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post Nov 25, 2015 - 2:44 AM
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I have been having nothing but trouble with my AEM FIC on my 5sfte set up. I have a 97 Celica GT Convertible with a newly rebuilt engine and a 16G CT-26 turbo set up. The ECU is not working well with the signals the piggyback is feeding the stock ECU. Based on a couple of posts I have seen on 6gc.net, I broke down and bought a diypnp 76 pin standalone. The diypnp has all the features I am looking for and the price doesn't break the bank. I just finished soldering the main board and am about to start doing the harness jumpers. Can anyone provide and example for wiring the diypnp?
 
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post Aug 16, 2016 - 3:17 PM
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I updated your tune file with some new settings and emailed it back to you. I have a few comments.

1. What injectors are you using? Are they 460cc rx7 red injectors? If so, I believe those are commonly used in Miats and the correct dead time (lag time) might be around 1.2. You might want to google search to see if you can find an exact value.

2. Injector battery voltage correction:
After you input the correct dead time and tune the fuel map in the idle cells to 14.7, disconnect the oval plug from your alternator while the car is running. Then watch the ego correction gauge and adjust that battery correction factor so that your idle is still 14.7 with zero ego correction at about 11-12v. The value I used for my car works well for me, but it might be different on your car due to having different injectors.

3. In the overrun fuel cut I originally had some settings that would cause the car to stall when driving with AC on. I adjusted the settings to the new values in your tune.

4. in the Ignition Options menu there is a setting for Hardware Spark Latency. You need to tune this specifically to your car. Set the ignition timing to FIXED timing @ 15 degress. Use a timing light to set your base timing. Then while still in that mode, rev the engine up and hold the rpm while watching the timing light. If your timing drifts down from 15 degress, adjust the hardware spark latency until it is steady through the rev range. On my car I found a value of about 190 worked well, however your car might not need this setting and having 190 in that field could potentially cause your engine to run too much timing advance.

5. I loaded up the 3sgte base Ignition map into your tune and took out a few degrees due to it being a high compression motor. The map should work okay on the 5sfe, but you should really have this tuned on a load bearing dyno (not a basic Dynojet). I have never seen a 5sfe timing map so its all just guess work.

6. I use a J&S Safeguard for knock detection because the built in knock control is not that great on the diypnp. However someone on mr2oc posted about the settings that he used when setting his up.

7. As you know, you really need to tune the VE table using the autotune feature in Tunerstudio. The values that you have in there right now are far from correct and will cause all kinds of stalling issues as the engine lacks fuel in certain cells where it comes back down to idle.

This post has been edited by lagos: Aug 17, 2016 - 12:10 AM


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post Aug 19, 2016 - 10:42 AM
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QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 16, 2016 - 3:17 PM) *
I updated your tune file with some new settings and emailed it back to you. I have a few comments.

1. What injectors are you using? Are they 460cc rx7 red injectors? If so, I believe those are commonly used in Miats and the correct dead time (lag time) might be around 1.2. You might want to google search to see if you can find an exact value.

2. Injector battery voltage correction:
After you input the correct dead time and tune the fuel map in the idle cells to 14.7, disconnect the oval plug from your alternator while the car is running. Then watch the ego correction gauge and adjust that battery correction factor so that your idle is still 14.7 with zero ego correction at about 11-12v. The value I used for my car works well for me, but it might be different on your car due to having different injectors.

3. In the overrun fuel cut I originally had some settings that would cause the car to stall when driving with AC on. I adjusted the settings to the new values in your tune.

4. in the Ignition Options menu there is a setting for Hardware Spark Latency. You need to tune this specifically to your car. Set the ignition timing to FIXED timing @ 15 degress. Use a timing light to set your base timing. Then while still in that mode, rev the engine up and hold the rpm while watching the timing light. If your timing drifts down from 15 degress, adjust the hardware spark latency until it is steady through the rev range. On my car I found a value of about 190 worked well, however your car might not need this setting and having 190 in that field could potentially cause your engine to run too much timing advance.

5. I loaded up the 3sgte base Ignition map into your tune and took out a few degrees due to it being a high compression motor. The map should work okay on the 5sfe, but you should really have this tuned on a load bearing dyno (not a basic Dynojet). I have never seen a 5sfe timing map so its all just guess work.

6. I use a J&S Safeguard for knock detection because the built in knock control is not that great on the diypnp. However someone on mr2oc posted about the settings that he used when setting his up.

7. As you know, you really need to tune the VE table using the autotune feature in Tunerstudio. The values that you have in there right now are far from correct and will cause all kinds of stalling issues as the engine lacks fuel in certain cells where it comes back down to idle.


