UPDATE: my new motor Options

[celica9110]

so i blew my motor
=[
well shes knocking
i just put in 5 quarts of oil in her
....so i think shes almost done
so....could i take an ST and put in on of the other motors, with the same mounts in the same place?
also
im gonna do a manual swap with it....will it be easier to do that while i have no motor?

This post has been edited by celica9110: Dec 11, 2008 - 9:20 AM

[bccentaur3]

Do you have a lot of money saved up? What kind of performance do you have in mind?

[celica9110]

i have like $1200 saved
and does the 5s have turbo?
as well as the 3s?

[bccentaur3]

The 5sfe motor is the factory motor found in the usdm celica GT.

Your motor the 7afe is the factory motor found in the usdm ST.

The 3s motor you are referring to is more then likely the 3sgte which is found in the usdm 5th gen celica all-trac and mr2 turbo.

The only motor that comes factory turbocharged is the 3sgte.

with 1200 saved up you can't do the 3sgte swap.

But you can get yourself a stock 7afe motor and call it a day. Not worth putting in a 5sfe into your celica, because the motor mounts won't line up without some modding and I think the wiring harness needs to be done.

[celica9110]

soooooo....how do rebuild a motor persay??
lol
stupid question
but what kind of tranny is in the 7a

[bccentaur3]

I believe the c52 is used on the 7a.

[celica9110]

would i have to have a pro do the swap?

[bccentaur3]

No, you can do it yourself. You'll just have to gather the parts needed.

[celica9110]

how much is it? lol btw i need to find a motor too/rebuild parts

[bccentaur3]

I don't know. But if you know what you'll need for the swap the best place to look for used parts is car-part.com

This post has been edited by bccentaur3: Nov 16, 2008 - 11:05 PM

[celica9110]

k...but like, the engine is knocking what could that be

[bccentaur3]

Maybe you spun a rod bearing.

IIRC start your car and pull out the plug wires one by one to see which cylinder it is.

[celica9110]

how will i figure it out..
sorry for the stupid questions

[bccentaur3]

The noise stops if you pull out the right spark plug wire.

[celica9110]

then how would i fix it?
like is it hard?
btw im replacing my valve cover gasket in a few days...soooo
while i have that off can i fix it?

[bccentaur3]

No. The valve cover is the top end of the motor where the head is. If you really think its a knock then its coming from the block. Now if its a ticking noise it could be the valves in the head. But since you are saying its a knock its your block. You'd have to inspect the cylinder walls to see what kind of damage. Inspect the crankshaft too, you spun a rod bearing. If you are doing it yourself if will be a pretty cheap build. But I think its better to find a used motor in good shape and just swap it in.

[celica9110]

its like a rattly knock noise...
ya know?
and what kind of motor should i get? to do the swap

[celica9110]

what about swapping in a 4AGE silver top from a 90-96 corolla?? i read somewhere that the A trannys will bolt up to the A blocks... if this is true then The 4AGE will bolt up to my stock auto off my 7AFE, correct?... but are the mounts the same?

the other thing is the ecu, if this motor will work then what ecu am i going to need to run it? im puretty sure that my stock ecu wont work due to the ITBs

but this swap seems like it would be the best for power and money because i can get the motor for $490+ shipping..

i just need some info on this so if anybody knows or knows somebody who can point me in the right direction on this, or hook me up with a DIY or just helpful links, it would help out a lot, thanks...

[lagos]

its like a rattly knock noise...
ya know?
and what kind of motor should i get? to do the swap

Yeah, then your motor is shot.
If you dont know much about these cars, then just get another 7afe from a junk yard to swap in there.
Doing any other 3sgte or 4age swap is a bad idea, if you havent done any research beforehand.

[Taskbot]

Hahaha yeah research the 4A. I guarantee you will find something you like and you won't have to swap trannys or you could use any one of the trannys that mates up with an A engine. The best thing is that you can source most of your parts from ****ty DD corollas.

But yeah, switching for A to S is a bad idea, unless you have the money and you really want to get a 3S-GTE, you'd need to source way too much crap to be worth it.

If you just want something a little more peppy than your 7A you can source any of the 4A-GE engines. If you want more power and some boost, you can get a 4A-GZE from the JDM Corolla Levin(AE92 and AE101 I think). If you want some screaming fun N/A power you can source a 20V 4A-GE silvertop from the AE101 or blacktop from the AE111.

[celica9110]

so does that mean i dont have to swap the ecu too? or would i have to swap the ecu?

