3rd Gen 3sgte w/ E153 Swap Thread, Clutch and flywheel are here. Options

[mak5603]

I received my motor a little while ago and since have been sourcing parts and getting it ready to go. Few details on the setup, it is a 3rd gen 3sgte motor set that I got thru Jim, it was the motor from his 19k mile clip. My wiring harness was extended my Phoenix Tuning. I also got a Gen 3 E153 transmission w/ LSD and necessary axles, brackets, mounts, and shift linkage for that from Jim as well. Currently much of the motor is taken apart and being cleaned up, some of it painted. I have also been buying parts like crazy for it over the past half year or so, here is what I have so far.







The E153.



Plugs, wires, cap, rotor.



Clutch Masters FX300 (Stage 3) clutch and Competition Clutch 12 lbs. light weight steel flywheel.



Valve cover gasket kit, PCV valve, Thermostat



Berk 3" Down pipe, fully loaded



Denso O2 sensor



Berk Technology Gen 3 vacuum line kit



Walbro 255



HKS SSQV 3



AEM oil pressure, UEGO wideband, and boost gauges and sandwich plate.



HKS Turbo Timer



HKS Carbon TI, plan is to have a straight pipe from my downpipe to this.



My intercooler had no cap, so I'm just going to put my stock one on the IC and throw this on the radiator.



Will put these in when I get cams, got them for a ridiculous deal. Like 100 shipped for both brand new...

Will get some pics of the painted parts when they are done drying. I peeled the "Toyota 2000 Twin Entry Turbo" Sticker off the IC and sanded it down and sprayed it with some high temp paint. I also put some of that heat shield tape under it, so hopefully it will stay cool because my Girlfriend's mom's boyfriend is airbrushing some stuff on it. So hopefully it turns out good and doesn't melt, haha.

I'll try and keep you guys updated.

This post has been edited by mak5603: Apr 21, 2011 - 11:44 PM

[str8thugginit4ya]

Wicked bro! I see some REALLY tasteful upgrades, can't wait to see all of it put together. Just remember, be patient and no shortcuts! Good luck bro!



-Ryan

[D-Man]

Can't wait to see moar!

[presure2]

looks like a good start man!
i perfer cam gears with more than 3 bolt down spots, but as long as you loctite them, you should be fine, guys have been using that style for years.
looking forward to progress pics.

[Ted95]

looks good man! i just did the samething trackin down parts and upgrades for almost the past year as well gettin ready to do my swap, its really exciting gettin it all together, good job so far, keep it up!

[mak5603]

Thanks for the support guys! I cannot wait to start making some more progress on this! Definitely not in any hurry or taking shortcuts. Making sure I do everything right and don't forget to do anything that I'm going to kick myself in the butt for later for not doing.

i perfer cam gears with more than 3 bolt down spots, but as long as you loctite them, you should be fine, guys have been using that style for years.

Yeah, I honestly don't know much about cam gears. I've read some places, people install them without cams? Which seems pointless to me? I don't even know.. I plan on waiting until I get cams though. Only reason I went with these ones like I said, was I bought them from a store that was shutting down and they were trying to get rid of them for like 90 + shipping, so I figured I'd hop on em.

This post has been edited by mak5603: Mar 24, 2011 - 1:23 PM

[Sunny]

Hi,

i'am sorry if it is off topic but, could you have a look for me to the P/S belt what size it is?

greetz

[mak5603]

Hi,

i'am sorry if it is off topic but, could you have a look for me to the P/S belt what size it is?

greetz

Like, width or length?

I'll check it ASAP but I might not see my motor for a few days.

[presure2]

Yup, people (including myself) have installed cam gears without instaling aftermarket cams.
You can tailor the powerband with them, guys have picked up 15whp tuning in just the exhaust cam in a genII

[mak5603]

I thought I read that somewhere. Hmm, maybe I will put them on sooner than I thought.

[Sunny]

Hi,

there should be a number on the belt, you can also upload a picture if you want
i see the number on the picture but can't can read it

there is no need to hurry

greetz

[Cuts_the_Pilot]

dont worry about cam gears having only 3 bolts.
If people like HKS, Gates, AEM etc only use 3, and these are the highest of reputable brands with engines making many many hundreds of kw i think they will be fine for joe average.

Must be a late model engine (being that low miles i guess so) The timing cover is different to what mine was (much neater), (not that it matters because i dont use the top one).


Some good little mods your starting off with there, Good work on the lsd box.

