2zz swap? Options

[HaysoosKreesto]

I was curious if a 2zz swap would be possible. As you may know I don't own a 6gc because I have no money , but I have always loved the 2zz (despite 7gc ... you know). It does great work in the Lotus Exige and I really admire the Lotus team for giving this great engine a new life.

It would be a devestating swap what with all the custom fitings and pipings, not to mention electrical work and mounting. Would it even be worth it to have VVTL-i in a 6gc? I know a 3sgte would be a far better use of money, I know that it is only succesful in the Lotus because of its superior internals and its incredibly light weight, blah blah blah. But it would be damn unique no?

edit: I got to learn to search these things before I ask... I have my answer already. My bad.

This post has been edited by HaysoosKreesto: Dec 26, 2009 - 4:18 AM

[lagos]

As you may know I don't own a 6gc because I have no money

It would be possible but it would require money.
Its not an easy swap though, and since you said you dont currently have a 6gc it might just be cheaper to buy an actual 7th gen GTS. You would essentially be getting the same thing.

[garin]

if you like the vvtl-i, do a beams vvti swap. kinda pricey, though. a few have done ot on here. 6gc's are all about 3sgte engine swapping. 7th gens aren't bad, just get one of them... look up newcelica.org

[95CelicaST]

The 2ZZ is only successful in the Lotus due to very low weight and the MR configuration. Its power-to-weight ratio is much higher than a 7th gen GT-S.

Your options for VVT technology in 6th gens are:

4AGE 20V (AE101 or AE111) swapped into a ST

Or

3SGE BEAMS redtop swapped into a GT.

[garin]

The 2ZZ is only successful in the Lotus due to very low weight and the MR configuration. Its power-to-weight ratio is much higher than a 7th gen GT-S.

Your options for VVT technology in 6th gens are:

4AGE 20V (AE101 or AE111) swapped into a ST

Or

3SGE BEAMS redtop swapped into a GT.

4a swap isn't worth it great engine in the corolla, not the 6gc.

[lagos]

The 2ZZ is only successful in the Lotus due to very low weight and the MR configuration. Its power-to-weight ratio is much higher than a 7th gen GT-S.

Your options for VVT technology in 6th gens are:

4AGE 20V (AE101 or AE111) swapped into a ST

Or

3SGE BEAMS redtop swapped into a GT.

4a swap isn't worth it great engine in the corolla, not the 6gc.

Truth!

[BonzaiCelica]

The 2ZZ is only successful in the Lotus due to very low weight and the MR configuration. Its power-to-weight ratio is much higher than a 7th gen GT-S.

Your options for VVT technology in 6th gens are:

4AGE 20V (AE101 or AE111) swapped into a ST

Or

3SGE BEAMS redtop swapped into a GT.

4age blacktop has vvt and 3sge beams redtop has VVT-i. you forgot to add vvt-i

[HaysoosKreesto]

if you like the vvtl-i, do a beams vvti swap. kinda pricey, though. a few have done ot on here. 6gc's are all about 3sgte engine swapping. 7th gens aren't bad, just get one of them... look up newcelica.org

I've driven the 7th gen and, well when you hit the lift its real nice , but other wise it is just not my cup of tea. Its really the lift from VVTL-i that I would of wanted in a 6gc because I love the way a 6gc feels, in comparasion to a 7gc. Doing the research on this site (this topic has come up before), this isn't a possible swap.

Personally I have never driven a 3sgte, though I have been in an MR2 with one, and that thing is quite powerful, but I like the elegance and the amazing power (potential) from the little 1.8 liter. It would also be unique thing to roll up with a 2zz, but like I said, now that I did my research I am saddened to say that this swap is nothing more then a pipe dream (unless of course your brave enough to almost hollow the car out and replace it with Lotus internals).

You can close the topic if you want mod's.

[richee3]

You're a good man for searching and answering your own question.

Personally, I wouldn't want a 2ZZ swapped 6th gen. One of my friends has a GT-S and I just put a CAI in it today. Granted, his is a manual, so I'm not getting the full potential of the 2ZZ, but it just feels so weak. It doesn't have any torque. I know his car is faster than my GT, but my car just feels more powerful.

[Bitter]

very true, no power until over 2000rpm. no off the line torque in stock form or even when NA with tunes and bolt ons. BUT they do really shine with forced fed or if you don't mind not having alot of torque from a standing start, they take to mods very very well, the engine has alot of hidden potential which is still being found.

[HaysoosKreesto]

the 7th gen doesn't have much torque no, but watching a couple video's from Top Gear about the Lotus with a 2zz in it are really quite impressive to me.

