Updated Manual Transmission Conversion, Checklist Options

[Dr_Tweak]

Auto/manual conversion checklist:

Manual tranny
Flywheel and bolts
Clutch kit (and pressure plate bolts)
Driver's side mount for manual
Shifter assembly
Shifter cables
Clutch pedal assembly
Brake pedal (or grind down your stock one)
Clutch master cylinder
Clutch slave cylinder (if not included with tranny)
Clutch lines
Manual ECU or wire in resistor box for the auto ECU



I just wanted to put this down so that I don't have to retype it every time someone asks me how to do it

Feel free to add thoughts and comments.

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Oct 29, 2005 - 5:16 AM

[ILuvMyCelica95]

- just a thought- what about a price range on this as well?- although i assume you can get some parts from a junk yard... hmm

[celicast3sgte]

my clutch pedal assembly, brake pedal and assembly, shifter, and clutch lines were 140$ from the local junkyard

[Dr_Tweak]

I can usually get everything in that whole list for about $700.

-Doc

[HaRv3sTeR]

sticky this!

[Akimbo]

Clutch return spring. You may need a manual starter relay. I didn't use one, but I can start my car w/o the clutch in, I just leave it out of gear when its off as my safety switch.

As for the ECU, it's not needed at all, your OD light just blinks, yank the bulb.

You need tranny mounts too. Auto and manual ones don't line up.

TRD Quickshifter is shorter than stock throws, and it comes WITH A SHIFT ASSEMBLY. So you can save some bucks here and get a nice QS kit.

There's various clips and pins to hold the shift cables in too. I am so stupid and didn't save my list. It was so comprehensive for a GT.

[Dr_Tweak]

Clutch return spring. You may need a manual starter relay. I didn't use one, but I can start my car w/o the clutch in, I just leave it out of gear when its off as my safety switch.

As for the ECU, it's not needed at all, your OD light just blinks, yank the bulb.

You need tranny mounts too. Auto and manual ones don't line up.

TRD Quickshifter is shorter than stock throws, and it comes WITH A SHIFT ASSEMBLY. So you can save some bucks here and get a nice QS kit.

There's various clips and pins to hold the shift cables in too. I am so stupid and didn't save my list. It was so comprehensive for a GT.
[right][snapback]350643[/snapback][/right]

You don't need a manual starter relay, you just need to route the wires that used to go to the Neutral Start Switch to the Clutch Start Switch.

Also for OBDII cars ('96 and up) you are going to need the ECU hack or manual ECU.

As far as I know, only the driver's side mount is needed, is this correct or no?

-Doc

[Akimbo]

Yep. Only the drivers side mount! I was looking over my parts today and I got a couple mounts i didn't use.

[devilsden97]

So if it cots $700 for the parts. How much for install and labor from a normal shop? And then how about u dr. tweak? How much does phoniex motoring charge for that???

[Akimbo]

You can't make an estimate for a normal shop. Everyone is totally different. And there is no gaurantee about 700 for parts. The main thing is the transmission and flywheel, clutch. the tranny alone is gonna be the big chunk. Mine was 450 and had 10k miles on it.

[Dr_Tweak]

Normally when I do a conversion to manual, I do it at the same time as an engine swap. When you consider the expense and difficulty of doing JUST an auto/manual conversion, and compare it to doing an engine swap AND auto/manual conversion, it's not worth it to most people to just do the conversion.

I would charge around $300 for labor on just a conversion, so it would be around $1000 total. On the other hand, I charge an additional $150 when doing it at the same time as an engine swap.

Another thing to consider is that when you get and engine set it normally comes with a 5-speed tranny already, you can usually use the clutch that's already installed, you have the mount probably, so it cuts down on what you would have to spend when doing just a conversion.

[devilsden97]

I found a 5-speed transmission with all the parts needed to do the full swap. It is at a local salvage yard. The guy quoted me $700 for all the parts. This inculdes all the stuff listed at the start of this thread. I told him i was doing a swap, and he sounded kinda upset (like it was alot of work for him to take it out of the totaled car) but he said he has everything, its just gonna take some time to get it all out. Also when i said i was doing a swap the guys said, "so your gonna need the cylinder?" (im assuming hes refering to the clutch cylinder) So i figure this guy has some idea what hes talking about. Cuz i totally for got about that part. lol So yeah.

Should i bring him the list on this forum, so he knows exactly what i need? just to make sure i get what i need?

