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post Jan 17, 2010 - 8:54 PM
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I ended up decided to go pick up this 2nd gen 3sgte engine and trans this saturday. I'm going to bring my compression tester along and just make sure how that is. I'll be posting pictures up as soon as i get them. I hope all goes well.

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post Jan 17, 2010 - 11:03 PM
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ye it will work, i duno about the condition of the engine though up to you.
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he said he had it in his 5gen last fall, but who knows if thats true. I was just gonna turn the crank over and see if thats all right and maybe give er' a go

I'll post up pictures if i pick it up this weekend. He said he got the wiring converted to his car so i figure i'd still need to get that sent out to get fixed

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Nice! Make sure he gives you the afm, resistor packs, igniter, etc...


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post Jan 21, 2010 - 3:03 PM
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i'm pretty sure he has the afm, not positive. Igniter is pretty much a coil pack? correct?


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I just got it today i'm sooo happy from just looking at it. It has the gt tranny from the 5gen is this gt tranny a e153 correct?

Once i get some more time i'm gonna take a look through it and start making a list of what i need electrical wise.

So i guess this will be part of my build thread.


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post Jan 22, 2010 - 3:29 AM
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5th gen Gt trans is sn S53, which is just horrible in my opinion lol
post Jan 22, 2010 - 9:08 AM
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well now i know. Time to start finding parts


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QUOTE (Mstoochn @ Jan 22, 2010 - 3:29 AM) *
5th gen Gt trans is sn S53, which is just horrible in my opinion lol

Close, the GT trans is a C52, the GT-S trans is an S53. The easiest way to differentiate between the two, think of it this way, C-commuter. S-sport. The C52 has longer gears for better highway MPG. The S53 has tighther clearances inside, and shorter "sportier" gearing. The S53 also takes ATF rather than regular gear oil like the C52.


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I don't want to thread-jack, but this is interesting...so the 6th gen ST has the C52, so that means the GT trans from the 5th gen got carried over to the ST of this gen? And then the GT's S54 trans is an evolution of the GT-S S53...I assume.

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QUOTE (SwissFerdi @ Jan 22, 2010 - 2:36 PM) *
I don't want to thread-jack, but this is interesting...so the 6th gen ST has the C52, so that means the GT trans from the 5th gen got carried over to the ST of this gen? And then the GT's S54 trans is an evolution of the GT-S S53...I assume.


lol, OK, that I'm not sure about. I have a 5th gen that I'm doing a 3s swap on, also going from auto to manual, I only researched the manuals that came in the 5th gens, regardless if they were in any other gens.


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Holly Crap stambo!!! Where did you pick up the motor, etc. If you need help breaking it down or anything just let me know. Im right down the road... excited about this thread....
post Jan 22, 2010 - 8:20 PM
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Cam you think that 5th gen tranny would hold for stock boost for now? If so i was just going to use it till i get all the bugs out with the swap so it runs good before i start thinking about up'in the horse power.

Tomorrow morning i'm going to work to ohm out the sensors that i can to see whats good and bad. I also found a fuel pump relay on ebay i'm keeping my eye on.


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QUOTE (boosted185 @ Jan 22, 2010 - 1:26 PM) *
QUOTE (Mstoochn @ Jan 22, 2010 - 3:29 AM) *
5th gen Gt trans is sn S53, which is just horrible in my opinion lol

Close, the GT trans is a C52, the GT-S trans is an S53. The easiest way to differentiate between the two, think of it this way, C-commuter. S-sport. The C52 has longer gears for better highway MPG. The S53 has tighther clearances inside, and shorter "sportier" gearing. The S53 also takes ATF rather than regular gear oil like the C52.

Dude thats all wrong info you have their...
5th gen GT/GTS=S53 Tranny and they take 75w90 gear oil not ATF
The C52 is the ST tranny.

QUOTE (Stambo @ Jan 22, 2010 - 7:20 PM) *
Cam you think that 5th gen tranny would hold for stock boost for now? If so i was just going to use it till i get all the bugs out with the swap so it runs good before i start thinking about up'in the horse power.

Tomorrow morning i'm going to work to ohm out the sensors that i can to see whats good and bad. I also found a fuel pump relay on ebay i'm keeping my eye on.

