Best Coilovers for touge? Options

[sunwukongg]

I want to get into the whole touge scene and was wondering what coilovers/suspension set up would be best for my 5sfe on the touge?

[playr158]

BC coilovers / TEIN SS coilover are both really good out of the box units

[Penkka]

I want to get into the whole touge scene and was wondering what coilovers/suspension set up would be best for my 5sfe on the touge?

cmon man, thats just wrong. You dont call your cars spaceships, dont call your local twisty road a touge.

[sunwukongg]

I want to get into the whole touge scene and was wondering what coilovers/suspension set up would be best for my 5sfe on the touge?

cmon man, thats just wrong. You dont call your cars spaceships, dont call your local twisty road a touge.

theirs mountain passes around here.

Touge: Tōuge|峠 is a Japanese word literally meaning "pass." It refers to a mountain pass or any narrow, winding roads

Spaceship: Another name for a spacecraft used for human spaceflight

Car: An automobile, motor car or car is a wheeled motor vehicle used for transporting passengers, which also carries its own engine or motor

a touge IS a mountain pass. a car is NOT a spaceship. i'll call it whatever i want.

This post has been edited by sunwukongg: Jun 10, 2010 - 7:57 PM

[nics]

I want to get into the whole touge scene and was wondering what coilovers/suspension set up would be best for my 5sfe on the touge?

cmon man, thats just wrong. You dont call your cars spaceships, dont call your local twisty road a touge.

theirs mountain passes around here.

Touge: Tōuge|峠 is a Japanese word literally meaning "pass." It refers to a mountain pass or any narrow, winding roads

how many miles is your touge? one way

im going for megans.

This post has been edited by nics: Jun 10, 2010 - 7:44 PM

[sunwukongg]

BC coilovers / TEIN SS coilover are both really good out of the box units

which one would you recommend for the mountain passes?

&NICS, You've been there for the celica meet sometime last year. It's the one that connects azusa, baldy, and GMR. the side i usually go on is GMR.

This post has been edited by sunwukongg: Jun 10, 2010 - 8:03 PM

[nics]

oh there. i dont remember how long was it.

people say you wont go wrong for megans. $850 in the BS forum.

[sunwukongg]

oh there. i dont remember how long was it.

people say you wont go wrong for megans. $850 in the BS forum.

hmm ill look more into it. thanks man.

[Penkka]

hate to break it but..

Go ricer go! =D

[Tom_SS2]

hate to break it but..

Go ricer go! =D

do not get, are you calling coilovers ricer or driving fast in the twisties ricer?

if you are calling Touge was a word ricer it might be better rethinking that comment as on a JDM car website many Japanesims get used, Kouki is one example

[Euphoria]

It depends on the road, if its a rough road then coilovers aren't always better but if its nice and smooth you can't really go wrong.

[playr158]

BC coilovers / TEIN SS coilover are both really good out of the box units

which one would you recommend for the mountain passes?

&NICS, You've been there for the celica meet sometime last year. It's the one that connects azusa, baldy, and GMR. the side i usually go on is GMR.

*I have no personal experience with this system* BUT from the reviews I have read and what i've seen around. I would recommend the BC coilover as it comes as a full setup with camber plates and quality build. TEIN SS is great but lacks the camber plates.

[Penkka]

hate to break it but..

Go ricer go! =D

do not get, are you calling coilovers ricer or driving fast in the twisties ricer?

if you are calling Touge was a word ricer it might be better rethinking that comment as on a JDM car website many Japanesims get used, Kouki is one example

just the touge part, it just goes way over the top. My car has four wheels like a lambo, but I dont call it Lambo.

touge is touge [toe-gay] and the road close to your house even if it has some twists and turns isnt one.

[sunwukongg]

hate to break it but..

Go ricer go! =D

do not get, are you calling coilovers ricer or driving fast in the twisties ricer?

if you are calling Touge was a word ricer it might be better rethinking that comment as on a JDM car website many Japanesims get used, Kouki is one example

just the touge part, it just goes way over the top. My car has four wheels like a lambo, but I dont call it Lambo.

touge is touge [toe-gay] and the road close to your house even if it has some twists and turns isnt one.

lol do you not get it? touge is a mountain pass. it's just a different word for it. I wouldn't say it's close to my house since it's an hour away..

and a gt4 celica is NOT a lambo. but a touge IS a mountain pass. ill call it whatever i want.

and instead of being completely useless in helping me in this thread and not having anything good to say, id appreciate it if you just stay out.

