2ZZGE on a 6GC? Options

[CelicaDICE]

So, has anyone ever thought about a 2ZZGE Swap? I thought about this for two years now(but will not do it because of how strong my 5SFE is, but might attempt to do so when my car turns 20) and was wondering how difficult can it be? And I'm talking about an AT 2ZZGE too.

[Bitter]

What's kind of messed up is that a 7G 2ZZ auto is as slow as a 6G 5S manual. No joke, they're nearly a dead heat on the road rolling race. The 7G will pull away in lift a little but the 6G will creep slowly very slowly and the 7G will pull away in lift again but once you're in 3rd the gearing and wind resistance would probably put the 6G ahead but you're talking about speeds around 90mph by then.

And LOL the 6G and 7G weigh nearly the same as someone else mentioned.
2ZZ isn't weak, but it is higher strung meaning there's already some good power coming out of it so cranking more out stresses the engine more, however with just bolt ons and tuning they're belting out 200whp (40whp gains) reliably. This notion of weakness came from people shattering oil pumps missing shifts at full throttle and 8,500 RPM shooting the engine to well past 10,000 RPM and well past what any engine on the street can tolerate, exotics of course the exception. It's weakest link are the high compression (11.5:1) pistons which are built for NA use and do so well but fail under the stresses of moderate boost. Can't really fault that since in a high revving engine you need to have relatively light pistons. The engine weighs very little so the power to weight is fairly good, much better than the S series. That being said the Beams has a better torque curve due to the added displacement, but it also is a heavier engine than the 2ZZ. The 2ZZ is listed as a 253lb dry engine by Toyota, the 3S-GTE is listed as 421lbs but I don't know if that's dry or wet weight.


Anyway, the 2ZZ is backward from the 7A and 5S, the mounts aren't even close to the same locations. Go with what's know to fit easily and has a fat wide torque curve starting off down low, go with the 1MZ swap! All the torque from when yous stomp the gas pedal, weighs as much as a S series engine, and will play nicely with an automatic transmission. Pretty just transplant the Camry harness, engine, transmission, and ECM into the car right from a junk yard donor.

This post has been edited by Bitter: Feb 20, 2015 - 12:23 AM