 Goodbye Turtle, Hello Hare!, time to do some speed |
 Sep 14, 2003 - 2:14 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Sep 5, '02 From Phoenix, AZ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
Well thanks to much convos with Igotta5sfeturbo i've decided to buy an eclipse. I'm gonna try to shoot for a 98 GS-t with low miles if possible. But no matter what, it's gonna be turboed and it's gonna kick the sh!t outta my celi. If need be, i'm gonna sell my celi and leave everything in it, ie. intake, exhaust, blah blah blah. I don't really think this is news breaking info, but just heads up for whoever cares.
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Sep 14, 2003 - 2:50 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From ny to philly Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
good luck with the crankwalk
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Sep 14, 2003 - 3:28 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
Dude, if you want a car that can be made to destroy all, get a VW or Audi with a 1.8t. It's the best tuner-friendly performance engine made today.(in my opinion)
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Sep 14, 2003 - 6:51 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 5, '02 From Phoenix, AZ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Heh heh, that's exactly what igotta said to me. Hmm, i might be able to get some JUN parts to fix it up nice. |
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Sep 14, 2003 - 11:11 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
 DSMs... so cheap... so quick... so unoriginal.
--------------------  Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Sep 15, 2003 - 12:34 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
why waste your time with a gs-t?
if your gonna go with a DSM, go for an AWD DSM -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
@gt4.wrc on Instagram |
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Sep 15, 2003 - 12:47 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
I would have to agree, but I see all mitsu's as a waste of money, so... Just my opinion. I've had many friends with bad happenings...
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Sep 15, 2003 - 12:50 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 11, '02 From Sioux Falls, SD, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Amen. |
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Sep 15, 2003 - 12:56 AM
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damn no one likes them
but they would beat everyone that posted so far. and for the crankwalk its only for people who cut corners and boost like mad. every car has its problems. |
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Sep 15, 2003 - 1:11 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 5, '02 From Phoenix, AZ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Yall are just mad cause you know me and igotta are right!
I still love my celi, don't get me wrong. But i don't wanna spend $10k on my celi when i can spend $2-3k on an eclipse and get the same results. |
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Sep 15, 2003 - 1:24 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
soon to be my MR2 will have to have a talking with your dimond star nightmare
-------------------- Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Sep 15, 2003 - 1:33 AM
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hahaha
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Sep 15, 2003 - 1:58 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
I agree, but why spend 10k on a celica, or 2-3k on a Eclipse when you could have any VW with the 1.8t and pay 2k for a k04 turbo and downpipe?(225+hp and over 300 mind shattering lbs of torque!) Jon |
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Sep 15, 2003 - 2:49 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 19, '03 From Buffalo,NY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
why do that? if you have the money do the 3sgte swap. st185 or if you have more st205, and work on that. I think that would be a better bet then a dsm. IMHO
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Sep 15, 2003 - 1:07 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jan 29, '03 From Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Im gonna be getting an eclipse as well...as for getting a turbo..i might just get a GS and get the Hahn Racecraft Kit..stage one is like 1.5 sec 1/4 mile quicker than gs-t...Stage 2 was like 2.5 sec quicker..or something like that..and as for crankwalk as far as ive heard it doesent really happen on the non turbo which is a different engine than the turbo..someone correct me if im wrong though...
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Sep 15, 2003 - 1:08 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 29, '03 From Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
As for those of you saying DSM's are **** and whatnot look at this
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.p...?threadid=96840 I dunno bout you guys but thats hella fast This post has been edited by 94TRDCeli: Sep 15, 2003 - 1:09 PM |
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Sep 15, 2003 - 1:32 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
im not mad, i just said get a gsx, FWD is a waste of time if you want high power. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
@gt4.wrc on Instagram |
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Sep 15, 2003 - 1:35 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 2, '02 From Gainesville, GA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
in my opinion, the dsm looks alot better than the damn audi and vw's......
if you wanted a more luxuary car.....then fork out the extra money for the vw or audi.......but personally, i would get the dsm......as long as they were taken care of, you shouldn't have alot of problems out of it |
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Sep 15, 2003 - 2:15 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 29, '03 From Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Not necessarily..A GS-T will top out higher if you want more top end..but of course a GSX is just gonna rape a GS-T off the line..so it really depends on what you want...there is a GS that runs 10's and that is FWD...i personally would like a GSX just cant find one for cheap enough which means ill probably have to settle for the GS-T or GS and then get the Hahn Racecraft Kit |
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Sep 15, 2003 - 2:21 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
well that's true, AWD does rob power but not only is the traction when launching better, it will handle better and be able to take turns with more power. but atleast get a turbo dsm. it would be a waste of time and money starting out with a NA version. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Sep 15, 2003 - 2:21 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 11, '02 From Sioux Falls, SD, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
If you want some speed just go for a Z. I swear half of the people at 300zxclub.com have owned DSMs before deciding that after they've made their mods that it just doesn't match a 300zx for preformance. They've even made many topics on the matter. It's quite weird.
