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would u swap or turbo and why?
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post Oct 15, 2003 - 4:53 AM
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ok i just wanted to know what you would do and why?


I say Turbo cause for me that is the best option... I can install the turbo myself in one day once i have all the parts... I'll be able to still pass emissions and if i don't i can just pull the turbo out and make the car N/A again...i'll also be about to get a turbo and the rest of the part for a lot less then i could get a jdm engine... and i'm not out to make crazy hp anything more then 200 is to much for me.. i just want a little more kick then what i already have.

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post Oct 15, 2003 - 7:27 AM
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I voted Swap because I to have a 95 coupe and My engine is running strong but I don't now if it will last and I don't have $2000 bucks or more to throw on my engine that might just die.


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post Oct 15, 2003 - 7:57 AM
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I voted TURBO, cuz in my case there is practicly NO chance to find good motor for swap (3S-GTE or 4A-GZE) and i can Turbo my engine for low 800$... So smile.gif


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post Oct 15, 2003 - 11:40 AM
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i say swap. More power and a lot more options on tunning.

my swap is almost done.
post Oct 15, 2003 - 1:11 PM
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i already turboed my car, lol

i did it because of less down time, emissions laws, and the fact that my car is still under warranty and an ST auto.

weather you should swap or turbo is up to the car and the owner. depends on where you live and how much money you have.

thee is no set answer as to which to do. but if you want all out power, its better to do a swap.


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post Oct 15, 2003 - 5:45 PM
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For the money your better off with a swap.


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post Oct 15, 2003 - 6:33 PM
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Swap. But if you only have a little bit of money, turbo is better.
post Oct 15, 2003 - 9:51 PM
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Turbo'in the 5 is going to be almost as expensive.



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post Oct 15, 2003 - 10:30 PM
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Turbo the 5s or 7a and try to break the zombie effect on the 3s which is running rampant. For no apparent reason.
post Oct 15, 2003 - 10:42 PM
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- swap

why upgrade just a small part of the motor when you can do the whole thing??

if your gonna do something do it right or don't do it at all.

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Turbo'in the 5 is going to be almost as expensive.


if you wanted to get really technical by the time your done with a turbo conversion its gonna cost more - expessially when you add in the cost of a new motor....

I have said this over and over and seen it happen over and over.. turboing a N/A vehicle is a bad idea unless you plan to rebuild the whole motor.. and by the time you get done doing that your gonna spend as much if not more turboin a N/A motor than a 3sgte swap and you still wont ever come close to the stock power and reliablity of the 3s - period.

And that I don't want to go over 200hp bit is crap - cuz as soon as some car beats you at 200hp its gonna get old and you will wanna go bigger and faster and eventually your gonna turn that boost up too much and >BLAM< there goes your motor frown.gif

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post Oct 15, 2003 - 10:49 PM
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post Oct 15, 2003 - 10:56 PM
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i'm with stupid


for the sake of not getting into another arguement I'll just assume your quoting the t-shirt


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post Oct 15, 2003 - 11:01 PM
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http://celica.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?u...c;f=29;t=004719

maybe that will help a little with the decision.


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post Oct 15, 2003 - 11:05 PM
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I currently have a coolant leak somewhere so she is down again


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post Oct 15, 2003 - 11:06 PM
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my 2nd motor will be getting some work done to it than for plans of larger boost and a home made intake manifold if i get the right equipment


at least he plans ahead LMAO even more


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post Oct 15, 2003 - 11:15 PM
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he has had bad luck. but the engine problems came from when he had the engine rebuilt before he went turbo.


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post Oct 15, 2003 - 11:28 PM
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he has had bad luck. but the engine problems came from when he had the engine rebuilt before he went turbo.


an coolant leak in a motor that is not obiously from the radiator or radiator hoses 9 times outta 10 is a blown gasket.. usaully the head gasket - which is bad.

Granted it is in a head gaskets nature to go bad... thats what they do.

