broke ass celica build (4age) Options

[vplukas101]

Hello everyone i just bought about a week ago my first toyota
a 94 st coupe with a 4age swap

This car has bin for sale in the chicago area, my friend bought it from some guy that could not get a shop to work on it because of the 4age perhaps and how rigged up it is.

I bought it from him because my miata is turning into a track car and i could use a cheap reliable daily, i really wanted a mr2 but for the price i thought i can wait another year or so to buy one


the hooptie



ghey miata and hooptie



some junk in the trunk



itbs nom nom nom



NAWWWSSS BUTTON! (jk previous owner wanted a push start so he cut starter wires and made one -.-)




wireless 02 sensor -.-




least favorite thing about the car



andd what will be the death of me -.-





screw aftermarket alarms! and people that install them and have no idea what to do

[njccmd2002]

cut the extra wires, they are to long, and just tuck them in with some duck tape. it will be fine.

I saw this car for sale, i wondered who would be brave enough to buy it.

[vplukas101]

cut the extra wires, they are to long, and just tuck them in with some duck tape. it will be fine.

I saw this car for sale, i wondered who would be brave enough to buy it.

i am hunting down each wire and cutting it from wear it was added hopefully it will solve some of the starting issues

[cheela]

ah! this car. I remember it too. good luck with everything.

it is a really clean shell though. that's good to have especially in the midwest.

[kurt95gt]

Ugh i feel bad for you
I HATE WIRING!! .
Good luck should be a fun dd once its done

[Box]

*camera zooms in* May God have mercy on your soul.

Oi, what a headache. Best of luck to you.

[richee3]

At least the car made it to someone who joined the site and will try to fix it. Good luck!

[stephen_lee]

Glad to see you here!

Good luck, wiring can be a biitch

[dliverance]

I'll get that shipping quote for the spoiler for you on Monday or Tuesday. The car seems like a great project. Will you be doing any exterior work as well?

[vplukas101]

I'll get that shipping quote for the spoiler for you on Monday or Tuesday. The car seems like a great project. Will you be doing any exterior work as well?

curren tailights a drop tint maybe some nicer wheels first step is getting it running

[vplukas101]

lets see did more work on the hooptie



more **** out



much better looking

put more of the dash parts together



and now the fun part!!



my friend that is good with electrical crap came by today and we were trying to un- rig the push button start wires and found out that the reason it was installed was to bypass a short somewear. so now i am going to pull the harness and get a new one same thing with a body harness and fix this mess and have a daily. I am hoping to have it done by the july cellica meet at starved rock, fingers crossed!

[kurt95gt]

Lookin alot better

[purplegt4]

i wonder if that motor has an auto ecu.

[vplukas101]

i wonder if that motor has an auto ecu.

yup it does

[vplukas101]

Well more work is done but i am at a cross road, dont know what to do with the wiring harness Dont want to spend alot of money but also dont want to do any wiring my self sucks

well here is how the car sits currently after a nice detail








And the inside






and all of the power




What do you guys think i should do?

[njccmd2002]

youve gone this far, i say pay the extra for the harness. it looks awesome dude, really

[rave2n]

Definatly a nice change, she cleaned up well.

Get that harness done!

[cheela]

keep going.

[vplukas101]

I bought the car from Driver from this forum, by any chance were any of the previous owners on this forum?

[vplukas101]

Woke up this morning to find this outside...




What is it you ask?




GAS



Took of the itbs to clean them and parentally gas comes out of this line -.-



Fuel return line? or what


I opened up the gas cap got a very long PSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH and fuel stopped coming out of the line, i kept the gas cap opened so it doesn't happen again

cleaned inside the itbs to get a **** load of oil off


and how it sits currently

[97lestyousay]

oh fun,

to bad it's not a 16v I have a complete uncut harness and ecu out of a 91 usdm ae92 I would make you a sweet deal on.

The blacktop will be fun, it seems like the 4a gets a bad rap here because the 3s is such a great motor but they are dependable,
smooth, and a lot of fun to drive.

[celica74]

That and the 4a's dont have much torque. Makes more sense in a light car like the corollas. Most users say they wasted there time swaping a 7a for a 4a unless they build them.

