AWD V6?, Is it possible Options

[Special_Edy]

I know Im not the first to ponder this , but has a 1mz or 2gr ever been mated to a e154?

And then the other important question is will the TRD Supercharger for either engine fit under the hood of a 6gc? (someone go take measurements!)

Let me know what you think...

[richee3]

The S54 and E153 both bolt up to both the 3S-GTE and the 1MZ, so presumably the E154F will bolt up. There might be some modification necessary on the back of the block for the rear trans support.

I believe the 2GR is almost too tall for the engine bay due to the slope of the hood, so the supercharger likely won't fit.

DO IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zfjohnson07]

awd? i thought you were gonna make it fwd

[Tigawoods]

cut a big hole in the hood and show off the supercharger

[dudeofchaos]

cut a big hole in the hood and show off the supercharger

The supercharger comming out of the Gt-Four's hood would look dope! Especially if it could directly come out of the middle vent for the hot air comming from the turbo.

[Box]

cut a big hole in the hood and show off the supercharger

Indeed. Though not quite as impressive as this:

[kurt95gt]

Yes the st205 trans will bolt up but the transfer case an the rear exhaust manifold take up the same basic space
The only way (that I've read ) is to use a Awd trans out of a 5speed Awd rav4 since it has a smaller transfer case

[nics]

This is what's on my mind this past week. I wonder if someone could actually pull it off.

[kurt95gt]

This is what's on my mind this past week. I wonder if someone could actually pull it off.

It's been done in a alltrac
Well minus the s/c

[Special_Edy]

Its the perfect combo.

The amazing torque of 3 or 3.5L v6 plus the booty raping torque from the supercharger would be even more amazing with AWD. I can only imagine how great that would feel to drive, much more practical for everyday driving versus WRC racing with a turbo 4

This post has been edited by Special_Edy: Aug 31, 2012 - 10:03 PM

[zfjohnson07]

if you ever meet special_edy, you'll know he can pull this off... he's real smart when it comes to engine(s) and engine work

[Box]

Find an All-Trac and get to it then.

[czwalga]

If there was one worthwhile under 2.65 liters I would have done it.

Instead I ended up with a 3sge, to stay in open light class.

[delusionz]

Yes the st205 trans will bolt up but the transfer case an the rear exhaust manifold take up the same basic space
The only way (that I've read ) is to use a Awd trans out of a 5speed Awd rav4 since it has a smaller transfer case

so then a couple log manifolds should do it

[ricochet1490]

what if you took a 3.0L v6 and "short stroked" it, with longer rods instead of long stroking it. CR would go up,.... prolly to much to take up .35 L... oh well

[Special_Edy]

If there was one worthwhile under 2.65 liters I would have done it.

Instead I ended up with a 3sge, to stay in open light class.

The 4GR-FSE and 5GR-FE are 2.5L. both are around the 200HP mark
So is the2.5L 2MZ-FE, right at 200 horsepower and all 3 are a V6. Toss the TRD supercharger on it and do a decent engine build and you have a monster.

[Zimluura]

i've been pondering the 2gr-fe + awd for a while now. for a while the lack of viabe ways to get it insured stopped me (would not want your car to get totalled and re-imbursed 4k after 20k of modifications). i think i may be able to get it insured to an agreed upon price with another insurer though.

at the moment, the main thing stopping me is that i don't have a garage (guessing roughly 60k to build one). so i don't have a place to put all the parts i'd want to collect, before i pay my mechanic to do/try it.

don't have a very clear idea of the right way to bolt the rear end up to our floorpan either.

[Special_Edy]

Yes the st205 trans will bolt up but the transfer case an the rear exhaust manifold take up the same basic space
The only way (that I've read ) is to use a Awd trans out of a 5speed Awd rav4 since it has a smaller transfer case

so then a couple log manifolds should do it

Yeah sacrifices may have to be made. The exhaust on a forced induction engine isnt a place to make sacrifices though.

[kurt95gt]

Yes the st205 trans will bolt up but the transfer case an the rear exhaust manifold take up the same basic space
The only way (that I've read ) is to use a Awd trans out of a 5speed Awd rav4 since it has a smaller transfer case

so then a couple log manifolds should do it

No there's no room for the exhaust to be routed with the st205 transfercase
The rav4 case give enough room to run the exhaust without choking the motor

[delusionz]

make new engine mounts that bring the engine upright, make a bulge in the bonnet, modify oil pan and sump pickup

?

