What to do, what would you do? Options

[Superaison]

Ok

Problem:

I have a 94 ST Coupe 5 Speed. 222735 miles

Orig problem: Overheated, cylinders filled with coolant.
Cause; Headgasket? Thermostat?

Needs: Front end wobbling fixed, cleaned, head gasket, windshield, paint job, rear brakes, spoiler reattached, trunk lid fixed.

How much would that cost?

Benifits: None, have to get rid of it.. If I could keep it then it'd be easier to fix imo and cheaper, and it has a new clutch (5k miles ago)
For more OLD info and pics:

http://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/1368413976.html

Here is Coupe pics:





Now, I could trade it for a;

95 ST Hatchback 5 Speed 181k miles
Problem: Spun bearing(but needs engine atm?)

Needs: Engine installed, cleaned up a bit, ignition(where key goes), interior needs swept, paint job, and i'd do the clutch while I Was at it, and idk what else, maybe random rust fixed?

Benifits of 95 ST:

Still same isurence, dad likes celicas, its a hatch, sun roof, power windows + locks

Thing is, to trade the other guy wants my car running, i HAVE to get rid of my car, my dad is demanding i get rid of it. I could replace the headgasket and trade him, then toss an engine in this car... But idk how much work that will be, because of the condition of the hatchback's engine bay.

Here is pics of the hatch:












It seems as though someone just kinda unbolted whatever was attatched and left it there. I really dont like how the tranny is just sitting there, but it dont seem damaged at the moment. The engine originally spun a bearing.


What would YOU do?

This post has been edited by Superaison: Sep 17, 2009 - 4:59 PM

[Jamchell]

Hmm he wants to trade you a car with no engine for a running car? Sounds like he would be making out on the deal to me with the condition of those 2 vehicles in mind and that they are both ST. I know the other one is a hatch and it has power equip but still not a good investment IMO. I'm a bit confused as to why you would do this trade is there some sort of sentimental reason you have to get rid of your car? Would there be some other offset to the deal here like your car has a salvage title and this other one is clean?


As far as getting rid of your car, if you have room to store it then parting it out would net you the most money probably. But it seems like thats not an option, wouldnt you have a problem with trading for a not running car if you have to get rid of this one for similar reasons?


I'd try to convince the other guy to do a straight across trade, both not running or nvm. If not then I'd save the car for parts and buy a either a running GT hatch or one ready for a swap, figure out what I could cannibalize from the ST and then part out rest or sell to yard. I got mine for 2400 they are cheap these days.

[Superaison]

Thing is, my dad hates my car. I can not keep it. And my car is not currently running, he is gonna pay me $200 to fix it. So then i'd have $700 to fix the silver celica. He is also buying head gasket.

[garin]

you might not just have a head gasket problem. your car has 200,000 miles. you could have a cracked head too. i think you should factor in all of the pros and cons. did you ever remove a head before? do you know how to do timing? all these things add up if you take it to a shop. if you do it yourself make sure you know what you are doing... sounds like no matter what your gonna be spending money... my opinion is if you like your car fix it up, maybe put a new motor in... that other car seems like just as much work.

This post has been edited by garin: Sep 19, 2009 - 1:26 AM

[Superaison]

Once again, I am not 18, and even after i'm 18, i'll still be on my dads insurence. I have to listen to him.. He is my father, if I had my way i'd fix my car no doubt.. Except, I don't. And my engine is not the original engine. I know that for a fact.

I can't keep my car.

This post has been edited by Superaison: Sep 17, 2009 - 9:28 PM

[jcaron9gt4]

So he won't let you keep your car...but he will let you get another celica in far worse (no engine) condition?

[Superaison]

Well, little does he know i'm gonna fix that before he see's it.. i'm sneaky lmao... This is way it works

push it down street to friends house, fix celi, tell dad i sold it.
get the other, fix it in a week or so to his "standards", maybe 2, not sure...
drive to my house, and be like
LOOK! I baught this for $300 and all it needed was a tail light and paint job!

He will shut up lmao.

Everybody does bad things, but this isn't the worst. it'll work... it's bad i have to act like this, he is so strict it's ****ed up.

[808celica]

Sell both, go to school, set a career, buy a Lexus.

[Superaison]

Sell both, go to school, set a career, buy a Lexus.

