Conversion: 100 to 114, Questions (REAR) Options

[smkr3w]

Alright, so my passenger side rear hub seems to be 'bent' or at least it's not centered correctly. And I was looking to replace them with my friends assistance but have an itch to address.

In the discussion of this thread HERE. It was said that the xv10 Camry's rear hub/bearing assembly can bolt onto the Celica's rear; which would mean the rotors would have to be re-drilled to 5x114 to mate with the new hub. Correct?

On eBay:
94-99 Celica Rear Hub/Bearing Assembly- $230
91-96 Camry Rear Hub/Bearing Assembly- $66

I figured since the price difference is relatively large. Than I should go the conversion route
Then I wondered if I can buy rotors for a xv10 Camry, would they fit the stock brake caliper?

Upon searching I found this info (unconfirmed):
--------------------------------- 94-99 Celica -------- 91-96 Camry -----
Outside Diameter:-------------- 269mm ----------------- 269mm ---------
-------------Height:------------ 64.6mm ---------------- 64.9mm --------
---------Nom Thick:------------ 8.9mm ----------------- 10mm ----------
----------Min Thick:------------- 8mm --------------------- 9mm -----------
-------Bolt Pattern:------------ 5x100 ------------------- 5x114 ----------

So with such a small difference in Thickness, while still having the same overall Diameter, Would it be possible to utilize the Camry's rear rotor as well?

Can anyone weigh in here?? I really need to fix my rear, because sounding like a wooden rollercoaster is getting old

This post has been edited by smkr3w: Aug 24, 2012 - 6:40 PM

[Syaoran]

Personally I would drill the Celica rotors. Machine shop shouldn't charge you much for it. I would do so mainly because the caliper would have to "bite" further in for the pads to grab onto the rotor.

If it's not a concern however then the camry rotors would be the best, and next up would be a front hub conversion with Rav4 hubs and camry rotors I believe.


A thing to check is if the rear Camry rotors have the e-brake shoes in the same location as the Celica.

[smkr3w]

Nice! The fronts will come later.. I just need to fix the rears ASAP. So I figured if its cheaper to convert, why not kill two birds with one stone

[delusionz]

5x114 would be awesome for wheel fitment options

[playr158]

Sorry but the argument syaoran makes is worthless...youd go with celica rotors cause the caliper would have to bite?

The rotor thickness difference is basically given up in pad wear...
Thats not the issue

The rotor hat spacing and offset are what make the rotor usable or unusable..

[smkr3w]

Thanks. Either way this is why I'm posting.. so I can know, before I spend money on something I can't use.

Still, redrill and camry hubs is cheaper than replacing with celica ones.
Plus 5x114 wheel options!

[yellowchinaman]

hold up! Are we forgetting that if you change your bolt pattern then your disk wont fit as well?

[smkr3w]

hold up! Are we forgetting that if you change your bolt pattern then your disk wont fit as well?

Not sure I understand? You mean the brake discs? Those will be taken to a machine shop to re-drilled to fit 5x114. We're talking rears here..

In the thread I linked above its been discussed that the front can be swapped with Rav4 hub and Camry discs for direct bolt. but that is for later, I'm focusing on the rears for the time being.

[Syaoran]

I'm assuming you have universal wheels right? 5x100/5x114.3

[smkr3w]

I'm assuming you have universal wheels right? 5x100/5x114.3

Bingo

[Syaoran]

I'm assuming you have universal wheels right? 5x100/5x114.3

Bingo

I was about to do it on mine but I decided it was easier and simpler to just press out and in a new bearing. Cost me $20 to have it done by my mechanic. Had to cut off a piece that got stuck to the hub thanks to the heat produced by the grinding bearings. Pressed the hub back in and impacted a new axle nut to the back. All is good.

[smkr3w]

Got a Rear Camry Rotor today, so I can find out for myself whether or not I can make the rear hub conversion bolt on instead of needing some machining.

Main reason for this is because I checked with a local machine shop, and they want $35 PER ROTOR to re-drill and bore from 5x100 / 54.1 to 5x114 / 60.1 to fit the Camry hub. So that'd be $70 for just re-drilling my old rotors, the Camry rotor that I just received only cost me $20 shipped..

I will be ordering the rear hubs soon regardless of the outcome.. It'll all be worth it for wheel selection

This post has been edited by smkr3w: Aug 31, 2012 - 3:01 AM

[ST204R]

Did this go ahead? And if so did your celica handbrake setup work with the camry disc?