But It would not surprise me at all if it is a direct result of added boost to a N/A motor.. I have seen the exact thing happen before - if hes lucky he will just had a small little hole in one of the corners of the head gasket and hopefully not too much of the coolant has mixed in to the oil. He will be lucky if the car runs for another 6 months. And I really doubt that he would overlook the fact to redo the head gasket when he had the motor rebuilt.. even moreso if he is talking about takling the job of custom making an intake manifold.

97sccelica I know that you are a fan of the turboed 7a.. hey thats fine but really weight the pros and cons of a project before you start it


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post Oct 15, 2003 - 11:30 PM
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People can we really stop burying the n/a to turbo setups-christ its getting old. Im turbocharging my 5s with 77k miles on it at 6-7psi. So I imagine from eveyones thoughts is ..its gonna blow its not worth it, get over yourself and the 3s dream. We all have different hp goals and i want 165whp...so what if a mustang beats me Im gonna wanna keep building.....no. There will always alwalys be someone faster and a motor swap is not for everyone and a T-setup is not for everyone. So the whole "its not worht it" is really getting old...its all HP right and keeping everything in safe parameters is what its all about. I dont want to argure the damn swap with anyone but open your mind and realize there are several other options that make HP weather it be bulding the head of the 5s...swapping the 3sgte...T-charging 5s or 7a so all in all. Do what YOU feel is right..not what the more popular reply is.
post Oct 15, 2003 - 11:57 PM
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People can we really stop burying the n/a to turbo setups-christ its getting old. Im turbocharging my 5s with 77k miles on it at 6-7psi. So I imagine from eveyones thoughts is ..its gonna blow its not worth it, get over yourself and the 3s dream. We all have different hp goals and i want 165whp...so what if a mustang beats me Im gonna wanna keep building.....no. There will always alwalys be someone faster and a motor swap is not for everyone and a T-setup is not for everyone. So the whole "its not worht it" is really getting old...its all HP right and keeping everything in safe parameters is what its all about. I dont want to argure the damn swap with anyone but open your mind and realize there are several other options that make HP weather it be bulding the head of the 5s...swapping the 3sgte...T-charging 5s or 7a so all in all. Do what YOU feel is right..not what the more popular reply is.


I am just trying to tell people to do it right if your gonna do something like turbo a N/A motor.. Read the other topics about this subject and you will see the same thing. I have help to turbo N/A cars before and the result has always been less than satisfying (sp?).

You see me as someone just trying to jump on a band wagon - please don't it insults me. I did this swap quite a while ago - and am currently redoing the whole thing to make it even better than before.... I am just trying to tell people that the 3s or 4a swap is going to be a better route and always will, simply because those motors are built for boost where the 7a and 5s are not.

If you are turboing your car just for the cool "whooosh" noise then just buy a simulator and move on cuz your doing it for the wrong reasons.

Im trying to help you from putting your self into a potentually more expensive and longer process of modifying and probably replacing your motor, trust me a blown motor SUCKS I have gone threw my fair share of blown motors, And you flame me for it..... WTF??!?!?!

If you are sick of reading about this discussion... 3s or turboed 5s/7a.. then dont read the topic.. think SWAP OR TURBO for the title would tell you what its about - apparently not.

If mommy and daddy wont let you do a swap then research your butt off and do your homework and then sit them down and explain them the benifts of doing a swap vs turboing it, present it in the most favorable light but dont lie about it and let them make a desicion based on the facts.


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post Oct 16, 2003 - 1:01 AM
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First of, no one was talking to just "you" but you want to take it as a direct reply, thats cool. And another thing @ss, Im 21 I own my own appartment, pay bills, father died, moms sicker than s***. I decide what I want and I was simply stating that alot of "you" talk about the swap and never do it and always reccomend it. There are other alternatives than a damn swap genius(such as custom T-kit).
DO NOT make assumptions of other people when you dont know jack about them and again no-one was talking directly to you so ease off.

