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post May 20, 2013 - 12:10 PM
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Hi guys, don't post on here really as post on a UK celica forum.... but thought I would share what I have done to my SSI.

Following the various 5sfte posts and guidance, I have now turbo'd my 3sfe engine, some pics of the engine bay (its had a little more done since this one - including changing boost gauge t-off point to the map sensor line) and other bits at end of post.

Have installed;

3sge injectors
ct26 turbo
emanage blue (getting tuned in a couple of weeks)
ST185 manifold
ST185 map sensor
2.25" intercooler pipes and intercooler
Apexi BOV
ST185 pan
boost and oil gauges
2.5" custom ss exhaust

Been a fun and frustrating build, the turbo would not clear the coolant hard lines on the rev 3 3sfe, so I had to source a spacer for between the manifold and turbo. Changing the oil pan is fun too! Didn't need to relocate oil filter, so that was a bit easier. Coolant lines off the throttle body so again pretty easy.

Intercooler piping was interesting, right side through air pox route, left side was a bit of a squueze! But did not need ot remove a/c or anything else.

Not driven it on boost yet, but has been driven for several hours off boost, and doesn't miss a beat. Injector size has gone from 215cc (rev 3 3sfe stock I believe) to 295 (3sge stock), running on stock fuel pump, so some scope to improve there.

First map though is just a safe one to ensure no det, etc. Plans next will be;

wideband sensor and gauge (hooked into emanate)
prob bigger injectors and fuel pump
sort out second output for boost gauge from throttle bottle to leave map sensor feed unmolested
Wilwood 4 pot brakes

looking forward to running boost!






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post Dec 9, 2013 - 7:47 PM
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5S-FE was built for torque, not horsepower. The 3S-FE most likely has the same power due to it being able to rev a little higher with no issues. Perhaps the cams are different in both the 5S and 3S, or there's a difference in the intake manifold, or some minor detail.

As you see, it does have similar power, but don't just look at the power, look at the RPM it makes that power. The 5SFE makes its peak at 5400RPM while the 3SFE makes it at 6000RPM which means it likes revving higher than the 5S, which is better for turbocharged applications, in terms of power.

However the 5S-FE will spool the same turbo faster and make more torque.

I've always wanted to compare the 5S head to a 3S head, as well as the 3S block from an FE engine to a GE engine.... I'm willing to bet you can slap a GE head easier on your block than we 5S-FE guys can on ours. I almost bought a 3S-FE back when I bought my new 5S-FE. In retrospect I probably should've.


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Posts in this topic
- digs   3SFTE project   May 20, 2013 - 12:10 PM
- - Smaay   i ran my 5S-FTE setup without the water lines. you...   May 20, 2013 - 12:24 PM
|- - digs   QUOTE (Smaay @ May 20, 2013 - 1:24 P...   May 20, 2013 - 12:29 PM
- - digs   How safe then is it to drive on boost as set up? N...   May 20, 2013 - 12:39 PM
- - Smaay   i would also suggest you change that water hose ri...   May 20, 2013 - 12:50 PM
|- - digs   QUOTE (Smaay @ May 20, 2013 - 1:50 P...   May 20, 2013 - 12:54 PM
- - Syaoran   My recommendation would be to get at least 440cc i...   May 20, 2013 - 1:31 PM
- - digs   I do think I will need bigger injectors, so useful...   May 20, 2013 - 1:51 PM
|- - Syaoran   QUOTE (digs @ May 20, 2013 - 2:51 PM...   May 20, 2013 - 4:28 PM
- - Smaay   all 2ZZ injectors are High Impedance. but they are...   May 20, 2013 - 5:44 PM
|- - Syaoran   QUOTE (Smaay @ May 20, 2013 - 6:44 P...   May 20, 2013 - 7:52 PM
||- - Smaay   QUOTE (Syaoran @ May 20, 2013 - 5:52...   May 21, 2013 - 8:23 AM
||- - 95CelicaST   QUOTE (Smaay @ May 21, 2013 - 6:23 A...   May 21, 2013 - 9:40 AM
||- - Syaoran   QUOTE (Smaay @ May 21, 2013 - 9:23 A...   May 21, 2013 - 11:37 AM
|- - digs   QUOTE (Smaay @ May 20, 2013 - 6:44 P...   May 21, 2013 - 10:44 AM
- - Syaoran   Exige S: The RX-7 high impedance 550cc injectors...   May 20, 2013 - 7:59 PM
- - digs   Thanks guys , really appreciate your input   May 21, 2013 - 1:06 AM
- - digs   Just an update, i have changed my PCV system with ...   Jun 20, 2013 - 7:43 AM
|- - Syaoran   QUOTE (digs @ Jun 20, 2013 - 8:43 AM...   Jun 20, 2013 - 1:50 PM
- - Smaay   there is a check valve in the brake booster. dont ...   Jun 20, 2013 - 9:03 AM
|- - digs   QUOTE (Smaay @ Jun 20, 2013 - 10:03 ...   Jun 20, 2013 - 10:52 AM
- - digs   Good to hear, makes that a bit easier Thanks, lo...   Jun 20, 2013 - 3:49 PM
|- - digs   460cc injectors have arrived - had a thought thoug...   Jul 9, 2013 - 4:23 AM
|- - Syaoran   QUOTE (digs @ Jul 9, 2013 - 5:23 AM)...   Jul 9, 2013 - 1:13 PM
|- - digs   QUOTE (Syaoran @ Jul 9, 2013 - 2:13 ...   Jul 9, 2013 - 1:23 PM
- - Syaoran   I recommend not using it and waiting to get someth...   Jul 10, 2013 - 8:06 PM
- - digs   Thought I would swing by and update, engine still ...   Dec 3, 2013 - 8:30 AM
- - H8TRAIN   Very interesting, digs. I'm glad you posted th...   Dec 5, 2013 - 10:06 PM
- - digs   QUOTE (H8TRAIN @ Dec 5, 2013 - 10:06...   Dec 9, 2013 - 3:57 PM
- - Syaoran   5S-FE was built for torque, not horsepower. The 3S...   Dec 9, 2013 - 7:47 PM
|- - H8TRAIN   QUOTE (Syaoran @ Dec 9, 2013 - 7:47 ...   Dec 10, 2013 - 12:01 AM
|- - Syaoran   QUOTE (H8TRAIN @ Dec 10, 2013 - 1:01...   Dec 10, 2013 - 2:18 PM
- - delusionz   ^--- Yup.   Dec 10, 2013 - 2:12 PM
- - delusionz   i dont think a 3sg head on a 3sf block would make ...   Dec 12, 2013 - 1:23 AM
- - digs   QUOTE (Syaoran @ Dec 9, 2013 - 7:47 ...   Dec 12, 2013 - 6:49 AM
- - Syaoran   It all depends on the turbo you're using. 3S-...   Dec 12, 2013 - 11:03 PM
|- - H8TRAIN   QUOTE (Syaoran @ Dec 13, 2013 - 12:0...   Dec 14, 2013 - 12:53 PM
- - digs   Thanks for the info... Tuning: Once the full thr...   Dec 16, 2013 - 6:32 AM
- - digs   an update...just grabbed a ST205 shell with engine...   Feb 21, 2014 - 3:55 PM


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