6K to go fast!, im gathering funds for a 3sgte 4agze build & swap into the celi Options

[boosted95]

Im saving for an engine build, im about half the way there with funds. also im guessing my time line is within the next year*
my question is whats my best bang for the buck? the more research i do on fwd turbo cars i hear about a "suspension demon" that creeps out around 200whp and you loose traction in turns when you apex a turn and attempt to accelerate outa a turn... ive sat shotgun in a boosted gen2 swap "toyotacrazy" and was almost gonna trade celicas with him+ cash. also rode in a supra. both cars slammed me into the backseat from rolling takeoffs, but in the supra when the clutch gets dropped wile in boost and the rear end gripped the road it sounded like we hit something "chassis twist"

so the garage i apprentice at is mainly a supra shop, specialty is the almighty "7mgte"/ anyway since day 1 the owner shane has told me to ditch the celica and get a supra if i want to make big power, get that power to the ground, and stay safe. we do rebuilds all day long and port and polish heads and manifolds too.
ive driven a turboed honda hatch that we use as the company beater its prolly around 180hp, its fun in boost/ but i wouldnt say its unruly on the roads. sorry for the ramble, but just giving yall background that ive driven boosted fwd "if honda even counts" yuck!

theres also a chance of buying my friends N/A 280z he started overhaulin to drift with. (that said i hate drifting!)

or find a good quality mr2 body with a blown 3sgte.

and finally learn to ride a bike and work my way up to hell on 2 wheels. (i dont ride yet, and im not crazy enough for stunts/ cause i think driving around uninformed motorist is dangerous enough)

[GriffGirl]

I already know everyone's gonna say to get a 3sgte. I guess my answer would be more of a question: what are your goals with this swap? Are you looking for low-end power, high end power, what? Are you planning to autoX, is this your dd? The answer as to what's the most bang for your buck will depend entirely on what you hope to achieve with your swap.

[boosted95]

I already know everyone's gonna say to get a 3sgte. I guess my answer would be more of a question: what are your goals with this swap? Are you looking for low-end power, high end power, what? Are you planning to autoX, is this your dd? The answer as to what's the most bang for your buck will depend entirely on what you hope to achieve with your swap.

"i wanna go fast" -Ricky Bobby im wanting acceleration from lowerend power, yes dd, and i wasnt wanting much over 300whp from a budget of 6k... i want wow factor, fun to drive and something unique if possible. im not wanting to rev the hell onta my engine to get boost or get into my powerband. i hate how hondas make power wayyy up there in rpms

[x_itchy_b_x]

mr2 with a 3sgte

[808celica]

nothing beats a supra then do the Smokey Century engine swap

This post has been edited by 808celica: Oct 9, 2008 - 4:03 PM

[presure2]

mr2 with a 3sgte

ftmfbbqw.

unless you can truly afford the supra, the 2 is your next best thing.

[97celiman]

mkiii supra...but then ive also ridden in a 4agze mr2...which was hecka fun...although if you work at a shop that does the 7mgte you could get the trd headgasket all that jazz...is this a project or a daily driver buy?

[GotToyota]

Word of advice, after dealing with MK3's for MANY years if you buy one I must recommend you to do a 1J/2JZ swap, the 7M is just a waste of time.

EDIT: You could find a nice 1JZ MK3 for $6k.

This post has been edited by GotToyota: Oct 9, 2008 - 6:18 PM

[boosted95]

Word of advice, after dealing with MK3's for MANY years if you buy one I must recommend you to do a 1J/2JZ swap, the 7M is just a waste of time.

EDIT: You could find a nice 1JZ MK3 for $6k.

a 1jz? what... the torqueless wonder? im not sayin just dropin in a 7mgte and call it a day,full metal headgasket, port& polished head and manifolds, valve work/ fully balanced crank, forged pistons* its outa my price range of 6k to go all out on a supra like that... theres 2 supras with blown engines at the shop now, it was my only reason on considering a mkIII. i do appreciate your input "gottoyota" thanks for posting, ive only been at the shop 3 months so im still learning everyday

[boosted95]

mkiii supra...but then ive also ridden in a 4agze mr2...which was hecka fun...although if you work at a shop that does the 7mgte you could get the trd headgasket all that jazz...is this a project or a daily driver buy?

its a dd, i want to drive semi conservatively throughout the week staying outa boost most of the time/then flog on it on the weekends. she'll be a weekend warrior... if i stick with the celi its autocross, if i end up with rwd ill give the straight track a shot.

