Just Another GT-4 Build, We'll skip 10 years of shinangians and just get to the good stuff Options

[qatar11]

Whelp,

Some of you know me, most of you don't... I am trying again... hopefully with less toasty results.


Game On:



























Game On.

This post has been edited by qatar11: Aug 5, 2012 - 9:07 PM

[mkernz22]

mother of god.






can't wait.

[richee3]

I am excite!

[3WayStunna]

This thread is relevent to my interest.....

[rave2n]

It has begun!

[playr158]

looooks like fun!

[markie]

in for this!


ps: loving the work bench: water, gatorade, and a 25lbs box of kitty litter =)

[SwissFerdi]

Props for hitting us with the full amount of porn right away, OP delivers. Good luck on the project.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Aug 6, 2012 - 1:15 PM

[richee3]

Will this be a street driven car or something different?

[czwalga]

What's your plan for the AWD?

[qatar11]

Will this be a street driven car or something different?

Its going to start our as a daily driver... I'm thinking of pulling a Steve and doing Rally America but I'd like to enjoy it daily for a few years.

[czwalga]

Will this be a street driven car or something different?

Its going to start our as a daily driver... I'm thinking of pulling a Steve and doing Rally America but I'd like to enjoy it daily for a few years.

Ohh F that.... rally all the way haha. Once you do it street vehicles are boring. Even though I was in korea for 5 weeks, i've still probably put less than 100 miles on my rx7 this summer. I need to fix some cosmetic issues on it this winter and sell it.

[qatar11]

Will this be a street driven car or something different?

Its going to start our as a daily driver... I'm thinking of pulling a Steve and doing Rally America but I'd like to enjoy it daily for a few years.

Ohh F that.... rally all the way haha. Once you do it street vehicles are boring. Even though I was in korea for 5 weeks, i've still probably put less than 100 miles on my rx7 this summer. I need to fix some cosmetic issues on it this winter and sell it.

Haha - I would but I have a Race Car for the 24 Hours of Lemons.. and I am thinking of promoting myself to NASA.... 2 Race cars is going to be a tough sell (especially when one is Endurance Racing).. if I get bored with Endurance racing or I inadvertantly turn it into a ball of steel, I might move my timeline up.

[qatar11]

So... Purple Power is some amazing stuff....




I have both the 1999 GT Harness and the 1994? GT-FOUR Harness in the basement and I am going to start to understand what the differences are.

[Stambo]

can't wait i should be joining the gt4 conversion crowd very soon also.

[enderswift]

can't wait i should be joining the gt4 conversion crowd very soon also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfslY_AvhLw

[qatar11]

Sorry for the long hiatus.... some updates

Using the old 3SGTE block from the fire - I installed the trans:





With the trans in place, I moved the mess back into the garage:



In a rare bit of clarvoyance, I saved the tunnel from my imported GT4 and I am going to use the OE mounts for the center drive shaft:









This post has been edited by qatar11: Sep 14, 2012 - 8:50 AM

[qatar11]

Not very exciting... drilled out the welds without trashing the mounts:

[czwalga]

Word of advice, if you have to remove that crap again... use an angle grinder vs. a drill. The angle grinder wire wheels work in less than half the time.

[qatar11]

Word of advice, if you have to remove that crap again... use an angle grinder vs. a drill. The angle grinder wire wheels work in less than half the time.

I'll be doing that again when i clean up the area under the car before I weld... will do.

[qatar11]

Why... Hello there:




Stamped mounts cleaned up, test fitted, ready for tack welding and proper welding which will happen tomorrow..

[SwissFerdi]

Impressive.

[qatar11]

Teasers:









I was surprised how flammable the sound deadening was and how much it affected the ability to weld... we ended up getting an area hot and just scraping the goo off with a flat blade... carpet has been removed... black carpet is waiting in the wings.

[Ted95]

coming along nicely!

[qatar11]

Here is some underbody work...

The welds might not look very pretty but considering the work space and area welded, they will do just fine.






First coat of POR-15



I am very excited that I had the original drive shaft mounts - this came out very well.

