V8 possible? Options

[yellowchinaman]

The problem with our ST205 is that the flat 4 is mounted horizontally.
Ive heard of v6 implants but is it possible to do a V8?
Think about it. Its about the same length as a straight 4, being 4 and 4 cyliners parallel just much wider meaning when mounted sideways, its fuller towards the fire wall and rad.
So if so I could imagine relocating the rad further beyond the slam panel and it could work.
Now what V8 made by toyota that can mate up with the E145 gearbox?

This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: May 20, 2013 - 3:40 PM

[czwalga]

There's plenty of room, the problem is the steering rack location.

[95CelicaST]

I think you mean inline-4, not flat-4.... no Subaru motors in a ST205.

[yellowchinaman]

corrected just for you.
Now I didnt think about the steering rack.
What options do I have as I think its the same issue with a V6 transplant?

This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: May 20, 2013 - 3:41 PM

[ILoveMySilly97]

Damn. If you go through with this v8 swap. Im pretty sure it would be loads of money and labor and mods.

[Smaay]

just put a 2JZ in there. it will fit

[yellowchinaman]

just put a 2JZ in there. it will fit

No it wont. Not horizontally.

Regarding money, I think ill be making most of the things up so besides the lump, everything else is just aftermarket tuning parts.

So back to what V8 will mate the E145?

How about the 1UZFE?

This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: May 20, 2013 - 4:10 PM

[RavenAegis45]

just put a 2JZ in there. it will fit

No it wont. Not horizontally.

Regarding money, I think ill be making most of the things up so besides the lump, everything else is just aftermarket tuning parts.

So back to what V8 will mate the E145?

How about the 1UZFE?

No its not possible for a 1UZFE to fit
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm...ns/42544/page1/

[Galcobar]

No its not possible for a 1UZFE to fit
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm...ns/42544/page1/

A 1UZFE with twin turbochargers fit into a fifth-gen Celica's engine bay -- although that was a GT4 which was converted to rear-wheel drive. http://www.lextreme.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1140

[Box]

We have a member doing a V8 conversion right now, but it's being done in a RWD layout. We know the V6's will work such as the 1MZ-FE. I'm kind of curious, why are you wanting to swap from the 3S-GTE?

[Special_Edy]

The 1uz is 6 inches longer than the 5sfe. Bolted to the S54 transmission its 6 inches wider than the frame of the celica and it would drag the oilpan on the ground so you'd need a dry sump

[yellowchinaman]

great so the 1UZFE is too big.
Can the 1MZ-FE fit sideways then?
Why V8?
I've always wanted a V8 thats why.

[czwalga]

great so the 1UZFE is too big.
Can the 1MZ-FE fit sideways then?
Why V8?
I've always wanted a V8 thats why.

If you want something thats going to bolt up... get a new chassis. Anything can be done, but lots of time and effort.

[Special_Edy]

A 4-liter 2GR-FE may be possible, using a 1GR crankshaft to stroke it.
The 2GR is a 3.5-liter V6 found in 2007 and newer Toyotas, Lexus, and Lotus. Supposedly its 'bolt in'(some custom parts required) just like the 1mz, though the 2gr is a bit more expensive.

Then your celica would be a GRT-205 or GT-205 instead of an ST-205

This post has been edited by Special_Edy: May 21, 2013 - 6:35 AM

[yellowchinaman]

great so the 1UZFE is too big.
Can the 1MZ-FE fit sideways then?
Why V8?
I've always wanted a V8 thats why.

If you want something thats going to bolt up... get a new chassis. Anything can be done, but lots of time and effort.

I intend on making a new subframe and chopping the chassis to make this fit anyway. As long as it sits within the two top mounts and I can still retain the GT4 gearbox then I think it's do-able.

GT-205 sounds good but would rather have a V8 if I can fit it instead of a V6.

[yellowchinaman]

Also how does the 3VZFE compares to the 1MZFE?

[Bitter]

That's like asking how does a Chevy 350 compare to an LS1.