[boosted95]

mr2 with a 3sgte

wow, itchy b read my thread! thanks, your build thread inspired me last year to read and research about rebuilt 3s engines...

1 question, how bad is traction when you pass the 300whp mark in fwd? all i hear from rwd drivers is it wont grip for hard launches, and its gonna eat tires, and its not a matter of "if" i wreck, but "when" i wreck*
thats whats opened my mind to rwd, i dont wanna drop 6k on a motor that my car cant make the most of/ thats what im rambling on about i guess

[x_itchy_b_x]

mr2 with a 3sgte

wow, itchy b read my thread! thanks, your build thread inspired me last year to read and research about rebuilt 3s engines...

1 question, how bad is traction when you pass the 300whp mark in fwd? all i hear from rwd drivers is it wont grip for hard launches, and its gonna eat tires, and its not a matter of "if" i wreck, but "when" i wreck*
thats whats opened my mind to rwd, i dont wanna drop 6k on a motor that my car cant make the most of/ thats what im rambling on about i guess

I've had 330whp to front wheels its fun, but a waste of power, torque steer bad, you'll go through tires, and your just plain slower than a rwd car because of the launches.
i never thought id like a car more than the celica, but i do, the mr2 is so much fun to drive.

don't get me wrong anything fast is fun no matter the platform.

This post has been edited by x_itchy_b_x: Oct 10, 2008 - 12:42 AM

[playr158]

bikes are faster than cars....not to mention they are cheaper.

[dustin15brown]

bikes are faster than cars....not to mention they are cheaper.

And a lot safer, hold up well in crashes, and really protect their driver.... o0oo0o00oo0o0o and passengers love the third row seating and trunk space

[playr158]

bikes are faster than cars....not to mention they are cheaper.

And a lot safer, hold up well in crashes, and really protect their driver.... o0oo0o00oo0o0o and passengers love the third row seating and trunk space

actually mine held up well during a crash and i walked away fine

haha passengers, do you know how often i get asked to take girls for rides, F ur third row, she straddles and holds on
damn i miss that bike

This post has been edited by playr158: Oct 10, 2008 - 9:02 AM

[GotToyota]

Word of advice, after dealing with MK3's for MANY years if you buy one I must recommend you to do a 1J/2JZ swap, the 7M is just a waste of time.

EDIT: You could find a nice 1JZ MK3 for $6k.

a 1jz? what... the torqueless wonder? im not sayin just dropin in a 7mgte and call it a day,full metal headgasket, port& polished head and manifolds, valve work/ fully balanced crank, forged pistons* its outa my price range of 6k to go all out on a supra like that... theres 2 supras with blown engines at the shop now, it was my only reason on considering a mkIII. i do appreciate your input "gottoyota" thanks for posting, ive only been at the shop 3 months so im still learning everyday

Torqueless wonder? People that don't know the motor only say that because that's all people talk about. My friend just recently dyno'd his 1J at 385whp and 371tq (single turbo, of course), you consider that torqueless? I'm just giving you my opinion on what the best solution would be for what you're looking for.

A FWD car will NOT give you what you want, and you will be limited with the places you can actually use that power. I've been down this road before, I owned a MK3 and now own a Celica, I miss my MK3 badly. Look around Craigslist and you'll find a 1J MK3 for $6k (most likely stock twins or BPU but the car is still very fun this way). The 7M is a troublesome motor that isn't worth the work. The same buddy I mentioned above that made 385whp had a 7M before the 1J, and it was almost exactly as you described: fully build, pistons, metal head gasket, valve work, blah blah blah, and he still blew the headgasket and from there decided to switch to the 1J. If you actually researched the 7M you would see why so many people are going over to the 1J/2J side.

Obviously most people on here will tell you to go the 3S/Celica route because this is a Celica forum, but actually listen to someone that's had both a MK3 and a Celica.