This post has been edited by qatar11: Oct 12, 2012 - 1:14 PM

[richee3]

Looking good! It's coming along pretty quickly.

[czwalga]

Looks good. Probably a lot easier than what I did, having to make the mounts. Wish I was able to get my hands on the tunnel piece you had.

I've been busy... working on my trailer, took the deck off and POR15'd the underside. The trailer was a rusty mess, the entire deck was flaking. I also built a giant compartment under the deck, to keep spare parts in.

I might have to do another rally car. A friend rolled his last month out near seattle. Neon SRT4 with about 350 HP. For a 2wd rally car it's a beast.

[playr158]

nice work with the oem mounts!!!

[qatar11]

Not very exciting... been busy with gradschool but here are a few snaps:







I sprayed a bunch of rear end parts after prepping and sealing with POR15 should have those up soon.

[njccmd2002]

amazing, build, good luck, about the welds, just put a lot of por and undercoating, and nobody will see them.

[czwalga]

You going to sno*drift this year?

[qatar11]

I am - my Cabin is right down the street from one of the spectator sections. I am hoping to have the car done so I can zip around town in style... need to crash the impromptu Subaru convention with a Celica

[czwalga]

I am - my Cabin is right down the street from one of the spectator sections. I am hoping to have the car done so I can zip around town in style... need to crash the impromptu Subaru convention with a Celica

Would you and maybe a buddy or two have any interest in crewing for me? Not positive as of right now but it may just be me and my dad making the trip up.

[qatar11]

Since its effen miserable out side... time to move inside for a while:

The plan is to start with the ST204 Harness on the cabin end and the ST205 harness on the Power End and meet somewhere in the middle... these harness share more connectors and connector locations than not. So, it appears this plan is far less intrusive then hacking the harness and extended the whole thing 40". The most interesting thing so far is blending OBD and Lambda Sensor stuff - that will be the worst I think...





This post has been edited by qatar11: Dec 2, 2012 - 4:30 PM

[qatar11]

Things are far more civilized at this point, next steps are to verify every conductor on every connector, label, tape, ??? , profit!!!

[equinox92]

Made an account here just to pick your brain!

I live in Waterford, and am going to school in Kalamazoo, so not far from you at all. I was reading a bit of your blog and actually have seen one of your(?) Celicas at LeMons.

My dad and i have built cars before, first one being my first car which was a 93 Mazda MX-3 with a JDM KLZE and Lantis Type R LSD trans, in case you know anything about them (doubt it). Right now i have a 98 Impreza RS with a full JDM STi swap from a clip. Anyways, i could go on forever..

Why i want to pick your brain:

My dad and i want to build an ST202 into basically a GT-Four, but can't find much info on the project as far as what welding and fab work needs to be done. Read through everything and it looks like you're welding in the driveshaft mounts, and was curious as to what other fab work needs to be done to make a GT-Four driveline (or just an AWD drivetrain) work in the Celica's we got in the US. I haven't had much experience welding (Subaru stuff likes to bolt right in) but have done my fair share of wiring (I'm actually a CE/EE student) and swapping before, and the welding is the only thing holding me back from picking up a Celica and importing a GT-Four cut in half.

I guess to shorten it: On a scale of 1-10, how hard is the driveline to stuff in the car. Looks like you've done this sort of thing a few times haha

Awesome build, i'd love to check it out sometime!

[qatar11]

Hey!

I'll go from the top and just answer away....

Are you going to Western? I have fond memories of partying there during my lax years. I am familiar with the KLZE - I had friend putting that into the older Mazda 6. The 98 Impreza RS sounds like hotness...


So I haven't done any of the hard work yet... I harvested the drive shaft mounts from the front 1/2 of a ST205 clip. Those were easy enough to weld into place as the underside of the car is the same between the ST204 and the ST205... Things get really interesting in the back the sheet metal and structure is completely different.