[czwalga]

great so the 1UZFE is too big.
Can the 1MZ-FE fit sideways then?
Why V8?
I've always wanted a V8 thats why.

If you want something thats going to bolt up... get a new chassis. Anything can be done, but lots of time and effort.

I intend on making a new subframe and chopping the chassis to make this fit anyway. As long as it sits within the two top mounts and I can still retain the GT4 gearbox then I think it's do-able.

GT-205 sounds good but would rather have a V8 if I can fit it instead of a V6.

If you're going to the trouble, better off making it rwd. Doublt you'll find an engine to fit and bolt up to the FWD transmission. Like I said though the steering rack is the real killer on this car.

[95CelicaST]

3VZ is an old heavy cast iron V6. If that is your thing, then right on. 1MZ is all aluminum V6, and is reserved for ballers.




both options will bolt up to the E153 perfectly... Not sure how the rear bank exhaust manifold will interfere with an AWD transmission,

[czwalga]

Talking about a v8, v6 swaps have been done.

[95CelicaST]

V8 won't fit with any Toyota transmission. There are guys on the MR2 board that are working with a small GM transmission, but ultimately you'll need to just convert to RWD.

[Smaay]

if you want something with a V8 in it, get a car that came with a V8.

quit trying to reinvent the wheel. a V8 in a FWD celica is just plain STUPID. can it be done? yes. but why? the cost will be outrageous. Get a 1MZ or 3MZ or 2GR and call it a day.

[yellowchinaman]

Then out of the 1MZ, 3MZ and 2GR, which on will be more tuneable with FI for high hp?

This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: May 21, 2013 - 1:49 PM

[Box]

The 1MZ would be the easiest to go with, as it's been done a few times already. I think it'd be good for the GT-Four, would remove a lot of weight from the front of the car. As far as which would make the most power logic dictates that it would be the 2GR. The 3MZ doesn't make much more power than the 1MZ stock vs stock. I wouldn't think it'd be worth the extra headaches for the extra 20-30 hp. I want to say Smaay has a 1MZ/3MZ hybrid and is doing well with it, he could probably fill you in on all the details.

[Smaay]

i had a hybrid but it started spinning a bearing, so i swapped it out with a full on 3MZ. there is only 2 differences between the 1MZ and 3MZ block. .3L displacement is the big one. no EGR cooler on the 3MZ. and feed holes for VVT. the Heads are almost the same too. just a tad longer to support the VVT gear and the cam position sensors are moved. thats about it. Im running the 3MZ on 1MZ electronics so i have no VVT support. i have posted my Dyno and its way above what i was expecting. 240TQ and 220 HP.

im in the process of designing an intercooled M90 SC setup

[yellowchinaman]

if you want something with a V8 in it, get a car that came with a V8.

quit trying to reinvent the wheel. a V8 in a FWD celica is just plain STUPID. can it be done? yes. but why? the cost will be outrageous. Get a 1MZ or 3MZ or 2GR and call it a day.

You doubting me?

So I have a plan and I believe itll work.

What Ill need is a Chevy 8.3 ltr V8
Then Im gona mount it behind he seat's for a mid engine setup
Custom made chassis and roll cage
Porsche style 4x4 transmission with a forward facing transfer box to power the front wheels

[Box]

I'm up for seeing a V6 GT-Four, not sure about anyone else.

[soulshadow]

V8 pffftttt... I drop in a V12

[yellowchinaman]

so the biggest problem i have now is finding a car with a mid engine awd setup as porsche carerra 4 was a rear engine awd setup.
The transmission will also need to be able to withstand 644hp from the big v8.

This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: May 26, 2013 - 5:26 AM

[Special_Edy]

There is an easier way of doing this. A 1mz-e153 sitting on the front wheels and another 1mz-e153 sitting on the back wheels. It would be 4 wheel drive and it'd be badass

Its easy if you think about it, you just gotta weld a front subframe into the rear of the car and bolt another engine in there.