[delusionz]

ooh, suppose will need to cut and rotate bell housing to match the rotation


i dont picture it though, 90deg V means the its leaning back an extra 45 degrees more than the 3/5s does, that may or may not be a fair bit,

but i can say for sure there the back of my intake manifold is NOWHERE near my transfer case, it has room to lean back a further 45 degrees for sure

This post has been edited by delusionz: Sep 2, 2012 - 3:13 AM

[kurt95gt]

ooh, suppose will need to cut and rotate bell housing to match the rotation


i dont picture it though, 90deg V means the its leaning back an extra 45 degrees more than the 3/5s does, that may or may not be a fair bit,

but i can say for sure there the back of my intake manifold is NOWHERE near my transfer case, it has room to lean back a further 45 degrees for sure

The intake isn't the problem lol
There's no cutting that has to be done it lines up the same eat the st205 does
An the final drive matchs the st205 so there no issue with the rear diff not matching

There's a write up on celicatech on how it was done

[Special_Edy]

ooh, suppose will need to cut and rotate bell housing to match the rotation


i dont picture it though, 90deg V means the its leaning back an extra 45 degrees more than the 3/5s does, that may or may not be a fair bit,

but i can say for sure there the back of my intake manifold is NOWHERE near my transfer case, it has room to lean back a further 45 degrees for sure

Its a 60° V6 I thought...

[delusionz]

still trying to picture why you cant fit an exhaust manifold back there

i mentioned intake because where your saying the exhaust wont fit is where the intake normally sits, and theres plenty of room down there from what i can see even if that side of the motor is tilted back more

[kurt95gt]

The exhaust manifold (atleast on the 1mz ) sets just higher than the steering rack so its lower then you think
An exists right beside the trans. It's kinda tight even without the transfer case in the mix too

[czwalga]

If there was one worthwhile under 2.65 liters I would have done it.

Instead I ended up with a 3sge, to stay in open light class.

The 4GR-FSE and 5GR-FE are 2.5L. both are around the 200HP mark
So is the2.5L 2MZ-FE, right at 200 horsepower and all 3 are a V6. Toss the TRD supercharger on it and do a decent engine build and you have a monster.

Ehh not really, but they are both more expensive than a BEAMs which has more hp and about the same tq. Also if I put a s/c on it I would be be bumped into the open class with 100k+ cars.

[cjh4l22]

I just want to mention, the one on celicatech was a 5th gen, and it has yet to be completed. I believe it can be found on youtube under "twin turbo v6 awd celica"
I have been looking into this swap myself for quite some time. no final decisions yet but I am thinking 3vz or 1mz

This post has been edited by cjh4l22: Sep 2, 2012 - 9:05 PM

[Special_Edy]

Surely someone somewhere has bolted a toyota v6 to a e154 just because they had both laying around. A 2GR-FE would be an upgrade even on the gt4

[delusionz]

dont know about upgrade, unless forced induction. its got about the same power and torque but weighs twice as much

we already got about 3200lbs dont need any more lol

[Special_Edy]

Actually I think the 1mz weighs something like 50 lbs more and the 2gr weighs 100lbs less than a 3sgte.
Dont quote me on those numbers but weight is not an issue with the swap.

[bloodMoney]

Gouky on mr2oc pioneered the 2gr swap in the SW20 and after talking to him, he mentioned that his car was around 100lbs lighter than stock after the 2gr swap.

After riding in that car, I'm not sure that a FWD 2gr powered car (w/o traction control) is a good idea. I just can't imagine the restraint that is needed to keep from roasting the two (or one) front tires off the rims.

I have both an e153 and several e154f trannys laying around... I may have to start mocking up to get an idea of clearances..... hmmmm

[Special_Edy]

Gouky on mr2oc pioneered the 2gr swap in the SW20 and after talking to him, he mentioned that his car was around 100lbs lighter than stock after the 2gr swap.