There are two builds I followed on here who have done successful swaps Steve (look for the rally build) and the other escapes me... anyway... the way the four mounting points of the rear subframe are your points of interest... I plan on using the rear shocks, trailing arm, and drive shaft to locate the rear differential and create mounting blocks... the rear most mounts seem line up with the frame rails in the unibody and won't be a problem... the real bitch will be the other two mounts which fall basically under the rear seats... the sheet metal is very thin there and some kind of support system will be needed here... Steve was able to get around this because he built support for those mount locations into his roll cage....

Anyway... hit me up anytime mjcoury@gmail.com when its gets warmer - you are more then welcome to come out and check out the build and the Lemons car!

[blackliftback]

Are you going with a fuel cell or just modify your spare tire well to fit your oem gas tank/ or gt4 gas tank?

[qatar11]

Are you going with a fuel cell or just modify your spare tire well to fit your oem gas tank/ or gt4 gas tank?

I will be going with an FIA rated fuel cell... probably 10 or 15 gallons... depending on the real estate left over. I had the GT4 OE tank but trying to get that to fit behind sub frame without basically removing all of the trunk floor sheet metal was a bit of a non-starter.

This post has been edited by qatar11: Jan 11, 2013 - 5:47 PM

[blackliftback]

Why not jus delete spare tire and cut the trunk out?

[qatar11]

Why not jus delete spare tire and cut the trunk out?

The spare tire is getting cut out to make room for the fuel cell... the problem with trying to use the OE tank is that all of the OE mounting points are missing and the entire trunk in the ST205 is at least 4-8" shallower than the ST204.... instead of cutting out the entire trunk pan... I am only going to cut out the footprint of the fuel cell.

[IllIllIll]

Looking forward to seeing some progress on this conversion. I've been keeping up on the rally car build as well. I am in the process of swapping a 3sgte in my car. I have gt4 rear suspension & differential setup in the attic. Just need to get a trans with the front diff & drive shaft, & I will be joining the GT4 conversion club. Love to see how you get everything in the back together.

Your work is looking good so far. Keep on with the build.

[qatar11]

For, lo, the winter is past,
The rain is over and gone;
The flowers appear on the earth;
The time of the singing of birds is come,
And the voice of the turtle is heard in our land.

That has some special meaning for us Detroiters... it also means that the weather has finally broke!

I bought a new rear end setup. The stuff I bought from the UK was completely rusted and f'nasty:



You can seen some of the new gear here:



In other news... got the fuel tank and the rear end out:







I created camera rig to help visualize where the new suspension lands with respect to the original suspension... it will be interesting to see if it worked... won't be able to try this for a few days though.

This post has been edited by qatar11: Mar 30, 2013 - 1:12 PM

[Malek]

I am watching this thread like a hawk.

My AWD conversion will start this summer..
In fact, if you get dimensions of your mounts or able to reproduce them. Please let us know haha
No sense in repeating tedious work.

[presure2]

I am watching this thread like a hawk.

My AWD conversion will start this summer..
In fact, if you get dimensions of your mounts or able to reproduce them. Please let us know haha
No sense in repeating tedious work.

theres already a guy selling the rear subframe mounts, and custom fuel cells in the F/S section, just FYI.

[Malek]

I am watching this thread like a hawk.

My AWD conversion will start this summer..
In fact, if you get dimensions of your mounts or able to reproduce them. Please let us know haha
No sense in repeating tedious work.

theres already a guy selling the rear subframe mounts, and custom fuel cells in the F/S section, just FYI.

Yeah, I bumped his thread back in February and PMd him multiple times. He (jmeyer) hasn't been on in almost a year..

[qatar11]

I am not going to get into a discussion about the qualifications of selling homemade fuel cells but there is only one flavor of fuel cell I am interested in: Fuel Safe or equiv.

This post has been edited by qatar11: Apr 1, 2013 - 5:43 PM

[DEATH]

Holy $hit Mike - great to see you back working on a real project! I still got a garage full of parts so LMK if you need something and I'll be watching this thread with interest!

[presure2]

I am not going to get into a discussion about the qualifications of selling homemade fuel cells but there is only one flavor of fuel cell I am interested in: Fuel Safe or equiv.

yea, i would bet that would be your best course of action, i was just pointing out the fact that they were being made.

at any rate, good to see ya still in the game, mike.
even if it is at a snails pace!! LMAO!!!!!!

