new Zupra!!! Options

[njccmd2002]

new GR Zupra...... (redacted) its a BMW

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: May 23, 2019 - 1:53 PM

[richee3]

Looks about how we all expected. Can’t say I’m surprised that they still haven’t released any performance specs. It’s definitely not going to be anywhere near GTR specs, just a little above 370Z. It’ll still be fun, but you won’t see me trading up.

[bloodMoney]

I want to know WTF the car is really going to look like.

Either way, I won't be buying one because it's just a toyota badged BM-Fu@#ing-W

And I don't own german cars.

[richee3]

I think the current renderings are pretty close, based on the test mules and now the GR concept. I’d say the vents in the front bumper will be toned down but I think the sides and rear are spot on.



I hate the front, don’t mind the sides, and I like the rear end. The front looks like they tried to modernize the mkIV headlights to make them fit the new car, tried to design the front bumper to match the new Camry’s styling, then gave it a bulbous nose for no reason whatsoever. I guess the nose is supposed to emulate a Formula One car? I guess we still won’t know anything for sure about the car for another month.

[njccmd2002]

man, even the forums are ready!!!

we need to have the forums ready with a section for GT4 stupid questions next year...

and for BOX, for an off topic GT4 not questions

[navseal345]

I like the Viper roof!

[Box]

I like the looks, only question is if it'll have a manual or not. Which I think it's best to think of the new Supra more as the beefed up FR-S/86 everyone wanted more so than an actual Supra successor, but if they give enough engine bay room to throw in a 2JZ then I guess you'd kinda get the best of both worlds in that regard. I'm just happy that Toyota is actually bothering to make cars that're fun again, and at the end of the day I think that's something everyone can agree on. Who knows, maybe a shared 4C or Evora could be the next MR2.

This post has been edited by Box: Mar 6, 2018 - 7:25 PM

[Bitter]

Yay BMW reliability...

[TimeslideZ]

Yay BMW reliability...

Lol +1 to this, which makes me skeptical as well. Overall the front is very nice; but I'm not so sure if I like the back, it seems too flat?

[cheela]

I like the looks, only question is if it'll have a manual or not. Which I think it's best to think of the new Supra more as the beefed up FR-S/86 everyone wanted more so than an actual Supra successor, but if they give enough engine bay room to throw in a 2JZ then I guess you'd kinda get the best of both worlds in that regard. I'm just happy that Toyota is actually bothering to make cars that're fun again, and at the end of the day I think that's something everyone can agree on. Who knows, maybe a shared 4C or Evora could be the next MR2.

I think i just saw, it was announced, it will be auto only. but I guess auto trans has been getting better and better these days. just not as fun as a manual.

someone's gonna buy one and stuff a 2jz in there. yall know it. lolll

[narly_charley]

Yay BMW reliability...

Haha! I'll quote what my dad said (automotive technician for about 40 years).

"I hope it's not some s hitty BMW with a Toyota badge on it."

"BMW's inline six is nothing more than an oil leaking boat anchor."

Hahaha!!

[richee3]

One article I read quoted Tetsuya Tada as saying that even though the Supra/Z4 will be built in a BMW factory, they will not be like the Toyobaru twins and that the Supra will be much more Toyota.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/geneva-mot...ight-six-engine

That being said, the Supra is traditionally powered by an inline 6, and who makes those besides BMW? So who knows, we might get an oil leaking BMW engine that got Toyota’s direct injection then detuned. Only time will tell.

[NgoFcukinWay]

BMW Supra. meh. pass.

[block]

Wish this was strictly a Toyota project. I hate the fact that Toyota has to go to BMW for this to shave costs. Like Toyota fashion, it's got a nice ass LOL.

[Box]

I think i just saw, it was announced, it will be auto only. but I guess auto trans has been getting better and better these days. just not as fun as a manual.

Who cares if they're faster, and it's stupid because the Z4 WILL have a manual option. So there's no reason for it not to be an option on the Supra.

#TheStickMakesItBetter

[Bitter]

It's official, Box likes stick. That explains a few things...

[Box]

Fairly sure it was official a long time ago I only liked manuals.

[bloodMoney]

Fairly sure it was official a long time ago I only liked manuals.

That's not what Jordan was talking about...

This post has been edited by bloodMoney: Mar 9, 2018 - 8:18 AM

[Box]

I know, but any kind of retort acknowledging it just makes it look like I'm trying to hide something so meh took the high road and responded literally.