I've seen some 5th gen celicas running with a 2nd gen 3s and s53 tranny it'll work but probably won't last long depends on how you drive too.


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post Jan 23, 2010 - 1:07 AM
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Thanks for the info i have access to a lift daily so it wouldn't be a problem if i have to pull the tranny out and replace it


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QUOTE (boosted185 @ Jan 22, 2010 - 2:26 PM) *
QUOTE (Mstoochn @ Jan 22, 2010 - 3:29 AM) *
5th gen Gt trans is sn S53, which is just horrible in my opinion lol

Close, the GT trans is a C52, the GT-S trans is an S53. The easiest way to differentiate between the two, think of it this way, C-commuter. S-sport. The C52 has longer gears for better highway MPG. The S53 has tighther clearances inside, and shorter "sportier" gearing. The S53 also takes ATF rather than regular gear oil like the C52.



Yeah this is not accurate. All 5sfe "gt" 5th gens have an S53.
Assuming its in good shape, it should work just fine. The 5th gen guys have been using them for years in their swaps.


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nice dude...i remember you posting in my thread on how you wanted to swap...your gonna have a blast with it....but it IS a lot of work.

My only advice to ya would be to take your time, dont rush it, and do it right because it will be well worth it. When your drilling the hole through the frame for the pass. side motor mount, i would suggest using thick thread rod, washers, and lock-tight nuts. That seems to be the best way to do it.

I'll be following your thread man, and any questions you have feel free to ask, should be another nice build thread

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post Jan 23, 2010 - 7:38 PM
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I didn't take any pictures today but i took the intake manifold off, valve cover, turbo, manifold and cat off. Part washed the valve cover and intake off good. I'll take some pictures when i get to work monday. I was seeing how the shalf play was, the end play there isn't much what so ever but moving the impeller left to right there is some. I'm gonna bring it to school tuesday and check the play in the shaft to see if its in tolerance.



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QUOTE (Remy @ Jan 22, 2010 - 9:24 PM) *
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QUOTE (Mstoochn @ Jan 22, 2010 - 3:29 AM) *
5th gen Gt trans is sn S53, which is just horrible in my opinion lol

Close, the GT trans is a C52, the GT-S trans is an S53. The easiest way to differentiate between the two, think of it this way, C-commuter. S-sport. The C52 has longer gears for better highway MPG. The S53 has tighther clearances inside, and shorter "sportier" gearing. The S53 also takes ATF rather than regular gear oil like the C52.

Dude thats all wrong info you have their...
5th gen GT/GTS=S53 Tranny and they take 75w90 gear oil not ATF
The C52 is the ST tranny.

QUOTE (Stambo @ Jan 22, 2010 - 7:20 PM) *
Cam you think that 5th gen tranny would hold for stock boost for now? If so i was just going to use it till i get all the bugs out with the swap so it runs good before i start thinking about up'in the horse power.

Tomorrow morning i'm going to work to ohm out the sensors that i can to see whats good and bad. I also found a fuel pump relay on ebay i'm keeping my eye on.

I've seen some 5th gen celicas running with a 2nd gen 3s and s53 tranny it'll work but probably won't last long depends on how you drive too.


Awesome, that comment can be logged under, "don't believe everything you read on the internet" hahaha. My b for misguided info!


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QUOTE (Stambo @ Jan 23, 2010 - 7:38 PM) *
I didn't take any pictures today but i took the intake manifold off, valve cover, turbo, manifold and cat off. Part washed the valve cover and intake off good. I'll take some pictures when i get to work monday. I was seeing how the shalf play was, the end play there isn't much what so ever but moving the impeller left to right there is some. I'm gonna bring it to school tuesday and check the play in the shaft to see if its in tolerance.


a little bit of shaft play is no big deal...you'll be fine...mine had some shaft play as well and it spools up like new...not to worry


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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OEM-Fuel-pu...s#ht_500wt_1182

This fuel pump relay should be good for me correct?

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there is no way a manual tranny uses ATF. thats like 0 WT oil.


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post Jan 29, 2010 - 9:16 PM
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Moar pictures, i don't get much time to work on the engine at work so i did what i can.










