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post Oct 24, 2010 - 7:57 PM
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So, after quite a few PM's on how to do this I finally broke down and took some pics. You will notice however that I did not put everything back to "factory settings", ie, I just took a few pictures and hope that they'll help the ones who want to know how to do this.
First off though, a warning:
****THE COOLANT WILL BE HOT AFTER RUNNING THE ENGINE, THEREFORE TO AVOID BURNS I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT YOU LET THE ENGINE/COOLANT SYSTEM COOL DOWN BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO DO THIS, I AM IN NO WAY RESPONSIBLE FOR PERSONAL HARM THAT MAY BE CAUSED WHILE ATTEMPTING THIS, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED****

STEPS:
1:) You want to start by disconnecting your SRI/CAI/Stock Intake at the throttle body:

2:) Disconnect the 4 Vac lines (three on top, one that sits lower):

3:) Disconnect the Throttle Cables (one for Man, two for Auto):

4:) Remove TB by pulling the 4 12 mm bolts:

5:) Remove TB from Intake Plenum:

6:) You will notice three lines hooked into the TB, two outside line (coolant) and one middle line (vac). You want to "bypass" the TB by linking the two coolant lines together, using a 5/16th brass bard (male to male) fitting and screw clamps to tighten it down. Please do not use existing hardware as its probably been sitting there for a while and chances are it wont stand up. Please use new hardware (screw clamps).




7: After you insert brass barb (male to male fitting) and tighten down the screw clamps, you might want to install some vac caps on the coolant ports. Although I cant say if its required, for me its just piece of mind):

8: Reattach the Vac line (its the middle port)!

8.5: Totally optional, but at this time I did a minor cleaning of the TB, and the butterfly valve. Not required, but while its open, might as well, right?
9: Check your work. This is what you should have, two coolant lines "looped" together, two coolant ports capped (optional), and the Vac line (the middle port) reattached. Make sure that your screw clamps are tight (either use a socket or the right size four point to make sure its super tight...don't want leaks), and again, check another time. Once you are sure everything is done, place your throttle body back on the intake plenum, place the SRI/CAI/Stock Intake back on, and enjoy!

While I can not say this is how it is for different engines, the concept is the same. So, for all those people PM'ing me, this is how you do it (again ,mind you its not a pure step by step, but you'll get the idea), and for those who want to know how to TB Bypass on the 5SFE, here you go!
I hope this can help answer this question to some extent. If anyone sees anything wrong with this (ie mislabeling please let me know so I can correct).
Thanks and hope you enjoy!

 
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post Oct 30, 2010 - 9:16 AM
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i have to agree with spider77 since we live in Texas and it doesn't get to cold during our winters, so there is no point to have our intakes heated up and like what he said if it does get cold enough to need it is just a matter of hooking it back up. But for our hot as hell Texas summers we don't need our intakes warmed up.


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post Sep 9, 2014 - 11:26 AM
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QUOTE (Akirad1 @ Oct 30, 2010 - 10:16 AM) *
i have to agree with spider77 since we live in Texas and it doesn't get to cold during our winters, so there is no point to have our intakes heated up and like what he said if it does get cold enough to need it is just a matter of hooking it back up. But for our hot as hell Texas summers we don't need our intakes warmed up.



Stumbled upon a relevant patent, priority date July 12, 2000, that showed three coolant 'bypass' passages, relatively independent water channels that lead from the back of an engine to the front (water pump), inside of (bypassing) the coolant pathways to and from the radiator. It showed no thermostat, as it uses a computer controlled FLOW CONTROL VALVE to switch from full flow through the TB when the engine is cold, to no flow through the TB when the engine is hot (the situation that spider77 creates. . . permanently).

One of the passages was just a pipe from the back to the front (called RESTRICTION in the patent).

One passage went from the back of the engine through the heater and then back to the pipe leading to the front.

The third passage went through the Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) valve , then through the throttle body (TB), then to the FLOW CONTROL VALVE, and then back to the pipe leading to the front.

You can imagine them as three parallel 'bypass' coolant passages, at least at the point where hot water comes out of the operating engine. They don't all carry coolant all the time (e.g., the heater only carries coolant when you turn your heater on). But they can (e.g., the passage through the EGR valve and TB), unless the computer instructs it to slow or close.