Though I could've responded with something to the effect of, "So what if I prefer to play with a stick than a slushbox?"

[Bitter]

Why not both?

[Box]

Because automatics take out any fun in driving for me, even if it were a newer one that shifts just as fast or faster than I can so it's not about shifting speed or being the fastest. If anyone else likes them or finds them fun that's fine, but I don't. There's just a feeling of disconnect between me and the car and I don't feel like driving it and just rather be a passenger at that point. I think a lot of it was when I was starting to drive I was overly cautious and nervous and would just space out to deal with the stress while driving, and all the cars were automatic. The first car I started to really drive and get comfortable with was a manual and it forced me to constantly pay attention and work through my nervousness, even now after 10 years of driving there are times I'll get antsy and having the manual keeps me from spacing out since it keeps me focused on driving and not on my anxiety. I guess it's a combination of what's fun and safe for me, so the world probably wants me in a manual just as much as I want to be in one.

[richee3]

As we draw nearer to the official reveal, we keep getting more and more information on this car and it changing my mind about it. I didn’t care for the looks of the FT1 concept and that still hasn’t changed. However, it seemed at first that we’d be getting maybe a beefed up 370Z. Now we know this car will weigh under 3,300 lbs, have the same structural rigidity as the LFA, lower center of gravity than the 86 triplets, and handle like a Cayman. That all sounds very promising to me. Granted, it still won’t run with the cars that it used to so I can understand why so many people are still upset about it, but the mkIV crowd still expects it to have 800 hp with the potential for about a trillion so they aren’t even giving this car a chance. However, it looks like it’ll have a BMW B58 engine so there will be potential for decent power. As of today, several journalists have gotten their hands on the A90 and the reviews are very positive, which is reinforcing my recent change of heart.

https://jalopnik.com/2019-toyota-supra-the-...h-to-1829117407

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/supra-c...irst-drive?ab=1

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2020-t...prototype-drive

[narly_charley]

I'm still upset that they teamed up with BMW. Not a Toyota in my mind...

[NgoFcukinWay]

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeee
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

[cheela]

At least it's return to performance and fun with the 86 and A90
I'd rather have them making more sports cars then more sedan and crossover variants.

[NgoFcukinWay]

Supra Utility Vehicle.

[richee3]

I can understand why so many people are still upset about it, but the mkIV crowd still expects it to have 800 hp with the potential for about a trillion so they aren’t even giving this car a chance.

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeee
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

I rest my case.

I'm still upset that they teamed up with BMW. Not a Toyota in my mind...

I was at the start as well. I still see BMW's as unreliable but at the same time, BMW builds a great chassis (and we all know Toyota desperately needs to learn a thing or two in that department these days) and BMW is the only logical choice to go to for a straight six. Look at it this way- this car is already rumored to cost $60,000+ USD and has taken YEARS to get this close to production and that's with BMW's help. If Toyota had to develop a new engine from scratch, an engine that would be used in this car and this car alone, imagine the cost and time it would take. We'd nearly never see another Supra. (Not that it seems that BMW helped speed up the process...) But the B58 engine has proved to be pretty reliable so far with decent power potential. We'll see how high mileage examples do, and I'd be worried to drive one of these out of warranty but the Supra will come with Toyota's warranty. I don't believe maintenance can be ignored or put off as with every other Toyota but taken care of, I don't think this will be the worst car Toyota has ever produced. Everything I've ever read about the BMW/Toyota collab says they started off together then went their own separate ways with each car, and only came back together at the very end, supporting Akio Toyoda's claims that "there's a lot more Toyota in this car than people think." I've read that the BMW-Toyota partnership benefits BMW by getting to use Toyota's hybrid technology and Toyota gets to build a better chassis, which will make Toyota more exciting than the appliances they've made over the last decade. The A90 may have a BMW engine but one of the articles above states Toyota electronics, which was one of my big concerns.

At least it's return to performance and fun with the 86 and A90
I'd rather have them making more sports cars then more sedan and crossover variants.