I'm gonna touch up the paint on the intake manifold, I'm hoping to clean up the wording so it looks a little better. Next week, got lots to do, timing belt, water pump, tstat, oil pan gasket, valve cover gasket, intake gaskets, and the hose from hell and that one hose from hell thats on earth.


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well i think the ct26 has to much shaft play, i'm gonna take the safe route and try to find a used one in good conditon or get a rebuild. Any ideas anyone?


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I have a CT20b if you should need one smile.gif
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QUOTE (Stambo @ Feb 2, 2010 - 12:32 AM) *
well i think the ct26 has to much shaft play, i'm gonna take the safe route and try to find a used one in good conditon or get a rebuild. Any ideas anyone?



I have one if you need it. It has some shaft play but not as much as others that I have seen, and never gave me any problems.


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thanks, pm sent


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I'm going to pull the 7a out this weekend, so big things are to come.

I'm not to sure on to which throttle cable i need to get ahold of for it to work with the 3s anyone know?
Also i'm looking for gt shifter cables if anyone needs to get rid of them.


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nice job. Looks good

Keep Posting lots pictures!! smile.gif
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QUOTE (Stambo @ Mar 11, 2010 - 11:52 PM) *
I'm going to pull the 7a out this weekend, so big things are to come.

I'm not to sure on to which throttle cable i need to get ahold of for it to work with the 3s anyone know?
Also i'm looking for gt shifter cables if anyone needs to get rid of them.



On a gt, you can use your stock throttle cable, but just make an extension bracket to mount it back a little bit and give the cable the proper tension it needs. You can also use the st185 cable, but its REALLY long, and you might have to creatively move it around so that it doesn't look bad.
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You can't use the ST cable. I had to replace my cable with a GT cable.

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Thanks lagos ill get a hold of one of those soon. Hopefully get pictures up tomorrow of the open engine bay


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Got a lot done today, pulled the old dog of a 7a out. I was surprised on how easy it was compared to other engines. Only a little over 3 hours to pull.

What am i talking for i know you guys don't care you just want pictures so here you go.












see ya later 7a


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god i wish i was you!

thats a nice looking shop your working at too. alot of ppl would kill to do their swaps indoors with great lighting and that much room.
keep up the good work and update soon please biggrin.gif

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i feel spoiled getting to use the lift and what not. Using air tools is a big plus also. I'm hoping to get the 3s in next week saturday.

I hope i have it done by the time the midwest meet is happening, you going ender?


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nice find bro... DAMN that thing needed a cleaning lol
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I need 7a-fe pinouts for a 95 st celica. All data isn't showing me much of that kind of stuff. I got the rest of the diagrams except for the connects that connect to the dash.


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QUOTE (Stambo @ Mar 18, 2010 - 7:26 PM) *
I need 7a-fe pinouts for a 95 st celica. All data isn't showing me much of that kind of stuff. I got the rest of the diagrams except for the connects that connect to the dash.

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thanks batman, exactly what i'm looking for.


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i feel spoiled getting to use the lift and what not. Using air tools is a big plus also. I'm hoping to get the 3s in next week saturday.

I hope i have it done by the time the midwest meet is happening, you going ender?


no go for me. I have classes and midterms to worry about. Plus someone decided to crunch my whole drivers side so I dont want to go to a meet until i get that fixed.

any updates?


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ill let you know after this weekend


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note to anyone who wants to try and use a 5th gen trans, it won't work. It simply wont fit with the engine in the engine bay.


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Got my 97 gt trans, and my stage 2 clutch from tweak. Engine should be in tomorrow! Hopefully if things go well.


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shifter cables are going out this AM, you will have them by wednesday at the latest.
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Pictures speak louder than words!









Finally got er in!


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thanks fate, good luck with your swap too!

Anyone have any opinions on what to do for the lower radiator house set up? I was gonna rig something up but just wasn't sure

Also anyone have any ideas on what i could do for flaring the intercooler piping?

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I like intercoolers


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I am working on the intercooler piping atm, this is the way i'd like to run it. Although i'm not to sure about the charged side of the piping running over the down pipe.





The intercoolers on, can barely even tell its there.