[mandrek]

yes, and the rolla/ hatchi guys lol "upgrade" to the 7a.. the builds that i have seen that seem to be the most successful are the 7agTe' s in the old 86.. they will swap the 7a's bottom end in place of the 4a... and also IIRC i remember seeing that the 16valve makes more power than the 20 valve when boosted..

my brother was in the area during the time i was porting my head (just gasket matched and some smoothing of the runners and getting rid of the machining/casting imperfections) and is of the opinion that the 7a head could actually make a good bit more power and flow allot more than what most ppl give it credit for.. he said that there is ALLOT of metal that can be removed from the head, both on the intake and exhaust.. and that NA gains could be realized w/ some time on a flow bench (to get measured results) and over sized valves (which can be had for cheap from the 4age/gze head) but the best results would come from a turbo application.. i have 2 spare heads and he will be building my next(full boost) application motor.. and i am curious on how much of an improvement he can get on the flow of the head, but that will be a wile from now as he is still looking for a flow bench that will work for what he wants and for the right $$$

any hoo, rambaling over. .i hope all goes well with your build, what ever the direction you deiced to go ultimately.. IMO stick the the black top, its already in there.. see what you can get out of it!

[celica74]

i will agree that there is alot of metal to remove, building an na 7a right now. hopefully i get some good numbers and open up more people to modifying them. not gunna do oversized vlaves tho, 3 angle, port, polish exhaust ports, cams, 11:1 comp. forged bottom end. We'll see what we can squeeze outa her

[mandrek]

i will agree that there is alot of metal to remove, building an na 7a right now. hopefully i get some good numbers and open up more people to modifying them. not gunna do oversized vlaves tho, 3 angle, port, polish exhaust ports, cams, 11:1 comp. forged bottom end. We'll see what we can squeeze outa her

what are you going to use for a controler? MS3, trust E-manage ultamate, safc, or any of the full top $$ stand alone???

[celica74]

i will agree that there is alot of metal to remove, building an na 7a right now. hopefully i get some good numbers and open up more people to modifying them. not gunna do oversized vlaves tho, 3 angle, port, polish exhaust ports, cams, 11:1 comp. forged bottom end. We'll see what we can squeeze outa her

what are you going to use for a controler? MS3, trust E-manage ultamate, safc, or any of the full top $$ stand alone???

Not sure yet. Gunna be a while to get everything together. Money is an issue. Lets not hijack this thread. Comment on mine (7a n/a build)

[vplukas101]

Attached the rear motor mount today



Anyone know what this is? Found it next to the starter wear the big power cable runs.




And shipping my harness to DRTWEAK tommrow to get this thing running hopefully in time for the celica meet at starved rock, Fingers crossed!



OO and got some free steelies, also need brake pads it was metal on metal -.-




^^THUG LIFE!!!

[celica74]

Signal wire? Look around on the starter. Should plug in around there.

[vplukas101]

Signal wire? Look around on the starter. Should plug in around there.

I unplugged it from the starter the wire was cut from it, would this prevent the starter from getting power?

[kurt95gt]

Could be

[mandrek]

the black wire that you are holding in your hands, was that pluged into the starter just next to the BIG wire that is bolted to the starter? if so then yes, your car will not start with out that wire.. it is the signal/switched wire that tells the starter to turn over, the BIG wire only feeds power to the electric motor in the starter.. so you need both.. hope this helps

[vplukas101]

the black wire that you are holding in your hands, was that pluged into the starter just next to the BIG wire that is bolted to the starter? if so then yes, your car will not start with out that wire.. it is the signal/switched wire that tells the starter to turn over, the BIG wire only feeds power to the electric motor in the starter.. so you need both.. hope this helps

looks like i will be playing with the harness one last time before i go to work to see if that was the problem thanks!

[celica74]

the black wire that you are holding in your hands, was that pluged into the starter just next to the BIG wire that is bolted to the starter? if so then yes, your car will not start with out that wire.. it is the signal/switched wire that tells the starter to turn over, the BIG wire only feeds power to the electric motor in the starter.. so you need both.. hope this helps

looks like i will be playing with the harness one last time before i go to work to see if that was the problem thanks!

Hope thats the only problem. Tired of reading this and only seeing problems being sorted out. I wanna see a post about how much you love 6gc's and how the 4a feels!

