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 Sep 28, 2003 - 8:52 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Aug 30, '02 From North Carolina Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
Well i blew something during the turbo install it looking as if I got a hole in a piston or a blown head gasket. So now my cousins goign to break it down so what shoule i do should i keep the turbo setup or what?
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Sep 28, 2003 - 9:11 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From North Carolina Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
no dude i blew a gasket around the piston its blowing compression OUT and yes thats $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Sep 28, 2003 - 9:49 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
so what was the whole deal with the manifold not sitting flush?
and are you sure its a piston ring that you blew? -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Sep 28, 2003 - 9:58 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From North Carolina Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the exhaust manifold didnt sit up right and the gasket didnt meet well.....and yes i know its there casue i took the valve cover off and my cousin whos a mechanic checked it and its blowing smoke out around the pistons!
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Sep 28, 2003 - 10:40 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 1, '02 From Minnesota, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Piston rings aren't really that much money.
First off, not to nag or anything, but before you did a turbo setup...I would've had that checked out. I would've had the whole eengine gone over...but a piston ring isn't too hard...just gotta take apart the block man...little manual labor never heart anyone. See if you can get TopEnd to get you some gapless pistons rings and forged pistons... Also...while you're already ripping apart you engine...replace anything else you see that might have some wear in it. Good learning experience for you I think...or a good example for anyone here. -------------------- 95 Toyota Celica GT
Dead for now --> Soon to have a 3S-GTE 02 WRX --> This is for speed - Borla Exhaust - TurboXS BOV - Custom CAI 02 Civic EX - MB Quart Reference 5.25" Components - Rockford MTX 8" Subs in the doors - Alpine Type S Rear Fills - 2x Alpine SWR-1042D Subs in a custom fiberglass box - Alpine F345 Amp for the front doors - Alpine M605 on each Type R - Phoenix Gold wiring - Alpine CDA-9855 Head Unit - Alpine Amp link - 2x Rockford Fosgate 1 Farad Caps - The best Viper 791 alarm install ever |
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Sep 29, 2003 - 12:41 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
you ran the car with out a valve cover? -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Sep 29, 2003 - 11:30 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
This is why I refuse to turbo my stock 7a
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Sep 29, 2003 - 12:46 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i havent had any problems with my 7afte project, other than the need for quality gaskets, which i should get in the next few days when i get my car back from the body shop. i also spent a year getting parts and 3 weekend of labor making sure everything fit right and solving little issues. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Sep 29, 2003 - 2:58 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From North Carolina Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Yea I believe the only reason I had problems was casue I had too many friends working on the car and i told them we need to get teh oxygen sensor in and they said no no and i said yes and then they cranked it and it ran lean as hell and i believe that blew one of the gaskets around the piston.....hopefully thats all it was but the only thing im buying is the 2 bar map sensor and i may buy injectors depending on how much everythigns going to cost!!!! but IM not giving up now on this turbo project not after all this~~~~~~~~
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Sep 29, 2003 - 5:15 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 21, '02 From Italy Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
which gaskets are you going to get? I took Felpro gaskets, do you know them? anyone tried those gaskets? what do you think about them? Thx |
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Sep 29, 2003 - 6:03 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Maryland Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
Matt you should never stack HG's they WILL blow out sooner or later and cause alot of problems. Cant you just pull the pistons out with the crank and not touch the head? When I had my oil pan off I thought that was the rods right there. -Bryan- -------------------- Member of Team 5sfTe
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Sep 29, 2003 - 9:29 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From North Carolina Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
well my cousin said a shop would charge around 800-1200 to do but he would do lots cheaper and put the turbo on in the process!