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post Oct 16, 2003 - 2:04 AM
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Ok boys lets cool down....
both of you have great points...
yea the swap is better if you want to do more in the future, but yea there are some people that just want a little more power nothin crazy just something to make that midnight tiggermart run a little more fun... i'm one of those people, i will be slapping on a turbo simple cause of the laws in my state. specifical when it comes to insurance. an engine was would not be covered puls that would raise my insure way more then what i could ever pay. if i blow my engine well thats on me i rather blow the stock engine then blow a 3s or 4a cause just because they are built for boost doesn't mean that they can't blow.. Like i was told by some one that knows more about engine then Bill Gates knows about computers... told me
an engine can only do what you let it...

oh yea another thing just a question for everyone with a swap.. i'm not knocking you for doing it cause i really wish i lived in a state were i can do it and had the money to do it.... but back to my question How do you really know how many miles your engine has when you swap it in??

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For the money, your better off with the Turbo
post Oct 16, 2003 - 1:31 PM
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First of, no one was talking to just "you" but you want to take it as a direct reply, thats cool

seeing as how I was the only one really replying about doing the swap at the time of your reply it was pretty apparent that you where refering to me.

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And another thing @ss

*sighs* completely uncalled for

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Im 21 I own my own appartment, pay bills, father died, moms sicker than s***.

Sorry that your father died and your moms sick - but you dont get to pick your life,its handed to you, and to complain about it is pointless so stop. Deal with the hand life has delt you. about the appartment and bills... welcome to the real world kid biggrin.gif

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I decide what I want

thats independence at it's finest... although you will come to find out that when you think you are in control is when you are are least in control

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I was simply stating that alot of "you" talk about the swap

I talk about the swap alot cuz it is the best thing I have ever done for any of the cars the I have owned or helped to modify... and that is a BIG list.

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and never do it

I had my swap done probably before you had ever even heard of a 3sgte... let alone have a celica.

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always reccomend it

People have a tendancy to reccomend what has worked for them

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There are other alternatives than a damn swap genius(such as custom T-kit).

Congrats captian obvious! yes there are other alternatives... hence this topic - if there was no other options we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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Just a side note here - I have an average IQ of 186 taken from 5 different IQ tests... for those that dont know average IQ is 100 and genius is 200, I have scored as high as 193... so I guess genius is kinda fitting LMAO i just cant spell worth a damn biggrin.gif

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DO NOT make assumptions of other people when you dont know jack about them

LMAO! thats fine but what the hell are you doing? I post on my experince and what I have found to be true from YEARS of building cars... and if you go back and reread my last post you will see that I am not actually discuraging people from a turbo kit... I am just trying to make people aware that it might not be the best option, and if your going to do something (weither I think it is a bad choice or not) at least take the time to do it right.

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and again no-one was talking directly to you so ease off.

pretty sure I covered this one at the top of the post...


5sfeTurbo... do what the hell you want to your car.. I really don't care, but if I see a post on here 6months, year or some time after you turbo your celi about a "blown motor" or "I got a problem or "car is making a noise" or anyother thing like that expect an "I TOLD YOU SO" from me.

macavely whats up man? I'm perfectly cool biggrin.gif what ever happened to that MR2 motor you where gonna get? and yea your right.. any motor can blow, thats why it is important to do things the right way and not rush stuff.

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but back to my question How do you really know how many miles your engine has when you swap it in??

You really dont ever know.. tearing the motor apart and doing a rebuild will give you a clue as to how hard the motor has been beaten but not really tell you how many miles there are one it. Best bet is to get your motor from a reputable place.

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For the money, your better off with the Turbo

Not really true.. granted at 1st look it may seem cheaper.... but by the time you get it all done right your looking at about the same as a 3sgte motor.

