Sway bar polyurethane bushings, Anyone found some that fit our old celicas?? Options

[samir0189]

I have searched, and searched. No clear answer as to the size of our stock sway bars, but I seem to see that they may be
F: 18mm and R: 16mm, can this be confirmed?

Also, I see that the brand Prothane makes universal poly bushings.


I hope you can see where I'm going with this.

Will these fit? or is the length measurement off? Or Can anyone direct me to some that are known to fit?
I would measure my bushings but they are disintegrated pretty badly to the point I am not sure I would get a proper measurement. Worst case scenario, I buy squishy OEM rubber replacements.

FRONT 18mm

REAR 16mm

[RabidTRD]

Energy Suspension makes a set that fit perfectly. I've got them on my car.

Yes, the rear bar is 16mm. It says it right on the side of the bushing. I haven't changed the front yet, so I can't help you there. But when I go to work, I'll pull out the Energy catalog and give you the part number.

[RabidTRD]

OK, part number that fits perfect from Energy Suspension: 9.5120G or 9.5120R. (The "G" stands for Black bushing and the "R" is Red. You can place either at the end of the part number to get the color you want.)

[easternpiro1]

good stuff, from what i hear this is a great investment for those with swaps, or intend on tracking their car

[samir0189]

OK, part number that fits perfect from Energy Suspension: 9.5120G or 9.5120R. (The "G" stands for Black bushing and the "R" is Red. You can place either at the end of the part number to get the color you want.)

You are more than awesome. Thanks. I am going to try to measure the front sway bar today if I get the chance. Hopefully, since Energy makes one that fits the rear, then the correct size for the front should have a good probability of fitting also.

good stuff, from what i hear this is a great investment for those with swaps, or intend on tracking their car

I'm not doing either. Those rubber bushings just don't last.

[samir0189]

The front sway bar on my car is 20mm. I will look for if energy makes one that size later on.

[samir0189]

Seems like the part number for the front would be 9.5124

I'll report back here when I get them.

[easternpiro1]

OK, part number that fits perfect from Energy Suspension: 9.5120G or 9.5120R. (The "G" stands for Black bushing and the "R" is Red. You can place either at the end of the part number to get the color you want.)

You are more than awesome. Thanks. I am going to try to measure the front sway bar today if I get the chance. Hopefully, since Energy makes one that fits the rear, then the correct size for the front should have a good probability of fitting also.

good stuff, from what i hear this is a great investment for those with swaps, or intend on tracking their car

I'm not doing either. Those rubber bushings just don't last.

agreed, but i hear they are a HUGE P.I.T.A. to put in! ive seen diagrams on here somewhere of points, but i cant find them....

[richee3]

I'm tempted to replace several bushings in my front end in a week or two when I pull my motor out. I'll be curious to see if these fit.

[Malhar95]

how much do these cost avg.? im not tracking or swapping, just looking for a suspension upgrade, kinda. would u guys suggest these?

[samir0189]

OK, part number that fits perfect from Energy Suspension: 9.5120G or 9.5120R. (The "G" stands for Black bushing and the "R" is Red. You can place either at the end of the part number to get the color you want.)

You are more than awesome. Thanks. I am going to try to measure the front sway bar today if I get the chance. Hopefully, since Energy makes one that fits the rear, then the correct size for the front should have a good probability of fitting also.

good stuff, from what i hear this is a great investment for those with swaps, or intend on tracking their car

I'm not doing either. Those rubber bushings just don't last.

agreed, but i hear they are a HUGE P.I.T.A. to put in! ive seen diagrams on here somewhere of points, but i cant find them....

I took my front one out to measure the diameter of the hole. It took 10 mins including getting tools and removing the wheel. The bolt on the back of the sway bar bracket is difficult to access, you just gotta go under the car to reach it. I don't see why the new ones should be any more difficult to put in, but we'll see.

I'm tempted to replace several bushings in my front end in a week or two when I pull my motor out. I'll be curious to see if these fit.

I sure hope they will. Well, I know the rear ones will thanks to Rabid. I'm just hoping the fronts will be the similar. I measured the OEM bracket and the sizes are comparable. Off by 1/16" here and there, should be anything to worry about.

how much do these cost avg.? im not tracking or swapping, just looking for a suspension upgrade, kinda. would u guys suggest these?

