Getting a beams Options

[mi645]

Getting a beams who wants to help me instal it into my car? Any ideas anyone have experience!? I live in socal

[Smaay]

so is mine. I did have a hybrid 3MZ block on 1MZ heads but for some reason that engine spin 1 and 6 so i swapped in a full on 3MZ. i have my dyno plots on there too.

Ill have to disagree with you Presure2. there is plenty of room with the V6, it makes way more power than a BEAMS, a ton more Torque. And its really not that much fabrication. A custom Y pipe and passenger engine mount is all you really need.

Weight wise, i dont feel any handling difference and i even have the E153 transmission. I just wouldnt put my money into a BEAMS over here, you cant get parts easily, and the engines are old and heavy. Its a very simple VVT system, not like the ones today.

[presure2]

so is mine. I did have a hybrid 3MZ block on 1MZ heads but for some reason that engine spin 1 and 6 so i swapped in a full on 3MZ. i have my dyno plots on there too.

Ill have to disagree with you Presure2. there is plenty of room with the V6, it makes way more power than a BEAMS, a ton more Torque. And its really not that much fabrication. A custom Y pipe and passenger engine mount is all you really need.

Weight wise, i dont feel any handling difference and i even have the E153 transmission. I just wouldnt put my money into a BEAMS over here, you cant get parts easily, and the engines are old and heavy. Its a very simple VVT system, not like the ones today.

you know, i've never looked in the project forum..lmao....im so used to the old site, before that section, i never took any interest in it..lol guess i gotta get up to date! lol

way more power than a beams? how so? beams makes 210hp, around 170 or so whp...the 1m/3m both make just about the same, hp wise, just with more tq because of the extra displacement.
like i said, totally diffrent powerband.

i dont see the big advantage at all, unless we start talking about the REAL v6 swap that celica guys should be talking about, the 2gr.
the 1m and 3m are both old, heavy engines compared to the newer stuff like the 2gr, much like you said about the beams, lol.
imo i dont see the point in the beams, or the v6 swaps (other than the 2gr). not enough power once youve driven a 3rd gen 3s, or a turbo 5s like i built.
but, hey, diffrent strokes for diffrent folks! thats what this site is all about.
mi: the beams is a fun little motor, and a nice upgrade from the 5s.
wiring the beams is pretty easy from what ive seen, im sure some of the guys here would be willing to help ya out.
as far as weight, its really not at all that much lighter than the 5s, its got the same basic demensions, same style iron block, aluminum head, ect. so i dont see you really loosing any weight going the beams route.
the only place you really save weight is in the exhaust manifold/cat combo of the 5s VS the stock "header" on the beams.

[Smaay]

way more power than a beams? how so? beams makes 210hp, around 170 or so whp...the 1m/3m both make just about the same, hp wise, just with more tq because of the extra displacement.
like i said, totally diffrent powerband.

dude! i made 240 lbs of torque and 220 HP, to the wheels and thats using an E153 transmission.



this is with no VVT support either. If i had VVT control I'd probably gain another 20 lbs of torque. Also the VVT in the BEAMS is not a true VVT. its wither on or off. its not constantly adjusting like the newer engines are.

This post has been edited by Smaay: Mar 10, 2013 - 2:53 PM

[rave2n]

its not constantly adjusting like the newer engines are.

VVT on the ladies Yaris is annoying. Its like a mini-boost from take off, but no where else. Seems to only work 100% through the band if you hold the gas in the same position the whole acceleration which is not useful in passing. Could just be the baby motor =P

I love the V6 concept. That torque is a nice sell coming from a 7a, then going to a 5s. I had to learn to rev that bugger to get the power I wanted, no biggie , ease to learn. Though I miss the "instant" torque of the 7a or as described in a V6 swap.

but just about everything mentioned it this thread about custom, and near similar power doesn't sway me to the V6. Its mainly the custom work that bugs me, and as pressure mentioned the lack of future potential. Though I think a v6 has more power options then a beams, just matters which v6 =P

I hung on a beams swap for a long time, because I didn't want the maint of a 3s or turbo powered vehicle, but in the end, cost vs. power gains really forced to going with a 3s.

All those other quirks can be a learned driving change in my opinion for the high revs, so it really comes down to how much power, and what kind of driver you want to be. I want power, I'll learn to be another kind of driver once I get my power goals =)

This post has been edited by rave2n: Mar 10, 2013 - 4:46 PM