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post Oct 16, 2003 - 4:58 PM
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let my cosin have it seeing as it will drop right into his MR2... we are going to trun that into a monster...lol ...lol ..lol... yea i have problems and hey i scored a 190 an my IQ test and can't spell to save my life...whats up with that...and i guess i'm just hard headed cause i have it stuck in my head that i can boost up to 200hp and keep it as any everyday driver... i like pushing things to limits other people suggest against....lol lol i told you people i have problems... lol lol


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QUOTE (NEVERSTOP @ Oct 16, 2003 - 11:31 AM)
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First of, no one was talking to just "you" but you want to take it as a direct reply, thats cool

seeing as how I was the only one really replying about doing the swap at the time of your reply it was pretty apparent that you where refering to me.

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And another thing @ss

*sighs* completely uncalled for

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Im 21 I own my own appartment, pay bills, father died, moms sicker than s***.

Sorry that your father died and your moms sick - but you dont get to pick your life,its handed to you, and to complain about it is pointless so stop. Deal with the hand life has delt you. about the appartment and bills... welcome to the real world kid biggrin.gif

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I decide what I want

thats independence at it's finest... although you will come to find out that when you think you are in control is when you are are least in control

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I was simply stating that alot of "you" talk about the swap

I talk about the swap alot cuz it is the best thing I have ever done for any of the cars the I have owned or helped to modify... and that is a BIG list.

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and never do it

I had my swap done probably before you had ever even heard of a 3sgte... let alone have a celica.

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always reccomend it

People have a tendancy to reccomend what has worked for them

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There are other alternatives than a damn swap genius(such as custom T-kit).

Congrats captian obvious! yes there are other alternatives... hence this topic - if there was no other options we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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genius

Just a side note here - I have an average IQ of 186 taken from 5 different IQ tests... for those that dont know average IQ is 100 and genius is 200, I have scored as high as 193... so I guess genius is kinda fitting LMAO i just cant spell worth a damn biggrin.gif

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DO NOT make assumptions of other people when you dont know jack about them

LMAO! thats fine but what the hell are you doing? I post on my experince and what I have found to be true from YEARS of building cars... and if you go back and reread my last post you will see that I am not actually discuraging people from a turbo kit... I am just trying to make people aware that it might not be the best option, and if your going to do something (weither I think it is a bad choice or not) at least take the time to do it right.

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and again no-one was talking directly to you so ease off.

pretty sure I covered this one at the top of the post...


5sfeTurbo... do what the hell you want to your car.. I really don't care, but if I see a post on here 6months, year or some time after you turbo your celi about a "blown motor" or "I got a problem or "car is making a noise" or anyother thing like that expect an "I TOLD YOU SO" from me.

macavely whats up man? I'm perfectly cool biggrin.gif what ever happened to that MR2 motor you where gonna get? and yea your right.. any motor can blow, thats why it is important to do things the right way and not rush stuff.

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but back to my question How do you really know how many miles your engine has when you swap it in??

You really dont ever know.. tearing the motor apart and doing a rebuild will give you a clue as to how hard the motor has been beaten but not really tell you how many miles there are one it. Best bet is to get your motor from a reputable place.

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For the money, your better off with the Turbo

Not really true.. granted at 1st look it may seem cheaper.... but by the time you get it all done right your looking at about the same as a 3sgte motor.


NEVERSTOP running your mouth do you?
You must have a complex in which you feel that your actions or words are always justifiable, and you show your obsessiveness for making sure your reply was justified with that utterly pointless reply(mocking my every sentence) I am glad your a genius no really thats comendable. But dont jump to conclusions, on my 1st response to this post(repeating myself) I was not talking directly to you or at you, but some geniuses have flaws or close to geniuses I should say. Yes you may have a swap, good job, but 98% of us dont and reccomend it whole knocking the stock motors. But this is getting tireing, reply with what you want here Im done.

