00+ gts brake swap an abs delete, wheres the links / write ups Options

[kurt95gt]

Ok now that the 1mz is running up to par i want to focus. On the brakes.
I want to delete. The abs an swap the front brakes to the newer gts brakes
Im looking for the links on hows there done so i can do mine
I tried to search but my phone sucks
Thank for the help as alway

[KAOS]

Make sure you document this as well. Once my swap is done I want to do the ABS delete as well.

[kurt95gt]

I plan on it

[BonzaiCelica]

why do you want the newer gts brakes??

[kurt95gt]

My understanding was they are better than our stocks

[BonzaiCelica]

My understanding was they are better than our stocks

you mean the caliper??? the rotors are the same size as our gt's. Ok maybe the gt-s are 5mm larger in diameter.

[kurt95gt]

So not not really worth doin on my gt then

[Box]

Want to say 7th gen caliper is dual pot, where our's are single pot. Unless it was a ST202 or ST205, they were dual pot too I believe.

[kurt95gt]

Ill have to look more into it

[Ted95]

ive read somewhere about the gts brakes and that they really werent much of an upgrade as they were pretty similar to the stock gt brakes.

this is a write up on how to convert mr2 calipers for a gt

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...+brake+calipers

[Box]

Got to looking at parts. Seems 7th gen Celica is single pot too. It's the MR2 Turbo that had dual pot calipers, along with the ST202 and ST205 if I recall correctly. I think I remember something on here about someone using MR2 Turbo calipers.

I see Ted got to that already, way to go Ted.

This post has been edited by Box: May 5, 2012 - 12:05 AM

[BonzaiCelica]

mr2 have less surface area than the oem gt calipers. get supertrut celica twin piston calipers. They supposedly bolt up too gt brake bracket.... says forgmann via his forsale thread. but pics are that clear (night pics)

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 6, 2012 - 1:20 AM

[richee3]

mr2 have less surface area than the oem gt calipers. get supertrut celica twin piston calipers. They supposedly bolt up too gt brake bracket.... says forgmann via his forsale thread. but pics are that clear (night pics)

They make no difference, per Rusty and S8S8. Bit of a waste of cash unless your car is a track car.

This post has been edited by richee3: May 6, 2012 - 10:23 AM

[BonzaiCelica]

mr2 have less surface area than the oem gt calipers. get supertrut celica twin piston calipers. They supposedly bolt up too gt brake bracket.... says forgmann via his forsale thread. but pics are that clear (night pics)

They make no difference, per Rusty and S8S8. Bit of a waste of cash unless your car is a track car.

yes true that better surface area! less likely to lock up your brakes on the TRACK!!

[kurt95gt]

Ive done my best with this car to keep the major parts from other usdm cars so if/when they need replaced i can just walk in to advance an say i need — part for —car
So the ss-iii calipers are out of the running
Ill probably just stick with the gt brakes an delete the abs if i cant get my brakes to work better after i bleed them again

[jcbass7]

Ive done my best with this car to keep the major parts from other usdm cars so if/when they need replaced i can just walk in to advance an say i need — part for —car
So the ss-iii calipers are out of the running
Ill probably just stick with the gt brakes an delete the abs if i cant get my brakes to work better after i bleed them again

ABS delete is fairly simple (from talking to others who have done it) just a few new brake lines along the firewall which can be ordered from toyota.

I am converting my car from ABS to no-ABS in the next month or so, I just got all the firewall lines from a parts car that didn't have ABS.

[kurt95gt]

Could you post up some of the info you know in alittle better detail?

[playr158]

Why are you getting rid of ABS?!??!?

[jcbass7]

Could you post up some of the info you know in alittle better detail?

Yea I'll snap some pics and write some more tomorrow

Why are you getting rid of ABS?!??!?

For me its because all my sensors are toast, and I want a cleaner engine bay

[kurt95gt]

Why are you getting rid of ABS?!??!?

My abs box hasnt kicked on since i done my swap so my brakes are soft
Im hoping new pads rotors an deleting the abs will fix it

[BonzaiCelica]

^^^^ get stainless steel braided lines. rebuild your calipers (depends on your car mileage??)

abs is awesome( keeps you from locking up brakes on sudden stops)

unless you track your car I'd say keep your abs??