It would probably be easier than swapping in a V-8

[yellowchinaman]

There is an easier way of doing this. A 1mz-e153 sitting on the front wheels and another 1mz-e153 sitting on the back wheels. It would be 4 wheel drive and it'd be badass

Its easy if you think about it, you just gotta weld a front subframe into the rear of the car and bolt another engine in there.

It would probably be easier than swapping in a V-8

Aside from poor power to weight ratio, traction and timing.

This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: May 26, 2013 - 12:53 PM

[Bitter]

No, your biggest problem is you still think this is feasible. For what this would cost you, you could go buy a Dodge Viper or a Chevy Corvette and have more than 644 HP.

[yellowchinaman]

No, your biggest problem is you still think this is feasible. For what this would cost you, you could go buy a Dodge Viper or a Chevy Corvette and have more than 644 HP.

Edit.
I sound abit abrupt in my last reply.
Point is. if I wanted to buy a fast car. Id buy a fast car.
Its not about cost but more about the adventure.
I have what it takes, the tools and man power to do so.
Im the type of guy who want to build a Rwd Mini ute simply cos its cool.
So thinking outside the box, limitations of feasibilty and cost aside.
What american car has a mid engine 4wd setup?

This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: May 26, 2013 - 1:48 PM

[Bitter]

Someone put a 2JZ in their 7th gen Celica, have $15,000 invested into the project PLUS the original vehicle cost...and that's just front engine RWD. You're talking about hacking up the structure of a uni-body vehicle. You're looking at fabricating a tube chassis and putting the Celica body over it. Have you ever built a car chassis? Do you know how you would register that? Pass MOT? Do you have a welder? Pipe bender? What kind of tubing are you going to use? How do you stress test your weld joints? Where should you use a 3 pass fillet weld vs a 2 pass? Single pass? Are you supposed to keyhole Chromoly tubing? What shield gas do you use with 7018 rod?

Which one of those questions is bogus?

This post has been edited by Bitter: May 26, 2013 - 2:07 PM

[njccmd2002]

wow, let me go get my popcorn bag!!!!!

[yellowchinaman]

Bitter, you're more than likely a much more experienced and quailified welder or mechanic then I am but theres no need to show off.
I dont want to turn this into a debate but what i do know is that knowing the difference between 1, 2&3 pass, type of gas used has no relevance for MOT.
But what I have got is a fully fledged workshop with 2 mechanics, both qualified welders, 2 painters and 2 workshop assistants. We work next door to a VOSA testing centre which we've put many cars through MOT from import conversions and salvage repairs all legitimate and legal.
There are many Uk engineering companies which make space frame chassis which are easy to construct and can be designed from CAD consultations. Weve used a few companies for roll cage track cars and also custom engine mounted subframes for past customers.
I am fully aware that the only thing ill be keeping is just the top shell of the celica and that its not worth any resale after.


This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: May 26, 2013 - 3:55 PM

[Bitter]

If all of that's true, why are you asking us? Just go and do it! What's the name of the shop so we can follow progress on their website, I'm sure they'll want to do a blog about such a ground breaking project.

[njccmd2002]

[yellowchinaman]

My name is Raymond Wai. Co director of RT-Performance. We customise cars mostly but that also includes custom builds too.
I am the one who created such parts as many carbon fibre exrerior for the gt-fours. Our best example is Johnys grey ST205 which is the most heavily carboned known four around, true racing aero undertrays for track cars and front and rear braces for the 6G celicas.
And its not ground breaking. There are many people with a grinder and a welding machine who makes hybrids such as V8 powered fiat 500s or M5 RWD powered scoobies. A close friend of mine is dropping a RB26 hybrid M3 transmission into an old E46.
Why? because we can and its interesting and fun. For me its a challenge as Ive never built a mid engine 4WD car. Searching online I now know why its so difficult but that just makes me even more excited to take on the challenge.
I dont have a point to prove but its nice to ask social networks for advice and to expand creativty. In this case its turning out more hostile and sarcastic then a creative and constructive conversation.

This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: May 26, 2013 - 5:37 PM

[Bitter]

So...you're an upscale body shop? Best of luck with your V8 swap!