By the way I had no issues with you before you replied back with what you though was a flamming on my part(which again was not)

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ok 5S-FE turbo

I think what most people are referring too is that if you boost a n/a motor that was never made for boost its not going to be as reliable and a car that was stock with the turbo.

who cares about how much power each engine can produce. we all know the the 3s-gte will give you atleast 200hp. thats at stock boost and very reliable. people with MR2'r and All trac's/Gt-Fours have 200K+ miles (some of them) and there engine is as strong as ever. boosting a 5s-fe at that many miles you know and i know...it just wont stand up to the boost.

and like you said...its all preference.

i wouldnt say the money issue because 3s-gte's are getting pretty cheap nowadays. you can get a clip for 1500 and do the wiring for 450. do it yourself and thats all you pay. yea the 5s-fe or 7a-fe turbo kit is LESS upfront and they can be safely boosted, also think about how long you want your engine to live for.
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I have read that the 4age can be boosted up to 10 psi on stock internals with no problem is that true?
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hahaha this is funny. I am doing the 5sfTe my self but either is a good way to go. You have to just remember you cant just throw it all on your car and call it a day. Any setup takes months of planing and researching before you should even pop the hood. The 3sgte is a beast and that is why it can hold more boost (it was built for it). The 5sfe can also hold boost well. The thing with the 5sfe is there is almost no room for error. You have to spend the money to properly tune the engine or detonation will kill your engine in no time. I think the 3sgte people should take a look at what it takes to turbo the 5sfe to gain some knowladge of the pros and cons. So they know more than "It never works" "The motor will blow". And in turn all of the 5sfte/7afTe people should do the same.
This site doesn't need its members at each others throuts because there is a difference in someones views. We are healping no one this way. If say I knew as much about the 3sgte swap as I do about the 5afTe and NEVERSTOP knew the same about the 5sfTe just think about how much more information we could provide.
1 thing I do believe is that you shouldn't knock it until you have tried it. 5sfeturbo, you have been reading and asking questions but you still have not turbo'ed your car right? Please atleast give NEVERSTOP the benifit of atempting one or the other.

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hahaha this is funny. I am doing the 5sfTe my self but either is a good way to go. You have to just remember you cant just throw it all on your car and call it a day. Any setup takes months of planing and researching before you should even pop the hood. The 3sgte is a beast and that is why it can hold more boost (it was built for it). The 5sfe can also hold boost well. The thing with the 5sfe is there is almost no room for error. You have to spend the money to properly tune the engine or detonation will kill your engine in no time. I think the 3sgte people should take a look at what it takes to turbo the 5sfe to gain some knowladge of the pros and cons. So they know more than "It never works" "The motor will blow". And in turn all of the 5sfte/7afTe people should do the same.
This site doesn't need its members at each others throuts because there is a difference in someones views. We are healping no one this way. If say I knew as much about the 3sgte swap as I do about the 5afTe and NEVERSTOP knew the same about the 5sfTe just think about how much more information we could provide.
1 thing I do believe is that you shouldn't knock it until you have tried it. 5sfeturbo, you have been reading and asking questions but you still have not turbo'ed your car right? Please atleast give NEVERSTOP the benifit of atempting one or the other.

-Bryan-

Nicely put

and I have turboed N/A motors before... so I know the benifits of stock turboed motors and N/A's with turbos... granted I have not turboed a N/A Celica motor before but I can draw my own conclusions based on my personal experince.

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NEVERSTOP running your mouth do you?
You must have a complex in which you feel that your actions or words are always justifiable, and you show your obsessiveness for making sure your reply was justified with that utterly pointless reply(mocking my every sentence) I am glad your a genius no really thats comendable. But dont jump to conclusions, on my 1st response to this post(repeating myself) I was not talking directly to you or at you, but some geniuses have flaws or close to geniuses I should say. Yes you may have a swap, good job, but 98% of us dont and reccomend it whole knocking the stock motors. But this is getting tireing, reply with what you want here Im done.

By the way I had no issues with you before you replied back with what you though was a flamming on my part(which again was not)

Later.

Please just give it up man, If I sound like I have a "complex" to use your words it is because I have spent the majority of my life building cars the right way.. I honestly cant count the number of cars I have help build... so it irrates me when someone with *how long ago was it that the damn movie come out???* experince trying to tell me whats what... so stop.