BTW i have a 1995 GT, and im replacing the Auto tranny with a gt 5-speed, so it should be one of the "easier" tranny swaps (not saying any are easy, but just from the fact its the same motor as what it is suppose to be connected to.)

[XS4lv1Truch0x]

Auto/manual conversion checklist:

Manual tranny
Flywheel and bolts
Clutch kit (and pressure plate bolts)
Driver's side mount for manual
Shifter assembly
Shifter cables
Clutch pedal assembly
Brake pedal (or grind down your stock one)
Clutch master cylinder
Clutch slave cylinder (if not included with tranny)
Clutch lines
Manual ECU or wire in resistor box for the auto ECU



I just wanted to put this down so that I don't have to retype it every time someone asks me how to do it

Feel free to add thoughts and comments.

-Doc

i found this on another celica website rite here

Parts List

With part number when available


Transmission junkyard
Clutch master cylinder 31410-20470
Clutch pedal bracket 55107-20330
Clutch pedal 47101-20430
Clutch cancel switch had on hand
Brake pedal 31301-20380
Pedal pads x2 31321-14020
Clevis pin 90249-08143
Clevis pin bushing 00000-00000
Wave washer 90206-08001
Clip 90468-16142
Bolt clutch pedal hinge 90101-10015
Nut 94110-51000
Bushing pedal x2 90386-13015
Collar shaft 90387-10003
Cushion pedal stop x2 90541-06036
Return spring 90507-14029
Shifter assembly 33530-20550
Shift cable 33821-20682
Range cable 33822-20252
Cable clip x4 90468-14016
Clutch line lower came on trans
Clutch line clip x2 00000-00000
Slave cylinder came on trans
Trans mount 12372-74200
Flywheel junkyard
Flywheel bolts 00000-00000
Clutch pressure plate throw out pick your brand
Pressure plate bolts x6 don’t have # on hand
Trans bell housing bolts x3 grab ‘em at the yard
Starter relay junkyard
Clutch start switch 00000-00000

but i think its just for a 5 gc

what do u guys think?

would it be the same on a 6gc?

This post has been edited by XS4lv1Truch0x: Mar 15, 2006 - 1:13 AM

[Dr_Tweak]

No, but it's still a good reference.

-Doc

[Cavanagh]

What all those numbers mean after the PArt?

[Chanh55]

What all those numbers mean after the PArt?

Those are Toyota Part Numbers.

[DeW_H0e_GT]

other than the 6g gt tranny is any other tranny going to work???..

[brianforster]

i think the same trannys that will work with the 3sgte/3sge but youd need a hybrid clutch kit for them.. someone correct me if im wrong though, its just a theory

[Batman722]

You don't need a manual starter relay, you just need to route the wires that used to go to the Neutral Start Switch to the Clutch Start Switch.

Also for OBDII cars ('96 and up) you are going to need the ECU hack or manual ECU.

As far as I know, only the driver's side mount is needed, is this correct or no?

-Doc

bringing this up from the dead

2 questions...

1 - where are the wires for and/or where is the Neutral Start Switch ? and you would just route them to the clutch start switch (on the pedal) correct ? (or leave cut and don't start the car in gear)

2 - and as for a 96+ conversion...if you just swap from a 1997 A/T ECU to a 1996 M/T ECU (both 7A) will that be fine ? are the pinouts on both ECUs the same (same locations) ? I know there would be some extra wires not being used (for the auto tranny) but are we talking just plug and play here ?

thanks

This post has been edited by Batman722: Aug 3, 2006 - 12:47 AM

[Dr_Tweak]

bringing this up from the dead

2 questions...

1 - where are the wires for and/or where is the Neutral Start Switch ? and you would just route them to the clutch start switch (on the pedal) correct ? (or leave cut and don't start the car in gear)

2 - and as for a 96+ conversion...if you just swap from a 1997 A/T ECU to a 1996 M/T ECU (both 7A) will that be fine ? are the pinouts on both ECUs the same (same locations) ? I know there would be some extra wires not being used (for the auto tranny) but are we talking just plug and play here ?

thanks

Hey, I got your PM.

1. They are located on the large plug on the tranny, usually they are black and black/white. You can either route them to the clutch start switch, or connect them and don't start the car in gear. The easiest way to route them to the pedal is to connect them together at the tranny plug side, and then on the interior find the wire (with a multimeter or check the diagrams) and then cut and splice two wires in there. That saves you from having to run wires through the firewall.