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Sep 15, 2003 - 2:42 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 29, '03 From Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Well I read somewhere that the NA versions have a different motor and dont get crankwalk..or at least rarely get crankwalk...also putting a turbo on the NA version will be quicker than the GS-T....but ehh ill probably end up getting a GS-T anyways...but i need to check on insurance first |
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Sep 15, 2003 - 4:40 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
exactly, they have a different motor. the crank walk wont be there but neither will be the lower compression. its always better to start off with the turbo version true,a turboed GS will be faster, becuase of the higher compression and the more power it will make at the same PSI, but the GS-T/Xwill be able to go a lot farther. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
@gt4.wrc on Instagram |
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Sep 15, 2003 - 5:31 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 29, '03 From Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Yea..I didnt think about it like that..ive found quite a few gs-t and what not but for the prices i can afford..the newest gs-t ive seen for like 5000 is a 96..and one 97 but im sure itll be sold by the time i get the money...but the newest GS/RS was a 99 for like 5500 i think...im still looking to get the gst or gsx but its just the problem of finding one
also i could build the NA motor up and then turbo it... This post has been edited by 94TRDCeli: Sep 15, 2003 - 5:32 PM |
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Sep 15, 2003 - 9:55 PM
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look on autotrader.com
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Sep 15, 2003 - 10:05 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 31, '03 From Bowling Green, KY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
before i got me celi, i was shopping for gst or gsx, both are pretty rare but gsx is more rare, you will atleast find a gst for sale somewhere
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Sep 15, 2003 - 11:44 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
that is always and option, and since you will be rebuilding, might as well increase the displacement with a stroker kit or somthing like that. that would be good. just dont get an RS. they have drum rear breaks, ugly unpainted door handles and stuff like that that is just plain annoying. plus the potential lack of power accessories -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Sep 16, 2003 - 12:17 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 1, '02 From Minnesota, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I will take on all with my rear-wheel drive twin turbo rotary powered RX7 Twin Turbo. It will desemate your eclipses. As you guys reach around 7k to shift on your DSM..I will be reaching 8.5k when I think about shifting. I win. lol. I guess if you're going for what everyone else has, get an Eclipse/Talon/Laser. Whatever floats your boat, just what floats my boat is having something you don't see all the time.
-------------------- 95 Toyota Celica GT
Dead for now --> Soon to have a 3S-GTE 02 WRX --> This is for speed - Borla Exhaust - TurboXS BOV - Custom CAI 02 Civic EX - MB Quart Reference 5.25" Components - Rockford MTX 8" Subs in the doors - Alpine Type S Rear Fills - 2x Alpine SWR-1042D Subs in a custom fiberglass box - Alpine F345 Amp for the front doors - Alpine M605 on each Type R - Phoenix Gold wiring - Alpine CDA-9855 Head Unit - Alpine Amp link - 2x Rockford Fosgate 1 Farad Caps - The best Viper 791 alarm install ever |
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Sep 16, 2003 - 12:31 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
Like a 12 second GTI! Jon 
This post has been edited by FallenHero: Sep 16, 2003 - 12:39 AM |
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Sep 16, 2003 - 1:29 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 5, '02 From Phoenix, AZ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Sh!t man, if i had the funds and cheap ins. i would get a RX7 or a RX8 in a heat beat!!! I love those cars! But since i'm a poor white boy, i'm gonna try to settle for something that's more in my budget and won't rape me terribly on ins. since i'm payin $231/mo for liability only on my celi. Word of advice...don't speed! |
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Sep 16, 2003 - 1:40 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
what is it with people and high redlines? it doesnt mean ****. sure, 3rd gen rx7's a nice and fast with a good performance engine but high revving means nothing unless u have a v12 ferrari. also, while your rx7 may make high HP, it will never have torque. no car is perfect and IMHO, an awd dsm will always be better than an rx7. more displacement, awd, believe it or not, better reliability. i know that car choice is personal preference but people should understand how things work. dont put down another car purely for the reason that it is common(btw i dont see too many turbo eclipses) camaros and mustangs are everywhere. all of them can be made fast. i know of plenty of cars with 5.5k redlines that will own an rx7 anyday of the week. HP sells cars, torque wins races. some people may not like that saying, but its true, and so is the no replacement for displacement saying. its a nice car, but dont be an ass about it. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
@gt4.wrc on Instagram |
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Sep 16, 2003 - 7:49 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i agree with what you said except for the DSMs ALWAYS being better than a RX-7. RX-7s are possably one of the easiest cars to work on motor wise if you know what you are doing, it only has 3 moving parts. back in 91 Renown's Mazda 787B was the first japanese (and only one since) manufactured winner of the 24 Hours at Le Mans, and guess what, it was rotary. i think that says something about the potential of these motors. 