You have got to admit though, even though it doesn't have much torque below 2000 rpm's, that lift at 6200 is MIGHTY fun .

richee3, I am not sure what you meant by you don't get full potential from a 2zz as a manual?

[richee3]

I meant that you never get to have any fun with an auto. My friend's GT-S is an auto, and if it had the 6 speed, that car would be a lot more fun.

[Bitter]

thats VERY true, the auto gearing is poorly matched to the engine to keep it in lift between gear changes BUT the auto stands upto more power and lasts longer than the stock 6spd does. also, can't over rev and blow things up with the auto.

the Achilles heal of the 2zz is the sintered steel oil pump, it can shatter if the engine is over revved.

[SwissFerdi]

I meant that you never get to have any fun with an auto.

[HaysoosKreesto]

thats VERY true, the auto gearing is poorly matched to the engine to keep it in lift between gear changes BUT the auto stands upto more power and lasts longer than the stock 6spd does. also, can't over rev and blow things up with the auto.

the Achilles heal of the 2zz is the sintered steel oil pump, it can shatter if the engine is over revved.

very true. Which is sad because in my opinion the 7th gen is almost a great car, stupid little tweaks like this really bog the celica name though.

But in an effort to keep this topic from turning into a 7th gen topic, I would like to say that I would happily still buy a 6gc for the prestige and looks (not to mention the power ) over a 7th gen, as good as the manual version is.

In reality when I do get my 6gc, I am not going to engine swap in fear of losing my 6gc to faulty mechanic work (I don't trust anyone working on my car lol), but I was just curious to see if anyone had heard of a story about some maniac doing a 2zz swap.

[Smaay]

you 2ZZ haters have no freaking clue what you are talking about. the 2ZZ is a fantastic engine and there is no difference in the 2 between the lotus and the GT-S celica. the 2ZZ is so much more capable of power. the head design is the most advanced head in any toyota engine. and yes i know Yamaha designed most of it. sure the 2ZZ lack some low end torque but you also have 8000 PRMs to play with.

the configuration of the 2ZZ pretty much rules it out for a 6gc swap since the exhaust and intake are on the opposite sides.

[Mstoochn]

you 2ZZ haters have no freaking clue what you are talking about. the 2ZZ is a fantastic engine and there is no difference in the 2 between the lotus and the GT-S celica. the 2ZZ is so much more capable of power. the head design is the most advanced head in any toyota engine. and yes i know Yamaha designed most of it. sure the 2ZZ lack some low end torque but you also have 8000 PRMs to play with.

the configuration of the 2ZZ pretty much rules it out for a 6gc swap since the exhaust and intake are on the opposite sides.

exige weight 600 pounds less than the GT-S, its also rear wheel drive with a full lsd rear axle. don't forget they offered a 2zz-gze in the exige which bumps up the torque a hell of alot. you cannot compare a supercar's track design to a road car like the GT-S. the limiter on the Exige is also set alot higher than the celica, as well as a recurved powerband throughout the rpm range.



This post has been edited by Mstoochn: Dec 29, 2009 - 7:29 PM

[HaysoosKreesto]

^ There is some guy on YouTube who was crazy enough to supercharge and Turbo his 2zz Lotus. You are very correct Mstoochn.

And Smaay I know that a 2zz swap is only a pipe dream. I tried to delete this post, but I found out that I couldn't so this topic just became an open forum about the 2zz.

[Mstoochn]

^ There is some guy on YouTube who was crazy enough to supercharge and Turbo his 2zz Lotus. You are very correct Mstoochn.

And Smaay I know that a 2zz swap is only a pipe dream. I tried to delete this post, but I found out that I couldn't so this topic just became an open forum about the 2zz.

Lol@,

twin charging is not uncommon anymore, there is a member on this forum with a twn charged 2zz on a 7th gen GT (his name is..... er?)

a much more appropraite way of making power by any means it a forged boosted engine or wrc 3s swap.
for you emissions whores, keep your N/A and waste as much money on mods as you can so you have the mental mind set your car is a hell of alot quicker. a much more effective way would be to rip out your interior and trunk
end of discussion.

This post has been edited by Mstoochn: Dec 29, 2009 - 7:46 PM

[richee3]

I meant that you never get to have any fun with an auto.

Aww, there there... You get to move back to Europe and buy a real GT4 one of these days! Ferdi 1, Dan 0.

Smaay, I don't think anyone here was putting the 2ZZ down. We just said it doesn't have much torque. I think we're all in agreement that it's still a great motor though.