Gen3 have slightly better cams then gen2 so you might not get the same gain, but retarding the exhaust 3-4 deg or so should net some benifits.

[Sunny]

Hi,

i bought my cam gear from catcams, they use 5bolts

here you can find a picture

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=76775&st=0

greetz

[mak5603]

Here's my valve cover, t stat housing, heat shield, and w2a intercooler. Intercooler is sprayed with High temp paint, and going to be airbrushed on.





This post has been edited by mak5603: Apr 21, 2011 - 11:35 PM

[Ted95]

looks good bro! keep it up

[mak5603]

Just working on ordering the remaining stuff I need. I'm buying an Exedy stage 2 clutch and possibly a flywheel. I have a question for some of you, and I know this is kind of vague..but do you think daily driving is still going to be manageable with a Fidanza flywheel or should I probably just resurface my stock flywheel? I've driven light flywheels, but never on a FWD car or car with this much power, so I am kind of stuck and don't know what to do.

Another question, where are you swappers getting your hoses? Anywhere in particular? Something I gotta start keeping an eye out for.

Thanks in advanced guys!

[Ted95]

Just working on ordering the remaining stuff I need. I'm buying an Exedy stage 2 clutch and possibly a flywheel. I have a question for some of you, and I know this is kind of vague..but do you think daily driving is still going to be manageable with a Fidanza flywheel or should I probably just resurface my stock flywheel? I've driven light flywheels, but never on a FWD car or car with this much power, so I am kind of stuck and don't know what to do.

Another question, where are you swappers getting your hoses? Anywhere in particular? Something I gotta start keeping an eye out for.

Thanks in advanced guys!

for my swap, im just reusing the stock 3sgte flywheel and resurfacing it. i was going to get a ultra light weight flywheel but i was told by some of the motor heads its really not worth it for the money, unless your going to go big downt he road i guess. so im using the stock flywheel, thats just me.

and im reusing the 5sfe hoses as long as they are good, most of them will be reuseable, some you just have to buy some hose and make it work lol.

[96stgreendemon]

Curious as to how the a/c and heater core will hook up?

[presure2]

Curious as to how the a/c and heater core will hook up?

what exactly do you mean?
the heater core hoses are in the same spot st/gt/gt-4
the main AC lines in the bay are the same gt/st, just the 2 front sections are diffrent, but you can just bend the ac lines to fit.

as for the LW flywheel, to me it depends on your clutch, more than the flywheel.

if you have a heavy PP with a disk that dont like to be slipped, a LW flywheel will just exasperate that.
its manageable (i have a stage 4 comp clutch thats pretty heavy, with a fidanza), but definetly is not as easy to manage as stock.
dustin and steff have a LW flywheel, with a stock clutch, and its just great.
incredibly light pedal feel, super smooth engagement, and the quicker revs of the lw flywheel.

[mak5603]

Just working on ordering the remaining stuff I need. I'm buying an Exedy stage 2 clutch and possibly a flywheel. I have a question for some of you, and I know this is kind of vague..but do you think daily driving is still going to be manageable with a Fidanza flywheel or should I probably just resurface my stock flywheel? I've driven light flywheels, but never on a FWD car or car with this much power, so I am kind of stuck and don't know what to do.

Another question, where are you swappers getting your hoses? Anywhere in particular? Something I gotta start keeping an eye out for.

Thanks in advanced guys!

for my swap, im just reusing the stock 3sgte flywheel and resurfacing it. i was going to get a ultra light weight flywheel but i was told by some of the motor heads its really not worth it for the money, unless your going to go big downt he road i guess. so im using the stock flywheel, thats just me.

and im reusing the 5sfe hoses as long as they are good, most of them will be reuseable, some you just have to buy some hose and make it work lol.

Yeah, I should have specified. I was more talking Samco or other silicon hoses, there are a couple that I need. I can reuse a few. I changed my clutch decision, so that may change my ultimate flywheel decision as well. We'll see by the end of the day, haha.

[Ted95]

Just working on ordering the remaining stuff I need. I'm buying an Exedy stage 2 clutch and possibly a flywheel. I have a question for some of you, and I know this is kind of vague..but do you think daily driving is still going to be manageable with a Fidanza flywheel or should I probably just resurface my stock flywheel? I've driven light flywheels, but never on a FWD car or car with this much power, so I am kind of stuck and don't know what to do.

Another question, where are you swappers getting your hoses? Anywhere in particular? Something I gotta start keeping an eye out for.