Sums it all up. lol.

[garin]

you are asking for advice weather or not to trade you car or fix it...? it seems like you already know what you wanna do...? i'm not trying to be mean or rude... but i'm not sure if it is worth it to fix your car and then get another one that you will need to fix as well... that is a lot of time and money just for another 1.8l st. may i ask why is your dad so against the celica that you have?... reconstruction title... the fact that it has 200,000 miles?... just trying to help!

[Superaison]

It has a clean title. May he is jelous, because he has a saturn.

[garin]

you do get where i am coming from though... right? this stuff is very time consuming... and costly! the rational thing to do would to buy a new engine for your car, if you like it, and your dad approves! fixing your car to trade for one with no motor doesn't make sense? so i would...
1) swap the engine, if you like your celica and have the approval of your dad.
2) sell the shell and find another project.
3) offer up this guy a deal that is more of an even trade... it seems like he would be getting the better deal...

just looking out for a fellow 6gcer!

[Superaison]

Well, I can not keep my car. No matter what. Even if my car has 22inch rims with spinners and lcd's out the ass because ice cube got ahold of it. I can NOT keep it. I am being paid to fix mine, the silver car has all the engine pieces, it just originally spun a bearing. Why would I buy an engine for my car when it just needs a head gasket? If anything the silver one needs an engine. Right now I want a car, and i feel these may be my only options. I'm sick of this saturn junk.

[richee3]

I'm a little confused as to what's happening... Your car only needs a new head gasket?? And your dad is paying you to fix it?

And the silver car only has a spun bearing but needs the whole motor?

You absolutely cannot keep your car. I've figured that much out. So you want to sell it, buy the silver one on the sly, put a new motor in it, show up with it at your house, and call it a day?

[Superaison]

I'm a little confused as to what's happening... Your car only needs a new head gasket?? And your dad is paying you to fix it?

And the silver car only has a spun bearing but needs the whole motor?

You absolutely cannot keep your car. I've figured that much out. So you want to sell it, buy the silver one on the sly, put a new motor in it, show up with it at your house, and call it a day?

You close, very.

The guy trading me with the silver car, is gonna pay me $200 to fix my car, and he is supplying head gasket (new). So it's not a even trade. That car will come with the engine, all the pieces that is, though. So I will most likely, if there is no damage, do a rebuild of some sort, within budget, and do the clutch while it's out. I think it's fair, but then again I have to sell my car for dirt and have only like $800 for a new running car(that would most likely be a piece of **** for $800), or sit here and cry lmao... then again i could fix mine and sell it, but i wouldn't get much.

My dad wants my car gone. I'll do the trade, get more money to fix the silver car, do w.e it takes to get it running at friends garage, and just show up one day and be like hey dad i got a new car for $1200 i saved!

He goes, oo i like, and tada..

Feels like sean of the dead with all these plans lmao

[SwissFerdi]

Pretty pointless of your dad, but if he insists.

[samir0189]

No offense man, but you're not giving us any options. lol.

You asked what we would do, but there is apparently only one thing to do, and it seems that you have your mind set (for you) because of your dad.

Sorry for being blunt.

[richee3]

If you get the silver car, I have a running 7AFE that you can just have. I don't want to deal with shipping it though, so that's kind of a drawback.

[GriffGirl]

Don't get the hatch, for a few reasons. One, you're just trading one problem for another. Two, it directly goes against what your father is telling you to do. That's the bottom line. Do what your father tells you. If he tells you to sell the car, then sell it. Otherwise, man up and approach your FATHER about trading the car you've got for the silver hatch - although I'm willing to be he'll tell you the same thing I'm telling you; you're just trading one problem for another.

Are you old enough to get a job? If you are, then get one. Start paying for your share of your auto insurance on your father's policy. That way YOU'RE the one paying insurance for a car that doesn't run (if you trade that guy) rather than your father. If you're old enough to have a car and drive it, you're old enough to get a job. Time to step up. And if your parents won't allow you to get a job, for whatever reason, then suck it up and do what you're told. You may not like it now, but trust me, it'll be a LOT better than going against what you've been told and sneaking around with this whole car thing. If you want to earn your father's trust and respect, you're going to have to show him the same trust in his judgment and respect for him as your father as you're hoping to earn.