[HaysoosKreesto]

^ There is some guy on YouTube who was crazy enough to supercharge and Turbo his 2zz Lotus. You are very correct Mstoochn.

And Smaay I know that a 2zz swap is only a pipe dream. I tried to delete this post, but I found out that I couldn't so this topic just became an open forum about the 2zz.

twin charging is not uncommon anymore, there is a member on this forum with a twn charged 2zz on a 7th gen GT (his name is..... er?)

You can't supercharge a 2zz in the GT-S, and I don't see why anyone would spend the money for the swap into a GT.

I think you can super and Turbo a 1zz, but I personally enjoy a Turbo'd 2zz better .

[Mstoochn]

^ There is some guy on YouTube who was crazy enough to supercharge and Turbo his 2zz Lotus. You are very correct Mstoochn.

And Smaay I know that a 2zz swap is only a pipe dream. I tried to delete this post, but I found out that I couldn't so this topic just became an open forum about the 2zz.

twin charging is not uncommon anymore, there is a member on this forum with a twn charged 2zz on a 7th gen GT (his name is..... er?)

You can't supercharge a 2zz in the GT-S, and I don't see why anyone would spend the money for the swap into a GT.

I think you can super and Turbo a 1zz, but I personally enjoy a Turbo'd 2zz better .

u cant supercharge the 2zz? Lol, did u miss my previous post? they put it in the exige, and yes, u can:

[HaysoosKreesto]

^haha, learn something new everyday. I was told by my brother that you couldn't do that. After finishing some quick research, I realise that he is full of ****. I love him, but he is a worse lier then me.

My bad yo .

This post has been edited by HaysoosKreesto: Dec 29, 2009 - 10:03 PM

[Edophus]

a redtop beams is a far better engine than the 2zz, in a car of the same weight the beams will leave the 2zz behind, also an aftermarket ecu will give you 220bhp at the fly from a beams, plus an 8000rpm rev limit, good luck to any 2zz trying to match that without cams etc call me biast but i've owned both, the weight difference isnt a problem either as long as you remember to put the right size tyres on your car.

This post has been edited by Edophus: Jan 2, 2010 - 10:17 AM

[njccmd2002]

yeah but an aftermarket ecu for the beams is pricey, 3000 usd

[Smaay]

^ There is some guy on YouTube who was crazy enough to supercharge and Turbo his 2zz Lotus. You are very correct Mstoochn.

I know, i built part of it. here is a picture of the twin charged 2ZZ in my 7th gen

You can't supercharge a 2zz in the GT-S, and I don't see why anyone would spend the money for the swap into a GT.

I think you can super and Turbo a 1zz, but I personally enjoy a Turbo'd 2zz better .

see above post.

there are 2 retail kits for the 2ZZ in a celica. Blitz and Greddy. and there will soon be a 3rd. see above

[Edophus]

yeah but an aftermarket ecu for the beams is pricey, 3000 usd

theres more options than people think, the cheapest is you can use a 1zz-fe power-fc with some very basic wiring changes.

[BonzaiCelica]

a redtop beams is a far better engine than the 2zz, in a car of the same weight the beams will leave the 2zz behind, also an aftermarket ecu will give you 220bhp at the fly from a beams, plus an 8000rpm rev limit, good luck to any 2zz trying to match that without cams etc call me biast but i've owned both, the weight difference isnt a problem either as long as you remember to put the right size tyres on your car.

haha oh yes! thats right Edophus you tell them. Toyota should of stuck with a 2zz-ge 2.0 ltr. then that would have been an even better engine. They should of forgot about lift (honda engineers have already have that mastered) and made another 200 hp 2.0 ltr engine with the same amount of power as the redtop beams!

[Edophus]

haha oh yes! thats right Edophus you tell them. Toyota should of stuck with a 2zz-ge 2.0 ltr. then that would have been an even better engine. They should of forgot about lift (honda engineers have already have that mastered) and made another 200 hp 2.0 ltr engine with the same amount of power as the redtop beams!

indeed the problem with the 2zz is that is it is based on the 1zz, which in turn is based on the old A series like the 4age, i'm talking in terms of bore spacing etc, thats its limiting factor when it comes to na tuning, the beams will always be able to rev higher with more capacity which more than outweighs its weight disadvantageas it can run lesser duration cams to gain the same peak power, over the same rev range, but the lesser duration cams means it puts out more torque than its extra capacity would suggest. An extra 30-40 ft-lb of torque over the same rev range is why the beams owns the 2zz.