This post has been edited by sunwukongg: Jun 11, 2010 - 10:49 AM

[Penkka]

BC´s are sweet, theyre at their best when I hit the touge to work and the touge to grocery store.

This post has been edited by Penkka: Jun 11, 2010 - 10:39 AM

[sunwukongg]

Penkka, I only go on mountain runs for driving pleasures. I just wanted to know what suspension set up would benefit me for a better road feel and better handling and cornering.

This post has been edited by sunwukongg: Jun 11, 2010 - 10:56 AM

[sunwukongg]

BC coilovers / TEIN SS coilover are both really good out of the box units

which one would you recommend for the mountain passes?

&NICS, You've been there for the celica meet sometime last year. It's the one that connects azusa, baldy, and GMR. the side i usually go on is GMR.

*I have no personal experience with this system* BUT from the reviews I have read and what i've seen around. I would recommend the BC coilover as it comes as a full setup with camber plates and quality build. TEIN SS is great but lacks the camber plates.

the BC's look good. I think ill be heading towards this until i can find more about the megans. thanks man.

[nics]

It depends on the road, if its a rough road then coilovers aren't always better but if its nice and smooth you can't really go wrong.

i have been there where he goes. its pretty smooth.

BC coilovers / TEIN SS coilover are both really good out of the box units

which one would you recommend for the mountain passes?

&NICS, You've been there for the celica meet sometime last year. It's the one that connects azusa, baldy, and GMR. the side i usually go on is GMR.

*I have no personal experience with this system* BUT from the reviews I have read and what i've seen around. I would recommend the BC coilover as it comes as a full setup with camber plates and quality build. TEIN SS is great but lacks the camber plates.

BC coilovers are good too. i have read an article im not sure if its true but megans are actually rebranded bc coilovers.

http://www.bcec.com.tw/profile/profile.html

[Penkka]

BC actually has made coilovers for many brands before, but now they´ve started to make their own, and I can tell you theyre good..

[sunwukongg]

BC actually has made coilovers for many brands before, but now they´ve started to make their own, and I can tell you theyre good..

so would you prefer them over the megans?

[terbear4god4life]

BC actually has made coilovers for many brands before, but now they´ve started to make their own, and I can tell you theyre good..

so would you prefer them over the megans?

id say if you have the cash yes.



or if your cheap you can ride ground controls

This post has been edited by terbear4god4life: Jun 12, 2010 - 1:02 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

are the camper plates lets say for example that you buys c-one camber plates for the front, are those the same for both macpherson and superstrut suspension?

why dont the rear suspesion have cambert plates???

what touge videos have you been watching???

[Harold_Fastwaker]

I don't think you will get a proper answer about suspension and actually racing a car on here. I can only think of 2 people on this forum who actually track their car and no I am not including autocross.

Stay away from Megan/D2/K-Sport if you plan to actually track the car properly. They fail under track conditions, I have seen it occur. Tein will be your cheapest option and price point.

[Penkka]

pnly couple who track their cars? Time Attack, right here!

And sunwukonqq, I cant tell as I have actually even seen megan set on my own eyes.. But I like them!
Actually now I´d need stiffer anti-rollbars in order to make the coilovers softer..

[nics]

pnly couple who track their cars? Time Attack, right here!

And sunwukonqq, I cant tell as I have actually even seen megan set on my own eyes.. But I like them!
Actually now I´d need stiffer anti-rollbars in order to make the coilovers softer..

get ST anti swaybars.


sunwukongg, trdproven has em for over a year now. you can go ask him his personal input. ask the people that bought in the BS forum who bought megans.

[Penkka]

st anti swaybars?

[Culpable04]

he means Suspension techniques sway bars, but I don't think they make any for the GT4, only FWD celicas.