[garin]

^^^i agree i think griff and i are on the same page!

[Superaison]

Nobody wants to hire around here. I live in a small small town, limited jobs. I do pay for insurence... But he still has hand. He likes Celica's, he just was mine in particular, gone.

[SwissFerdi]

If he likes Celicas, then he shouldn't have a problem with fixing yours...like Richee mentioned, you'd be able to pick up an engine from him, just make the drive.

[Superaison]

If he likes Celicas, then he shouldn't have a problem with fixing yours...like Richee mentioned, you'd be able to pick up an engine from him, just make the drive.

lol 7 hours That's a grip.

[SwissFerdi]

Free engine, I'd make the drive. You sound like you're in a position to save money.

[enderswift]

have you ever rebuilt/swapped an engine before? if you havent, then take the time you think its gonna take you and multiply that by 3. Then expect to go waaay over budget. unless you get that free engine...

[Superaison]

Only issue there is I do not have a truck. But I am contacting him.

[95CelicaST]

This thread = facepalm


How do you know it's a spun rod bearing? Because you're 17 and believe the man who's selling it? Don't you think that if it were as simple as that HE would fix his own car and use it? I'm betting he threw a rod, and it probably om nom'ed a cylinder wall. Expect to find little presents in the oil pan.

I'm sure your dad liked your car until you decided to paint it felony black. I think you need to pass on the silver Celica, because if the guy is PAYING you to fix your own sh*t, its because his will take more money.

You're going to need:

Engine
Possibly transmission
Clutch kit
Engine gasket set
Timing belt
Etc.


You're 17. I understand your dad is saying you need to sell your car, but I think if you were to grow a pair and sit down with him and explain the situation (because I'd bet your dad won't be happy when he finds out about you buying the silver one behind his back) to him, and let him know what the options are you'll find he will probably say no, because Michelle is right - you're fixing yours (getting paid - however you want to justify it) and then trading it for a broken one. You'll be in the exact same place, except one that hasn't been spraypainted.


Why don't you ask your father what he would think if you fixed yours, and got a cheap paint job to fix your mistake if he would be alright with keeping it for a while until you can sell it for more.

[Superaison]

^^ I did.


Know what he said?


"Still, too many problems"


But he doesn't understand those problems would be fixed.

[samir0189]

]I'm betting he threw a rod, and it probably om nom'ed a cylinder wall.

LMAO!

[njccmd2002]

ask him what are the problems with this one?

i dont see the difference a celica is a celica. bad engine is a bad engine.

you are just going from bad to worse, = deep Sh..

why would this other celica, that is a celica that has a bad engine be better for your dad

your digging up your own grave buddy

[Superaison]

Well, for one, it's not my car. and two, i will be fixing it at another persons house. and i'm not lying to him.. he never asked.. that's if i do do this.

And it's my only option, i'm broke, my car won't sell, i need a car. It sucks, yeah i know, but i'm ok with projects if i'm even allowed to do them. My dad is just a dick

[Nartanian]

Your dad isn't a dick when he pays for the house you live in, or puts food on the table. Just because you don't always agree with him doesn't make him a bad guy. Show some respect at least.

This post has been edited by Nartanian: Sep 22, 2009 - 4:56 PM

[njccmd2002]

Well, for one, it's not my car. and two, i will be fixing it at another persons house. and i'm not lying to him.. he never asked.. that's if i do do this.

And it's my only option, i'm broke, my car won't sell, i need a car. It sucks, yeah i know, but i'm ok with projects if i'm even allowed to do them. My dad is just a dick

yeah thats not lying, thats deceit.

[Superaison]

Your dad isn't a dick when he pays for the house you live in, or puts food on the table. Just because you don't always agree with him doesn't make him a bad guy. Show some respect at least.

you must realize that's the only thing he pays for(rarely pays for food). I pay for anything I want. The clothes on my back, the computer I am using, the internet i'm surfing(lol), the insurence, the car, gas, etc. All payed for by me. I'm 17 without a job.. I think I do a fair job. He could atleast let me have this. Wether he lieks it or not, if not, i'll sell the Celica, and I'll buy the saturn off him for $400, sell it, and just not have a car, instead squat on a few grand or whatever I make (he tries to sell a 95 saturn sl2 of his to me for $400 all the time, i hate saturns)

[Nartanian]

Why won't your dad let you keep the Celica if he likes Celica's in general though?