This. The JZA80 may have punched outside of it's weight class to take on Corvettes, 911's, even the GTR, but the fact is that it was marketed more against the Z32. It just happened to have much more capability than Toyota liked to pretend. Although I tend to agree with the masses that I'm a little disappointed that the A90 no longer competes with these cars, I can't say I'm surprised either. Toyota has no interest in competing with themselves with the RC-F and LC500, even though those are at a different price point than the A90 is rumored to be. But they can't have their $60k car embarrassing the $90k+ LC500 (even though it's going to anyway- even the name LC is LUXURY coupe, not BARC- badass race coupe.) My hope is that the rumored price point is incorrect because $60k puts this car into C7 Vette and M3 territory, and lined up perfectly with the Cayman they are marketing this against. If that's the case, the car simply won't sell well because there's too much competition at that price range, meaning most people will walk away from the Supra and move onto something else, which will kill production after only a few years. Wait... that sounds familiar... almost like some other car Toyota used to build...

Interesting read on the B58 rumored to power the A90. Definitely has some pros and cons.
http://youwheel.com/home/2016/03/27/detail...ylinder-engine/

From the release of the FT1 concept I have not been a fan of the A90. Hated the looks then, hate the look now. I had a feeling it would be a lame 370Z competitor for $60k, not cool. However, now that Toyota is leaking little teasers, telling us it handles like a Cayman, letting people get pictures of the engine bay so some have taken educated guesses that it's powered by a B58, and they actually encourage people to swap 2JZ's into it and even built the four cylinder to be cheaper and intentionally easy to swap a 2JZ into, that's just awesome. It sounds like Toyota has listened to us after all. They built a car with reinforcements for aftermarket wings, pre drilled for splitters, engine good enough for those that don't want to modify the car, handles exactly how we asked them to make it handle, and made it easy to put a 2JZ into on purpose. What isn't to love there? I'll sum up the highlights- very mod friendly, great handling, put a 2JZ in it. And I strongly suspect from little hints given here and there that they may have even built a test mule with a 2JZ in it just to make sure it doesn't ruin the handling of the car. You know for sure they out one in it at some point to ensure it's not difficult to swap, the way they specifically say buy the cheaper 4 cylinder for swapping legendary Toyota engines into.

I may still have the unpopular opinion here, but I don't care. I think this car will be a huge hit, price tag aside. They literally gave us everything a Supra used to be with some improvements, and since they can't legally put 2JZ's in it themselves, they intentionally made a cheaper model that's easy to swap. Everyone wins.

[NgoFcukinWay]

Well, what I wanna know is are they going to be putting 2JZs into production again? There's only so many left and I'm not going to be dropping $20K for a billet motor from down unda. What about transmission options? Universal transmission mounts/shifters, or will the 8987234-spd auto bolt up to the JZ block?

They should've made it easier to do an LS swap with a T-56 and call it a day.

[richee3]

Those drawn out posts I’ve made and I still haven’t addressed the transmission... No manual trans option straight up sucks. No defending that one, no matter how good of a trans it might be. This car definitely won’t be fast enough out of the factory to justify no manual option. And you know it’s only a matter of time before there’s an LS in one of these, which will be BA. Since it won’t have the legendary status of the mkIV amongst enthusiasts, and since a lot of people don’t like BMW engines, I doubt if many purists will protest V8 swaps.

I did read an article earlier today that said the Supra’s engineers haven’t talked to BMW since 2014. That’s four years of development that BMW isn’t involved in if it’s true.

[navseal345]

Chee we could do halfies?

[Box]

I still don't understand the lack of a manual when the Z4 has it, like seriously how hard could it be to offer it as an option? That's ok, I guess so long as it's easy enough to throw in a 2JZ and CD009(or whatever cheaper trans than the V160/161 that works) then who cares.

This post has been edited by Box: Sep 21, 2018 - 7:31 AM

[NgoFcukinWay]

...would be cool if they threw a dogbox/PPG transmission into it.....

This post has been edited by NgoFcukinWay: Sep 21, 2018 - 8:54 AM

[cheela]

Chee we could do halfies?

Who gets it at the meets though?

[navseal345]

Chee we could do halfies?

Who gets it at the meets though?

Probably me. You can keep/ store it.

[cheela]

Fair enough. I'll keep it and drive it occasionally weekly until the meets where you will pick it up and drive me to the meets and back.

[njccmd2002]

Chee we could do halfies?

Who gets it at the meets though?

this sounds wrong on so many levels...

[njccmd2002]

on point with the supra, i dont like it. it has a beemer hart. that sucks. let me swap a ford fiesta engine in my celica.

[narly_charley]

$60K! Holy balls... You could build SOOOOOO much for that amount of money. Financing may not be as easy, but you can definitely do much more for the money. Like you guys said before - if there's no standard trans available, you might as well buy a new Sienna.