I'm looking at doing the same thing so I can swap my rear brakes to camry and front brakes over to the 2008 highlander front brakes for a big cheap upgrade.

Cheers

This post has been edited by ST204R: Oct 4, 2012 - 7:05 AM

[smkr3w]

The rotor hat spacing and offset are what make the rotor usable or unusable..

This was my biggest concern, and the reason why I only bought one rotor to test.
anyway.......
SUCCESS!

Stock CELICA rear hub/bearing assy. top
Replacement CAMRY rear hub/bearing assy. bottom


..And CAMRY rear ROTOR, fits like a glove!


So bottom line-
A BOLT ON REAR 5x114 CAMRY CONVERSION IS POSSIBLE

So why do this conversion?
-Wheel Options!
-Cheaper than Celica Replacement Parts

[richee3]

Great find!

[njccmd2002]

so front hubs and back hubs do interchange... great find.

[Syaoran]

Wow someone sticky this!!!

Rav4 Front Hubs/Camry front rotors and Camry Rear Hubs and Rotors for a full 5x114.3 conversion? Awesome!!

[njccmd2002]

but with the FRS now in the market

the 5 x 100 wheel selection will be better

[frotou]

5x114.3 wheel selection is awesome !!!!!!!! + used selection also .

Let's do the front !!

[smkr3w]

^ another member here has already done so using a Rav4 front hub and camry discs! CLICK HERE

[ILoveMySilly97]

I'm so tired of searching for good fitment wheels for our 5x100 pattern. So can someone and if possible smkrew. Can you give a full detail on what you need to buy? Like a shopping list preferably?

From what I read is:

Front:
sxa11 rav4 front hub X2
xv10 camry front rotor X2

Rear:
xv10 camry rear rotor X2
xv10 camry rear hub X2

^^^I'm guessing it'll be the same generation Camry as for the fronts right? Also were there any modifications or were these all bolt on? Besides the need to press the front. from dan0004's post he listed "wheel bearing kit". I'm wandering if he meant you have to buy new bearings in order for the rav4 hub to fit or is he just recommending to change the bearing while you're there already? Meaning the Celica and RAV4 wheel bearing are interchangeable? Please shine more detailed and straight forward information. Sorry for asking so much but I just want a single post that has everything together instead of scrolling down and having someone say it won't work then it works then yadda yadda. Confusion. Lol.

[smkr3w]

Front:
sxa11 rav4 front hub X2 CHECK
xv10 camry front rotor X2 CHECK

Rear:
xv10 camry rear rotor X2 CHECK
xv10 camry rear hub X2 CHECK

I'm guessing it'll be the same generation Camry as for the fronts right? CHECK

Also were there any modifications or were these all bolt on? BOLT ON

I'm wondering if he meant you have to buy new bearings in order for the rav4 hub to fit or is he just recommending to change the bearing while you're there already? WHEN THE HUB GETS PRESSED OUT IT WILL USUALLY TAKE THE BEARING WITH IT AND IT'S SLIGHTLY FUSED, SO ITS MORE OR LESS REQUIRED

Meaning the Celica and RAV4 wheel bearing are interchangeable? FROM WHAT RESEARCH I'VE DONE YES THEY ARE

[ILoveMySilly97]

Aight. Thanks! Now that I know what parts to get. I got a estimated price for parts. Going to be already 500-600. Will be adding this to my to do list.

STICKY THIS BTW ADMIN!

[ILoveMySilly97]

I got one last question. Hows the center bores? Are they going to be changed along with the conversion also? I looked up and the camry centerbores are 60.1 and the rav4 are 67.1?

At least that's according to this chart: http://lugpattern.net/Toyota_Bolt_Patterns2.htm

[smkr3w]

I got one last question. Hows the center bores? Are they going to be changed along with the conversion also? I looked up and the camry centerbores are 60.1 and the rav4 are 67.1?

At least that's according to this chart: http://lugpattern.net/Toyota_Bolt_Patterns2.htm

Rav4 is 60.1

I had wondered that when i did my.research.. Some say 67.1 but it is 60.1

[ILoveMySilly97]

Aight. Thanks.

[jeffrosie]

Just wondering, why can't we just use the Camry front hubs?
Both the Camry and Celica use the same outer CV joints - so should fit.
Hubs are Similar too.

[ILoveMySilly97]

Just wondering, why can't we just use the Camry front hubs?
Both the Camry and Celica use the same outer CV joints - so should fit.
Hubs are Similar too.

Honestly. I wouldn't doubt it if it does. Its just that no one has tried/tested it yet.