2. If you swap ECUs, on the '96, I can't recall at the moment but on the manual ECU the third plug is a 12-pin instead of a 22-pin, I'm pretty sure. It's easier to just connect three resistors in place of the shift solinoids, I even have the resistors that you would need in stock here if you want them. They're like $25 shipped. Otherwise, check on that plug size on the ecu and then we'll go from there.

Also I think the rear mount bracket is different, make sure that you have the one for the manual tranny.

-Doc

[Batman722]

thanks for the info Doc

on the 96 ECU the 3rd plug is a 2 pin. here is a pic of the 1996 ECU



now the next question I have is this...let's say I decide not to use the 96 ECU and use the 1997 A/T ECU in there until I get a 97 M/T ECU (about 2 weeks), we complete the tranny swap, then will the car still start/be drivable ? will there just be a CEL and the OD button blink ? you dig ?

[hurley97]

Also I think the rear mount bracket is different, make sure that you have the one for the manual tranny.

-Doc

the auto rear mount fits fine, just has an extra hook for the auto shifter cable that will no longer be used.

now the next question I have is this...let's say I decide not to use the 96 ECU and use the 1997 A/T ECU in there until I get a 97 M/T ECU (about 2 weeks), we complete the tranny swap, then will the car still start/be drivable ? will there just be a CEL and the OD button blink ? you dig ?

we used the 96 ECU and everything works fine. no warning lights, blinking lights, CEL. car starts, drives, runs better than ever




I did a good amount of research on this project and people still were not sure of some things and couldn't answer some of my questions and I was missing some parts when the time came to do it, so I thought I'd post a more comprehensive list of the parts we used for my swap.
This is in my 97 ST

Manual transmission (mine is a from a 95 ST)
Manual ECU (if you have OBDII get an OBDII ECU)
Shifter cables
Clutch slave cylinder (was attached to my tranny)
Clutch master cylinder (mine came from a junkyard with hard-line attached)
Clutch hard-line (from master cylinder)
Clitch rubber line (from the hard-line to slave cylinder)
Clutch pedal assembly (w/ bracket & bolts)
Brake pedal (bracket and bolts not necessary)
Motor mount (drivers side is the only one necessary, difference is in the bracket)
Flywheel (w/ 6 bolts)
Clutch (new)
Pressure plate (new)
Throwout bearing (new)
Fork (came in the tranny)
Shifter assembly (I got the TRD which came with a knob)
Shift boot (bought new OEM from dealer, about $25)
Manual shifter surround (auto shifter surround does not have the clips to hold the shift boot)
4 C clips (for shifter cables and rubber clutch line, about $0.95 each from the dealer)
Transmission fluid (Synchromesh)
Brake fluid (for clutch cylinder)
1-1/4" holesaw (makes it easier to drill the hole in the firewall for the master cylinder)


if anyone wants pictures or has any questions you can ask me, Manny (presure2), or Dustin (Batman722)

This post has been edited by hurley97: Oct 5, 2006 - 6:02 PM

[DeW_H0e_GT]

bringing this from the dead....^^^^^^^

id that list for a auto-manual on a ST??...will it the list work on a GT as well?

[hurley97]

bringing this from the dead....^^^^^^^

id that list for a auto-manual on a ST??...will it the list work on a GT as well?

yes, pretty much. there is something different with the axles (or maybe just one of the axles) for a GT but I think the auto axles still fit... not 100% sure though

[xHiKO]

sorry to bring this topic up again... other than getting parts and stufff... how much would a auto to manual tranny conversion cost? approximately i mean like i know everywhere charges differently.

on average how much would it cost

[Harold_Fastwaker]

sorry to bring this topic up again... other than getting parts and stufff... how much would a auto to manual tranny conversion cost? approximately i mean like i know everywhere charges differently.

on average how much would it cost

From a shop I would expect anywhere from $500 labor to $1,000. Its not a hard job to do at all by yourself. But I am sure you would look at roughly $2,000 said and done with parts and labor.

[lubu]

bringing this from the dead....^^^^^^^

id that list for a auto-manual on a ST??...will it the list work on a GT as well?

yes, pretty much. there is something different with the axles (or maybe just one of the axles) for a GT but I think the auto axles still fit... not 100% sure though

The auto's axles is a tad shorter than the manual's...its probably will work with some mods but im going with manual's axels...also guys if your going to swap a 3sgte and ur car is an auto then this info is important, the engine's mounting points wont align correctly with the chassis's you will need to do some mod of ur own to get it aligned.