[Johnnyny]

st anti swaybars?

oh snap culp u fast lol
suspension technique sway bars is wat he means i think

This post has been edited by Johnnyny: Jun 12, 2010 - 9:51 PM

[nics]

yep too lazy to type the whole thing. yeah im not sure too if they make it for gt-4

[Penkka]

im thinking about custom made pieces, in order to get them really stiff..

[Tom_SS2]

you don't want your set up too hard as most roads are sheite so will bounce all over

This post has been edited by Tom_SS2: Jun 13, 2010 - 8:50 AM

[whatthe]

Actually now I´d need stiffer anti-rollbars in order to make the coilovers softer..

You dont mean stiffer, you mean thicker. And the difference if its hollow or solid diameter bars.
Go for something along the lines of a whiteline 22mm hollow rear adjustable swaybar.

im thinking about custom made pieces, in order to get them really stiff..

Having a crazy stiff car doesnt mean awesome handling. If you want play with bumpyness and ride comfort that from the shocks and springs. But swaybars will make your suspension and tyres perform better, making the car more responsive while delivering more grip. And reducing body roll, by increases the amount of force required to make the body roll.

This post has been edited by whatthe: Jun 13, 2010 - 9:41 AM

[Penkka]

yeah, I know!

but getting thicker bars means I can use softer suspension on the races, which is more the way I like..

[Tigawoods]

ksports would be rough for backroad racing. but i am assuming the roads by you would be fairly nice so they could be an option.
go with a softer option i guess. i like stiff coils and my ksports have held up wonderfully

ksports would be rough for backroad racing. but i am assuming the roads by you would be fairly nice so they could be an option.
go with a softer option i guess. i like stiff coils and my ksports have held up wonderfully

[sunwukongg]

downhill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RFvYSTJHiw

uphill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu5iPvBOwmk

thats the road im talking about

This post has been edited by sunwukongg: Jun 14, 2010 - 10:21 AM

[terbear4god4life]

downhill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RFvYSTJHiw

uphill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu5iPvBOwmk

thats the road im talking about

omg we have a road just like that were i live..awesome.



lol im not even gonna start thinking about if you come around one of those corners and someone else is actually driving on the road lol


my ground controls do fine as long as theirs no pot holes or other sh*t on a smooth road their amazing

and even tho a couple people on here track others still put just about the same stress driving on some roads..so you cant really rule that out

This post has been edited by terbear4god4life: Jun 17, 2010 - 12:37 AM

[Tom_SS2]

downhill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RFvYSTJHiw

uphill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu5iPvBOwmk

thats the road im talking about

that road looks nice but isn't a smooth surface so ideally track coilies may be too hard as you could find your self skipping off the roads, maybe some thing a little more forgiving like some street coilies, poly bushes and some bigger ARBs would be better suited. as for the best street coilies things that have already been suggested like BC's, Teins or Megans read some reviews on them and decide which will be best suited for your needs

[sunwukongg]

thanks for the help guys! i decided to set up my car this way

-trd 3pt strut
-gt4 rear strut
-vincentdoggys trunk brace
-BC coilovers

just simple and fun for the canyon runs

[Johnnyny]

thanks for the help guys! i decided to set up my car this way

-trd 3pt strut
-gt4 rear strut
-vincentdoggys trunk brace
-BC coilovers

just simple and fun for the canyon runs

im sure sway bars / sway end links, and poly bushings will be a good upgrade

[nics]

thanks for the help guys! i decided to set up my car this way

-trd 3pt strut
-gt4 rear strut
-vincentdoggys trunk brace
-BC coilovers

just simple and fun for the canyon runs

where are you getting your BC coils?

[Tigawoods]

poly urethane motormounts and sways
NOW!

[sunwukongg]

thanks for the help guys! i decided to set up my car this way

-trd 3pt strut
-gt4 rear strut
-vincentdoggys trunk brace
-BC coilovers

just simple and fun for the canyon runs

where are you getting your BC coils?

dunno yet. these are just future plans. i need money first. haha

[Jamchell]

downhill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RFvYSTJHiw

uphill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu5iPvBOwmk

thats the road im talking about

I grew up driving on a road just like this one, had about 5 different cars before I moved away. 1979 subaru station wagon(pretty terrible) 1973 ford maverick 302v8(fast enough on the straight parts) 1976 Celica gt (good fun to toss around) 1988 VW Sirocco on coilovers(car handled like a roller coaster) 1984 Celica Supra(won every time with that car)... ah the good old days they were a blast =)