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Sep 29, 2003 - 10:42 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
that sucks. over the few weeks it took me to get everything on and running, i put the stock manifold back on and ran NA several times. it made the friends that helped me very mad, but i didnt care, lol. my car, my choice on what to do and where to stop. but i must admit, that they did help, just for the fact that they had different views on solving problems, as with who ever was designated the TB and the person that worked under the car. when its my car, i exert full control. its my parts and my money and i dont want people rushing through steps just to see the finished product. next time you keep the keys in your pocket and the battery outside the car. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Sep 29, 2003 - 10:44 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 1, '02 From Minnesota, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Shop will charge that much cuz they're charging you for their lunch break...just kidding. They are smoking you right there...cuz they know you have no clue what kind of labor is involved. If I were you, I'd go to that shop again and ask them exactly what is involved...and gather information form here. so you know the exact process. Then go to a different shop and tell them exactly what you will need done...the variance in pricing is amazing for someone who doesnt know squat about the job being performed and a person that knows how it's done.
Better yet, gather as much information and do it yourself. Just don't have all your buddies over...I can see it now... "No, we don't need the pistons rings in for now...let's take them out to make sure that's the problem and start it up. It will work trust me!" lololol This post has been edited by snadman: Sep 29, 2003 - 10:45 PM -------------------- 95 Toyota Celica GT
Dead for now --> Soon to have a 3S-GTE 02 WRX --> This is for speed - Borla Exhaust - TurboXS BOV - Custom CAI 02 Civic EX - MB Quart Reference 5.25" Components - Rockford MTX 8" Subs in the doors - Alpine Type S Rear Fills - 2x Alpine SWR-1042D Subs in a custom fiberglass box - Alpine F345 Amp for the front doors - Alpine M605 on each Type R - Phoenix Gold wiring - Alpine CDA-9855 Head Unit - Alpine Amp link - 2x Rockford Fosgate 1 Farad Caps - The best Viper 791 alarm install ever |
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Sep 29, 2003 - 11:06 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
hehe, that's a great method. I've never heard it before.... I have one question: Are you guys running oil cooled, water cooled, or oil and water cooled turbo's?
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Sep 29, 2003 - 11:51 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ALL turbos need oil only some need water. my turbo is the water and oil kind but im not running the water cooling just yet. the only reason it is there is to increase oil life. simply letting the car cool down with a turbo timer makes up for not having the water cooling. but it is worth doing, i just didnt care for the extra work when my setup was working just fine. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Sep 29, 2003 - 11:56 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From KC Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Sorry, its peeve, not peave,,,  Seriously though, do you think you burned a hole in a piston or just cooked the rings? if you need pistons and are keeping the turbo, can you get lower compression ones, or have a machine shop see if they can relieve the stock pistons to lower the compression some? and btw, the pistons will not come out the bottom without removing the crank (if then, main bearing saddles usually prevent it) and that could be much more work than pulling the head, and you still have to install them from the top, no way to get the ring compressor to work from underneath. |
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Oct 1, 2003 - 12:34 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
so is it safe to run it with no water cooling? (were I to get a turbo made for both)
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Oct 1, 2003 - 1:15 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yes, its perfectly safe, although your oil wont last as long but oh well, use synthetic and change every 3k miles i just finished rebuilding my turbo so im putting it in back in tomorrow as with the new car alarm with remote start. i am really hoping to get to LACR this weekend -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Oct 1, 2003 - 8:44 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From North Carolina Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Well Im thinking my problem came from not having the second 02 sensor one time or running the car with a gutted cat and no exhaust.
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Oct 1, 2003 - 12:50 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the second 02 does nothing but help obd2 keep an eye on emmissions, it should not have caused a problem for your car. i ran my car with only a down pipe, and not even my primary o2 got readings, but i only drove it like that for about 3 trips up and down my street and to the shop. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Oct 1, 2003 - 12:54 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Davenport Iowa Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I used to drop the whole exhuast of of my car on the track before the 3sgte swap and never had a problem... what exactly happened to your motor?