[celica9110]

i forgot about this!!!
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1311
but it doesnt tell me anything about the ecu or wiring
also on another post someone said that i had to modify the a/c line, the p/s line and the exhaust and intake, but im gonna take the intake i made for my current motor and just slap it on the 4A

thanks
kevin

[celica9110]

soooo i just want you guys to know, that im not getting the 4A swap because im not funding it, my granddad is,
he found another 7A(bleh) brand new for $1600
WTF?! who wants to pay that much for THE slowest motor on the block?
not me
but im getting another 7A in my auto ST, that is exactly why im looking to get a project car if u havent read my AE86 thread, just fyi,

but thanks to every1 who has given me information on the 4A swap, alot!!!

its really appreciated, maybe i can get that done when im done with my new 7A

[Taskbot]

wow thats a bit pricy for a 7A. A 4A-GE silvertop with all the necessities up here is like $1000. If you're getting an engine like that don't swap it out a year down the line.... boost it

That way you will still get respectable power AND you won't have to sell your pristine 7A.

[celica9110]

i was reading stef's thread and her turbo 7A was over 5 grand!!
=[
damn i work as a cashier at a grocery store...i need a bbetter job,
im applying for the power company!!! =]

[SeverX13]

i was reading stef's thread and her turbo 7A was over 5 grand!!
=[
damn i work as a cashier at a grocery store...i need a bbetter job,
im applying for the power company!!! =]

id go with a 3s. more power

This post has been edited by SeverX13: Nov 25, 2008 - 1:58 PM

[celica9110]

i want to, but its too much work and money
so i found a 4A silvertop, best for the money i have
but my grandad who is paying for this bought a 7A
i hate my car!!
i wish it were stick and had a 3S in it

[Taskbot]

Hahaha save up a whole bunch of money and just do a complete conversion. Or wait until we can import a complete ST205 into Canada for cheap

[celica9110]

Hahaha save up a whole bunch of money and just do a complete conversion. Or wait until we can import a complete ST205 into Canada for cheap

im not in canada...
do u mean import it to canada and drive it across the border?
?????

[celica9110]

so i found out today my new 7A is gonna be bored out....
spelling??????
anyway, i just wanted to know about how many horses ill be getting w/ the cylinders bored, and im also looking for new cams,
will cams increase my hp too?

[trdproven]

wow to me 5 quarts of oil is too much. Also, save up if you are gonna change the motor, might as well get a good one. Its a once in a lifetime chance to get what you want now.

[celica9110]

wow to me 5 quarts of oil is too much. Also, save up if you are gonna change the motor, might as well get a good one. Its a once in a lifetime chance to get what you want now.

i wanted a 4A 20V, but my granddad is supplying the money, sooo i pretty much researched for nothing?
but its all good, this is a fully rebuilt 7A w/ bored cylinders....seriously, spelling, am i spelling bored right?



This post has been edited by celica9110: Nov 27, 2008 - 10:24 PM

[celica9110]

well, well, well,
just an update on my car
she died last nite
i was playin around and "e-braked" this turn last nite and she just went
sooo im car-less for ANOTHER TWO WEEKS!!!!
this new motor has just been trouble getting here, sooo, if this thing doesnt come soon then idk what to do! because i didnt buy this stupid thing and my granddad doesnt know anything about cars...
i just hope it comes soon

[celica9110]

NEW MOTOR IS IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NEXT STEP INSTALLATION!!!!

[celica9110]

UPDATE: the new "motor" is just a block and a head, nothing else, guys, btw its a 5s and i have a 7a, and my poppa said it was coming from jacksonville...wrong...it had a cali address, sooo, im just gonna let the mechanic who ordered it realize he ordered the wrong motor...
and also my blown motor, is 100% blown up!!!!
it left me stranded on the side of the road for 45 mins to an hour!!!! while like no lie 4 cops passed and didnt stop!!!!!
this SUCKS!!!! <-underlined
this has been nothing but trouble

This post has been edited by celica9110: Dec 6, 2008 - 11:47 PM

[celica9110]

alright guys, the right motor should be in tomoro =], and i cant wait, the mechanic possibly might be done by saturday.
also i had a crack in the header so he went to the parts store and got a 1 piece header, this makes me think its a 4-1 header, possibly aftermarket? tell me what you guys think it is

[zero07]

Hope it all works out for you.

[Akirad1]

keep us updated and post pics when its done

[celica9110]

DAMN IT!!!!
these ppl dont know how to build a motor
my dad tracked it today while he was at work
they shipped it from cali yesterday!!!!!
he called and asked what the deal was
and there was sumthing wrong with the motor!
ive had it w/ this place
asdfkjl;
damn

[celica9110]

he guys the right one is here!
and its on the way to the mechanics rite now!!!
he said he'll start on it once he gets it!
im so excited

[Akirad1]

nice
let us know when your rolling again

[celica9110]

hopefully later tomoro

[Akirad1]

so what is it bored out to

[celica9110]

idk i was just told that its was
hopefully after i break it in i can save $70, dyno and get you guys some numbers
and im going to see it tonite
hopefully the header the got isnt an oem replacement..

[celica9110]

SHES DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[celica9110]

so guys i got my car back christmas eve...but she idles funny and now my exhuast sounds ricey...like a lil high pitched buzzing bee!!!! asdflk;ajs;gkljhasg but anyway im redoing that....and i need to know if the idling funny is supposed to happen if not what can i do?

btw my exhaust had a deep sound