Thanks in advanced guys!

for my swap, im just reusing the stock 3sgte flywheel and resurfacing it. i was going to get a ultra light weight flywheel but i was told by some of the motor heads its really not worth it for the money, unless your going to go big downt he road i guess. so im using the stock flywheel, thats just me.

and im reusing the 5sfe hoses as long as they are good, most of them will be reuseable, some you just have to buy some hose and make it work lol.

Yeah, I should have specified. I was more talking Samco or other silicon hoses, there are a couple that I need. I can reuse a few. I changed my clutch decision, so that may change my ultimate flywheel decision as well. We'll see by the end of the day, haha.

ya i tried looking up a new 3sgte hose kit, like brand new factory hoses but i couldnt find them.. unless someone else knows where i can get them?

[presure2]

You can get the rad hoses off eBay.
Berk technology sells a high quality silicone hose kit for the mr2 that uses the same size hoses (umm yes....because it's the same engine) for all of the smaller ones.

[mak5603]

You can get the rad hoses off eBay.
Berk technology sells a high quality silicone hose kit for the mr2 that uses the same size hoses (umm yes....because it's the same engine) for all of the smaller ones.

Yeah, I knew about the radiator hoses, but that is exactly what I was looking for as far as the other ones go. Funny because I looked at Berk's site and after I didn't see anything under the MR2 stuff, I didn't bother checking the vacuum line section *facepalm*. Thank you, going to order that set tonight.

[mak5603]

Ordered some more stuff..

Now it's time for my ultimate clutch / flywheel decision. After weighing my options for literally months, and changing my mind over 5-10 times, I think I know what I want. My number one goal is to pick a setup that will be fun, but easily daily able. My goal is to daily the 3s celi. So with that said, I originally wanted to go with an ACT 6 puck, Fidanza flywheel, then Exedy stage 1 Fidanza flywheel. But the first option was too "non street" for me, and the second was stretching the limits of the max torque capacity of the clutch with my 3s, which I don't want for obvious reasons. Then I got to thinking, I don't even want an 8lb. flywheel. I than found a 12 pound steel flywheel, which I would way rather have (I have read stories where aluminum flywheels can do bad things under high heat, mainly after track use) from Competition Clutch. They also offer a Stage 2 clutch, both items go hand in hand and are recomeded for higher hp street applications.

So I think I am going to try out the Competition Clutch Stage 2 clutch and Competition Clutch Light (Not ultra light) Steel Flywheel. What you guys think?

[96stgreendemon]

Thats actually the clutch kit im looking at for when i swap, i believe tweak sells them, but wouldnt it just be the same as a clutch set up from the MR2 turbo?

[mak5603]

Thats actually the clutch kit im looking at for when i swap, i believe tweak sells them, but wouldnt it just be the same as a clutch set up from the MR2 turbo?

I know the flywheel is the same. For my swap the clutch is the same as Mr2 because I am using an e153.

[presure2]

I am running a comp clutch I got thru tweak.
I won't run another.
Pedal feel is horrible(ie: very heavy), totally sucks for daily driving, and is very on/off, even after almost 2 years. It also feels like it's starting to slip a little when I go 3rd gear pulls on the highway @ high boost (19-20psi) which is ~ 320whp or so. The only good point of that clutch was it was cheap. like almost 100$ cheaper than what I was going to get at the time.
the next clutch I buy will be a clutchmasters. I'll definitely spend the extra money.
My cousin has a stage 4 unsprung that has better engagement and lighter pedal feel than both the comp I'm running, and the act hd pp.
I've driven several different setups over the years,(act, spec, centerforce, competition) the centerforce was is by far the best one Ive felt so far, especially since it's got great pedal feel, and can still hold 400ft lbs all day.
And yea if your running the E153, any mr2t or alltrac clutch will bolt on.

[match220]

nice, I'm doing the same swap

This post has been edited by match220: Apr 4, 2011 - 2:16 PM

[mak5603]

I am running a comp clutch I got thru tweak.
I won't run another.
Pedal feel is horrible(ie: very heavy), totally sucks for daily driving, and is very on/off, even after almost 2 years. It also feels like it's starting to slip a little when I go 3rd gear pulls on the highway @ high boost (19-20psi) which is ~ 320whp or so. The only good point of that clutch was it was cheap. like almost 100$ cheaper than what I was going to get at the time.
the next clutch I buy will be a clutchmasters. I'll definitely spend the extra money.
My cousin has a stage 4 unsprung that has better engagement and lighter pedal feel than both the comp I'm running, and the act hd pp.
I've driven several different setups over the years,(act, spec, centerforce, competition) the centerforce was is by far the best one Ive felt so far, especially since it's got great pedal feel, and can still hold 400ft lbs all day.
And yea if your running the E153, any mr2t or alltrac clutch will bolt on.

