May 29, 2013 - 2:01 AM
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Hey all. Looking to reduce the periods of understeer that my car goes through when taking turns tightly, and sometimes not even that tightly at all. Mosty in wet weather, but where I live thats most the time anyway. I have a farely stock 95 gt, only mods in question currently are Megan springs and stag struts on it.
I did a tad bit of searching the forums and found some info, and I was hoping to get some clarification and maybe some advice. Will these modifications/addtions help me in this quest? lower front end Front strut tower bar F&R sway bar Is there anything else that can help? Will a strut tower bar/thicker sway bars really help? This post has been edited by snagmor: May 29, 2013 - 2:01 AM |
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May 29, 2013 - 5:09 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 25, '10 From New Zealand Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
At the moment my car has rear bar disconnected. Noticed slightly better turn in with no added body roll. Thicker front bar on your car will help with understeer.
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May 29, 2013 - 10:48 PM
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At the moment my car has rear bar disconnected. Noticed slightly better turn in with no added body roll. Thicker front bar on your car will help with understeer. What? Stiffening the front end increases understeer. Understeer is when you can see whats about to kill you. Oversteer is when you can't see it because you're going backwards. Stiffer rear end results in less understeer from my test results. I've played with bars, bushings, suspension settings, and tires. Even with grippy tires, the front tries to go straight under lots of pressure. How I remedied my issue was by putting the ST205 rear strut bar (top mount) in, energy suspension rear sway bar urethane bushings, MOOG sway bar links in the rear, and coilovers with a heavy spring rate and a mid setting (18 out of 32) for dampening. My rear also sits slightly higher than my front end. Car actually oversteers into corners at high speeds now with my winter tires on lol. No hand brake needed. -------------------- 1994 Toyota Celica GT-S 5S-FE 190k Miles. Project car 1992 Toyota Celica GT 5S-FE 170k Miles. Daily driver/beater 1999 Toyota Camry LE 5S-FE 216K Miles. RIP You will be missed. ![]() *ASE Certified General Manager |
May 31, 2013 - 4:36 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 25, '10 From New Zealand Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
At the moment my car has rear bar disconnected. Noticed slightly better turn in with no added body roll. Thicker front bar on your car will help with understeer. What? Stiffening the front end increases understeer. Understeer is when you can see whats about to kill you. Oversteer is when you can't see it because you're going backwards. Stiffer rear end results in less understeer from my test results. I've played with bars, bushings, suspension settings, and tires. Even with grippy tires, the front tries to go straight under lots of pressure. How I remedied my issue was by putting the ST205 rear strut bar (top mount) in, energy suspension rear sway bar urethane bushings, MOOG sway bar links in the rear, and coilovers with a heavy spring rate and a mid setting (18 out of 32) for dampening. My rear also sits slightly higher than my front end. Car actually oversteers into corners at high speeds now with my winter tires on lol. No hand brake needed. I have driven over the same hill, 5 to 6 min of driving, 6 days a week for 5 years. Hill has a lot of tight and off camber corners. So im pretty confident in how the car feels. So much so that I have the Moog endlinks and poly sway bar bushes going in next week and im not overly excited about it. I'll see. |
snagmor Reducing Understeer May 29, 2013 - 2:01 AM
Box Make it RWD. Poly engine mounts might help with ... May 29, 2013 - 4:17 AM
JoshuaM First of all... what tyres are you running? When I... May 29, 2013 - 5:53 AM
czwalga Just to be clear, do we know what understeer reall... May 29, 2013 - 6:32 AM
Special_Edy I always get oversteer in my 94 GT, its the rear t... May 29, 2013 - 7:54 AM
6gc_ct I know the celica chassis is a completly different... May 29, 2013 - 11:25 AM
mkernz22 I have a decent set of tires on mine, one of the o... May 29, 2013 - 11:43 AM
Box I find it best to not use any throttle while takin... May 29, 2013 - 12:15 PM
czwalga FWD, basically should be brake, gas and left foot ... May 29, 2013 - 12:33 PM
richee3 This thread reminds me how bad I want to take the ... May 29, 2013 - 12:46 PM
SwissFerdi Rear strut bar has the biggest effect, in my opini... May 29, 2013 - 12:47 PM
jordisonjr I believe stiffening the rear would help reduce un... May 29, 2013 - 1:13 PM
Box Snap over-steer is my favourite, then you just spi... May 30, 2013 - 1:45 AM
SwissFerdi . May 31, 2013 - 9:16 AM
nics QUOTE (Box @ May 29, 2013 - 11:45 PM... May 31, 2013 - 6:21 PM
delusionz front lsd.
mr2 turbo gearbox? whatever, you need ... May 31, 2013 - 10:24 AM
RabidTRD QUOTE (delusionz @ May 31, 2013 - 11... May 31, 2013 - 10:17 PM
SwissFerdi QUOTE (RabidTRD @ May 31, 2013 - 11... May 31, 2013 - 11:26 PM
Hirogodsend Higher tire pressure in the front tires makes a bi... May 31, 2013 - 4:58 PM
snagmor Wow so many replies, thanks for the input everyone... Jun 7, 2013 - 2:40 PM
Box You can install a rear strut bar if you cut up you... Jun 7, 2013 - 2:46 PM
snagmor QUOTE (Box @ Jun 7, 2013 - 3:46 PM) ... Jun 7, 2013 - 2:47 PM![]() ![]() |
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