[yellowchinaman]

Thanks. Now lets get back to this topic.
All creations aspires from an idea. Im still researching and so far the problem isnt the engine but in fact the transmission.
The only cars Ive found so far which has a ME4WD setup is a Ford RS200 or a Lancer Delta. Both old rare but not impossible to source in the UK.
However, as its an american engine Im choosing, it would be nice if some helpful people can suggest an american car with a mid engine 4wd setup preferably 5 years and older which cane mate with a Chevy big block.

[timdog1720]

No, your biggest problem is you still think this is feasible. For what this would cost you, you could go buy a Dodge Viper or a Chevy Corvette and have more than 644 HP.

Edit.
I sound abit abrupt in my last reply.
Point is. if I wanted to buy a fast car. Id buy a fast car.
Its not about cost but more about the adventure.
I have what it takes, the tools and man power to do so.
Im the type of guy who want to build a Rwd Mini ute simply cos its cool.
So thinking outside the box, limitations of feasibilty and cost aside.
What american car has a mid engine 4wd setup?

why in every post someone has to prove themselves to everyone here and fight their way through the rhetoric. for now on lets just always assume...(I know there are easier options and yes i know its probably a waste of time)... so now that, thats out of the way for life from every new post onward please just answer the **** question, instead of seeing if the guy or gal has the guts to stand up to bullies lol

just felt like addressing that

And oh yea KUDOS to yellowchinaman for another fine standup....

This post has been edited by timdog1720: May 26, 2013 - 5:38 PM

[yellowchinaman]

No, your biggest problem is you still think this is feasible. For what this would cost you, you could go buy a Dodge Viper or a Chevy Corvette and have more than 644 HP.

Edit.
I sound abit abrupt in my last reply.
Point is. if I wanted to buy a fast car. Id buy a fast car.
Its not about cost but more about the adventure.
I have what it takes, the tools and man power to do so.
Im the type of guy who want to build a Rwd Mini ute simply cos its cool.
So thinking outside the box, limitations of feasibilty and cost aside.
What american car has a mid engine 4wd setup?

why in every post someone has to prove themselves to everyone here and fight their way through the rhetoric. for now on lets just always assume...(I know there are easier options and yes i know its probably a waste of time)... so now that, thats out of the way for life from every new post onward please just answer the **** question, instead of seeing if the guy or gal has the guts to stand up to bullies lol


just felt like addressing that

And oh yea KUDOS to yellowchinaman for another fine standup....

Thanks. I shouldnt have to say all that and sound like a douchebas or a show off. But cant a man ask a daring question or research without being shot down?

[timdog1720]

No, your biggest problem is you still think this is feasible. For what this would cost you, you could go buy a Dodge Viper or a Chevy Corvette and have more than 644 HP.

Edit.
I sound abit abrupt in my last reply.
Point is. if I wanted to buy a fast car. Id buy a fast car.
Its not about cost but more about the adventure.
I have what it takes, the tools and man power to do so.
Im the type of guy who want to build a Rwd Mini ute simply cos its cool.
So thinking outside the box, limitations of feasibilty and cost aside.
What american car has a mid engine 4wd setup?

why in every post someone has to prove themselves to everyone here and fight their way through the rhetoric. for now on lets just always assume...(I know there are easier options and yes i know its probably a waste of time)... so now that, thats out of the way for life from every new post onward please just answer the **** question, instead of seeing if the guy or gal has the guts to stand up to bullies lol


just felt like addressing that

And oh yea KUDOS to yellowchinaman for another fine standup....

Thanks. I shouldnt have to say all that and sound like a douchebas or a show off. But cant a man ask a daring question or research without being shot down?

with these guys sometimes no...but then they wonder why the site is dying off slowly and thats a shame

This post has been edited by timdog1720: May 26, 2013 - 8:35 PM

[SwissFerdi]

Ray, I applaud you for the endeavor. As for the negative talk, I'm not an optimist but I keep it off the forums. It's okay though, Bitter is not a 6gc member anyway.