I paid $35 shipped for the both front and rear sets from http://www.energysuspensionparts.com/Unive...ar-Bushings.asp

But I suggest you wait a bit, I'll post back here if the ones I purchased fit or not.

I don't know how much of an "upgrade" it is. My sway bar pops and creaks and such; I've been wanting to change these for a while. I understand that steering response should improve and body roll should be lessened somewhat.

This post has been edited by samir0189: Dec 5, 2011 - 1:53 PM

[RabidTRD]

One thing I will suggest, and highly recommend doing is sanding down the sway bar. Clean it up and paint it, especially where the bushing contacts. Urethane creaks... I didn't clean mine off and OH MY GOD is it loud now lmao. I want to get a sticker for my window that says, "Yeah, I creak. But I'll destroy you in a corner."

The urethane on the rear bar makes a HUGE difference. When jacking my car up, I notice it then even. If I'm jacking up my front right tire where the jack is suppose to be positioned on the frame rail, the whole rear lifts with the front. the car will teeder lol. It's pretty awesome.

I'm planning on doing the whole rear in urethane and then work on the front. I'm auto-crossing though.

[samir0189]

I received the bushings today actually. I'll post some pics and such in a few.

I'll see about the sanding and painting, seems like it'd be a bit difficult for where it is located (without removing the whole bar). I'm definitely gonna clean it up with some degreaser or brake cleaner as its got the funk all over it. They did send me some lube (giggity) to prevent the squeaking/creaking. I don't imagine it would last long under there exposed to all the water etc, but we'll see. Regardless, I have so many noises it will just add to the mini orchestra I have going on. I'll just play the radio louder if anything.

I'll be sure to take pictures of fitment for the front and rear when I install it (for reference here since there is little to no information) especially for the front. This could be a pretty good upgrade for those who don't want to go all out and put the ST sway bars.

[RabidTRD]

I'd say to take a piece of sand paper and wrap it around it and just work it back and fourth. Better than nothing.

The... lube... is REALLY tacky. It doesn't come off... anything lol. Make sure you've got plenty of degreaser around for your hands.

Very interested to know how that front one works because I need to put one in there as well.

This post has been edited by RabidTRD: Dec 8, 2011 - 8:08 PM

[samir0189]

Well. They were a bit of a pain to install, yes. Only because the material has absolutely no give to it. The lubricant is also very tacky; it is disturbing.

20mm fits the front perfectly.

As far as the rear goes, I would see if maybe a 17mm could fit on there. I did get the 16mm to go on, but it remains with the slightest gap where the bushing is split after install. The OEM bushing has a wedge shape to sit against the frame, whereas these do not. I don't know if that is what makes the difference. I didn't get a picture of the rear due to the thing we call "night." May get one tomorrow if anyone wants it.

I have no opinion on how they feel as of yet, but I'll report back when I drive the car.

Front fitment:

[RabidTRD]

Omg your bars have absolutely no rust on them at all lmao.

The rears were tight? Really? Mine slid on perfectly with no gap and were the same part number as those. That's odd. Maybe your sway bar is larger? Did your bushings have a stamped 16 on the side?

The rears should be shaped just like the fronts that you put on, just 16mm. What do you mean they weren't wedged? Is it possible the part is wrong?

This post has been edited by RabidTRD: Dec 10, 2011 - 11:19 PM

[Ted95]

nice work! anxious to hear how the car rides with them now

[samir0189]

Omg your bars have absolutely no rust on them at all lmao.

The rears were tight? Really? Mine slid on perfectly with no gap and were the same part number as those. That's odd. Maybe your sway bar is larger? Did your bushings have a stamped 16 on the side?

The rears should be shaped just like the fronts that you put on, just 16mm. What do you mean they weren't wedged? Is it possible the part is wrong?

Rabid, my bushings had no legible markings on them. To give you an idea of the shape they were in, the passenger front bushing came out in pieces. My rear oem bushings had a wedge shaped base, the new ones were shaped just like the front, like a "D" turned 90* counterclockwise. I don't know if that played a part in the gap, but I was just making known the observation.

It isn't a huge problem, it is still holding the bar well, the gap is minimal. but for anyone looking to get these, I'd suggest double checking the diameter by whatever means possible, because I'm really not sure if there are differing sizes amongst our cars or not.

nice work! anxious to hear how the car rides with them now

I have had a few days with them, and I must say, these are a great upgrade for the cost. If you have ever driven a car with worn struts and put on new ones, ... that feeling you get after driving on the new struts, is very similar to the feeling of these.