A fourth passage in the patent was the main one, the passage that goes out to your radiator and then back into the engine.

The patent showed the EGR/TB passage and the Radiator passage coming together at a FLOW CONTROL VALVE, so the computer would have the ability to control how much coolant moved through the TB. Evidently, this newer design would allow the computer to completely cut off the flow through the TB once the engine reaches its normal operating temperature.

The main claim of this patent was that by control of the flow through the TB they were able to cut the warm-up time of the engine from something like 250 seconds to something like 187 seconds.

Not being privy to the design decisions that Toyota used to set up any of its engines, I took this to be the reason that they piped coolant through the throttle body. It's a way to significantly decrease the time it takes to get the engine from ambient temp up to normal operating temperature. Every time you start your engine, you have to go through this 'warm up' period, even if you live in the hottest part of Texas. The operating temp of an internal combustion engine certainly must be much hotter than that.

I believe the overall engine design depends on operating temperature to a great extent, so getting to that point quicker, in an ordinary car, has benefits that none of us has the background to truly appreciate.

Now, on our older vehicles, on the other side of the issue we have 'shorted out' one water cooled/heated element (TB), intending on preventing a hot TB from heating up the intake air, which only matters when the engine has reached its normal operating temperature, which we have time delayed. Someone above suggested that the airflow through the throttle body was so rapid that a hot TB would not make much of a contribution toward heating the intake air. I'm not sure that's the total answer, but can offer a bit more information.

The Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) system is part of your engine's emissions control. It's main function is to reduce or eliminate the generation of NOX (exhaust gasses containing oxides of nitrogen), since NOX causes smog and acid rain. NOX is created when the fuel burn occurs in a cylinder that is above a certain temperature, a temperature that would normally be reached under normal conditions, so, under certain engine operating conditions (load, temp, etc) the computer intentionally reduces the combustion temperature by adding a small amount of exhaust gas (NOTE: inert gas) which has the overall effect of lowering combustion temperature (which lowers your useful hp, and mileage, of course mad.gif ).

There is a pipe that routes exhaust gas directly from the exhaust manifold back to the EGR valve, which controls the amount that is added back to the intake air. I'm guessing that HOT exhaust air moving into the intake air flow must have a much larger effect than what heat could be transferred by the hot coolant continuously running through the TB. But, then again, the EGR doesn't turn on all the time. It's off at idle. It comes on only when the engine temp reaches a certain value, and even then when there is significant load on the engine. So, it's hard to know for certain what is best for your engine.

The only reason I know this stuff is because I just finished troubleshooting and fixing a CHECK ENGINE LIGHT (MIL) that came on due to a 'excess EGR flow' code P0204 (?) on my 2000 Tacoma. Found a bad Vacuum Switching Valve (VSV). While at it, I took apart everything up to the intake plenum to clean out all the carbon, varnish and whatnot out of my TB. When I went to put it all back together I ran across those stupid water hoses and had a devil of a time figuring out how to connect it all back up properly. That made me search and read a whole lot about the subject at hand, and during that exercise I ran into videos on YouTube that showed exactly what Spider77 shows you how to do at the top of this thread (and Spider77 did it so well he should be much appreciated).

Yet, I wondered deeply why someone would do that, and concluded that it would definitely be a help if one had a race car engine that doesn't have emissions controls on it. Because then every minute contribution of heat going into the engine air intake would need to be eliminated. Other than that, I really don't see the true benefit (it's got to be a trade-off), and I worry that there is a detriment to the long term operation of your engine due to extended lengths of warm up times.