[qatar11]

at any rate, good to see ya still in the game, mike.
even if it is at a snails pace!! LMAO!!!!!!

Blow me Manny

[qatar11]

Started test fitting the GT-4 bits in the rear... after talking to Steve I was curious how the rear end lined up between the chassis codes... sub question: did the chassis mount for the trailing arm move between the ST204 and ST205.

I used some wire and a camera platform to locate the camera in the same spot for some before and after shots:









So it looks like we are good here!!

Also note the APEXI lowering springs

Holy $hit Mike - great to see you back working on a real project! I still got a garage full of parts so LMK if you need something and I'll be watching this thread with interest!

Wait.... you are still alive?!

[Malek]

Lookin good

That's a pretty cool camera set up

[presure2]

at any rate, good to see ya still in the game, mike.
even if it is at a snails pace!! LMAO!!!!!!

Blow me Manny

lookin good mikey!
diggin the cam setup!

[luka]

nice work! so the rear shocks are pretty much the same between the US GT and GT4?

[qatar11]

nice work! so the rear shocks are pretty much the same between the US GT and GT4?

Well... it certainly looks the same... but the part numbers for all the bits (Shock / Spring / etc) are all unique to the ST205... so I am guessing that the spring rate / shock performance are specifically tuned.

[luka]

nice work! so the rear shocks are pretty much the same between the US GT and GT4?

Well... it certainly looks the same... but the part numbers for all the bits (Shock / Spring / etc) are all unique to the ST205... so I am guessing that the spring rate / shock performance are specifically tuned.

cool thanks.

I had pretty much the same plan as you, probably have to make my own subframe mount.

[qatar11]

Progress comes slowly....

[Malek]

Are you missing the top part of the bushings? Only reason I noticed was because one of mine has the rubber completely ripped off.

#4 in the link

Toyota Parts

[qatar11]

Are you missing the top part of the bushings? Only reason I noticed was because one of mine has the rubber completely ripped off.

#4 in the link

Toyota Parts

I think I have all the bits... just not on the subframe at the moment.

[qatar11]

Weather has been sick in MI the past two weeks... so progress has been made:




I have a problem with fitment at the moment... the propeller / drive shaft is going past the connection point to the rear diff as if the rear diff is about 1/2" too far forward... not sure what to make of it yet...






Obligatory spare tire space delete upgrade (adds lightness)



I thought maybe the spare tire sheetmetal was getting in the way but that was not the culprit...

This post has been edited by qatar11: May 7, 2013 - 8:07 PM

[Malek]

I swear I'm not stalking your thread

But I got a tip from czwalga that if you use the gt4 arms, it moves the subframe up 1/2".

Try the GT arms?

[qatar11]

I swear I'm not stalking your thread

But I got a tip from czwalga that if you use the gt4 arms, it moves the subframe up 1/2".

Try the GT arms?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqQ99s4Ywnw

This post has been edited by qatar11: May 7, 2013 - 8:16 PM

[blackliftback]

Lol love the vid hahahahah... Keep up the good work

[qatar11]

As hinted by Malek (What is your name, anyway?) Steve (czwalga) had a similar problem with fitment. Between making his own drive shaft mounts and using the GT trailing arms which are longer, he is able to make it all fit. I have reached out to a few local shops that can shorten the drive shaft a scoush. Hopefully I can get some precise measurements over the weekend and get that going on Monday.

[czwalga]

As hinted by Malek (What is your name, anyway?) Steve (czwalga) had a similar problem with fitment. Between making his own drive shaft mounts and using the GT trailing arms which are longer, he is able to make it all fit. I have reached out to a few local shops that can shorten the drive shaft a scoush. Hopefully I can get some precise measurements over the weekend and get that going on Monday.

FYI I did not use GT trailing arms. I did use the GT4 arms.



My suggestion is unbolt the driveshaft. Just get the first part that goes into the transmission and take a rubber mallet and see if you can pound it in any further.