The car feels like it is sitting up higher; its a firmer feel all together. The steering response is much more precise. Also, I'm not sure how to describe it, but the "turn-in" is greatly improved. I can take a sharp corner faster and more on the inside line than I was able to before.

Body roll has been reduced by at least 50%. the car sits almost level on some serious turns, in comparison to before.

The rear end has a rock-solid feel to it. The Celica's tendency to over-steer doesn't change much, but these bushings do give a lot more feedback as to the cars capabilities and where that "let-go" point is, giving the driver much much more confidence in a corner.

Overall, for $35, I would say... why are you still reading this and not putting them on your car?!?!?



This post has been edited by samir0189: Dec 14, 2011 - 5:23 PM

[SupraKid]

Samir why did you get red bushings appose to black ones? The black ones are self lubricating for the same price.

[RabidTRD]

Do the colors really make a difference? I got black because I don't want my car getting solen.

[SwissFerdi]

$35 you say, huh? I may has to invest in these. Help me install thems?

By the way, I'd genuinely like you to know how much effort it took to word that so as not to use "put it in" around you.

Now the question remains, is there a different part number for the AT200 due to different size? Jegs doesn't seem to carry them for a '97...

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Dec 15, 2011 - 8:22 AM

[samir0189]

@andrew - 1. Didn't know the color made a difference, 2. These are red


@rabid - Apparently the black ones have some graphite something in it that lubes it (giggity), we can see why andrew would like those now, right?

@ferdi - I'm gonna say that the ST probably has different size sway bars because of the weight difference. Have to do some measuring to find out I guess. Andrew will help you put it in.... I hear he likes it to lube itself though. On second thought, he can help with the measuring too! ......

[SupraKid]

The more lube the better I always say.

[RabidTRD]

Omg lmao!

So then I could have run my black ones dry?

[mkernz22]

ebay!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CELICA-ST202-ST204...=item20c05c8ad8

[SupraKid]

uhm...Kern those are more expensive..

[mkernz22]

i know, but it's still another option

[Spider77]

$35 you say, huh? I may has to invest in these. Help me install thems?

By the way, I'd genuinely like you to know how much effort it took to word that so as not to use "put it in" around you.

Now the question remains, is there a different part number for the AT200 due to different size? Jegs doesn't seem to carry them for a '97...

Fronts on my GT measured 20mm.....If I can find these in stock locally I will be putting them in this weekend.

[SupraKid]

Will be installing my set and kirk mounts tomorrow.

[stephen_lee]

GT and ST have different sized sway bars IIRC.

[SupraKid]

These things are SWEEEEEEETTTTTTT. Definitely a difference in the cornering.

[Ted95]

These things are SWEEEEEEETTTTTTT. Definitely a difference in the cornering.

What size did you get 16 & 20mm right?

[SupraKid]

Yea and I got the black ones. With lube they go on pretty easily. I found myself making that's what she said jokes every 5 seconds while installing them with my roommate.

This post has been edited by SupraKid: Jan 1, 2012 - 2:40 AM

[Ted95]

Yea and I got the black ones. With lube they go on pretty easily. I found myself making that's what she said jokes every 5 seconds while installing them with my roommate.

lmao good ****t bro

[RoyO]

Anyone installed these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/ST-ANTI-SWAY-BAR-9...=item4aab145857

[SupraKid]

*Couch cough searchyoumuthafugginnoob cough cough* lol

This post has been edited by SupraKid: Jan 1, 2012 - 5:26 PM

[RoyO]

*Couch cough searchyoumuthafugginnoob cough cough* lol

Thanks kid, I didn't know "ST" stands for Suspension techniques so I couldn't find them

[RabidTRD]

Yea and I got the black ones. With lube they go on pretty easily. I found myself making that's what she said jokes every 5 seconds while installing them with my roommate.

You and I both rofl.

[Spider77]

Ordered a set......on an off topic, amyone try the energy suspension poly engine mount filler?

[Spider77]

Rear sway bar for a GT is 17mm (according to my old bushing) but the 16mm do fit, as noted previously with a slight gap. I gotta say, installation was a breeze though, for 35 bucks I dont see why more people havent done this yet.