[stetsonaw]

Has anyone done a 3sge auto-manual swap? i'm going to do one with mine, either that or buy a whole new car.

[trdproven]

Since completing my conversion I would like to post a more complete and updated listing of what is needed.

Auto to Manual Trans Checklist
Manual Transmission
Transmission mounts driver side, and rear, might as well change to front manual tranny mount too since they are stronger than auto mount and since auto front mounts break faster when used in manual celicas.
Clutch hard lines (custom) or oem donor
Clutch Slave Cylinder
Clutch Master Cylinder
Shifter Cable C-Clips 4 Total Needed (2 on tranny side and 2 on shifter side)
Shifter Cables
Shifter Assembly
Brake Pedal Assembly (Or you can cut your auto ones)
Clutch Pedal Assembly
Manual Shifter Trim Surround
Shift Boot
Shift Knob
Flywheel and manual flywheel Bolts
Clutch
Pressure Plate
Pressure plate bolts
Throwout bearing
Starter (Reuse)
Manual Transmission Bolts Bell Housing (Reuse)
Auto Axles (Reuse)
Starter (Reuse)
NEW CVBoots - Might as well
Manual ECU needed for OBDII Only. If OBDI, you can either get the manual ECU (Expensive), or get the manual cluster, or just remove the auto cluster O/D bulb - reason is because you get the O/D blinking error because your auto ECU is looking for your automatic trans solenoids sensors, which isnt there anymore.
Brake Fluid
Transmission Oil

Don't forget to check if your brake and reverse lights are connected and work. Hope this helps out better. Good Luck to all you swappers.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Sep 15, 2009 - 10:50 PM

[ej8ferio702]

I can usually get everything in that whole list for about $700.

-Doc

is that including the labor? with everything installed? is 600 cheap for a full swap labor included? there is this mechanic that has a 5th gen celica, when i had a conversation with him he sounded like hes knows what hes talking about but i havent seen any of his work..should i trust this guy to work on my car? another thing is how long does a transmission convertion take? days? weeks?? sorry i know im such a noob and needs to be researching and reading article about this, just wanted to hear you guys's opinion about this...

[trdproven]

600 sounds unbelievable for parts and labor that is not even enough for parts especially you would need to get some stuff brand new plus labor. Its possible to get in done in a day with the right tools, full morning through night and friends that know what they are doing.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Feb 21, 2009 - 7:59 AM

[presure2]

I can usually get everything in that whole list for about $700.

-Doc

is that including the labor? with everything installed? is 600 cheap for a full swap labor included? there is this mechanic that has a 5th gen celica, when i had a conversation with him he sounded like hes knows what hes talking about but i havent seen any of his work..should i trust this guy to work on my car? another thing is how long does a transmission convertion take? days? weeks?? sorry i know im such a noob and needs to be researching and reading article about this, just wanted to hear you guys's opinion about this...

700 is just parts.
tranny swaps like that normally are a weekend thing when we do them.

[ej8ferio702]

i see, well i still havent decided if i should trust the guy, but i have been saving up just in case i want to follow through with the conversion, another thing im hesitating about is that i dont want to go throught with this mechanic and have trouble along the way quoting me for 600 and adding more money to the bill later after the swap, so i guess best thing to do is acquire all the parts myself and just pay for the labor, he said hell charge me 300 for the labor and another 300 plus tax on parts, so im guessing it will be more than 600 including tax...

[stl95celica]

i just bought a doner POS car for $500 with the 5sfe and every thing i need for a manual swap

[trdproven]

Good job, make sure everything on my list is still on the donor car, you might want to still get some things new like throwoutbearing, clutch master cyl, slave cyl, clutch cables, clutch, etc. Most things on the list are recommended to buy new only the more hard to find parts like the tranny, pedals, maybe bolts, etc. are the ones you need to buy used. Do you plan to just reuse all the used parts? You'd be more satisfied and less headaches later to get some of the stuff new now.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Mar 6, 2009 - 12:06 AM

[sunwukongg]

so do you guys think 1,500-2k would cover the cost of parts and labor for the swap?

and if i were to do the swap myself i guess id only have to pay about $700 for parts?