[Malek]

My name is actually Malek
If pounding the small end doesn't work, you weren't planning on cutting the center and having it rewelded were you? I'm not sure if there many more options but I really don't want to do that on mine haha

[qatar11]

Whelp... there is more room that the drive shaft can go into the trans, ~ 17 mm or so... and that's with the slots on the mount fully consumed... However I think that is by design so you can remove this part of the drive shaft without disrupting the entire drive line for Trans work, etc....




However, I cannot buy that I missed locating the drive shaft mounts that much - especially since they are formed to the sheet metal of the car - they just would not have laid down well enough to weld in the wrong location.


So as my old middle school wood shop teacher used to say, "Measure twice and cut once" - I put the wheel on to see how it looked in the wheel well and... all I can say is no mi gusta:



I think I am going to back away from the drive shaft shortening idea and return to the trailing arm length conspiracy theories - I, of course, busted the bolt trying to harvest my GT ones so I think its a trip to car-parts.com.

I wouldn't wish working on a 15+ year old midwestern car on my worstest of enemies (Ya that's right - worstest)

This post has been edited by qatar11: May 11, 2013 - 3:11 PM

[czwalga]

Mike,

Keep in mind that there is 3 unibody sections. Front is the same between GT4/GT. The middle and rear sections of the unibody are not the same, so where you welded the mounts may not be the same location on the gt4, even if it did seem to fit into place.

[Special_Edy]

Its says in the specs for the GT4 that the european models have a 5mm longer wheelbase - http://gtfours.co.uk/stuff/facts/205/facts.htm

This post has been edited by Special_Edy: May 13, 2013 - 7:37 AM

[qatar11]

Keep in mind that there is 3 unibody sections. Front is the same between GT4/GT. The middle and rear sections of the unibody are not the same, so where you welded the mounts may not be the same location on the gt4, even if it did seem to fit into place.

This is true... but what is forcing the rear subfram so far forward is the trailing arms.. and I think that is just the fact that, as you said, the unibody in the back is not the same. I am going to try to get some GT arms and see what that does for the position. I am also entertaining the idea of using turnbuckles here.

Its says in the specs for the GT4 that the european models have a 5mm longer wheelbase - http://gtfours.co.uk/stuff/facts/205/facts.htm

This is interesting but I think i need to move the subframe back inches... not millimeters.... but you'd be surprised how much a few mm maters


Also... its absolutely criminal that these are buried under the intercooler


This post has been edited by qatar11: May 13, 2013 - 8:49 AM

[Malek]

Before you spring into GT arms, let me compare mine. I have both the GT and GT4 arms. I'll see how much of a difference there is.

Idk about you, but I hate buying something when it ends up not working haha

You're complaining about the spark plugs under the intercooler? Don't ever get a Subaru

[czwalga]

I've done the measurement between the GT4 and GT trailing arms. Remember to measure hole to hole, not the length of the arm itself. I think the arm lengths are similar, but the holes are in slightly different locations. It's been a while so I cant remember.


The CV joint can move in and out a little, so that can account for some of the slop. You really dont need much to seperate it. 1/4" at most. In all of my rwd cars, the driveshaft fits pretty damn tight with the rear differential. Kinda similar in this case as well after I made the mounts.

You really want to slide the driveshaft over the tailshaft of the transmission as much as possible as there's more spline engagement. Although we're talking relatively low HP here so it probably will be near the bottom of the list of things to fail.

This post has been edited by czwalga: May 13, 2013 - 2:17 PM

[qatar11]

I've done the measurement between the GT4 and GT trailing arms. Remember to measure hole to hole, not the length of the arm itself. I think the arm lengths are similar, but the holes are in slightly different locations. It's been a while so I cant remember.


The CV joint can move in and out a little, so that can account for some of the slop. You really dont need much to seperate it. 1/4" at most. In all of my rwd cars, the driveshaft fits pretty damn tight with the rear differential. Kinda similar in this case as well after I made the mounts.

You really want to slide the driveshaft over the tailshaft of the transmission as much as possible as there's more spline engagement. Although we're talking relatively low HP here so it probably will be near the bottom of the list of things to fail.