[SupraKid]

My thoughts exactly about the 7th gen short shifter.

[jordisonjr]

Has anyone used these sway bar bushings: http://www.gt4-racing.eu/index.php/toyota-...r-anti-roll-bar
and are they comparable to the energy suspension bushings?

[mkernz22]

Has anyone used these sway bar bushings: http://www.gt4-racing.eu/index.php/toyota-...r-anti-roll-bar
and are they comparable to the energy suspension bushings?

I posted the same exact one, except they were on ebay haha

[jordisonjr]

ohhhh haha my bad.
did you end up getting these? or from Energy?

[jordisonjr]

Do you have to jack up the car to replace the rear sway bar bushings?

[trdproven]

just following up on this thread, is it confirmed the front sway bar is 18mm, for the rears i saw that 17mm is more better and 16mm is tight but will still fit.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Apr 27, 2012 - 6:54 PM

[trdproven]

Im guessing the fronts need 20mm bushings and best fit for rear is 17mm?

[Spider77]

Im guessing the fronts need 20mm bushings and best fit for rear is 17mm?

Yup. 16 is a tight fit. If you can reuse the brackets on the rear...one side is longer than the other and itll,make it easier. Not saying you cant use the ones that come with them. I had a hard time getting bolts to thread in, then again it coulda just been me.

[jordisonjr]

I just put in the 16mm on the rear, with the bracket that came from energy suspension.
Didn't have a problem getting the bolts to thread in.
But I did break a bolt removing the driver side, so its still only half done lol

[trdproven]

did the ES bushings change the feel from a daily driver perspective?

[jordisonjr]

I wasn't able to finish installing them yet.
I broke a bolt on the stock bracket. the head broke off so i have to get it drilled out.
Sway bar is currently just unhooked from endlinks, but ll report back when its all complete.

[doctavic]

GT and ST have different sized sway bars IIRC.

has anyone confirmed the size of the rear ST sway bar? I think I need to get rear sway bar bushings...

[Syaoran]

PROPER SIZES for a GT (ST204): 20mm front, 17mm rear.

16mm rear will fit, but it's not the right bushing.

I believe the 16mm rear bar is on the ST (AT200).

[doctavic]

16 it is for me then (AT200), thank you Syaoran... hopefully this will get rid of the dead strut sound I'm getting after I just replaced my struts and springs!

This post has been edited by doctavic: Nov 21, 2012 - 8:03 AM

[Syaoran]

16 it is for me then (AT200), thank you Syaoran... hopefully this will get rid of the dead strut sound I'm getting after I just replaced my struts and springs!

You could always measure with something like a Crescent Wrench next to where the bushing is, if you don't have a caliper to measure.

[RabidTRD]

I own a ST204 and have 16mm rear bars.

[Syaoran]

I own a ST204 and have 16mm rear bars.

What year is yours? Mine only fit a 17mm wrench right next to the bushing, and I have a '94. Everyone who's put in poly sway bar bushings that has used 16mm bushings has said that there's a slight gap after tightening, which indicates that the bushing is too small.

[BillyM81]

My black 94 gt and my yellow parts car both have 16mm bushings on the rear sway bar

[RabidTRD]

My GT is a 94. It never had a gap on the bushing. :\

[delusionz]

you guys have 20mm front??? what the hell!!! why is it smaller on my st205?? i bought 20mm for the front and there was a 2mm gap either side of the bar, meaning my front bar is about 16mm ..... makes no sense... ?

[BonzaiCelica]

you guys have 20mm front??? what the hell!!! why is it smaller on my st205?? i bought 20mm for the front and there was a 2mm gap either side of the bar, meaning my front bar is about 16mm ..... makes no sense... ?

you stock gt4 is 15mm and any SS-II/SS-III with front superstrut is 14mm

Tanabe is 17mm and C-one is 18mm. So your stocks might be 16mm and ss-III could very well be 15mm. superstrut is a better built geometrical suspension.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Nov 12, 2013 - 6:41 PM

[delusionz]

i wonder if the front bar from an st204 would fit an st205 ...


on every car ive seen, they have big swaybars up front and smaller ones at the rear,

when i bought my whiteline adjustable 20mm rear bar, i realised this would make my car the opposite of every other car on the street and im really not sure what this will do to my handling...

i haven't yet installed this bar yet as im still not up to that level of driving where i could be comfortable overspeeding a corner, brake drifting and full throttling into the direction i need to go

i figure the natural tendency to understeer is what makes the car "safe" for me

[Syaoran]

AWD cars are similar to FWD cars in that they tend to understeer. A bigger rear swaybar stiffens up the rear which increases oversteer, or reduces understeer.