[jeffrosie]

Looking from online pics - the mac suspension hubs look identical.


gotta remember to get 114 spare wheel too!!!
haha

[ILoveMySilly97]

Looking from online pics - the mac suspension hubs look identical.


gotta remember to get 114 spare wheel too!!!
haha

That's exactly what I'm doing. Lol. Trying to collect at least around 2k for the whole conversions plus wheels and tires.

[ILoveMySilly97]

UPDATE: I did the conversion and the only issue I had was the thickness of the rotors were a bit thicker so it was rubbing for a bit but after driving it around. It shaved down. Also another issue I had was that I bought the i4 camry rotors and the diameter of the if it was slightly smaller than the stock celica GT front rotor. So atm I am running on the camry front rotor and it's still grabbing but it was cause unever wear on brake pads. Since about 1/8" of the pad has no contact on the rotor. I don't know if the v6 camry has a bigger diameter for the front but this is the only issue I had in the process of this conversion.

[njccmd2002]

This is a silly question.

For the front hub. What year camry u used and did u compare with celica. Are they same size. No change in ofsett?

[ILoveMySilly97]

This is a silly question.

For the front hub. What year camry u used and did u compare with celica. Are they same size. No change in ofsett?

Didn't pay too much attention to how off it was but it was really identical. I used the rav4 front hub btw. Not the camry front hub.

[sam2010]

What I dont understand is why anyone hasnt tried any rotors or hubs from a mr2?

I know the hub's off the mr2 are the most similar when it comes to the celica being that the axles are just about the same using the same motor 5sfe or the 3sge



This post has been edited by sam2010: Apr 29, 2014 - 5:52 PM

[mandrek]

GREAT!!!, now you may be able to help, because i have been looking at doing a rear disk convirsion for my ST AND a swap over to 5x114.5..... that being said i have no intent on purchasing parts that i dont need and will be replacing with new parts for the 5x114.5 swap... soooo

if any one can help me, that would be great.. if i am correct for this i would be looking at

camry rear hub, camry rear rotor, gt rear knuckle (or can i keep the ones for the st, but i am thinking that i will need the gt for the caliper mounts..), the plate with the internal parking break drum assembly, and gt caliper (though i am looking into rear caliper "OEM" upgrades like from a rav4/4runner/highlander)

and for the front, looking to do the same.. front to 5x114.5 with "OEM" upgrade... alot to cover, and for the most part already done on this site in one form or another, just not all in the same place or on the same car at once... but i do think it is possible see just as to how many of the OEM parts share the same critical specs (like caliper mounting points and bolts, rotor float offset etc)

fronts look like it will be fairly direct by this point, with the only real aftermarket part/ custom part being the break lines, slotted rotors and aggressive pads (for weekend racing like the EBC or HAWK line)

im sure i am missing some stuff.. but any help would be appreciated...

i now this is a bit of a hijack, if yall want me to start a new thread i will, just a large amount of the relevant data is already here... thank you

[Taz]

This will hardly work with a st205 ?

[playr158]

This will hardly work with a st205 ?

This will work for an ST205, except you need to use a Highlander AWD rear hub

[toyota123]

Looks like a great alternative i may have to try it with the camry front hubs to see if the work or not

This post has been edited by toyota123: Aug 14, 2014 - 10:57 AM

[sam2010]

Looks like a great alternative i may have to try it with the camry front hubs to see if the work or not

let me know how that goes ???? cause im doing the conversion soon but im gonna use custom drilled celica rotors for front and back with camry hubs

[BonzaiCelica]

Does anyone know if ST205 Celica's have gone forward with this 5x114 conversion?

[trdproven]

Old thread but after doing research myself this is what you need for a complete bolt on conversion. It seemed the posts just threw out car models but nothing really exact when you go looking for it. So I hope this helps someone.

FOR 5SFE CELICA GT (7AFE guys, even though originally your front brake rotors are smaller in O.D. this setup works since the fronts use the same wheel bearings, just change everything else. the rear does look like a fit as well) the one thing I am unsure if is how the 7AFE brake calipers look like or if they will fit or be the same. Conversion is the same, calipers is the next question I haven't had time for.