You know what is a concern of mine right now is the wheel location in the wheel well - it is well forward... I took the spring off so i could compress the strut and see where the wheel lands at a more realistic height. If the wheel lands in a good spot - I can maybe elongate the center drive shaft mount holes and just eat up some of the difference in the trans....

[qatar11]

What the hell is the point of a gasket overhaul kit if you do not include all the gaskets?! ZOMGWTFBBQCHUCKNORRIS
...
<pulls hair out>
...
<orders **** from England>
...

[celica95-95]

I have been looking at the diff with st202 vs st205 to make AWD ,

i seen u have the rear clip as well!

Did u change frame rails in the rear ? as well did it come with gas tank?

I think the frame rails in the rear need to be change to line up your rear sub-frame

[qatar11]

I have been looking at the diff with st202 vs st205 to make AWD ,
I seen u have the rear clip as well!
Did u change frame rails in the rear ? as well did it come with gas tank?
I think the frame rails in the rear need to be change to line up your rear sub-frame

All will be answered soon!

[czwalga]

I have been looking at the diff with st202 vs st205 to make AWD ,

i seen u have the rear clip as well!

Did u change frame rails in the rear ? as well did it come with gas tank?

I think the frame rails in the rear need to be change to line up your rear sub-frame

GT4 gas tank is useless for a st202.

[celica95-95]

really ! so what did u have to use ?

could you not drill out trunk floor and use that with the frame rail ? would equal a factory like swap ?
or is the body diff as well in the middle ?

when u change yours to AWD did u just cut car and weld ? from roof to rear bumper ?

This post has been edited by celica95-95: May 15, 2013 - 2:21 PM

[czwalga]

really ! so what did u have to use ?

could you not drill out trunk floor and use that with the frame rail ? would equal a factory like swap ?
or is the body diff as well in the middle ?

when u change yours to AWD did u just cut car and weld ? from roof to rear bumper ?

I cut the spare tire well out and it still fit like ****... The entire floor of the ST202 is lower, not to mention the fact that the filler tube would have to be some kind of custom setup. Much cheaper to just make your own.


I have a FIA fuel cell, which is pricey, but only because its required for rally. You could do a cheap fuel cell setup built to specifications that fit the space you're working with. Without replacing the back 2/3rds of the shell nothing you could do to make it a factory swap. Somethings are going to have to custom. There's different options on how to get there, but nothing will be like factory.

[celica95-95]

good to know !

so getting a rear clip is not the best pick to go AWD ?

what about the rear sub frame to line your's did you drill new holes

This post has been edited by celica95-95: May 15, 2013 - 3:00 PM

[czwalga]

good to know !

so getting a rear clip is not the best pick to go AWD ?

The clip may help just cause you have more in case you decide to do something different. All i had was all the critical mechanical parts, made everything else.


The car isn't like legos, whatever you decide its going to take some custom fab.

[celica95-95]

yea i was just hopping toyota didn't change the frame that much i could do it more like factory , but the info is good !!
I don't mine doing custom work, but is more now $$

[mkernz22]

Looking good so far, hope you get it all worked out!

As for celica95-95, you live in toronto...why didn't you just buy a GT4?

This post has been edited by mkernz22: May 15, 2013 - 3:17 PM

[celica95-95]

dont what RHD

[mkernz22]

dont what RHD

I feel like a LHD swap would be much easier than an AWD swap

[celica95-95]

yea was thinking thats as well

still work either way

This post has been edited by celica95-95: May 15, 2013 - 4:38 PM

[qatar11]

dont what RHD

I feel like a LHD swap would be much easier than an AWD swap

You forgot the VIN swap.. which, I think, is a Federal offense

This post has been edited by qatar11: May 16, 2013 - 11:41 AM

[qatar11]

Sew.... As I sort out the adjustable length trailing rods and I wait for a gasket from the UK, I turn to the steering rack:







Today I learned that the ST204 steering rack (at least the USDM one) is significantly smaller then its ST205 (JDM) counterpart. So the immediate options that spring to mind are longer inner tie rods from God-Knows-Where or a LHD ST205 steering rack... which should be a little like hunting for a unicorn...