-Matt

This post has been edited by GotToyota: Oct 10, 2008 - 12:25 PM

[GriffGirl]

The 3sgte will be your best best for lower end power, the silvertop or blacktop your best bet for top-end power. You could supercharge those too if you wanted. Remember though that the 3sgte drop in to an ST the way it does in a GT - our motor mounts are different so you'll have to account for the fabrication. Not that that's a big deal I don't think, but it's something to be aware of.

Whatever you go with, be sure to do a TON of research before you spend a single dime on anything. Don't be like those other people who run out and get a clip only to find out they bought all the wrong stuff, or worse yet, sub-par stuff, and get pissed that their "simple weekend project" has turned into a ten thousand dollar 6 month project because the ruined everything by cheaping out and/or being ill prepared through lack of research.

[boosted95]

Word of advice, after dealing with MK3's for MANY years if you buy one I must recommend you to do a 1J/2JZ swap, the 7M is just a waste of time.

EDIT: You could find a nice 1JZ MK3 for $6k.

a 1jz? what... the torqueless wonder? im not sayin just dropin in a 7mgte and call it a day,full metal headgasket, port& polished head and manifolds, valve work/ fully balanced crank, forged pistons* its outa my price range of 6k to go all out on a supra like that... theres 2 supras with blown engines at the shop now, it was my only reason on considering a mkIII. i do appreciate your input "gottoyota" thanks for posting, ive only been at the shop 3 months so im still learning everyday

Torqueless wonder? People that don't know the motor only say that because that's all people talk about. My friend just recently dyno'd his 1J at 385whp and 371tq (single turbo, of course), you consider that torqueless? I'm just giving you my opinion on what the best solution would be for what you're looking for.

A FWD car will NOT give you what you want, and you will be limited with the places you can actually use that power. I've been down this road before, I owned a MK3 and now own a Celica, I miss my MK3 badly. Look around Craigslist and you'll find a 1J MK3 for $6k (most likely stock twins or BPU but the car is still very fun this way). The 7M is a troublesome motor that isn't worth the work. The same buddy I mentioned above that made 385whp had a 7M before the 1J, and it was almost exactly as you described: fully build, pistons, metal head gasket, valve work, blah blah blah, and he still blew the headgasket and from there decided to switch to the 1J. If you actually researched the 7M you would see why so many people are going over to the 1J/2J side.

Obviously most people on here will tell you to go the 3S/Celica route because this is a Celica forum, but actually listen to someone that's had both a MK3 and a Celica.

-Matt

thanks matt, its just a difference of opinion; im not gonna change your mind, and your not gonna change mine/ but honestly i wouldnt have it anyother way*

regardless of the engine, were toyota enthusiasts... yall found a niche in good 1jz builds, the shop im learning from swears by the 7m.
i keep my mouth shut and do as im instructed over there, hopeing that i can retain all the information im exposed to. ive got alot to learn about both setups, but i will say about blown 7m's and and blown 1jz's no internal combustion engine is absolutely bullet proof!
if the drivers a tard and bent valves cause he didnt shift till 9.5k rpm its his fault not the engine/ and on the flipside, if your mechanics the tard and didnt flowtest injectors and one is starving a cylinder of fuel, or didnt reassemble the block correctly no motor stands a chance.... theres too many varibles to just single out 1 motor as a waste cause its a different setup. id hate supras "and so would you" if you popped the hood and everyone was runnin the same 1jz/ 2jz/ or 7m its the diversity that makes it fun to mod!

as for what im looking for, the budget is around 6k its flexible but im think its a reasonable sum of money... im not looking to "pone all"(or how ever yall say it)... im wanting a daily driver with some neck snapping torque i can use at my discretion.
any1 with an st that hops on an interstate onramp with a fast approaching semi in the lane your about to merge into can relate!

and why do i insist on beefing up the 3s if i go that route? the shop im at will not let me do a simple timing belt, water pump, clutch, bov, and exhaust change/ they said they want my hands dirty, and anything worth doin was wort doin right...

as of now im leaning toward the Z, or the 3s
unless someone knows where i can find a blowed up mr2 that needs a good home?

am i askin too much for 6k? if i did get the Z, mr2, or supra/ its byebye celica so i can add atleast another 2k to the budget from its sale

This post has been edited by boosted95: Oct 13, 2008 - 2:02 AM

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