[Bitter]

Sorry, I'm a realist. If you want mid engine high HP AWD, go buy a retired Group B rally car. If you want a V8 AWD, go buy an old Volvo S80.

Here's what's going to happen, as I've seen it time and time again. Everyone is going to jump up and down and clap their hands. This thread will stay active for maybe 2 weeks tops, then will fall down into the depths of the forums, getting bumped once in a while. In a few months I'll come and bump it asking for updates and the OP will never give them because there are none to give because this project is nothing more than a wet dream. We've all had them, sometimes we've made threads about them. Then reality sets in. I wanted a 7A-GE in my Corolla. Wasn't feasbile. Even though the 7A-GE has been built numerous times it's still not a feasible engine for 90% of Celica/Corolla owners because of the cost of the parts and random weird custom bits needed like timing belts from a Porsche that must be changed every 30K miles or the custom exhaust work, mounts, ecm tuning, wiring, etc. AND THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN DONE and documented before. He's off into lala-dream land there with this one. It's akin to saying that you're going to put a piercing through your left kidney, other people have piercings and it's all just flesh right? No, there are serious technical and safety hurdles. As I said, to do this correctly he's looking to build a race car tube chassis and just plaster the 6GC body on the outside as decoration. As a business venture it's a piss poor investment, the money sunk into it will never be recouped, as a personal venture it's an irresponsible use of the business resources which should be invested towards turning a profit and not a wet dream car project. Argue all you want, my prediction will come true as I've seen it hundreds of times on dozens of forums.

[timdog1720]

Relentless

[yellowchinaman]

No doubt. But whats wrong with that? Its an open forum for open discussions. People talk about ideas all the time but it doesnt mean people have to go through with the ideas. If I needed a business consultant, I would turn to a consultant.
If this was something I am to do, it certainly wouldn't be an investment or irresponsible for me to use my own resorces in my own time at my own costs because at the end of the day I pay for my own materials, parts and labour.
Remember this is a discussion and a hobbie. It could take a few years to do or it may never happen at all. But hey, this is a discussion of ideas and so what if it never happens?
Did you know that 10 years ago people only dreamed of production cars being able to reach 200mph? The first Bugatti Vayron was built at a loss never to profit but to prove a point?
Im not on a crusade here to prove a point nor am I looking to get into the history books but I do have questions which Id like answers to and there's nothing wrong with asking.

[Bitter]

Your question was answered.

just put a 2JZ in there. it will fit

No it wont. Not horizontally.

Regarding money, I think ill be making most of the things up so besides the lump, everything else is just aftermarket tuning parts.

So back to what V8 will mate the E145?

How about the 1UZFE?

No its not possible for a 1UZFE to fit
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm...ns/42544/page1/

The 1UZ is a pretty compact engine, you'd be straying towards the mini-V8's with V6 like displacement and power and since a V6 will fit and give similar if not better power it's all null and void to want a V8. Ergo, the question was answered on page one and now this is just a wet dream stroke fest. Which is fine, but don't masquerade it like you're going to build it if you're just asking to ask.

[Lil-Joe101]

No doubt. But whats wrong with that? Its an open forum for open discussions. People talk about ideas all the time but it doesnt mean people have to go through with the ideas. If I needed a business consultant, I would turn to a consultant.
If this was something I am to do, it certainly wouldn't be an investment or irresponsible for me to use my own resorces in my own time at my own costs because at the end of the day I pay for my own materials, parts and labour.
Remember this is a discussion and a hobbie. It could take a few years to do or it may never happen at all. But hey, this is a discussion of ideas and so what if it never happens?
Did you know that 10 years ago people only dreamed of production cars being able to reach 200mph? The first Bugatti Vayron was built at a loss never to profit but to prove a point?
Im not on a crusade here to prove a point nor am I looking to get into the history books but I do have questions which Id like answers to and there's nothing wrong with asking.

Nothing wrong with asking at all Ray. I for one am interested in the idea and theory of a v8 in 6gc for one it's different and we all know how much I like to be different. And two, to see something new and exciting, something that after all negativity and non-beliefs becomes a reality and a head turner. After all this is only a forum filled with questions and ideas after all and look how we as tuners have come so far already with the 6gc.