[nics]

downhill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RFvYSTJHiw

uphill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu5iPvBOwmk

thats the road im talking about

I grew up driving on a road just like this one, had about 5 different cars before I moved away. 1979 subaru station wagon(pretty terrible) 1973 ford maverick 302v8(fast enough on the straight parts) 1976 Celica gt (good fun to toss around) 1988 VW Sirocco on coilovers(car handled like a roller coaster) 1984 Celica Supra(won every time with that car)... ah the good old days they were a blast =)

which rd in SD county?

[Jamchell]

It was in Riverside county, highway 74 it's about 55 miles from Hemet to Palm Springs, fun road as it's pretty smooth and the corners have deep banks. I lived in Idyllwild which was up in the mountains between the two.

[Harold_Fastwaker]

thanks for the help guys! i decided to set up my car this way

-trd 3pt strut
-gt4 rear strut
-vincentdoggys trunk brace
-BC coilovers

just simple and fun for the canyon runs

Here is even better advice.


Install, 1 part at a time and go make a few runs. See how you like it, then install the next part. Do a few runs, see if it made it better or worse.

If you slap all that **** on a one time you have failed.

[sunwukongg]

thanks for the help guys! i decided to set up my car this way

-trd 3pt strut
-gt4 rear strut
-vincentdoggys trunk brace
-BC coilovers

just simple and fun for the canyon runs

Here is even better advice.


Install, 1 part at a time and go make a few runs. See how you like it, then install the next part. Do a few runs, see if it made it better or worse.

If you slap all that **** on a one time you have failed.

haha that's exactly what my buddy told me. thanks for the advice to harold.

[nics]

i agree. its best to compare the difference in handling of stock suspension vs the mods you're gonna put in.

[RvA944]

Where does one get the BC coilovers?????

[Capone]

http://bcracingsuperstore.com/product/toyo...9-toyota-celica

$999.00 and I think they come with free shipping...

[whatthe]

thanks for the help guys! i decided to set up my car this way

-trd 3pt strut
-gt4 rear strut
-vincentdoggys trunk brace
-BC coilovers

just simple and fun for the canyon runs

Wait you live in orange county, like the OC? Where everyones filthy rich and loaded by their parents with supercars or hummers? Why do you have a celica then?

I have a similar setup

C-One 3pt strut
Cusco rear strut
Cusco 4pt lower arm brace
vincentdoggys trunk brace
BC coilovers
225/45/17 KU31's

Running 25/32 clicks front and 27/32 clicks rear. Not sure how low but yeh pretty fun atm. Just getting understeer maybe invest in a whiteline rear swaybar later.

[sunwukongg]

yea i live in the OC haha. i dont see hummers around often. but i do see a lot of cars in the jdm import and hella flush scene on the daily. the most common cars youll see around are EGs, EKs, integras, RSXs, STIs, s2k and evos. theres a house in my neighborhood that actually has a rhd EJ, rsx, integra, and eg. i refer to it as the honda house. haha. i have a celica because my parents randomly picked it out for me and bought the car without me knowing. they just found it on autotrader. to be honest i actually wanted an EG or EK at first. i didnt like the 4 bug eyes on the celica at first. but the car grew on me and now i love it. LOL but im glad i got the celica.

This post has been edited by sunwukongg: Jun 23, 2010 - 11:09 AM

[nics]

your parents kept you on the right track

[RvA944]

http://bcracingsuperstore.com/product/toyo...9-toyota-celica

$999.00 and I think they come with free shipping...

Thanks Capone, now i just have to deside which ones to get......... price is with in a hundred right now.

Best,

Roger

This post has been edited by RvA944: Jun 23, 2010 - 1:06 PM

[96stgreendemon]

inatstead of spending all that money on the bc coilovers go with the megans, bc manufactures megan also so they are rebranded bc coilovers, its like the cheap food at the store, different bag label and name but its still the sama stuff on the inside. just my .02

[whatthe]

inatstead of spending all that money on the bc coilovers go with the megans, bc manufactures megan also so they are rebranded bc coilovers, its like the cheap food at the store, different bag label and name but its still the sama stuff on the inside. just my .02

Thats not true. Megan have different spring rates compared to Bc's.

