Skyline..., coming to the us? Options

[snadman]

I am desperately searching thru my Dad's auto mags of this month to find the article he was describing. It supposively said that Nissan is going to counter Toyota's release of a supercar in 2005 with it's bringing of the Skyline to the US in 2007. Is this true?

[hioctane]

i think it's the 350z

[snadman]

No it's not, 350Z is already here...lol

Anyways, my Dad just found it. Page 29 in the January 2004 issue of Automobile. Far right bottom corner. Reads:

Next GT-R U.S.-bound:
Nissan chief Carlos Ghosn confirmed during the Tokyo Motor Show that the next Skyline GT-R supercoupe will come here. Good news: It will be semiaffordable and have 400 horsepower. Bad news: It doesn't debut until 2007.

Yay! I'm definitely finding the first dealership in MN that has one and checking it out.

[97sccelica]

yea, its true

supposed to have 400hp

[hioctane]

Wow 400 horseys that's crazy

[initialdrift55]

sweeet cant wait

[BigEdge169]

Here's a link I found just now through a google search about the car
http://groups.msn.com/EXTREMEStreetRacingI...ineconcept.msnw

[celicamanSTX2GT]

so what is the toyota supercar its suppose to rival???

[macavely]

hey 2007 gives me time to save up for one...

[Hym3n]

As much as I love the car, I really hate that they're bringing it to the US. By the time it's out, I'll be graduated from high school, and I mean, it's bad enough that there's two 350Z's, and countless Benz/Bimmer's at my school, but what.. now there will be 16 y/o's in Skylines? C'mon.. leave something for the Japanese.

-Brian

[Jeremy1210]

hells yeah about the skyline. A toyota supercar?? I am a little bit skeptical. Since the lack of performance products they have had in the past 5 or so years, I am a disbeliever. I just hope that they prove me wrong. PROVE ME WRONG TOYOTA!!!

[Cody]

I know it's just a "concept" car, but that new Skyline looks terrible.

[BenMMellor]

[Supersprynt]

First off, the basic Skyline is already here, its called the G35. The GT-R will be making a U.S. appearance but its not going to be called a Skyline ne more, and you know its goign to be hella toned down cuz of DOT rules and what not, but I agree with being displeased with the arrival. Theres a mystique about the GT-R and having it here will make it just another car.

[kuya1284]

[snadman]

[boosted_K2]

yea the G35 is technically a skyline...
toyota isnt going to make anything to rival it, theyve pretty much surrendered the sports car market, but theyre doing perfectly fine for themselves with the cars they are making.
the new GT-R should be interesting, it will probably be more closely related to the G35 styling, just rebadged and probably a different motor, or atleast a few tricks to suck some more HP from the current G35 motor. either way nissan is really looking good in the sports car category.

[boosted_K2]

[Supersprynt]

I think they'll leave the GT-R with a Nissan badge but it wont have anything saying Skyline on it.
Toyota's aim is pretty apparent with the introduction of Scion. They're aiming towards a younger audience who are more concerned with gas mileage than power. Honestly, i think thats a mistake. Young people want looks and power, not 50miles to the gallon.
And whens the last time you saw an NSX? They're a couple around here but thats CT and NY, and they're not new.

[94Toy]

Yeah I don't understand why toyota is backing out of the performance side of the car scene.

IMO they should do something to try and steal some of the thunder from the WRX, Mazdaspeed Protege, and EVO. They already have a great engine in the 3s-gte, or 2JZ. Why not upgrade one of those engines, and drop it back in an all-wheel drive car. If they wouldn't have discontinued with either of those engines it would be miles above all the cars I listed above. I do not understand what toyota is trying to do. They need to give us something.

[snadman]

They are recognizing a loss they had with the newer Celica's and deciding instead of trying and getting some of that market back, they want to concentrate on what they do best with the actual Toyota line and that's build reliable cars. The Lexus name is Toyota's showcase of performance. But, as we all read in the post about the Celica leaving, a new car will replace it. I'm guessing something performance oriented.

[Doge]

I thought Toyota was getting ready for the release of the new supra around the same time...or am i just misinformed? I recall seeing an article that said the next Supra will be in the same market as the 350z, no expensive tt setups...just alot of power from a good engine. The reason being to place it in the same "affordable yet powerfull" market.

of course i could just be talking out of my booty and am on crack or something...you never know... =)

This post has been edited by Doge: Jan 9, 2004 - 2:00 AM

[boosted_K2]

basically this is whats going on from a R&D standpoint:

sport compacts and sports cars are really big right now. Toyota has basically concided on that era and focusing on the next big thing, hybrid and fuelcell high gas-milage vehicles, which is unfortunatly the inevitable direction the auto market is going to take.

its like comparing this: before this sports car era, we had the SUV boom, before that was the stationwagon boom, and following the SUV boom was the short-lived crossover vehicle boom. these were very small eras in the evolution of vehicles.