If you wanna turbo your car GO AHEAD just pay attention to what you are doing and make sure you have everything 1st.. do your homework... and 6months later or so I dont wanna hear a peep outta you when you mess up your motor cuz you rushed it and missed something.



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QUOTE (NEVERSTOP @ Oct 16, 2003 - 10:15 PM)
Nicely put

and I have turboed N/A motors before... so I know the benifits of stock turboed motors and N/A's with turbos... granted I have not turboed a N/A Celica motor before but I can draw my own conclusions based on my personal experince.

Thanks....I hope you dont think I was tryng to say you didn't know or even put you down, I was just using that as an example.

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yea no prob bryan I knew what you ment


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My personal opinion, if your goal is around 200HP why not just swap in a st185 since its power at the wheels is around that? Its easier, cheaper, and in the long run you car will last longer. I can understand if you have to pass certain emission laws and all depending where you are at, as in Cali. But honestly, turboing a N/A you are just destroying it. Thats like taking a 5year old child with ADD or ADHD and giving him a bottle of speed and a hit of ectasy! You are just killing it because the body wasn't ment for that kind of punishment. Not only that but most people have a engine with high miles on it as it is. Why spend several grand on a engine that is gonna die in a year or two anyways? (maybe a lil longer). When you can swap in a JDM st185 and get a better gain, more reliability, and cheaper? Also, for the problems with the swaps, the only problems with doing it is f0cking up on the wiring harness, as for that you are set. The A/C problem on the swaps has been figured out so that your A/C-Heater will work. So boys and girls, lets face it, it is more feasible to swap than turbo N/A engines. Its like feeding heroin to a baby! All and all, Turbo N/A=Blown Motor/waste of money............Swap=Cheaper/reliability

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QUOTE (NEVERSTOP @ Oct 15, 2003 - 9:28 PM)
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he has had bad luck. but the engine problems came from when he had the engine rebuilt before he went turbo.


an coolant leak in a motor that is not obiously from the radiator or radiator hoses 9 times outta 10 is a blown gasket.. usaully the head gasket - which is bad.

Granted it is in a head gaskets nature to go bad... thats what they do.

But It would not surprise me at all if it is a direct result of added boost to a N/A motor.. I have seen the exact thing happen before - if hes lucky he will just had a small little hole in one of the corners of the head gasket and hopefully not too much of the coolant has mixed in to the oil. He will be lucky if the car runs for another 6 months. And I really doubt that he would overlook the fact to redo the head gasket when he had the motor rebuilt.. even moreso if he is talking about takling the job of custom making an intake manifold.

97sccelica I know that you are a fan of the turboed 7a.. hey thats fine but really weight the pros and cons of a project before you start it

theres a hole in a molded line, its just aged. not a boosting related problem...also to stop the turboing an n/a motor, check the sportivo corolla. factor boosted 7afe. the f serise head in the 7a takes the boost fine. as long as the fueling is correct and the intake charge in intercooled i feel there will not be any problems.

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NEVERSTOP

I am apologizing outright. I acted like a kid but i respect your knowledge on cars but you need to know I wasnt flamming you.

I also learned alot from this site, and I feel properly doing the 5SFTE would be the best thing, reasons for not doing 3sgte.....
I have an automatic-not a fan tranny swaps.
Inspection in MD would be suicide
The mechanics in would be "iffy at best" I need complete assurance
Altered Atmosphere(fasttest VR-4 home) wants it for a month
They wanna do a stand alone(how would Mike do my wires) I dissconnect every wire from both cars?

I know the 3sgte could be a monster, but my location and tranny just stop me from it all.

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QUOTE (zipstrips @ Oct 17, 2003 - 4:29 PM)
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he has had bad luck. but the engine problems came from when he had the engine rebuilt before he went turbo.


an coolant leak in a motor that is not obiously from the radiator or radiator hoses 9 times outta 10 is a blown gasket.. usaully the head gasket - which is bad.