Stiffer rear suspension in general means more oversteer. Stiffer front suspension increases understeer. I think thats how it goes

[delusionz]

ISH!

the rear swaybar will lift the outter wheel off the ground when the weight comes off

but

setting the rear dampers harder seems to give more traction back there... seems to me anyways

[SwissFerdi]

Having the rear dampers harder for more traction makes sense, since the strut should rebound more quickly, thereby aiding the return of full contact patch for the tire.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Nov 28, 2012 - 3:06 PM

[Syaoran]

Stiffer springs in the rear help to both improve traction and increase oversteer. Most semi-dedicated drag cars use undrivable rear springs to aid in launching. Weight transfer from front to rear breaks the front tires loose but makes the rear tires stick harder (a useless and bad side effect for FWD cars but could be beneficial to some AWD cars, like an open-diff front, torsen rear setup).

Weight transfer is mostly beneficial to RWD cars but it gets more and more dangerous the more torque you put down to the ground (wheelies are bad) There's a couple videos of MY2010+ Mustangs breaking front suspension parts because of an unexpected wheelie for not using wheelie bars since it's a street car.

EDIT: I thought you said springs, but stiffer dampers will help reduce wheel hop which causes loss of traction. You might also want to look into stiffer rear differential mounts/cushion (like polyurethane) if you want the best traction back there.

This post has been edited by Syaoran: Nov 28, 2012 - 3:31 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

it is very possible to fit the st204 sway bar on st205 suspension. Actually I'm going to do that very soon if I cannot find anybody to buy my superstrut suspension. There is the idea of using a torch to bend it to match the mounting points of the superstrut sway bar. Actually look in the superstrut thread on the last page, I discussed this but nobody replied to it...

[jordisonjr]

Torching a sway bar, and bending it to fit seems like it would cause extreme weak points at the bends, no?

[doctavic]

16 it is for me then (AT200), thank you Syaoran... hopefully this will get rid of the dead strut sound I'm getting after I just replaced my struts and springs!

You could always measure with something like a Crescent Wrench next to where the bushing is, if you don't have a caliper to measure.

I did measure, it was 16mm. Installed them today

[RabidTRD]

Is anyone else having crazy loud creak noises? Did I install mine wrong all along?

[SwissFerdi]

Rubbing on the frame somewhere, I bet.

[Galcobar]

Is anyone else having crazy loud creak noises? Did I install mine wrong all along?

Polyurethane requires lubrication to prevent, or at least minimise, noise. If the bushings didn't come with some an effective replacement I've used is a brand of lubricant called Super Lube. The Multi-Purpose Grease with PTFE is what I used on my polyurethane bushings to replace the original grease. A 1/2-ounce tube covered three applications, approximately matching my oil change intervals.

[jordisonjr]

^ This.

[richee3]

I've had mine on for around 7-10k miles now and haven't heard a sound from them yet.

[BonzaiCelica]

i had a annoying creak on teh front sway bars, but it finally went away. the creek happened after 2,000 miles of new grease sway bar bushing. now its silent again...

[Galcobar]

I've had mine on for around 7-10k miles now and haven't heard a sound from them yet.

My experience was the grease originally provided by Suspension Techniques with my new anti-sway bar lasted far longer than the Super Lube, but then it's specifically designed for this purpose. The grease ST provided was definitely much thicker and stickier than the Super Lube, but since relubing the bushings is easy I decided the expense of shipping a tube of the actual polyurethane grease up from the U.S. wasn't worth the bother.

[RabidTRD]

I've lubed the hell out of them... I used the whole provided tube on both but still they constantly creak. I'm wondering if my bracket is pinching them tighter than they should be? Or maybe I have to lower the car and mount them with it lowered?

So you re-lubricate them every 3k miles?

This post has been edited by RabidTRD: Dec 4, 2012 - 2:58 PM

[Galcobar]

I relube mine about that, but I suspect that's because I'm not using the exact right type of lubricant. As I said, the Super Lube grease I'm using is much less viscous than the grease provided by Suspension Techniques.