-------------------- Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Sep 16, 2003 - 10:52 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 1, '02 From Minnesota, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Ain't being an ass. Just proud of my car. Just like everyone else is, and everyone says their car is better than everyone else's....because it's your car you think it's best. I'm no exception.
And the "no replacement for displacement" isn't always true. The KA24DE engine from Nissan isn't as versatile as the SR20DE. Besides the fact that the KA24DE has an iron block, the SR20DE engine is much better. Oh well, I guess this is irrelevant information shouldn't be considered since we're on a Toyota Celica forum, but if you ask any Nissan guru they would say the SR20 is better than the KA24 for getting power. So I guess since we are on a Celica forum let's look at the 2.0 3SGTE which has .2 L less of displacement than the 5SFE. Less displacement, but more power. I suppose it all depends on what you're talking about too, like stock HP or HP with performance upgrades. Anyways, to actually comment on the original topic... Way to go on choosing to go with a car that already has boost. Very nice, and yeah that engine will take a beating so have fun man! -------------------- 95 Toyota Celica GT
Dead for now --> Soon to have a 3S-GTE 02 WRX --> This is for speed - Borla Exhaust - TurboXS BOV - Custom CAI 02 Civic EX - MB Quart Reference 5.25" Components - Rockford MTX 8" Subs in the doors - Alpine Type S Rear Fills - 2x Alpine SWR-1042D Subs in a custom fiberglass box - Alpine F345 Amp for the front doors - Alpine M605 on each Type R - Phoenix Gold wiring - Alpine CDA-9855 Head Unit - Alpine Amp link - 2x Rockford Fosgate 1 Farad Caps - The best Viper 791 alarm install ever |
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Sep 16, 2003 - 10:53 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 1, '02 From Minnesota, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Oh, and thanks to K2 for agreeing with me on the potential of these rotary motors. :-D Props!
And to GT2GT4...I see about 5 a day...sometimes more. I know just in my city, not surrounding areas...there's a gsx, gsx, gst, gst, gs. Just in my city of 60k people. I see more MKIV Supras around me than 3rd gen RX7's. I guess it's where you live. This post has been edited by snadman: Sep 16, 2003 - 10:57 PM -------------------- 95 Toyota Celica GT
Dead for now --> Soon to have a 3S-GTE 02 WRX --> This is for speed - Borla Exhaust - TurboXS BOV - Custom CAI 02 Civic EX - MB Quart Reference 5.25" Components - Rockford MTX 8" Subs in the doors - Alpine Type S Rear Fills - 2x Alpine SWR-1042D Subs in a custom fiberglass box - Alpine F345 Amp for the front doors - Alpine M605 on each Type R - Phoenix Gold wiring - Alpine CDA-9855 Head Unit - Alpine Amp link - 2x Rockford Fosgate 1 Farad Caps - The best Viper 791 alarm install ever |
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Sep 16, 2003 - 11:04 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From ny to philly Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
hey man I don't know where your from but thats definetly not the norm. I see 2g eclipses everywhere back home, like atleast 10 or 15 on a 20 minute drive to my friends house. how many fd rx7's do I see? none, or maybe 1 if I am lucky. in fact at the college I attended last year there were probably atleast 10 2g eclipses parked at any one time. maybe 1 of them was a gs-t no gs-x's for the most part, mostly rs's and gs's. 2g dsm's are mad common man, there is no denying it. |
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Sep 16, 2003 - 11:11 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i cant even count how many DSMs i see a day. fact is i could see anything and everything on any given day....speaking of which im going to scan up some of my Woodward pics i got back for you guys... give me a few minutes and check the OT forum.