After riding in that car, I'm not sure that a FWD 2gr powered car (w/o traction control) is a good idea. I just can't imagine the restraint that is needed to keep from roasting the two (or one) front tires off the rims.

I have both an e153 and several e154f trannys laying around... I may have to start mocking up to get an idea of clearances..... hmmmm

Or you could donate the e154 to me and someone can donate a 2gr to me as well and I can let you all know how it goes

[kurt95gt]

dont know about upgrade, unless forced induction. its got about the same power and torque but weighs twice as much

we already got about 3200lbs dont need any more lol

1mz an 2gr are both lighter than a 3sgte
The 3s block is heavier an to mention all the turbo parts
Plus there's no turbo lag

[Box]

dont know about upgrade, unless forced induction. its got about the same power and torque but weighs twice as much

we already got about 3200lbs dont need any more lol

1mz an 2gr are both lighter than a 3sgte
The 3s block is heavier an to mention all the turbo parts
Plus there's no turbo lag

You could say it's a win win.

[Special_Edy]

The E154 is probably too close a gearbox for a v6 or supercharged v6. With all that torque youd want wider gears

[bloodMoney]

The E154 is probably too close a gearbox for a v6 or supercharged v6. With all that torque youd want wider gears

Exactly.

On that other note.... No.

I will bolt up my 2gr to my e154 and take pictures/notes.

It will just have to wait until the 22nd when I can get back up to my barn.

I was going to wait and try to surprise the board with a 2gr FWD 6g, just to prove fitment, which I may still do... But seeing as how I have all this extra alltrac stuff lying around, I may just go the full monty. I haven't decided yet.

This post has been edited by bloodMoney: Sep 5, 2012 - 3:21 PM

[Special_Edy]

The E154 is probably too close a gearbox for a v6 or supercharged v6. With all that torque youd want wider gears

Exactly.

On that other note.... No.

I will bolt up my 2gr to my e154 and take pictures/notes.

It will just have to wait until the 22nd when I can get back up to my barn.

I was going to wait and try to surprise the board with a 2gr FWD 6g, just to prove fitment, which I may still do... But seeing as how I have all this extra alltrac stuff lying around, I may just go the full monty. I haven't decided yet.

You sir will be a god if you alltrac a 2gr.

[Smaay]

why are you talking about the E154, get the same E153 that comes in the 5 speed camry or solara and go. use the ST205 engine mount and you are golden.

[Special_Edy]

why are you talking about the E154, get the same E153 that comes in the 5 speed camry or solara and go. use the ST205 engine mount and you are golden.

Because the title of the topic is AWD V6. The epicness of AWD + V6 + TRD Supercharger is so much youd go blind if you ever saw one.

[bloodMoney]

why are you talking about the E154, get the same E153 that comes in the 5 speed camry or solara and go. use the ST205 engine mount and you are golden.

I have one of those too... Like I said, I may still do a FWD 2GR just to prove fitment, but I'm going to be spending TONS of money on front tires....

I'm considering skipping all that and going directly to 4WD.

[Smaay]

you guys crack me up sometimes. ok im not going to say its impossible because anything is with enough money. but for a simple bolt in there is no way you are going to get a V6 and an AWD tranny to fit back there. there is no room for the rear header. just like Kurt already explained. the V6 sits rocked way back so the rear bank is really low. the header has very little room because the steering column is right in the way. the way the 3S-GTE gets away with it is because the intake manifold is back there and it wraps around the high way so nothing is in the way of the transfer case. then you come to the issue of the block mating to the trans. you need to do a lot of machine work to the block to get it to clear the transfer case.

[kurt95gt]

That's why I've said the rav4 Awd trans will work its been done
If it'll work on a 1mz it should work on a 2gr
Only down side is you'll need custom front axles
The final drive is the same do the st205 rear diff still work

It had a smaller transfer case I beleave due to space issues on the rav4

[bloodMoney]

Well, the research needs to start somewhere right?

[kurt95gt]

Well, the research needs to start somewhere right?

Yes so get to work lol

[bloodMoney]

Kinda hard with everything being 3 hours from me....

[Nial]

Some stuff you might find useful, interesting.?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixdJFXJcl3E

http://www.tunemytoyota.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7354

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ria4qnVkzqw

http://www.tristatetuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90427