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i would reverse it.
the air going thru the hot side of the piping is just that, hot.
the radient heat from the exhuast manifold isnt really gonna heat it up much more.
the cold pipe on the other hand you want to keep as far from the exhaust/dp as possible to avoid heating the intake charge post intercooler.

smile.gif lookin good man!

edit: if you have an ST radiator, you'll need to rig up a deal for the lower hose. no real way around it. (other than a GT or '4 radiator.)


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looks good, i agree with the above poster, reverse it if you can
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i love the stealth intercooler


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Thanks for the info manny, i'll work on switching that.


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QUOTE (Stambo @ May 13, 2010 - 12:04 AM) *


I like intercoolers

me too biggrin.gif
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Thanks guys, manny i got the intercooler piping rerouted pretty good, i'll get some pictures up when its welded up.

Today i ordered water temp, oil press. and electric boost gauge, and my bov http://www.nipponpower.com/product.phtml?p=1057

I havn't heard anything bad about those bov's and no compressor surge!

Eta is next weekend to get it running, if tweak sends the harness out this weekend.


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I got a snyapse synchonic bov, piston pull-type design. I've heard great things about these



No compressor surge for me!






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dude, this is comming along really nice...congratulations...just keep taking your time and banging away at it...it will get done.

maybe i missed it, but where are you having the wireing harness done? and how did you go about drilling the hole in the frame for the pass. side motor mount? did you use thread rod or some other method?

that intercooler looks sick BTW

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i ended up using about a 6" long bolt with the threads starting at 4.5" to the rest of the length of the bolt.

Tweak is doing the harness, i couldn't figure it out cause the guy who had the engine before me tried to make the engine run on only 2 ecu plugs and had a bunch of stuff cut, and was using speaker wire. The harness should be here within the week.

I ended up getting a New gt radiator from carquest for $90 so i didn't have to end up rigging the lower radiator hose up. All thats left to do is get my bov welded on and get a few pieces of the intercooler piping welded up also.

I'll have pictures of it sometime this week.

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So I decided i needed to flare my intercooler piping so the couplers wouldn't fly off. I Found this idea on a nissian forum somewhere on the web. All i did was weld a 2.5" exhaust clamp on one side of the vise grip, and welded a washer on the other. I grinded the wash down so it was round.







Final product smile.gif

Heres pictures of the intercooler piping and fmic all ready to go!







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Love the flare tool

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wow that flaring tool is awesome. does it take alot of force to actually use it?


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Awesome progress. Good for you Tom. What else is needed to get this bad boy on four wheels and doing madsicktyte drifts?

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doesn't take to much force to actually flare it. It did the job pretty good i must say myself.

A wiring harness which should be soon than it will run.


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Its running! It boosts great and pulls hard. Although it idles a bit rough, and studders when staying steady on the gas. I think its something to do with the bov not sure. The icm might need a cleaning too not sure about that either. Besides those problems it runs great.


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Congrats!

That bov MUST be recirculated as it stays open during idle and cruise situations, bypassing the AFM and causing a lot of issues.
They have an anti stall kit to help with this, but you really should recirculate it for best performance.


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QUOTE (lagos @ Jul 11, 2010 - 2:38 PM) *
Congrats!

That bov MUST be recirculated as it stays open during idle and cruise situations, bypassing the AFM and causing a lot of issues.
They have an anti stall kit to help with this, but you really should recirculate it for best performance.


I dunno if i should recirculate it before or after the afm. I feel stupid for not thinking about that.. kindasad.gif

I suppose i could try to some how route it in with one of the vents that goto the valve cover that goto the intake piping.


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recirculate after the AFM, if you recirculated before, the AFM will be reading the same " air " twice, and thus causing undesire side effects. once the air goes through the AFM once, it's accounted for, so recirculated after and things will be fine, since you are venting it, it's missing that air and thus causing your describved issues.

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after recirculating the the bov past the afm the car runs smooth now. Overall i'm very pleased with only doing the swap for so cheaply.

The car pulls hard even only boosting at 9 psi. I have a small boost leak some where thats why i think it wont get up to 12psi.


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QUOTE (Stambo @ Jul 14, 2010 - 11:12 PM) *
after recirculating the the bov past the afm the car runs smooth now. Overall i'm very pleased with only doing the swap for so cheaply.