Granted it is in a head gaskets nature to go bad... thats what they do.

But It would not surprise me at all if it is a direct result of added boost to a N/A motor.. I have seen the exact thing happen before - if hes lucky he will just had a small little hole in one of the corners of the head gasket and hopefully not too much of the coolant has mixed in to the oil. He will be lucky if the car runs for another 6 months. And I really doubt that he would overlook the fact to redo the head gasket when he had the motor rebuilt.. even moreso if he is talking about takling the job of custom making an intake manifold.

97sccelica I know that you are a fan of the turboed 7a.. hey thats fine but really weight the pros and cons of a project before you start it

theres a hole in a molded line, its just aged. not a boosting related problem...also to stop the turboing an n/a motor, check the sportivo corolla. factor boosted 7afe. the f serise head in the 7a takes the boost fine. as long as the fueling is correct and the intake charge in intercooled i feel there will not be any problems.

http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_...04_toyturbo.htm

http://www.antebellumcovers.com/CharlieCarPics/corolla7afte/

and i did wiegh out the pros and cons.

spent 6 months saving money untill i decided what i really wanted to do.

then spent another 8 months gathering parts and doing further research

then took me 2 months(working only on the weekends) to fabricate everything i needed, test fit things, and check everything 4 times. to get everything installed. and that includes time it took to fix an EGR problem that the toyota dealer kept giving me the run around on suggesting various little parts that cost over $150.

that brings me to the present. got a fully working car with a enough power for me(for a FWD daily driven car) and no problems other than the ones caused by my stupidity with routing the oil return line.

any engine can be turboed and the only reason the CR comes into play is that the higer the CR, the more fuel you will have to pump in to prevent detonation. there are turboed civics and integras everywere, same with corollas with 7afe engines.

and i have said that in the end an engine swap is needed for the best performance and lowest cost.

but with my setup, i doubt i could get all the parts i would need for a tranny swap and a 3sgte front clip for the $1600 or so i have spent.

and if i have to get a smog check, it takes me about 2 hours max to take ALL the parts out.

for my car and my situation, Turbo was the move for me.

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rebuild and turbo the 7A kid...we all know the 7afe is a boost-happy motor. that one guy from celica.net (forget his name) boosted 12psi or somethin and nothin ever happened, and that was on a stock motor. also, for those that don't realize it, toyota produced a 7afte, it was just never here in the states, or in japan. so, if toyota turbo'ed it for a production car, it'll be just fine and handle the boost from a home-grown kit of 5psi+, as long as it's done w/ sufficient knowledge. smile.gif.


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Other than the burien kits acsessories, and intercooler/pipping-T timer-SAFCII and boost controller...what else would classify my project as well though out. I mean am i missing anything to boost reliably. Maybee a tranny coolant, I dont know thats why Im here. 7psi should be adequate taking time.
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QUOTE (5sfeTurbo @ Oct 18, 2003 - 12:24 PM)
Other than the burien kits acsessories, and intercooler/pipping-T timer-SAFCII and boost controller...what else would classify my project as well though out. I mean am i missing anything to boost reliably. Maybee a tranny coolant, I dont know thats why Im here. 7psi should be adequate taking time.

what are you planning as far as fuel delivery? have you thought about upgrading the fuel pump or injectors? FYI, the MKiv supra NA inline6 fuel pump fits and plugs right into the celica's in-tank bracket/harness...that's the pump i'm using for my GZE. smile.gif. the injectors should be fine, but you may think about upgrading them, but i would as least upgrade the pump. you can find a nice one from a junkyard for 40-60 bucks. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Mynzeyes @ Oct 18, 2003 - 11:28 AM)
QUOTE (5sfeTurbo @ Oct 18, 2003 - 12:24 PM)
Other than the burien kits acsessories, and intercooler/pipping-T timer-SAFCII and boost controller...what else would classify my project as well though out. I mean am i missing anything to boost reliably. Maybee a tranny coolant, I dont know thats why Im here. 7psi should be adequate taking time.