[Bitter]

With BMW power train it won't be about who gets to drive it or store it, it'll be who gets to pay when it breaks :rofl:

[Box]

60K even gets you a decent enough turbo MKIV, which is what everyone wants anyway and options to finance them are a thing these days. Or you could build one hellacious SC300 for about half. I dunno, there are some that'll buy it I'm sure for the looks, that or the newness. Or like in most instances with cars even with cars marketed towards enthusiasts your enthusiast is still in the minority of ownership, so I expect the vast majority will buy it for the looks and features or maybe they just heard how good the (MKIV) Supra is. Since an actual enthusiast with money I can't foresee choosing it over a Cayman, Corvette, etc...

[richee3]

I guess I’m technically the first person here on the forum to buy a new Supra.

[Bitter]

Dimensions not cartoonish, model 100% accurate to actual car.

[Box]

Pssh, bought one on Gran Turismo Sport ages ago.

[richee3]

Dimensions not cartoonish, model 100% accurate to actual car.

It better be for what it cost me! Coulda bought the real thing for what these little things sell for.

Pssh, bought one on Gran Turismo Sport ages ago.

Well.... I’m #2! I haven’t played vidya games in years, forgot it was on GT. I wonder how close it is to the real car, or if it was greatly exaggerated in the game to hype the car up.

[cheela]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a25868740...XEnt-QqQBd_F_is

So..... now that it's officially revealed, who's gettin' one? not me cuz I'm broke as a joke although I will gladly take donations via gofundme or just paypal me

Launch edition does not appeal to me because of the red mirror caps (why?!) and other red accents which just doesn't look good for a $50k+ car. maybe on a civic type r or subaru but not this. The interior looks so much better in all black.

I will have to say I like Phantom Matte Gray they offer.

[navseal345]

Oh good god. Even the shifter & interior look like a bimmer. Couldn't try & make it a little more different? But same thing like the frs & brz. Whatever.

[cheela]

Oh good god. Even the shifter & interior look like a bimmer. Couldn't try & make it a little more different? But same thing like the frs & brz. Whatever.

yeah the interior is VERY much BMW. I don't like the shifter or the steering wheel.

[bloodMoney]

Hard pass.

I'd rather import a MKIV and spend 20k on mods.

[cheela]

Hard pass.

I'd rather import a MKIV and spend 20k on mods.

or a GT-Four and 30k on mods.

[richee3]

Hard pass.

I'd rather import a MKIV and spend 20k on mods.

or a GT-Four and 30k on mods.

This feels a lot like peer pressure...

[navseal345]

There will be a mid-cycle refresh. That'll may or may not be better.

[NgoFcukinWay]

I like the gauge cluster and that's about it. I'm waiting to see what the Japanese companies can do with it as far as aesthetic goes.

[njccmd2002]

Why would i ever want a BMW, It looks like a cross between the 86 and A Z from BMW

[BonzaiCelica]

whats curb weight?

[bloodMoney]

about 3400lbs IIRC

[njccmd2002]

https://jalopnik.com/the-first-mkv-toyota-s...lion-1831905825

WTF 2.1 mill for a bmw

[Bitter]

about 3400lbs IIRC

Well they kept that true to the MKIV at least.

But really, it's making like 330hp while passing California emissions on a single turbo and has a closed deck block. I see no fail here, I see a lot of room for aftermarket improvements. Just like how the Supra came stock for the MKIV, it wasn't very impressive out if the box. It was all the aftermarket that made it into a monster and that holds true for most production cars. The revered GT4, WRX STI, Lancer Evo, etc are not slow in stock form but neither are they amazeballs.

But it's still a fat picgy touring coupe.

This post has been edited by Bitter: Jan 21, 2019 - 2:23 PM

[cheela]

https://jalopnik.com/the-first-mkv-toyota-s...lion-1831905825

WTF 2.1 mill for a bmw

2.1 mil for ONE BMW....

I could buy 4 LFAs for that.

or 30 MKIV Supras

OR!!! 1000 crappy 6th gen celicas!!!!!!

[NgoFcukinWay]

2 charities got a million each, so the dude basically bought the car for $100K.

[Bitter]

https://jalopnik.com/the-first-mkv-toyota-s...lion-1831905825

WTF 2.1 mill for a bmw

2.1 mil for ONE BMW....

I could buy 4 LFAs for that.

or 30 MKIV Supras

OR!!! 1000 crappy 6th gen celicas!!!!!!