Not what I like to hear and definitely not the first time I've heard such complaints. Looks like that clutch is out of the picture for me now. I still like the flywheel, but now I'm back to looking for a good street clutch.

[mak5603]

More boring stuff came in this week that I will be putting on.

I repainted my valve cover a glossier red.

Last but not least I officially ordered my clutch and flywheel. Went with Clutch Masters FX300 (Stage 3) clutch and Competition Clutch lightweight steel 12 pound flywheel. Now I'm just waiting for those things to come in and I should be just about ready to go.

[mak5603]

Almost set to go.



This post has been edited by mak5603: May 7, 2012 - 1:24 PM

[OOBE]

Aaaaah this is so awesome! Another swap. Keep it coming.

[presure2]

More boring stuff came in this week that I will be putting on.

I repainted my valve cover a glossier red.

Last but not least I officially ordered my clutch and flywheel. Went with Clutch Masters FX300 (Stage 3) clutch and Competition Clutch lightweight steel 12 pound flywheel. Now I'm just waiting for those things to come in and I should be just about ready to go.

let me know how you like that clutch..my cousin has a stage 4 unsprung, with stock fw, and it feels sooo nice compared to the stage 4 sprung comp. clutch i have.

[mak5603]

More boring stuff came in this week that I will be putting on.

I repainted my valve cover a glossier red.

Last but not least I officially ordered my clutch and flywheel. Went with Clutch Masters FX300 (Stage 3) clutch and Competition Clutch lightweight steel 12 pound flywheel. Now I'm just waiting for those things to come in and I should be just about ready to go.

let me know how you like that clutch..my cousin has a stage 4 unsprung, with stock fw, and it feels sooo nice compared to the stage 4 sprung comp. clutch i have.

Will do for sure. I'm really excited to feel this setup.

I went with stage 3 because I don't want a "puck" clutch for my daily.

[mak5603]

Was really hoping to be driving this by now. Unfortunately I haven't touched it in weeks as I am still waiting for my axles, ecu, and intake from the person I bought it from... Supposedly they are coming, but such has been the story for a year now, so we will see. No use doing anything until I have everything ready.

It's really bumming me out and I'm really starting to lose interest in this project. I want a 3s celi bad, but this wait it BS. My motor can't be stored where it is forever as I don't own the warehouse, so if the stuff doesn't come soon I don't know what I am going to do

[brenton1919]

Just working on ordering the remaining stuff I need. I'm buying an Exedy stage 2 clutch and possibly a flywheel. I have a question for some of you, and I know this is kind of vague..but do you think daily driving is still going to be manageable with a Fidanza flywheel or should I probably just resurface my stock flywheel? I've driven light flywheels, but never on a FWD car or car with this much power, so I am kind of stuck and don't know what to do.

Another question, where are you swappers getting your hoses? Anywhere in particular? Something I gotta start keeping an eye out for.

Thanks in advanced guys!

im running the clutch master light weight flywheel with a stage 1 clutch on my set up.................. i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate it.............. lol.. u wanna talk about slipping i cant even down shift the dang thing all u smell is clutch. i back out the drive way all u smell is clutch.. i have many cars with way more hp than my caldina set up.. but ive never seen a car this bad im gonna change my set up soon

[mak5603]

Got my ECU today.

Hopefully soon I will receive axles and intake. Then finally able to get this beast in the bay where it belongs.

[mak5603]

Stiiiiiiiiiiiill waiting for my axles and intake... Motors just chillin in my storage unit, looking pretty. Switched a couple things up. Bought a FMIC with welded piping fit up for a 3s, so I'm pretty excited about that. Also repainiting a couple pieces.

I really hope to have some more updates soon. Jim says axles should be in too him within a week, then on too me...but we'll see. Getting pretty bored of the 5s, haha, I never pay attention to this car anymore.

Anyways, if anyone needs a E154f, W2A intercooler, Apexi AFC NEO, or turbo xs rfl bov, let me know.

This post has been edited by mak5603: Jul 14, 2011 - 3:37 PM