The car pulls hard even only boosting at 9 psi. I have a small boost leak some where thats why i think it wont get up to 12psi.


Man, I am glad you got her running... this guy in chicago has a 1mz I can buy for 150 bucks, he just wants it out of his garage. It needed a timing belt replaced and he pulled it and winded up getting another motor for cheap.... What you think?
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I say you go for it man. Also you think you gonna try to make it to the other mini midwest meet saturday?


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I can't wait to see this thing at the meet!


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Not that to many people care, but my car has been running great since day one of the start up. I have had no problems what so ever, except the coolant temp. I have the stock 195 temp stat. in it right now. But the radiator fans are always on now after the swap. Has anyone had any problems with them staying on at all times? Maybe a coolant temp sensor being bad just giving the fans the signal to be on even when the car is first started?



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are you using an ST radiator or GT radiator ?
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I run both of my fans fulltime cause it helps to evacuate heat from the engine bay on my 2nd gen RC [I also have several spare fans in my garage wink.gif ]. But you don't have to. If it's doing it and you can't figure out why - make sure the connection on the A/C line is hooked up - this will cause them to run constant when the key is in if not.
Hope this helps - if you have any other questions hit me up cause I've been all over that part of my swap recently biggrin.gif

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Alright, i'll look up the wiring diagram so i can either put a resister in the a/c plug. Since i don't have a/c in my car. I'm using the gt radiator. The new gt radiator i got seems to be quite thicker than other stock gt radiators i've seen.

Death have you noticed any difference in engine bay/coolant temps when the fans are on full time vs. only at like 215 degrees?


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since you have the GT rad you have the temp sensor plugged in the bottom right ?

and the AC plug/switch I'm talking about is near the firewall, near the wire harness boot, part of the chasis wiring, it doesn't matter if you have AC or not.


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QUOTE (Stambo @ Oct 6, 2010 - 7:35 PM) *
Death have you noticed any difference in engine bay/coolant temps when the fans are on full time vs. only at like 215 degrees?

I haven't taken a thermometer to it or anything but just from knowing my car and it's average temps by feel and also the noticeable difference in heat haze I can see evacuating thru the large vent in my GT4 hood.
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for some reason with the ST's your fans will come on when you turn the key on/off....there is a way around it but it hasnt really bothered me much since the swap. It would be nice if they came on when the engine got to a certain temp. but honestly it helps keep it cool up untill it shuts off.

You can also look into a low temp. thermostat. I have a Gates 160* low temp thermostat that i am running and really like it. Next is a trans and oil cooler set-up.

BTW the swap is comming along great man, any recent pictures of it?

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i actually have no recent pictures of the swap actually done. I should probably get on that before i put it away for the winter.


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So guys i told myself after the swap i wont spend anymore money on my car... That was a joke. I just purchased a m-factory lsd and will be putting it in my trans within the next few weeks. I am also rebuilding the trans too. I will be taking many pictures to show you guys and tell you if its a easy swap in and out of the diff.

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I got a present today...


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NICE! Can't wait to see how much better it feels after you install that.


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nice work! let's see some more recent pics!


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ill take a few pictures once the blizzard is over in wisconsin...


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bad news, the lsd i got is the wrong one. I called the guys at mfactory and they wanted me to measure the ID of the final drive gear and the OD of the diff they sent me. Completely off. He says i have the final drive for a c56 trans which doesn't make sense i have a s54 trans bolted up to my 3s. So i guess i'm SOL on the diff. Even though on the website it clearly states LSD for 3s-ge/5s-fe s-series trans.....

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So guys I have my s54 gt trans torn all apart. Pictures speak louder than words...


All torn apart.




Out put shaft.


Diff


Starting to get a little confusing

Mfactory sent me the wrong diff.

Final drive gear is to big for the LSD. Talked to the company, they said i had a c56 ring gear. Even though i have a s54? I didn't bother to deal with it and just sent the diff back and got my refund.


This is the syncro blocker ring set for 2nd gear. The two brass rings are the syncro blocker rings. That middle piece is a plate for doubling the friction surface area. You could think of this set up as a twin disk clutch set up. When you shift from 1st to 2nd you gotta slow down 2nd gear pretty quick so the syncro hub can mesh into 2nd gear's dog teeth. I ordered parts off a old mr2 topic with part numbers for the s54. Half of them were wrong.