You mean 4 MKIV's.
https://jalopnik.com/the-1994-toyota-supra-...ng-a-1831800363

[cheela]

^lol, that's a marketing gimmick. that car's just gonna sit there and rot some more and draw people into the dealership.

whoever's dumb enough to pay that much for one is probably some rich collector that doesn't drive cars anyways and uses as a conversation piece at dinner parties. lol

[njccmd2002]

i sense a lot of jealousy here.

[BonzaiCelica]

the M2 competition with 405 hp in a 6spd or maybe the dual clutch sells for 60k....

[navseal345]

Engineering Explained YouTube video covering the engine.

[bloodMoney]

For whatever reason, I can't stand that guy....

[Bitter]

He talks like Chuckee2009 or whatever, also super annoying to listen to.

[bloodMoney]

You know, I can actually stomach Chuckee2009 for his shorter videos. I just refuse to click on anything that EE puts out. Maybe I just know too many engineers like him, but even in the B is for Build SEMA video, when they're all hanging out drinking, I couldn't stand him.

[njccmd2002]

And the jealousy goes on

[narly_charley]

Rev up your BMW Toyota!!!! Jordan loves Scotty...

[njccmd2002]

BEEmeryota..... bada booom

[richee3]

Interesting.

https://youtu.be/_jbyzmtgU_0

[njccmd2002]

all the video confirmed what i knew, its a rebadged bmw, toyota supervised, but bmw did all the work,

This new supra is a Geo/ChevyNova/Saab/Cavalier.


sad....

[richee3]

Did we watch the same video? Nothing in the video is confirmed as fact but it all aligns with what I’ve read from other sources with just a bit more detail. Essentially BMW built the B58, Toyota was dissatisfied with it and revised it. I’m certain that it’s still largely BMW but they wouldn’t allow various components to go into production. It’s been common knowledge for a while that Toyota did their own suspension and engine tuning, so don’t expect the ECU reflashes that BMW owners get to enjoy but Toyota have been saying all along that this car is more Toyota than the “experts” on Facebook say it is. This car is more Toyota than the 86 is. Still more BMW in it than we’d all like (timing at the back of the engine, really?) but we all know that the most conservative car company in the world isn’t going to risk their reputation of reliability over a low production sports car so it’ll be interesting to see what all they’ve changed. Crossing our fingers for replacing the plastic in the cooling system.

Let’s face it, we all want new Toyota sports cars. Toyota has no interest in building sports cars at all so without other manufacturers, we get nothing and if this car is the same sales flop that the mkIV was, we’ll likely never get another sports car for a long time, never mind one actually engineered by Toyota so we all need this car to be a success. I’m not saying I’ll be first in line to buy one but I’m not totally upset by the car either. Everyone is quick to forget that the Supra was always competition for the Nissan Z cars, never the GTR. Toyota was never ever ever going to give us anything even remotely comparable to a GTR or C7 Corvette, especially not something wearing a Toyota badge. This car was always going to slated under the RC-F so it’s surprising that it does the 0-60 sprint quicker than the RC-F. Some people like to point out that the RC-F Or LC500 should have been the new Supra but the thing is, the RC-F is a nice GT car, and the LC500 is just a pretty coupe and kind of awful as a sports car. Either one would require a ton of work to be up to the job that the new Supra does so I can see where Toyota chose to engineer the car alongside BMW rather than try to reengineer one of the Lexus platforms. There’s no doubt that it will be fun to drive, we just have to wait and see how reliable the car is.

Let’s be honest, if this car was badged as anything other than a Supra, everyone would be losing their minds over it. If the mkIV was re-released today exactly as it was in 1993 like everyone wants, it would be the laughingstock of the sports car world.

Didn’t mean to make this post so lengthy.

TL;DR, Toyota was not impressed with the B58 and reengineered parts of it, and we all need this car to not suck.

[navseal345]

Burros & chariots are fairly reliable.

[navseal345]

Finding out the differences of the engine will be interesting.

[bloodMoney]

If I heard correctly in that video, the engines will be the same. Toyota just subjected the new designed BMW engine to the rigors of the Toyota durability validation process.

So it should be at least as reliable as a toyota engineered engine.

This post has been edited by bloodMoney: Feb 5, 2019 - 8:16 AM

[richee3]

If I heard correctly in that video, the engines will be the same. Toyota just subjected the new designed BMW engine to the rigors of the Toyota durability validation process.