[mandrek]

yup.. np. but you will have to get a new O2 sensor as well.. looking in that pic the sensor is there, but the wires are clipped off... you will get a CEL due to that.. cahlk one more to the list.. but easy fix though

[richee3]

Yes, you will need that wire on the starter. I'd check all the wires on all the sensors before shipping the harness out, a quick tug to see if the wires are cut/loose should do. If this wire was making a very loose connection, then that explains why the car would sometimes start but often wouldn't.

I'm dying to hear a review of a 4A swapped Celica. I've found a select few posts saying the Silvertop swap is a poor choice for a Celica due to the car's weight and the engine's low torque. But I don't believe I've read anything on a Blacktop swapped Celica so I'm hoping you can get the wiring sorted out and have a reliable DD. I'd love to see this thing at the Midwest Meet.

[vplukas101]

yup.. np. but you will have to get a new O2 sensor as well.. looking in that pic the sensor is there, but the wires are clipped off... you will get a CEL due to that.. cahlk one more to the list.. but easy fix though

Yea i saw the 02 a day after i got the car, DRIVER gave me a 02 he had laying around from his car, and old warn 02 is better then no 02 imo

And this list keeps getting bigger and bigger lol

Yes, you will need that wire on the starter. I'd check all the wires on all the sensors before shipping the harness out, a quick tug to see if the wires are cut/loose should do. If this wire was making a very loose connection, then that explains why the car would sometimes start but often wouldn't.

I'm dying to hear a review of a 4A swapped Celica. I've found a select few posts saying the Silvertop swap is a poor choice for a Celica due to the car's weight and the engine's low torque. But I don't believe I've read anything on a Blacktop swapped Celica so I'm hoping you can get the wiring sorted out and have a reliable DD. I'd love to see this thing at the Midwest Meet.

The wiring harness has bin out of the car for about a month, i will ship it out anyway and have drtweak work his magic and fix what needs to be fixed, and i hope it will be a reliable DD and i extreamly hope i will be there at the midwest meet, if not i will bring my broke ass miata

[vplukas101]

Went on a quest today to pick and pull in Indiana



Found some fun...





Learned that hatch tails do not fit coupe's




Sat in a manual celica




I must say i loved the way it felt and that will be on my to do list for spring 2013

found this baby



Anddd then this baby




And this cutie



I loveeee the way it looks white and i have a feeling mine will be white in the spring also


Got this for my hooptie



Pedal assembly with a throttle cable, relay covers relay box and other small crap i pocketed

Andd tinted my side markers



Waiting for Drtweak to update me on the harness

[dliverance]

Glad to see you decided to keep her. I hope you get it where you want it soon.

[cheela]

wow! so many of them at the junkers. I can never find a single one by me.

[vplukas101]

wow! so many of them at the junkers. I can never find a single one by me.

only 3 and a half hours away from you

[RabidTRD]

White FTW! Japanese sports cars are suppose to be white! It's their racing color! lol.

[vplukas101]

Brake pads check





One step closer to the meet at starved rock

[vplukas101]

Can anyone tell me what this is?




a plug before the radio harness

[celica74]

Stock radio or aftermarket?

[vplukas101]

currently no radio lol, the blue harness goes into the radio and then i have no idea what that white plug goes to

[celica74]

wish i could help. when i replaced mine i dont remember any blue connectors. i know there is one for the head unit, and a black plug for the antenna. are you sure its for the sterro and not your cig, lighter?

[mkernz22]

Get a better picture of it with the wire colors showing. I could easily tell you then

Edit: From what it looks like, it might be the plug for the light that lights up the ring around the cigarette lighter

This post has been edited by mkernz22: Jul 2, 2012 - 7:58 PM

[celica74]

thats what i was thinking. i know it has a L shaped for power, and a small white one for the light. put it out and take a look

[kurt95gt]

Looks like the plug for the cig lighter light

[delusionz]

i have a connector like that tied up with my radio loom bundle, i believe the wiring exists for factory tweeters even tho the covers are blank as ive seen an extra plug and set of wires on the doors in that area

[vplukas101]

Well she is gone everyone just traded her for a hatch, was a fun 2 months, see you guys at the midwest bbq

[kurt95gt]

Do we atleast get to see the hatch ya traitor lol

[njccmd2002]

A hatch of what

[vplukas101]

why the **** did i get rid of this....... **** hondas i want another one

[njccmd2002]

hahaha, lol, it happens all the time.... Well bro i can tell you sumthing



that was a solid celica