Car quit on the way to work, Car quit Options

[Bigblock]

On my way to work the Celica quit!!
Sputtered 1time.
Lights & radio work.
Starter just whines but doesn't engage.
Getting it towed to the shop but it'll be a festering days b4 it gets checked. I know the owner of the shop so there's no problem with me checking things out.
Ideas???
Thanks

[Fuzzyfo]

hmmm, when my wifes honda civic did the same thing your describing, the timing belt had snapped in half, better check it out, if you kept on trying to turn the car over it might have bent a vavle, good luck man

[Bigblock]

Thanks for the tip!
Crocodile tears if that's the case!!

[Special_Edy]

hmmm, when my wifes honda civic did the same thing your describing, the timing belt had snapped in half, better check it out, if you kept on trying to turn the car over it might have bent a vavle, good luck man

All 6g celica engines are non interference motors so the valves cannot get bent on the pistons if the timing belt does indeed break.

It sounds like you said the engine doesnt turn over, do you think the motor may be seized or do you suspect the starter?

[Bigblock]

Starter doesn't engage, just spins.
Lights & radio were working.

Going 60, it sputtered once, quit.
Tried to restart, starter just spins without engaging the flywheel.
Im in the WTF mode!!

[Bitter]

Timing belt, pry back the cover and look or check the distributor to see if it's turning. If the crank pulley turns but the distributor does not, you know it's a timing belt. Only takes a friend and about 15 minutes to check that.

[Bigblock]

Belts will be checked & so will fuel pump & probably filter.
But why won't the srarter engage the flywheel, or does the motor rotate THAT easy??
Why would it just quit for no apparent reason other than timing belt if that's not the prob??
{ Scratches head like a chimpanzee }

[bsamps4]

Ive got my money on ignition coil. Screw the shop. Diagnose it yourself.

[Bitter]

Yea, with no valves moving to create compression the engine spins very freely. WEEWEEWEEWEEWEE. You can probably turn the crank by hand without any tools if the belts were off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJDOICwT8Vc
Hear how it cranks?


Hurry up and fix it before the spring meet!

This post has been edited by Bitter: Dec 23, 2012 - 4:04 PM

[Bigblock]

Thanks for the link!
Sounds VERY similar to that.
I'll be getting it soon.

[Bigblock]

Ive got my money on ignition coil. Screw the shop. Diagnose it yourself.

I don't have a volt//multi meter.
I'll put it on my list.
Meanwhile, my bud at the shop will give it the " Once over " anyway.
Thanks for the tips guys!!

[mkernz22]

Sounds like the coil. Mine just went on me recently. Car was running and then it sounded like a stalled it. Then it wouldn't restart. I had fuel, air, and compression so it had to be spark. In the end, it was the coil

[Bitter]

If it were just the ignition coil the engine would still crank with compression, not freely as he's describing.

[bloodMoney]

I agree with you Jordan.

Rob, I had a buddy that had a timing belt snap just getting off the highway in his 5s camry. I'd put my $$ with Bitter on this one. Not bad, it can be done in an hour or so. The sucky part is lining up the timing marks, but even that's not too bad....

[Bitter]

It's a great time to replace the oil pump seals as well, they leak like a crazy bitch once they let go and you have to take all your **** apart again to replace them. Same for the water pump...and while the cooling system is drained hoses and thermostat too!

And cam seal.
And distributor shaft seal, wrong end of the engine but it's probably leaking too. Cap and rotor while you're at it.


actually, just drop a 1MZ in there. **** that 5S.

[bsamps4]

Can you send us a video? We are truley here to help, and by doing it yourself you save $ and learn a valuable lesson, and youhave more respect for the awesome car we all own.

[Bigblock]

Sorry I can't post a video.
Here's where Im at so far--
I believe its the timing belt--no compression when tried to restart, no fluid leaks at all.
Had the car 7 yrs & only things done besides tune up & oil changes--
Alternator,radiator, lower rad hose, thermostat, fenders, front bumper cover, passenger side hi-beam, sylvania bulbs. Its at the shop waiting its turn.
Did some searching & with the tips here, will be doing seals & water pump.
Sooo--do the timing belt & tensioners & gaskets come in kits or is everything separately purchased?
I have to go to the shop first thing Monday morning & discuss this with the mechanic.
He has never done anything like this before. I have no time nor all the tools to do it.
I leave for work at 4:15 AM & get home around 7PM.
I know you folks are eager to help-- Words cannot express my humble & heart-felt thanks!!

[Neon90424]

it all comes in a kit, you can search ebay with the keyword 5sfe and its accesories should pop up to give you a better idea on part#s or kits...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyota-2-0-2-2L-3S...7f5&vxp=mtr

This post has been edited by Neon90424: Jan 6, 2013 - 12:06 AM

[Bigblock]

Thanks Neon! !
I'll be editing my info--
1994 hatchback, 1.8 7A 5 speed

[Neon90424]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/93-97-1-8-L-TOYOTA...4d1&vxp=mtr

there you go for 7afe

[Special_Edy]

Why dont you just watch the crankshaft pulley while the engine is cranked, that way you can see if its turning. over. You can also place a stick down the sparkplug tube and watch if it rises and falls with the piston while the motor is cranked.

If the starter spins and the motor doesnt, either the gear on your starter is broken/damaged or the teeth on your flywheel are broken/damaged.
If the car is a manual you can push the car while its in gear(5th is easiest) to see if you can turn it past the broken teeth on the flywheel, if that is the problem.

As was stated above if the crankshaft is spinning, your description could mean the timing belt is indeed broken.
If the timing belt is broken, you will only have compression on two cylinders, the ones stuck on the combustion and compression strokes, and NO compression on the other two cylinders, the ones trapped on the intake and exhaust valve event. Another test would be to remove the valve cover and watch if the camshaft spins while you turn the crankshaft with a 19mm(3/4inch) socket on the crankshaft pulley bolt.


Edit* Its been stated that the motor will turn over incredibly easy with a broken timing belt, but this is not entirely true. As I said two cylinders would be sealed airtight, and will still reach full compression(or vacuum), while the other two will force all compression out of the open valve. You can hear the sound of a broken timing belt, the engine turns over normally but the tone is slightly different. It makes two normal compression noises followed by two abnormal sounds from the open cylinders. The engine will make this loping noise, two on, two off, and anyone mechanically inclined WILL notice the difference in tone. But the engine will still require the majority of the normal force to turn over. You can probably find example videos online so that you can hear the difference, its unmistakeable.



hope this helps

This post has been edited by Special_Edy: Jan 6, 2013 - 7:30 PM

[Bigblock]

Thanks Special_Edy! Will check it in the morning!

[Bigblock]

Got to the shop at 8 this morning. Celica was inside finally Lol!!
So I took in with me the Hayes manual & Big Green Book.
He asked what I had & I told him, he laughed & said its done!!
I'm going on a big hope the waterpump makes it thru the winter!
Picking it up tomorrow, just got home from out of town : )

PS- Timing belt was in 3 pieces!!

[Neon90424]

durr haha glad it was an easy fix buddy

[Bigblock]

durr haha glad it was an easy fix buddy

Amen to that!!