-------------------- Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Sep 17, 2003 - 12:27 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
tons of dsm's out here too.
-------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
@gt4.wrc on Instagram |
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Sep 17, 2003 - 12:53 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
I see them all over the place here as well. I've only seen three RX-7's that I can remember though.(well, plus several old school ones)
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Sep 17, 2003 - 11:29 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 29, '03 From Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Im sorry but who gives a **** how common a car is? You can always make your car unique...and everyone says the 6gc is rare I see like 5 on my way to work everyday...now if you wanna talk about a common car...look at the mustang..those are everywhere you cant turn your head without seeing one somewhere..and ill admit Eclipses are common but how many of the are GS-T or GSX not too many where I live..I havent seen a GSX in a few months and GS-T in like a week or so...
But honestly who cares why cant everyone just be happy that someone is getting a car that they would rather have. Also to the guy with RX-7 saying hed rape the dsm or whatever....you obviously didnt read the link i posted or this one http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread...highlight=600hp But anyways im done rambling BTW the video can be located here 611HP 2G Eclipse This post has been edited by 94TRDCeli: Sep 17, 2003 - 11:32 AM |
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Sep 17, 2003 - 8:51 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
my reason for not owning a "common" car: having an identity and some taste... sure you can make your car "original" by adding stuff to it. but if you have say a civic or a DSM... do you seriously think you can come up with something that noone else has done with them? theres so many out there theres bound to be someone out there with a very similar car. -------------------- Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Sep 17, 2003 - 10:26 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 29, '03 From Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I realise this is a celica board and I realise the fact that im gonna get ****..I just think that the people who post on this topic should either be happy or at least have something positive to say or dont post on it at all...
When I first got my celica I loved it...now its just time to move onto something better (IMO) I just cant justify spending 5 or 6 thousand on just an new engine...let alone the fact that i have a ST Coupe...and im pretty sure I would spend an arm and a leg trying to find a newer 5sp hatchback GT...I also do realise that the 3SGTE is a bad ass engine...but honestly how many people can even afford to build it up to its full potential..and by the time you spent that much you might as well have bought a Supra or something Please dont flame me foranything Ive just said..Im just trying to get the point out that he amongst others on this board probably want something else and just to be happy for them |
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Sep 18, 2003 - 2:42 AM
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I think its funny how everyone on this site talks about the 6gc "family" and "community" but everyone (including myself) rags on other people when they choose to get another car that they like.
who says that you have to like it? no one talked crap about Jared when he got that ford probe. No one talks bad about Charlie now that he has a Mazdaspeed Protege No one talks bad about K2 now that he is getting an MR2. I just think we should all get along and be happy for the fellow 6gc'ers when they get a new ride. |
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Sep 18, 2003 - 4:37 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
im not flaming or ripping him, i just say they are unoriginal IMO. if he wants one sweet, they are great cars, read everything ive wrote so far, all ive done is point out some flaws the car has, which all cars have their downsides. and not EVERY turbo dsm crankwalks, its just one thing that tends to be weak on the car. we have a 1st GEN GS, i like the car alot, got a great ride and handles really well, my only compaints are power and weight... obviously a turbo model would take care of that.
-------------------- Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Sep 18, 2003 - 10:04 PM
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now if him or myself were to get a 1st gen 4g63 it would be a different story
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Sep 18, 2003 - 11:29 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 1, '02 From Minnesota, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Hey man. You don't need to be all up on it and crabby. lol. I'm just proud of my car that's all.
And I guess I was in a crabby mood before too so that added to my attitude. But anyways, hey man...wahtever you get...whether it's DSM or not...as long as it's boost...it's better than no boost! So yeah man, keep us informed on what you decide to get! -------------------- 95 Toyota Celica GT
Dead for now --> Soon to have a 3S-GTE 02 WRX --> This is for speed - Borla Exhaust - TurboXS BOV - Custom CAI 02 Civic EX - MB Quart Reference 5.25" Components - Rockford MTX 8" Subs in the doors - Alpine Type S Rear Fills - 2x Alpine SWR-1042D Subs in a custom fiberglass box - Alpine F345 Amp for the front doors - Alpine M605 on each Type R - Phoenix Gold wiring - Alpine CDA-9855 Head Unit - Alpine Amp link - 2x Rockford Fosgate 1 Farad Caps - The best Viper 791 alarm install ever |
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