I shoulda bought a STi


Also, I found out my spare GT steering rack (pictured) is all jacked up (see input from steering wheel) - so thanks a lot to the jack-hole I bought it from on here (whose name escapes me)

This post has been edited by qatar11: Jun 5, 2013 - 9:19 PM

[qatar11]

I wonder if I can just flip it around....

[playr158]

Mounting is different between Kframe for RHD and LHD steering racks.
For my RHD conversion i used RHD K frame, RHD rack and pinion, mcpherson inner and outter tie rods
and flipping it won't work cause the column to rack mount is offset on the system.

are you staying LHD and using SS suspension?
I would just keep the mcpherson stuff.....sooooo much easier

[qatar11]

Mounting is different between Kframe for RHD and LHD steering racks.
For my RHD conversion i used RHD K frame, RHD rack and pinion, mcpherson inner and outter tie rods
and flipping it won't work cause the column to rack mount is offset on the system.

are you staying LHD and using SS suspension?
I would just keep the mcpherson stuff.....sooooo much easier

What do you mean "mounting is different" ?

Are you saying the rack is not centered on the subframe?

Also - I am staying LHD and SS Suspension because I have some nice suspension bits I want to use...

This post has been edited by qatar11: Jun 6, 2013 - 9:41 AM

[czwalga]

Mike are you guys doing Lemons at hyperfest in WV? next weekend? Still debating if i'm going down or not.

[Smaay]

awesome build up man! im enjoying the pics

[BonzaiCelica]

a rhd subframe has different mounting points for steering rack.

[qatar11]

Mike are you guys doing Lemons at hyperfest in WV? next weekend? Still debating if i'm going down or not.

Nah - the Lemons car is under a tarp until the GT-FOUR is done. Race car will be re-started over the weekend - the cage rules have matured and on top of the blown engine I have to update the cage.

[qatar11]

a rhd subframe has different mounting points for steering rack.

Bonzai -

This is not true according to the EPC

51201-20310

02/1994-07/1995 ST205L-BLMVZW TBO4W, EUR, LB, LHD, 3SGTE, MTM 51-02
02/1994-07/1995 ST205R-BLMVZW TBO4W, EUR, LB, RHD, 3SGTE, MTM 51-02


I did, however, confirm that the Cross Member Sub Assembly is different between the ST204 and the ST205 - most notably where the steering rack is mounted... which might explain all the pain getting the AWD trans into my car... Seeeew At the risk of changing the angle in which the rack and tie-rods operate, I think the working plan will be to flip the steering rack around / find a LHD GT-FOUR steering rack.

This post has been edited by qatar11: Jun 7, 2013 - 7:35 PM

[qatar11]

flipping the steering rack doesn't work - the input to the rack points the wrong way - obviously... So it looks like I have 3 options remaining...

Buy a LHD steering rack from Toyota new (price coming)
Find inner tie rods that are a little longer than SS inner tie rods
Ditch the SS suspension

Ditching the SS suspension is fine... except now I don't have off the shelf solutions for suspension and I have to figure out how to mount the calipers...

[njccmd2002]

Find inner tie rods that are a little longer than SS inner tie rods

why not use sleeves like old celicas do...

[qatar11]

Find inner tie rods that are a little longer than SS inner tie rods

why not use sleeves like old celicas do...

Maybe? Will have to look into it.

[qatar11]

She's cleans up nice...






PSA of the day:

When using compressed air to removed seized caliper pistons, do not point the caliper towards your car window. Luckily it bounced off some other soft metals before making it to the windshield... all is well. So i plug the holes with some cork gasket and I (after the first 2) fire the piston into a cardboard box - which flies across the garage... Good stuff...



WRT: the rack. After lots and lots and lots of internet research - it turns out the refurb people in Europe have the same internal part number for the ST18X as the ST205... Soooo I have one of those coming (should be here tomorrow) Fingers crossed..

This post has been edited by qatar11: Jun 10, 2013 - 8:53 PM