[yellowchinaman]

interesting read from
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35047

and also dpcars.net sells V8 4wd kit cars.

[Bitter]

See, now you're headed in the right direction. Rather than trying to make a FWD uni body into an AWD mid engine, build the chassis around the drive train then tack on the body panels.

[timdog1720]

Relentless

[Bitter]

I'm sorry Timdog1720, do you have anything else to say? Don't you have an engine to be installing or are you still gussying it up with pretty paint?

[timdog1720]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...%3AAAQ%3AUS%3A1


Hello,

These kits have a few different spings, drill bits, & other micsellaneous parts that go in the valve body. This comes with 11 pages of instructions to make all of the modifications. All changes are just inside the pan, so it doesn't need to be out.

Thanks,

Hello, I'm new here and I have a 1993 Geo Prizm 7A-FE with the A245E transmission. I haven't found any good iinformation about that shift kit and someone suggested that I try asking about it here since I do have the same drivetrain as the '94 Celica and possibly some '95 Celicas. Does anyone here know anything about it or have any opinions?

This summer I am due to drop my trans pan and clean the filter/magnets and check the clutch packs and bands, I plan on doing this along with the 120K timing belt and putting on a new waterpump (I'm not sure how long they typically last on the 7a-fe but better safe than sorry I would think).

wow even you at one point asked for someones opinion

This post has been edited by timdog1720: May 27, 2013 - 3:16 PM

[timdog1720]

I'm sorry Timdog1720, do you have anything else to say? Don't you have an engine to be installing or are you still gussying it up with pretty paint?

and yea its been installed now more than a year and a half and yea the paint still looks a little fresh still after all this time i might touch it back up again thanks for the idea

[Bitter]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...%3AAAQ%3AUS%3A1


Hello,

These kits have a few different spings, drill bits, & other micsellaneous parts that go in the valve body. This comes with 11 pages of instructions to make all of the modifications. All changes are just inside the pan, so it doesn't need to be out.

Thanks,

Hello, I'm new here and I have a 1993 Geo Prizm 7A-FE with the A245E transmission. I haven't found any good iinformation about that shift kit and someone suggested that I try asking about it here since I do have the same drivetrain as the '94 Celica and possibly some '95 Celicas. Does anyone here know anything about it or have any opinions?

This summer I am due to drop my trans pan and clean the filter/magnets and check the clutch packs and bands, I plan on doing this along with the 120K timing belt and putting on a new waterpump (I'm not sure how long they typically last on the 7a-fe but better safe than sorry I would think).

wow even you at one point asked for someones opinion

Yes, but I wasn't in the realm of fantasy. Who here has refreshed their timing belt and done transmission maintenance vs who here has put a V8 engine into a Celica? Let's see, I can count the latter on the hands of a quadruple amputee. Yes, I asked questions, but I also do my own homework before asking as to weed out the outlandish and infeasible.

Let's look at Google shall we?
https://www.google.com/search?q=V8+Celica&a...mp;channel=fflb
Now narrow it down some more.
https://www.google.com/search?num=100&c...erp.wHoVstBh1sI
And see what happens there? If you read through the pages returned as results you begin to understand (for yourself) why choosing to put a V8 engine into a 6th generation Celica isn't a feasible project. Now, note that I say feasible and not impossible. There's the key difference.

You say people like me are why this forum is dying? No, people like me are why it's not dying. Someone gets this grandiose idea, they start hacking stuff up, days turn to months, progress grinds to a halt, they quit and buy a different car. If you keep your expectations in the realm of feasibility you'll be much less disappointed by the outcome. Say you have dreams of making your USDM ST204 into a ST205, that's reasonable and feasible with the needed dedication, however how many actually fully go through with it? How many drop in the 3S-GTE and are satisfied with the results then sell it for an Evo or WRX? Setting your goals in the realm of the possible and feasible and then seeing your project through to the end are what keeps a car alive, not putting your head in the clouds and being forlorn when all you see are...clouds.

