!!!!!!


where do you get the bov!!!?
i want one


ohh man
your car is very nice

thanks man. that blow off is a turbo xs RFL. that noise was compressor surge though. the bov spring is too stiff right now

[Supramanecko]

ohh man !
I want to get one of those man.

makes me happy to hear the bov sound like that

can you get any videos of bov going off

[easternpiro1]

ohh man !
I want to get one of those man.

makes me happy to hear the bov sound like that

can you get any videos of bov going off

here you go mate!

ninja turtle #1 on the dyno


i would show you the vid of me doin a buck20 (in a secure area) but i dont want any truuublle.

[boosted95]

pm the buck twenty run? aslong as your not bragging about how sweet you are you shouldnt get in trouble*
its different circumstances than say "a 16 yearold that hit the fuel cut in his automatic st"

sorrys to sorta thread jacking...

[WH95TE]

I want to see this buck20 pull too

[Dr_Tweak]

120? That's it?

I'm pretty sure I had your car up past that the first time around

-Doc

[zero07]

[easternpiro1]

120? That's it?

I'm pretty sure I had your car up past that the first time around

-Doc

i would hit fuel cut if i went past 120 (or i assumed it was fuel cut) it felt literally like i hit a brick wall, motor wouldnt function, then kick back in once i slowed down

ok since my favorite goons asked for it... here you go! (sorry, its a bit blurry damn cellie)





This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Oct 17, 2008 - 12:36 PM

[RUNNIN-LOW]

well here is what i figure out about the 3sgte going fast..i did a couple higway runs on my 3s and it seems as if once you hit a buck 20 our ecu wont let us go any faster? i dont understand that either??... ive heard if you go full stand alone you can go past that but our stock ecu just wont us go past 120...

nice vid btw ...

This post has been edited by RUNNIN-LOW: Oct 17, 2008 - 12:42 PM

[easternpiro1]

well here is what i figure out about the 3sgte going fast..i did a couple higway runs on my 3s and it seems as if once you hit a buck 20 our ecu wont let us go any faster? i dont understand that either??... ive heard if you go full stand alone you can go past that but our stock ecu just wont us go past 120...

nice vid btw ...

yeah, thats what i figured was going on, im on the fence about going over 120 though, it scares me sometimes going that fast... and full standalone is just too expensive for me, i dont want to tune every detail would be a bad investment unless youre a real gearhead or using the car for the track

[Jaws4God]

wow man looking great!! glad its in and running! Congrats! I promise not to ever pop the hood.. LOL