and what has been done mod wise? --------------------  99 project version 3.0.. hello SEMA 2010 =) |
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Oct 1, 2003 - 10:00 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From North Carolina Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
well as of mods: I have a muffler and gutted cats...thats all perfromance mods
setup: 3sgte exhaust manifold 3sgte downpipe CT 26 Turbo....Clipped 3sgte oil pan stock cat gutted MR2 plugs gapped to .030 turbo xs BOV -------------------- 99 Toyota Tacoma
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Oct 1, 2003 - 10:48 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
what about an fmu? or any fuel mods? even with only bigger injectors the car will run lean. need a few parts to control the fuel. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Oct 1, 2003 - 11:39 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Davenport Iowa Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
wow when I looked at this the other night I didnt even notice I was on the 2nd page...LOL 1st off:
this is flat out the stupidest Idea I have ever heard of.... period, this doesnt even fall under the "it seemed like a good idea at the time" catagorey...if there was a car darwin award you woulda just gotten it..... If you have major gaps between your head and engine block then you either need to scrape off the adhesive or get either the block or head replaned. you can also pick up thicker head gaskets for a decent price- not ripping on you here jwalk. 2nd: please tell me you hooked up an oil return hose... even if you didnt just lie to me and tell me you did and then go replace your turbo cuz its cooked an get the 3sgte oilpan and hook up the line. 3rd: removing the head is an easy project if you know what you are doing and take your time. Just make sure you take the head to a machine shop and have them check to make sure its not warped... could explain gap you have. 4th: listen to 97GTinKC... he's right... lower that compression or you will have this kinda stuff happen over and over agian... I cant count the number of times I have seen this kinda stuff happen over the last 4-5 years.. 11:1 cant handle boost very well for long.. not without a complete rebuild - period. 5th: if you need help ask man.. jwalk - I dont wanna come off as a dick here cus im not trying to be.. just do it right the 1st time so your not in this same spot 6 months down the line, trust me I have blown motors before and know how much it sucks to not have your car.. hell its been way over a year since the last time I drove mine and I didnt even blow nething up this time 
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Oct 1, 2003 - 11:49 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Maryland Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
The 5sfe is 9.8:1 CR
-Bryan- -------------------- Member of Team 5sfTe
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Oct 2, 2003 - 12:21 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the gap was between the manifold and the head, not the head and the block
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Oct 2, 2003 - 10:36 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Davenport Iowa Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I could be wrong but I always thought the 5sfe was alot higher than that... never paid much attention to my 5sfe cuz I got my celica to do the 3sgte swap.. so maybe I am wrong on that
manifold - head or head-block... the gasket idea is still stupid either way... expecially if boosted and the same way to fix the problem.. have them replaned -------------------- 99 project version 3.0.. hello SEMA 2010 =) |
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Oct 3, 2003 - 1:49 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jun 21, '03 From Pennsylvania Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
The only thing i would like to add to help you guys out is i think (im pretty sure) that the 98 and 99 celicas have forged pistons unlike the older models, so if you have a newer car then you really do not need any lower compression forged pistons. You should look into getting the metal head gasket for the 5sfe camry to lower your compression to about 8:1 ....and it will last way longer too! If i were you i would run the water lines to the turbo, they are really easy to tap into and take like 15 minutes to do. You can tap into the rubber lines under the intake manifold with 2 tee's and run your lines to the turbo.( If you follow the metal water lines that run across the front of the engin block from the water pump you will see where i am talking about) And deffinetly do not let any friends talk you into rushing your project. Take your time and do it right!!!! I hope you get it up am running soon my man.....good luck!
If i can help with anything else just ask! DG --------------------  |
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Oct 3, 2003 - 2:22 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Maryland Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
DG, get AIM damn it!!!!!!!
-Bryan- -------------------- Member of Team 5sfTe
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Oct 4, 2003 - 1:00 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 21, '03 From Pennsylvania Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
ok i got aim now but have no clue how to use it!
my name is "turbodgcelica" ???? -------------------- |
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Oct 4, 2003 - 1:09 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Maryland Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
Well right clich your little running man and get online to start. -Bryan- -------------------- Member of Team 5sfTe
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