[nics]

inatstead of spending all that money on the bc coilovers go with the megans, bc manufactures megan also so they are rebranded bc coilovers, its like the cheap food at the store, different bag label and name but its still the sama stuff on the inside. just my .02

Thats not true. Megan have different spring rates compared to Bc's.

Yes, but not all BC racing coils have 6/4 kg/mm sping rate. Other BC coilover applications have 8/6 kg/mm spring rate. Same as the MR spring rate which is 8/6 kg/mm.

[Tom_SS2]

you can choose your own spring rates for BC's within reason

[BonzaiCelica]

i've seen a set of jic magic coilovers for the macphearson strut suspension up on nengun yahoo auctions for about $1000 about 6 months ago, used of course but those would be ideal. keep an eye on nengun auctions they have some rare stuff used for real cheap sometimes

[sunwukongg]

think im gonna take a different route..starting to wanna just get my car low and looking like this(st-205's car)




This post has been edited by sunwukongg: Sep 20, 2010 - 11:51 PM

[whatthe]

Track spec > slammed to the ground silly spec

[sunwukongg]

Track spec > slammed to the ground silly spec

performance wise, definitely, but the slammed look is tasteful IMO. haha. btw, i love your celica man.

[BonzaiCelica]

mmmhahaha touge!!! ooo I cant wait to till my touge setup is complete muhaha

[BonzaiCelica]

found a set of these Blitz Coilovers what the hell do these go on, the McPherson or Superstrut ST202 I call BS!!
http://www.nengun.com/auction/item/r67919333

And then I found these Tein Mcpherson Coilovers for $810 plus another $300 for shipping to California, pretty cheap huh.
http://www.nengun.com/auction/item/h145304171



They are not even on this list :

Here are some of your options for aftermarket Superstrut suspension:

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Sep 22, 2010 - 8:57 PM

[3WayStunna]

Hmm, i wouldnt worry about them being on that list BonzaiCelica. That thing is kinda old, and half of those products are discontinued while other "new" products have been springing up lately.

Anwyho, OP how is yoru setup holding up. Its been a few months since you first posted this thread, and im wondering if you have made any progress with your suspension.

This post has been edited by 3WayStunna: Sep 23, 2010 - 12:31 AM

[sunwukongg]

not yet, i havent had money. but i actually just got a good job JUST last week at a place called Bagel Me, First Class Pizza, Sugar Bakery in the city of Orange, CA. im a delivery person. they have me driving the company car so i save miles and gas. the car im driving to deliver with is a yaris. haha. and the thing about my job, im driving through the canyons to deliver all the time. i thought that was pretty cool and funny. im still not used to the city though, i got lost for the first time yesterday on the job(i didnt get lost the other 4 days last week that i was working)..but i found my way around..haha. right now im actually saving up for an auto to manual swap, and still debating on my suspension set up. also getting a good deal on gts rims that im gonna buy from my friend sometime this or next week.

i have a lot planned ahead. but i just gotta save up to make it happen..

This post has been edited by sunwukongg: Sep 22, 2010 - 11:45 PM

[808celica]

if you can somehow fit the Tein EDFC controller on the Tein coils then that would be the best

[SwissFerdi]

Y'know, it really is a shame that the Celica doesn't have much aftermarket support. I really hadn't noticed before I started researching for a Miata, and it has so much more product support it's not even funny. Raceland coilovers, which are pretty decent, for $300. Nothing like that for the Celica.

[sunwukongg]

Y'know, it really is a shame that the Celica doesn't have much aftermarket support. I really hadn't noticed before I started researching for a Miata, and it has so much more product support it's not even funny. Raceland coilovers, which are pretty decent, for $300. Nothing like that for the Celica.

yea? you should check out the after market parts for civics(eg,ej,em,ek,etc) now THATS a lot. and very inexpensive too..

[whatthe]

Thats true that hondas have alots of aftermarket support. But does that mean the aftermarket parts actually help improve what it wants to achieve and by how much?. Sure they have a million different brands that make carbon fibre cai intakes and front lips, and c piller bars right down the full off the shelf exhausts and manifolds. And all this aftermarket sparkplug wires and breaks bar.