[playr158]

Even most track cars have ABS...shoot LM GT cars have ABS....its stupid not to have it.
I'm converting TO ABS..

[KAOS]

Why are you getting rid of ABS?!??!?

and I want a cleaner engine bay

This ^^

[kurt95gt]

Im pretty set on deleting mine since it doesnt work

[Ted95]

I have the part numbers for the delete I'll check for them when I get home. I did it to my celi when i swapped in the 3s. It's a lot easier with the motor out but can be done with the motor in. Just need non-abs Lines and master cylinder.

This post has been edited by Ted95: May 7, 2012 - 10:06 AM

[mkernz22]

To get ABS when you have a non-ABS setup, just get into the habit of pumping your brakes when you have to stop fast.
I swapped to non-ABS and when I do have to stop fast, my wheels don't lock up. It's fine in the rain as well, but just watch out for sand patches cause those are what will get you from time to time. Just make sure you have grippy tires that aren't almost bald and you'll be fine.

[KAOS]

Who needs ABS.

Its called "threshold braking".

ABS is for the inexperienced drivers who panic and slam on the brakes as an initial reaction.

[playr158]

you silly canadian

[KAOS]

you silly canadian

It's so true.

[Box]

What's scary is driving a 50's or 60's car that weighs 5,000 pounds with manual drum brakes. Learn to bring that to a stop, and you'll be good in anything else.

[azian_advanced]

i'm with playr158 on this one. a car with ABS will be able to keep each tire at their peak braking limits, even when the slip conditions per wheel vary between left/right and front/rear, especially during cornering where the inner wheels are most likely to slip first during braking.
one reason not to have it is to have that feeling of being "one with the machine" without any electronic driving assistance.

[jcbass7]

I just don't want to keep buying ABS sensors and since it doesn't work... I'm removing it lol

[Ted95]

Non-ABS part #'s.. i dont remember if the master part number is in this list, i think its just brake lines

47201-2B090

47318-20350

47313-20700

47311-2B120

47371-20540

90904-13009

[kurt95gt]

Thanks for the info ted

[Special_Edy]

Well I want to add ABS at some point. The rear wheels lose traction alot faster than the front and ABS would balance that out.

[mandrek]

btw, TC gear will fit our cars too...

[purplegt4]

btw, TC gear will fit our cars too...

Just got a set of caliper, brackets, pads, and rotors for a TC. I'll post up later after install.

[jcbass7]

btw, TC gear will fit our cars too...

Just got a set of caliper, brackets, pads, and rotors for a TC. I'll post up later after install.

[purplegt4]

TC bracket bolted right on.

almost the same size.


ST on top, TC on bottom


pads and bracket for ST on left, TC on right


new brakes.


The bracket for my ST brakes and the bracket for the TC had the same sliding pin rust and lock in place. I had to clean this out prior to fitting. Probably the cause for horrible brakes before.

Time for some TC brake upgrades (once I find the weakness in these)

[glenn]

Got to looking at parts. Seems 7th gen Celica is single pot too. It's the MR2 Turbo that had dual pot calipers, along with the ST202 and ST205 if I recall correctly. I think I remember something on here about someone using MR2 Turbo calipers.

The ST205 have four pot calipers and ventilated 315mm discs in front and two pot (floating) calipers in rear (also 315mm discs)

The ST205 brakes is really good actually.

[playr158]

TC pads look like less surface area?
how is this beneficial?

[purplegt4]

I was thinking better aftermarket support, if anything.

[Ted95]

Got to looking at parts. Seems 7th gen Celica is single pot too. It's the MR2 Turbo that had dual pot calipers, along with the ST202 and ST205 if I recall correctly. I think I remember something on here about someone using MR2 Turbo calipers.

The ST205 have four pot calipers and ventilated 315mm discs in front and two pot (floating) calipers in rear (also 315mm discs)

The ST205 brakes is really good actually.

the st205 brakes are the best brakes for our cars, however they arent cheap and are hard to find in the states.

This post has been edited by Ted95: May 26, 2012 - 10:28 PM

[bnr32celica]

All you guys who are deleting ABS are crazy. I have LS400 fronts, and I would love to have my ABS back (had a rear hub go out, and all I could score was a non-ABS unit). Please sell me the ABS hubs then so I don't have to spend $400 at Toyota.