So it should be at least as reliable as a toyota engineered engine.

That's what I got out of it as well. It's a BMW engine, re-engineered by Toyota to be up to their standards. My question is, is BMW using the Toyota-engineered engine in their other cars or will it strictly be the Z4 that gets the Toyota variant? Or will BMW be using that variant at all? It looks like there's still a lot of plastic bits all around the engine which kind of sucks, since we all know the plastic parts of the BMW cooling systems suck. It seems odd that Toyota would test every bolt and rivet in the B58 and revise as necessary then still leave the plastic in the cooling system.

Another concern- Toyota did their own suspension tuning and designed their own interior, yet they raided the BMW parts bin for everything. Was any of that revised to meet Toyota's standards? I have a feeling only the engine was re-engineered but I'm left questioning to what extent.

Toyota also did their own engine tuning. So does that mean that we will be getting a Toyota ECU that can't be reflashed like BMW ECU's or will it have a BMW ECU that Toyota tuned? In other words, will it be easy to get an ECU reflash for more power or will we be stuck going with standalones?

These are all things that I think about while not being able to afford one at all. I might be interested in picking one up several years from now after it's known how they handle and how reliable they are but in the meantime I'll stick to classic Toyotas that cost me a fortune.

[NgoFcukinWay]

Toyota also closed the block for strength.

From a cost standpoint, it was cheaper to raid the BMW bin and tweak it as they go. If they went from complete scratch for EVERYTHING, you're probably looking at a car with a $100K price tag. New NSX isn't doing all that great with that 6-figure tag and that was built basically from scratch. R35 GT-R is at the 6-figure mark now as well.

I'm gonna assume the ECU is gonna be BMW with some Toyota touches.

[njccmd2002]

meh....

Ill drive this in the mean time...

[bloodMoney]

Nice! RHD MKIII

I like it!

[njccmd2002]

it came with surprise gremlins, it was auctioned as inspected and ready. Im having to work on the car, sadly

[bloodMoney]

What kind of gremlins? Nothing too serious, I hope.

[cheela]

really makes me wonder about these "inspections" that all these JDM cars go through. Gonna be fun to see GT-Four owners and what gremlins they'll find.

[njccmd2002]

No headlights, no heater, no wiper, no spare tire, dirty air filter, and so on. Long story....

Fixed headlight issue. Next remove all Japanese crap unnecessary gadgets

[Bitter]

New Supra ain't even out yet and they already swapping the 2JZ into them.

[richee3]

Has anyone else been watching the news for these cars? Looks like Toyota understated them again. 0-60 in 3.8 seconds, 1/4 mile in 12.3 seconds, 1.07g on the skidpad, all on street tires. Still not buying one because broke, but it looks like it actually will be a truly good sports car unlike the RC-F or lame (although beautiful) LC500.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a27452748...o-test-numbers/

[Bitter]

And when adjusted for inflation, roughly $20,000 to 30,000 less than the Mk4 Supra cost too!

[richee3]

And when comparing current prices, it's the same or less.

[Box]

If only they had a manual as an option, outside of that I like it.

[narly_charley]

I appreciate the specs, but it's just a BMW... I've watched a bunch of the new YouTube videos on the car and I'm still not convinced that I like it. IF Toyota revamps the Celica, I really hope they don't partner with anyone (other than Yamaha).

[Box]

See but they already have platforms in house to make a new Celica though, just base it off the Corolla hatchback and job done.

[BonzaiCelica]

so the rebadged z4 has 335 hp and the actual z4 has 380 hp. muhahaha funny !

is this true??? https://www.tflcar.com/2019/05/holy-horsepo...toyota-claimed/

See but they already have platforms in house to make a new Celica though, just base it off the Corolla hatchback and job done.

just through the turbo 4 cylinder from the nx200t into the corolla and bam. you have a sport tuned corolla. no need to make a new platform.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 22, 2019 - 5:21 PM

[Box]

Yes, Toyota de-tuned the B58 to meet their standards of reliability and longevity.

They could do that too, but it'd be nice to see a new Celica and an alternative to the Civic Si.

[Bitter]

Speculation is that Toyota may have sent out a 'ringer' to C&D, also that particular type of Dyno tends to read a little higher. You'd need to dyno many Supra on many dyno types to get a consensus figure for power and torque.