Oh, and for the record I never did do the trans work or timing belt. I didn't have the time or money or balls to dive into the transmission when I owned the car and the timing belt was beyond my tool set at the time. If I still had the car as a second or third car I'd love to dump my time and effort into it, but sadly the uni-body near the rear suspension links was rotting away and then once the transmission began to slip into neutral I decided it was time to part ways. I'm very happy with my current Celica and thoroughly satisfied with the hours of love I have poured into the suspension. Devoting my time and a minor amount of money towards the car has for me been well worth it. I set a simple goal and followed through. Would I love to go nuts and do all sorts of things, yes I would. But I know if I set my self up to fail my own goals I'll become disenfranchised with the car and want to move onto something else.

This post has been edited by Bitter: May 27, 2013 - 4:18 PM

[Bitter]

Did you know that 10 years ago people only dreamed of production cars being able to reach 200mph? The first Bugatti Vayron was built at a loss never to profit but to prove a point?

Sorry, I missed that one as you also missed the 200 MPH barrier by a couple decades. Let me introduce to you the Ferrari F40, back from the future of 1987.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F40

[Mo_tron]

Relentless

x2


If you can't help in a positive way, then why bother wasting all this effort trying to put down someone who has an idea?
At least he seems to have the tools and resources to do the work, unlike a lot of other dreamers.

Just my 2 cents but hey...

[Kwanza26]

What a bunch of whiny pu$$ies.

This is a stupid idea overall... so i'mma cuss and get this post closed. V8 in a Celica... it's been done. google it. Turning a celica into a mid ship... if you have to ask on a forum... you can't do it. Is it possible... sure... throw a load of cash on anything and it's possible. There are jet engine cars out there... amphibious cars... you name it. Whether or not you can do it has NOTHING to do with what people think about it on a web forum... especially if you're toying with retarded ideas. Hey... I got one! V12 in a Celica... with M3 headlights and Lambo tails... and 6 wheels... converted to a semi truck, with a PTO just in case you need to power a tiller... cause it'll be a unique snowflake (i'm so cool)! Originality works both ways.

Prove me wrong... do it and reply here with your finished MR V8 Celica and i'll take back everything I said.

[timdog1720]

ok my bad and any moderator can confirm this, but I am now going to assume that this forum was made for only what actually can be done to a Celica ? I looked but didn't find a list of rules but I believe the say....

Forum Rules

Welcome to the 6G Celicas forums! These forums are designed to provide the sixth generation Celica community with a safe, helpful, friendly place to discuss their cars.

1. Keep your posts clean. These forums, like the rest of the site, are designed to be a family-safe environment, and that means that you must watch your use of obscenities. This also means not attacking others in your posts. You must respect everyone here. If you're not going to post something helpful or respectful, don't post. This also means no pornography, sexist, racist, hateful, or illegal content as well.

2. Be nice to the new members! They're new, and if they post something that has been posted a lot in the past, don't answer with something such as "Do a search." Instead, maybe do a search yourself, and link them to a couple informative threads, or write a post that answers their question, with a friendly comment at the end of your post to maybe do a search next time. Remember, we were ALL new once.



I like number 2 allot ... some of you guys need to do your research with these rules

This post has been edited by timdog1720: May 28, 2013 - 1:29 AM

[yellowchinaman]

Missing the point totally.
Lets just drop this guys. Its sad that some people feel the need to crusade the forums in the mission to direct and dictate and challenge. There is no point to argue with them because you'll never get the last word.
Im not going to bother replying to people who dont respect others in the freedom to question and dream even if it is pointless.

This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: May 28, 2013 - 8:06 AM

[njccmd2002]

Bitter and Kwanza, what a shame. people like u are what made the forum the way it is. A ghost ship!

why

1. Nobody can ask anything that has been done because, they will be flamed and told to go search

2. Nobody can ank anything new because they will be flamed and told they are fantasizing and dreaming

I dont care if you guys are up there with einstein, or tesla or hawkins, your kind of attitude is whats bringing this site down, I for one would like to see creativity.