And sure you will have a long mod list, but how much of that actually improve the car and by how much. Im quite thankful we dont have that much aftermarket support, cmon guys we would be bloody broke and wont be able to save up for the 3sgte. And thats one thing honda doesnt have a stock turbo engine that they can drop right in. And the 3sgte has plenty of aftermarket support just that its not cheap.

[BonzaiCelica]

Celica = Rare!!

Honda = Commonly seen every 30 sec on the streets

If toyota would of brought the 3S-GE engines to the U.S. our aftermarket support would be close to that of Honda's

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Sep 23, 2010 - 1:04 PM

[SwissFerdi]

That's why I didn't mention Honda, I couldn't care less about that brand.

[BonzaiCelica]

yes People the Blitz company has made Coilovers for the ST204/AT200 and ST202 with McPherson Suspension.

http://www.nengun.com/blitz/damper-zz-r

probably to compete with tein!!

THey come with upper Billow ball mounts and are priced between the megans and teins. Shipping to the USA is $1450.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Sep 25, 2010 - 1:53 AM

[Tom_SS2]

yes People the Blitz company has made Coilovers for the ST204/AT200 and ST202 with McPherson Suspension.

http://www.nengun.com/blitz/damper-zz-r

probably to compete with tein!!

THey come with upper Billow ball mounts and are priced between the megans and teins. Shipping to the USA is $1450.

they look (except swap red with gold) and their specs read almost the same as BC racing coilovers, even the knob on top for the damper level and the camber adjustable front top mounts, wonder if this is the company that BC racing build parts for?

[whatthe]

^ your absolutely right! Right down the the adjustment height locks and also the plastic shock covers it has one. Im quite curious now

[Tigawoods]

you still havent gotten anything yet!?!?
its just occasional touge racing right? just get something already and start driving!!! haha

[playr158]

Y'know, it really is a shame that the Celica doesn't have much aftermarket support. I really hadn't noticed before I started researching for a Miata, and it has so much more product support it's not even funny. Raceland coilovers, which are pretty decent, for $300. Nothing like that for the Celica.

I has the RACELANDs on my VW. its really not the best, softer than I'd like and a bit bumpy but for $360 I couldn't argue... plus its a beater car

[sunwukongg]

I need help. Can anyone tell me where i can find a reliable source on purchasing MEGAN coilovers? I've decided to go for those. But I want to find a site that will guarantee to have it in stock and deliver. I hate ordering from sites where after you pay they end up telling you that they dont have it in stock and they have to order it and then you end up waiting 7-8 weeks to get it.. right now im having my eyes set on this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Megan-Racin...#ht_2287wt_1165

[mak5603]

Pretty sure upscale auto said they got some more in stock.

[sunwukongg]

Pretty sure upscale auto said they got some more in stock.

thanks, ill check it out. i thought they were lagging in delivery when i last checked though. ill look into it and see who bought their megans from upscale



This post has been edited by sunwukongg: Sep 26, 2010 - 10:17 PM

[whatthe]

Dude get the blitz!

[sunwukongg]

Dude get the blitz!

lol the BC? i still dont know how its stats are compared to the megans. im just going for the megans because i noticed they give a nice drop, ive gotten much more detailed descriptions over it, and their easier to afford. i havent heard anything bad about em either. haha. i was also considering koni yellows with ground controls, but megan was still the most affordable for me..btw whatthe do you have a camber kit or camber bolts on your setup? is it absolutely necessary to have it when you lower your car?

This post has been edited by sunwukongg: Sep 26, 2010 - 10:23 PM

[whatthe]

Not really, its not the best for your tyres or unless your a track freak and want "X" degree camber front and rear. I dont have it and running something like -3 at rear and -1.3 at front. Fronts are adjustable to some extent.

[Tom_SS2]

i'm using BC's, i fitted rear camber adjuster bolts as it was -3 camber at the rear meant it was really twitchy at high speed especially on uneven road so now running -1.5, also running -0.5 at the front on the adjustable top mounts, you do get a bit of adjustment at the hubs as well due to the oversize holes