[richee3]

Speculation is that Toyota may have sent out a 'ringer' to C&D

I wouldn’t be surprised, given all the negative views on the car. Car and Driver’s findings have certainly had a big impact in the perception of the car across several of the Facebook groups. That huge torque figure compared to power makes me think that little baby turbo is at the top of its efficiency range so there may not be much more power to be made by turning the boost up. Since it does have a BMW ECU, I’ll be curious to see what the aftermarket can do with a reflash but it doesn’t seem like there’s much room for more boost.

Hopefully Gazoo’s website isn’t lying to us about Toyota finally starting a heritage parts program. They specifically name the A70 and A80 as first up which is exciting for me for obvious reasons, but equally exciting is the following line that is largely being ignored- other models may follow. I suggest starting with the 6gc first! Although we all know they’ll probably do the 7gc, maybe 2nd and 3rd gen MR2, then realize they’re losing money and call it quits.

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Probably because Mazda started restoring NA Miatas and making parts for the NA and NB again, you can buy a new hardtop from Mazda now for instance.

I think it'd be great if most manufacturers started making new parts for older enthusiast cars, since they can't give us an exact replica it's the next best thing. Though Supra aside the contemporary cars are better in every way over their predecessors.

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Speculation is that Toyota may have sent out a 'ringer' to C&D

I wouldn’t be surprised, given all the negative views on the car. Car and Driver’s findings have certainly had a big impact in the perception of the car across several of the Facebook groups. That huge torque figure compared to power makes me think that little baby turbo is at the top of its efficiency range so there may not be much more power to be made by turning the boost up. Since it does have a BMW ECU, I’ll be curious to see what the aftermarket can do with a reflash but it doesn’t seem like there’s much room for more boost.

Hopefully Gazoo’s website isn’t lying to us about Toyota finally starting a heritage parts program. They specifically name the A70 and A80 as first up which is exciting for me for obvious reasons, but equally exciting is the following line that is largely being ignored- other models may follow. I suggest starting with the 6gc first! Although we all know they’ll probably do the 7gc, maybe 2nd and 3rd gen MR2, then realize they’re losing money and call it quits.

The 7th gen wasn't a seller and isn't a 'classic' like the Supra and MR2, it will get nothing, and a lot of the parts are still available to order for the car anyway so it's not really needed. Not sure what the huge deal for the Supra parts is...we were able to order dealer parts for the one at the shop, $70 for a new front fender was very reasonable and the other gasket sets weren't awful either. Maybe our dealer is just awesome?

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Probably because Mazda started restoring NA Miatas and making parts for the NA and NB again, you can buy a new hardtop from Mazda now for instance.

Don't you mean Nissan? They were the first to do this when they announced that they were going to start making GTR parts again.

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But who is going to pay dealer prices for some of the stuff, Sure the A80 is an average 30k car, so its valid.

the A70 is an average 4k if not less car. and to spend top dollar on a fender, when you can get it used for less. that is when toyota will realize they will be loosing money.

The celica 6th gen, who will pay 2k for a new s54 transmission, or 200 for a fender. I hear people argue about paying 400 for a used celica lol..

Same as all people, wanted manual transmissions, and no one buys the car. People want, people cry, oh no the car will be discontinued, they want more and more and more, and dont want to pay prices for it. Want it cheap.

I get why toyota went with BMW to get the supra at a cheap price, but they also made it cheap.. If you cannot beat what you did 1 generation ago, dont do it again. Call it something else. The Toyota 86 was a good car, because it had nothing to be compared to, it was the first generation.

Call this Hybrid a supra, and not make up for years of not having a supra, and come up with a souped up Z4, lol...... At least we know toyota made the badges.

I love my A70, even tough it came with problems, and i paid premium for it, but its the best bang for the buck. 1jz engine, and not the A80 prices, plus flip up headlights.

new supra is not a supra. its a Zupra

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Probably because Mazda started restoring NA Miatas and making parts for the NA and NB again, you can buy a new hardtop from Mazda now for instance.

Don't you mean Nissan? They were the first to do this when they announced that they were going to start making GTR parts again.

Oh I have no idea, I just knew about Mazda since it's relevant to those of us in the U.S. I think most manufacturers are making parts for older models to some extent, it's like you can still buy a new 4th gen F-body dash pad from GM. Though that's easy money for them since they keep breaking... Hey there's an idea, Nissan can reproduce S13 dashes and BMW can reproduce E30 dashes in "o.e. quality" and get in on the same cash flow as GM.