PARTS LIST:

Front
x2 -- 95-2000 2.0L Rav4 5dr Front Wheel Hub and Bearing Assy - Both the Rav4 and Celica share the same bearing (shares with different makes and models actually) so it saves to buy it one shot together if you can - Confirmed Just go to rockauto and click the part number to see what parts share between cars if you want reassurance
x2 -- (If getting the hub and bearing separately, you can get the bearing from this Rav4 or the Celica, doesn't matter.
x2 -- 91-96 XV10 Camry Front Rotor 275mm can be found on the 3.0L listing, be sure because the camry had maybe 3 different rotor diameters. I think there were 288mm, 275mm, and 255mm (which I think is from the 7AFE) so in this case, diameter is important. This might be the reason, the rotor was too small for ilovemysilly97 because there was a smaller size rotor. Rockauto will also list the diameter sizes making it easier for you.

Rear
x2 -- 91-96 XV10 Camry Rear Rotor 269mm can be found from a 2.2L
x2 -- 91-96 XV10 Camry - Complete Rear Wheel Hub and Bearing Assy - becomes complete bolt-on, don't get the module you don't want to piece this part out. Just get the bolt on assembly which includes the bearing, the carrier, and the hub.

Do not just go by the O.D. please continue to read through the whole thread to get an understanding. Again, this is all possible from everyone's input that I've attempted to clarify, fill some missing holes of information, and gain confirmation.


ROTOR COMPARISON: You will notice there has been measurement changes, I got the original celica specs from another post on the forum, however I got actual specs online from Rockauto which is even better for accuracy and comparison and made corrections.

Celica Outer Diameter (Front): 274.828 ~ 275mm (MATCH)
Camry Outer Diameter (Front): 274.828mm considered to be really 275mm (MATCH)
----------
Celica Part Thickness (Front): 28mm < not exactly accurate or complete info but found new info to be 26.0096mm and also 28.067mm which is the (CLOSE MATCH)
Camry Part Thickness (Front): 27.8892mm considered to be really 28mm (CLOSE MATCH)
----------
Celica Height (Front)t: 55mm < actually found new info that it is 49.276 which is (MATCH)
Camry Height (Front): 49.276mm (MATCH)
----------
Celica Outer Diameter (Rear): 268.7 ~ 269mm (MATCH)
Camry Outer Diameter (Rear): 268.859mm considered to be really 269mm (MATCH)
----------
Celica Part Thickness (Rear): 8.9916 ~ 9mm < incorrect original info, I also found new info that it is 10mm (MATCH)
Camry Part Thickness (Rear): 10.033mm Slightly thicker part by 1mm < with new info above (MATCH)
----------
Celica Height (Rear): 55mm < found new info rear rotors are not 55mm rather 64.77mm, 55mm listed originally is incorrect from where I got this on another post (CLOSE MATCH)
Camry Height (Rear): 65.024mm Actually Taller < This is the only difference, however with the new found info of 64.77 it is approximately the same now. (CLOSE MATCH)

NOTE: I'M REALLY GOING TO STRESS THAT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT ALL THESE MEASUREMENTS BEFORE BUYING, I NOTICED DIFFERENT DIAMETERS AND DIFFERENT HEIGHTS, >>>PAY CLOSE ATTENTION<<<.
I AM NOT CONFIDENT ANY LONGER TO SAY GO BY THE OUTER DIAMETER, YOU NEED TO GO BY ALL THE SPECS. BE MINDFUL, IT SEEMS BETWEEN THE BENDIX, WAGNER, AND RAYBESTOS THEY HAVE DIFFERENT SUPPOSED MEASUREMENTS THAT I WAS TO MATCH UP RELATIVELY EXACTLY TO CAMRY ROTORS.
IN A NUTSHELL, THE CAMRY ROTORS ARE CONSIDERED ALMOST IDENTICAL IF NOT EXACT IF YOU USE THESE SPECS.

GLAD TO KNOW 5x114 SWAP IS BOLT-ON, NO MODIFICATION, READY TO GO, PRETTY MUCH IMAGINE ALL YOUR WHEEL BEARINGS GONE BAD AND YOU HAD TO BUY ALL OF THE PARTS, YOU'D HAVE BASICALLY AN AUTOMATIC 5x114 WITHOUT YOU EVEN KNOWING.



This post has been edited by trdproven: May 2, 2016 - 6:05 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

available wheels =

Forged:
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Flow Formed:
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-Circuit Performance CSF 17x8 +35 offset (5x114) weigh 18.1 lbs $850

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-Enkei RPF1 17x8 (also in 5x114) +35 offset weigh 16.1 lbs @ $1300 with center caps (only in Silver finish)

-Wedsport TC105X 17x8 +32 offset weigh 15.4 lbs $2350

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 29, 2025 - 4:23 PM