[SwissFerdi]

I hate to say this, but did you pay for the Celica? No matter what else you pay for, if he paid for it and it's in his name, it's his call. If you're paying insurance and it's in your name, then it's your property and, and I guess should be considered a gift, therefore you can do with it what you please.

[Superaison]

My celica is in my name. Always has been. I signed the title. But he is my father, so he can even still technically "take it away".. which is bull****. But he can't legally sell it.

[SwissFerdi]

No, that's the point. He might be able to kick you out of his house, but if the Celica is in your name, you're paying insurance on it, and the insurance itself is in your name, then he should have no say over it.

[Nartanian]

His dad does have a say. If the Celica is parked in his dads garage way or on his property then he can say something bout it. Superaison, I would keep your Celica and just repair it. You can always part what you can and sell it to a junk yard too, but I don't think that would be worth it.

[SwissFerdi]

Then drive it until it's off his property, my point is, if he paid for it in its entirety, then it should not matter, AFAIK.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Sep 23, 2009 - 10:26 PM

[Superaison]

Insurence is in his name, but i pay the difference. I give him $800 a year to be on it with my Celi.

[garin]

not trying to be mean, but it sounds like you know what you want... so go for it... plenty of people including myself have told you that this may not be the best trade... and you are going behind your dad's back.... so why ask questions if you are going to send everyone a some rebuttal?

[Superaison]

Well, not entirely.

Anyway, It's an equal trade at the moment. Non running car for a non running car, and I told my dad i'm trading my car for a 95 ST hatchback.. He said "Ok"..

[Nial]

Am I the only one who can see this ending in tears?...I guess not

Do yourself a favour, buy a cheap car that runs, no matter what it is, enough to get you from A to B, save up and buy yourself a running Celica in better condition when you can afford to.

It might not be your prefered idea, but as soon as you start playing your parents its bad news...if they find out and you destroy their trust in you it could make things very uncomfortable for you if you ever need them for anything else they might just tell you to take a hike. Swapping one ****ed up Celica for another seems like a crazy waste of time.

[Superaison]

Was thinking about fixing mine and selling it. Then buying maybe a honda....

[Nartanian]

If you fix it then why would you buy a honda?

[SwissFerdi]

Dude, you're jumping all over the place...I think you need to sit down and figure out what you really want.

[Superaison]

Why would I buy a honda? Well, 99% of my friends that fix cars, only fix hondas (and do **** with them).. So why not? They will do work I want done free (within reason).

But my toyota is just a huge project nobody wants. I think i'm gonna fix and sell. Then idk. I love celica's, I wanted a way to get another celica, but I guess that seems to be too big of an issue. Imo, it's not.

[njccmd2002]

way to go, hanging your boots.

ill die with my boots on

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Sep 24, 2009 - 7:04 PM

[samir0189]

Superaison man, you started this thread to ask people what they would do, but all i have seen is you shoot down every single idea anyone has posted.

Trade one useless non running celica for another? oh my, what progress you'd make!

WHY did you start this thread if you know what you wanna do?

If you want a honda, sell your celica, save on insurance for a while and buy a crappy honda.

This is one of the most pointless threads i have seen yet.

[SwissFerdi]

I understand why he'd make a thread, and I'm also pretty indecisive...so I wouldn't call it pointless. It should've just taken a lot less talk to get to this point, if anyone knows what I'm saying...

[Superaison]

^^^ I am very undecisive.


This is what i'm doing.

Plan A.)

Have a friend replace my headgasket, see if car runs.. If OK.. then;
See if dad lets me keep it(you know how if u actually put someone on the spot they have a different outcome?), if not, see if he atleast lets me drives it till it sells

Plan A2.)
Replace headgasket. If it don't work;
Trade that guy, buy an engine and replace(prolly a parts car I found).

How's that sound?

[Jamchell]

A1 sounds like a solid plan, A2 is risky though given your circumstances, and short cash flow. Just park it at friend's and part it out if it doesn't work. You will get way more for it this way than if you sell to J/Y or as a rolling chassis. Just the headlights are worth as much as you would get from a salvage yard lol.



Good Luck!

[Superaison]

I know lol. Well, A2 is what would happen if the car didnt run after head gasket.