Toyota is focusing on hybrid and fuelcell vehicles because that transformation can be more closely compared to the carborated to fuel injection transformation rather then the switching between popular vehicles of the time. instead of focusing on a certain market that is in a temporary high, they noticed that global economy isnt looking highly on oil dependant fuel. so they are looking to be one of the front runners for the mainstream advancement of automotives into fuel cells. the only thing that would crush this is if bush were to be a complete hypocrit and go ahead and claim iraqi oil fields as US property. but theres no way gv't would let that happen, the hupla following that kind of thing would be absolute pandamonium. That can be compared to how the Rotary motor, which was supposed to revolutionize engine technology, hit a brick wall when the energy crisis happened. This would be the exact opposite of that, instead of being in a crisis we would be back to normal, gas prices would fall, and the need for fuelcell vehicles would drop, and the high efficiency projects would dissappear.

[Jabberwock]

Are you guys talking about U.S. or the world because I heard celicas are still going to be made in Japan....

And you know there is a G35X which is an AWD version of the G35 and it seems that every year the g35 is looking more like a skyline...from the 6 speed to the AWD....

When I checked up some japanese magazines a while ago, toyota was rumored to be making a supercar and the concept drawying was called gt5000 or gt4000 something like that but it had supra written all over it. Supposedly if it comes out in the U.S. its going to be produced under Lexus, but its just another rumor.

Also, do not forget the infamous Camry Solara which will be a performance car maybe close in competition with the Z's and probably closer to the RX-8. The solara doesn't have much hype it seems but it is a sporty car.

Also, have you guys forgotten that the 3SGTE engine is still around and it still has the AWD....if you look at the japanese toyota site....
Well its basically just a newer matrix/caldina but its pretty tight..ST246
Click Here you will see engine specs for a GT4 caldina and you can click for photos. The GT4's have auto tranny but its supposed to have 6 speed soon.
2005 GT4 engine specs and photos


Plus the 7th gen celica is winning so many races like the japanese GT300 and GT500 championships....Thats a performance monster to be awaken right there.(hint maybe a newer celica but with a new name...hehe)

What I think sucks about TOYOTA is that they used to make great FR cars that were high revving....AE86 baby....thats what they should start bringing back even though there AWD performance is great.....But interestingly enough....toyota has made a lot of wagoned/hatchbacked cars...like the WILL VS and Altis and those are pretty cool for hatchbacks.

You guys also forget there is a semi/sport car...more of a fun sports car MR Spyder..

Anyways for me....I have faith in the ALMIGHTY Toyota. If they get into a phase of performanceless cars, I am pretty sure they will jump right back into making supras that will beat nissan, mitsu, and even hondas....

[neoklis]

Yea, Toyotas rule!!!

For some updates and photos you can just visit
photos and updates

[boosted_K2]

http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/news/03/index.html

lemme know if you see anything in there that partains to a sports car... cuz i sure dont besides their motorsports release for 03
http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/news/03/0225.html
i found this quote kinda cool
"3.All Japan Grand Touring Car Championship Series (JGTC)
Toyota will support teams taking part in the All Japan Grand Touring Car Championship Series (JGTC), through Toyota Technocraft Co., Ltd. TRD. (TRD)
Participating cars models will be the Supra (GT500 class), powered by a 5.2-liter naturally aspirated V8 engine (3UZ-FE), and the MR-S and Celica (GT300 class), powered by a 2.0-liter turbo-charged engine (3S-GTE).
The new 5.2-liter V8, based on the 4.3-liter V8 engine (3UZ-FE) available on the Celsior and other commercially sold models, was developed in pursuit of creating an engine of high performance, yet light, compact and with a low center of gravity."

other than that though its all emissions and fuel cell/hybrids.

[boosted_K2]

thats the celsior they were talking about

and engine specs:
Displacement, cc 4292
Engine model 3UZ-FE
Max.power (Net), kw(PS)/rpm 280 ps (205.94 kw) / 5600 rpm
Max.torque(Net), N*m(kg*m)/rpm 43.8 kg*m (429.53 N*m) / 3400 rpm
Power density 6.57
Engine type V type 8 cylinder DOHC
Engine information VVT-i
Fuel system EFI (electronic fuel injection)
Turbocharger No
Fuel type Unleaded premium gasoline
LEV system (Low emission vehicle) Yes
Compression ratio 10.5
Bore, mm 91
Stroke, mm 82.5
Final gear ratio
Fuel consumption at 10-15 modes, l/100km 12.1
Fuel consumption at 60 km/h, l/100km