Martin Luther King once had a dream, and everyone laughed at him. Look at society now.

Naysayers, go to your civic forums, leave us alone. If you dont participate, or collaborate, get out of this thread. If i was a moderator, youd both be ina vacation cruise.



Moderators, dont close this thread please... V8 has been done http://www.v8mr2.com/ so its possible on a Celica.. Now what? read why he did it! not a toyota engine, non the less V8

GOOGLE V8 MR2, if there is not more crammed bay, is the mr2

[Smaay]

Bitter and Kwanza, what a shame. people like u are what made the forum the way it is. A ghost ship!

why

1. Nobody can ask anything that has been done because, they will be flamed and told to go search

thats because we are tired of answering the same questions over and over again.

2. Nobody can ank anything new because they will be flamed and told they are fantasizing and dreaming

thats because we know what is feasible. like we have mentioned, can it be done? yes, but at what cost. 90% of the 6th gen owners are of the young age group that have no money just pipe dreams.

I dont care if you guys are up there with einstein, or tesla or hawkins, your kind of attitude is whats bringing this site down, I for one would like to see creativity.

creativity is good, but doing something that is just not feasible is irresponsible. V8 swaps and 2JZ swaps just dont make sense. sure it can be done, but your typical kid in HS or college cant afford it.

Martin Luther King once had a dream, and everyone laughed at him. Look at society now.

yeah look at it, the country is full of people that think they are entitled to everything. meanwhile im in the working class and have to pay for everyone else. this country is going downhill very fast and the libtards are helping it. This country was founded on freedoms and not socialism which is what it is heading to.

Naysayers, go to your civic forums, leave us alone. If you dont participate, or collaborate, get out of this thread. If i was a moderator, youd both be ina vacation cruise.

well its a good thing you are not, i dont see a reason for getting a vacation.

Moderators, dont close this thread please... V8 has been done http://www.v8mr2.com/ so its possible on a Celica.. Now what? read why he did it! not a toyota engine, non the less V8

GOOGLE V8 MR2, if there is not more crammed bay, is the mr2

big deal, so it can be done. loo at all the work involved. your typical 6th gen owner cant afford that, cant fab it, its just out of their reach.

[BonzaiCelica]

since the forum is dead now adays. i guess this kinda engine swaps are the only thing to talk about. but if you guys want good power why not super and turbo charge the 3sgte. that way you have torque and power at all rpms. probably better option than v8 awd

[njccmd2002]

Smaay, I did not ask your opinion. Sorry thats cool that you have one, you know what they say about them

I will here tell you, please stay out of it. I dont care who or what u are. All that v6 knowledge you have and this is what you bring to the forum, is negativity. If

1. you think you know it all

2. tired of helping noobs

3. dont like creativity

4. and you like to push around people like u do,

Then what the hell are you doing in this forums.

Because apparently

1. you are better than us

2. you do everything better than us

3. you know whats best for everyone because no one cant afford anything

4. appear to be somewhat of a racist... yes its hidden in your comments....


So you need.

1. To create your own www.v6imze6gcsmaay.net forums

2. and enjoy the website all for yourself.


I for once will ask you:

1. Never reply in any of my post if you are going to be useless.

2. And i will never reply in anymore of yours....



DEAL?

And you can say whatever you want, because guess what? I DONT CARE, LOL. and to be honest with you im not the only one that feels this way. Comprendes?

God i just messed up this thread....

yellowchina, sorry....

[czwalga]

Haha this is fun.


Really though anyone with real aspirations to do something will do it regardless of whether people are negative or not on a forum. I remember when I first joined quite a few people telling me a clutch differential is the worst thing ever... yet no one really knew what was the best for my application. Would have ended up with a clutch diff, but did AWD instead. Still wish I had clutch diffs in the front/rear.

On the other hand most people are just pipe dreams and people that have been around a while need to have it proven to them that the person is serious.

[Rusty]

thread closed.

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