1st gear and syncro blocker ring


output shaft.


3rd gear and syncro blocker ring. It wouldn't be a bad idea for me to replace 3rd gear but toyota said its on national back order. It could take one week or a month....


4th gear n syncro

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Looks new!

Once i am 100% all the parts i have will work i will post all the part numbers up with pictures to match them so if you guys feel like rebuilding yours, you got the right numbers.

It sucks that the LSD won't work but atleast i will have a fresh rebuilt transmission.


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def keepin a close eye on this! very interested in a LSD s54. if it works out of corse.


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when u put it back, post pics, as id like to take apart my beams tranny..


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I plan on it. Cause I have not seen a full step by step assembly with pictures online


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post Feb 13, 2011 - 11:29 AM
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How hard is it to take the tranny apart like that ?? I got a quote from a shop when I wanted to install a lsd in my s54 with the tranny taken off the car already they wanted $800 just to install it without parts with a kaaz lsd it'll almost be $2k, is it really that time consuming and hard to do ??

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post Feb 13, 2011 - 1:26 PM
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i don't think it should cost that much. As long as you go slow and make sure you have everything in order it really isn't that bad.


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post Feb 13, 2011 - 11:15 PM
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Thanks Stambo for making this...a step by step with pics involve and RIGHT part number would be very helpful. i also am planning to rebuild with my swap. ill say it again " THANK YOU..."
post Feb 14, 2011 - 2:29 PM
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I'm going to try and get the diagrams of the input and output shafts disassembled and scan them onto my computer so that can also help you guys out.


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post Feb 20, 2011 - 4:59 PM
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Parts are here!











Tranny case all painted up nice.



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post Feb 20, 2011 - 5:17 PM
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Out put shaft


Needle bearing, put a squirt of oil on all move parts and parts being pressed on. It makes things go a lot smoother.

Needle bearing on the shaft. 1st gear goes ontop of the needle bearing.

1st gear.

Don't loose this little ball bearing! I did and spent 30 minutes crawling on the ground to find it.

No ball bearing in the little hole.

ball in the hole... easy enough.

Unfortunately I was in a hurry and didn't have time to take pictures of me pressing all the gears and bearings on the shafts. Ill print off some diagrams of an exploded view of the input and out put shafts to show how each part goes on.


Put the diff back in the case. I didn't check bearing preload because i didn't replace the diff bearings because they all looked brand new. But remember where to put the shims on either side of the diff when you took it apart.


Input and out put shaft bearings in and the bearing retainers holding them in.


Shift forks. You have to have these connected to the input and output shafts to put everything in the trans correctly.


Like so.


You slide everything into place.


Make sure the shift forks are all lined up and in "neutral"

Lets put the reverse gear in.




Reverse selector.



After i got all this put together i shifted through all the gears and made sure nothing is binding up. If something is you have a problem. Don't just say it'll free up later cause it won't, you'll grenade your trans.

Clean all sealing surfaces and lay a nice 1/8"-1/4" bead of rtv (black silicon) and lower the trans case on. It'll be a tight fit so don't be afraid to use a rubber mallet to tap the case into place.




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post Feb 20, 2011 - 5:37 PM
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nice work tommyboy!!!
should have grabbed a tube of toyota red FIPG from the dealer with all those other parts..its made just for the tranny cases like that and what not.


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post Feb 20, 2011 - 6:49 PM
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nicee job bro

you didnt put the lsd in right? i may have read it wrong, idk.

and how much would a rebuild cost?


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post Feb 20, 2011 - 10:25 PM
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no lsd i sent it back for a refund. I didn't even think toyota had their own brand of rtv. Next time ill get some lol.

Without 3rd gear, Spent around $350 dollars. I would give you guys part numbers but some syncros very from year to year. I noticed a 96 s54 trans does not have the triple syncro set up for 2nd gear like a 97 does.

I have more pictures of putting 5th gear on once i quit being lazy. Anyone have any opinions on what gear lube i should use? I was thinking of that redline shock proof stuff. Havn't heard anything bad about it.


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post Feb 20, 2011 - 11:13 PM
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good job.

now you really need to take me for a spin in that car haha


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