what are you planning as far as fuel delivery? have you thought about upgrading the fuel pump or injectors? FYI, the MKiv supra NA inline6 fuel pump fits and plugs right into the celica's in-tank bracket/harness...that's the pump i'm using for my GZE. smile.gif. the injectors should be fine, but you may think about upgrading them, but i would as least upgrade the pump. you can find a nice one from a junkyard for 40-60 bucks. smile.gif

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The kit consists of the following...
Toyomoto exhaust manifold
Garrett TB0344 turbo
Down pipe
Intake pipe
K&N filter
Intermediate pipe(between the turbo and throttle body)
HKS Racing Blow-off/Pop-off valve
4 360cc Toyota Injectors
Oil pan
Map Sensor
All necessary hoses, clamps, nuts, bolts, fittings, studs, gaskets and such required to install the system.
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QUOTE (5sfeTurbo @ Oct 18, 2003 - 11:36 AM)
QUOTE (Mynzeyes @ Oct 18, 2003 - 11:28 AM)
QUOTE (5sfeTurbo @ Oct 18, 2003 - 12:24 PM)
Other than the burien kits acsessories, and intercooler/pipping-T timer-SAFCII and boost controller...what else would classify my project as well though out. I mean am i missing anything to boost reliably. Maybee a tranny coolant, I dont know thats why Im here. 7psi should be adequate taking time.

what are you planning as far as fuel delivery? have you thought about upgrading the fuel pump or injectors? FYI, the MKiv supra NA inline6 fuel pump fits and plugs right into the celica's in-tank bracket/harness...that's the pump i'm using for my GZE. smile.gif. the injectors should be fine, but you may think about upgrading them, but i would as least upgrade the pump. you can find a nice one from a junkyard for 40-60 bucks. smile.gif

The kit has:
What's Included


The kit consists of the following...
Toyomoto exhaust manifold
Garrett TB0344 turbo
Down pipe
Intake pipe
K&N filter
Intermediate pipe(between the turbo and throttle body)
HKS Racing Blow-off/Pop-off valve
4 360cc Toyota Injectors
Oil pan
Map Sensor
All necessary hoses, clamps, nuts, bolts, fittings, studs, gaskets and such required to install the system.

i strongly encurage you to fab a intercooler set up, and install a piggyback such as an SAFC. take it to the dyno to be tuned for your boost settings. MBC's should also be over looked, a boost spike could cost you big bucks.

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ooooo, nice...um, i'd get that supra fuel pump, or the walboro pump that's on ebay these days...just to make sure the injectors pump nice and hard...shouldn't have a problem w/ that being a kit, but me and charlie had a problem w/ his injectors being too big for his fuel system..but as i said, their kit is tried and true, but i'd add it for the few extra bucks, just to give the fuel system that little extra kick. wink.gif.


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Thanks much mynzeyes, Ill for sure hook it up. Another piece of the jig saw done biggrin.gif
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5sfeturbo.....Find me On AIM I am in MD and also turboing my 5sfe, you should deff get a msd btm to control your timing.

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QUOTE (Mynzeyes @ Oct 18, 2003 - 10:09 AM)
rebuild and turbo the 7A kid...we all know the 7afe is a boost-happy motor. that one guy from celica.net (forget his name) boosted 12psi or somethin and nothin ever happened, and that was on a stock motor. also, for those that don't realize it, toyota produced a 7afte, it was just never here in the states, or in japan. so, if toyota turbo'ed it for a production car, it'll be just fine and handle the boost from a home-grown kit of 5psi+, as long as it's done w/ sufficient knowledge. smile.gif.

he ran a whole lot higher than that, lol

he was running 15psi for a bit until he decided that he was gonnag et a supra TT and for about a week he ran 25psi, i think. then he took off the turbo of.


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