Posts in this topic
- Spider77   Throttle Body Coolant Bypass (with pics)   Oct 24, 2010 - 7:57 PM
- - Robbie1902   Very nice write up!   Oct 24, 2010 - 8:27 PM
- - mkernz22   vote for sticky!   Oct 24, 2010 - 8:41 PM
- - 4-eyed-freek   sticky!   Oct 24, 2010 - 8:56 PM
- - hatchy_gt-s   Not to sound like a dick but those are there for a...   Oct 24, 2010 - 10:28 PM
- - 4-eyed-freek   i just dont understand why toyota would run coolan...   Oct 24, 2010 - 11:06 PM
- - Spider77   Well, the one reason why I had it set up like this...   Oct 25, 2010 - 5:22 AM
- - sphinxxx   sorry for the newb question, but what is this for ...   Oct 26, 2010 - 1:25 PM
|- - 4-eyed-freek   coolant runs through your throttle body making it ...   Oct 26, 2010 - 9:36 PM
|- - Langing   QUOTE (4-eyed-freek @ Oct 26, 2010 ...   Oct 1, 2014 - 8:03 AM
- - fgvillegas   i was thinking if the effects of doing this will b...   Oct 27, 2010 - 12:28 AM
- - Akirad1   i have to agree with spider77 since we live in Tex...   Oct 30, 2010 - 9:16 AM
|- - Langing   QUOTE (Akirad1 @ Oct 30, 2010 - 10:1...   Sep 9, 2014 - 11:26 AM
- - Tom_SS2   it's not meant to heat the intake as such it...   Oct 30, 2010 - 9:22 AM
- - doory100   Main question is there any gain in doing this?   Sep 9, 2014 - 4:20 PM
|- - Langing   QUOTE (doory100 @ Sep 9, 2014 - 5:20...   Sep 9, 2014 - 8:36 PM
- - Bitter   Nothing that can be measured reliably.   Sep 9, 2014 - 7:39 PM
- - Bitter   It's there to prevent icing of the throttle pl...   Sep 9, 2014 - 9:53 PM
- - VavAlephVav   I examined the Idle Speed Control Valve when I had...   Sep 9, 2014 - 9:59 PM
- - VavAlephVav   QUOTE (Spider77 @ Oct 24, 2010 - 8:5...   Sep 9, 2014 - 10:09 PM
- - Bitter   It may just be a coil spring to make sure the IAC ...   Sep 9, 2014 - 10:50 PM
|- - Langing   QUOTE (Bitter @ Sep 9, 2014 - 11:50 ...   Sep 12, 2014 - 12:08 PM
- - VavAlephVav   it is definitely set up in a slot-n-groove sort of...   Sep 9, 2014 - 11:21 PM
- - VavAlephVav   yeah, the center tube on the bottom of the throttl...   Sep 12, 2014 - 4:11 PM
- - Smaay   guys the reason there is coolant going through the...   Sep 12, 2014 - 6:57 PM
|- - Langing   QUOTE (Smaay @ Sep 12, 2014 - 7:57 P...   Sep 12, 2014 - 11:04 PM
- - Bitter   Smaay is correct, but what is the purpose of the s...   Sep 12, 2014 - 9:53 PM
- - Syaoran   The spring is actually a bimetal spring and the te...   Sep 12, 2014 - 10:40 PM
- - Bitter   Ford IAC's are easy to work with also, but the...   Sep 12, 2014 - 10:54 PM
- - Bitter   Pressure drop causes the air to condense and cool ...   Sep 13, 2014 - 12:20 AM
|- - Langing   QUOTE (Bitter @ Sep 13, 2014 - 1:20 ...   Sep 13, 2014 - 7:06 AM
- - Bitter   Low temperature but high humidity. Say when it...   Sep 13, 2014 - 10:33 AM
|- - Langing   QUOTE (Bitter @ Sep 13, 2014 - 11:33...   Sep 13, 2014 - 9:42 PM
- - Smaay   toyota makes cars that are sold all over the world...   Sep 13, 2014 - 1:07 PM
- - Bitter   My opinion is that the possible gain is so tiny an...   Sep 13, 2014 - 2:01 PM
- - Spider77   My idle is fine. And my car hasnt exploded.   Sep 13, 2014 - 6:13 PM
- - Bitter   Yes, and you live in a generally very warm and dry...   Sep 13, 2014 - 7:20 PM
- - Spider77   Actually last winter we got a good deal of ice and...   Sep 13, 2014 - 8:21 PM
- - Bitter   The odds of it happening are fairly slim since hea...   Sep 13, 2014 - 8:49 PM
- - Syaoran   I'm about to reconnect mine onto my TB. I...   Sep 14, 2014 - 5:16 PM
- - Bitter   I'll bet it makes no discernible difference.   Sep 14, 2014 - 7:57 PM
- - VavAlephVav   this is what I was unsure of at first, but now I...   Sep 14, 2014 - 11:11 PM


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