Thanks for all the help! I went and found the injector dead time for the 460cc RX7 injectors that I am using and got the following values:

1.185 @ 14.4V or 1.2 @13.4V

I enriched a couple of cells around the idle and plan to do the autotune and adjust any timing drift this weekend. As for setting up the stock knock sensor, DIYAUTOTUNE provided me with the following information:

There's not much adjustment here - you'll just want to adjust the sensitivity trim pot to the point where it JUST won't pick up knock on a safe tune.

For settings in TunerStudio, see this link.

http://www.msextra.com/doc/pdf/html/Megasq...ce-3.4-110.html

Posts in this topic
- HardHead93   Building a diypnp   Nov 25, 2015 - 2:44 AM
- - Tigawoods   Lagos is your main man for that. PM him   Nov 27, 2015 - 1:24 PM
- - HardHead93   To start the diypnp project, I cracked open the fa...   Nov 27, 2015 - 8:22 PM
- - HardHead93   QUOTE (HardHead93 @ Nov 25, 2015 - 2...   Nov 28, 2015 - 9:40 PM
- - Smaay   you most certainly need PIM. that is the MAP sens...   Nov 29, 2015 - 8:45 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (Smaay @ Nov 29, 2015 - 8:45 P...   Nov 29, 2015 - 10:17 PM
- - delusionz   W is CEL which is a switched ground to the negati...   Nov 30, 2015 - 9:35 AM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (delusionz @ Nov 30, 2015 - 9...   Nov 30, 2015 - 3:09 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (HardHead93 @ Nov 30, 2015 - 4...   Dec 1, 2015 - 1:34 PM
- - delusionz   ELS just leave it where it is, megasquirt should i...   Nov 30, 2015 - 9:41 AM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (delusionz @ Nov 30, 2015 - 9...   Nov 30, 2015 - 3:20 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE It really sucks that so much of the factory ...   Dec 1, 2015 - 11:08 AM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (lagos @ Dec 1, 2015 - 11:08 A...   Dec 2, 2015 - 12:38 AM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (lagos @ Dec 1, 2015 - 12:08 P...   Dec 4, 2015 - 7:41 PM
- - HardHead93   I still can't seem to figure it out. The car ...   Dec 7, 2015 - 1:22 AM
- - lagos   Sorry for the lack of help, been really busy. I ...   Dec 8, 2015 - 12:20 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE Spark Mode: Toothed Wheel Trigger Angle: 4.0...   Dec 8, 2015 - 12:25 PM
|- - mkernz22   QUOTE (lagos @ Dec 8, 2015 - 12:25 P...   Dec 9, 2015 - 5:38 PM
- - lagos   Any progress on this project?   Jan 29, 2016 - 12:49 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (lagos @ Jan 29, 2016 - 12:49 ...   Feb 7, 2016 - 6:48 PM
- - lagos   Also, I just found a very cool time lapse video of...   Jan 29, 2016 - 1:18 PM
- - HardHead93   Got the DIYPNP running exactly like I want it to b...   Aug 6, 2016 - 11:26 AM
- - lagos   Glad you were able to get the unit working! H...   Aug 9, 2016 - 1:21 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 9, 2016 - 1:21 PM...   Aug 9, 2016 - 11:06 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 9, 2016 - 1:21 PM...   Aug 30, 2016 - 12:19 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE With the A/C on: AC1: 0.29V ACT: 5.55V ATS: ...   Aug 9, 2016 - 1:44 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE Yes, when the AC is on the moment I push the...   Aug 10, 2016 - 1:08 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 10, 2016 - 1:08 P...   Aug 10, 2016 - 2:18 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 10, 2016 - 2:08 P...   Aug 29, 2016 - 10:14 AM
- - lagos   Send me your MSQ file. lagos3sgte@gmail.com AC id...   Aug 10, 2016 - 4:55 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 10, 2016 - 4:55 P...   Aug 11, 2016 - 9:03 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE (HardHead93 @ Aug 11, 2016 - 10...   Aug 11, 2016 - 11:35 PM
|- - HardHead93   I sent you my tune file over the weekend. Have yo...   Aug 15, 2016 - 10:46 PM
- - lagos   I updated your tune file with some new settings an...   Aug 16, 2016 - 3:17 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 16, 2016 - 3:17 P...   Aug 19, 2016 - 10:42 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE 1.185 @ 14.4V or 1.2 @13.4V Awesome! S...   Aug 19, 2016 - 11:40 AM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 19, 2016 - 11:40 ...   Aug 19, 2016 - 9:46 PM
- - lagos   Keep the same afr target table. The car should idl...   Aug 21, 2016 - 4:23 PM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 21, 2016 - 5:23 P...   Aug 21, 2016 - 6:55 PM
- - lagos   Awesome ! Keep in mind that you're going...   Aug 23, 2016 - 10:12 AM
- - lagos   Yup, the wire goes directly to that relay box to s...   Aug 29, 2016 - 11:04 PM
- - lagos   Here is the basic idea: 1. Don't connect any ...   Aug 31, 2016 - 10:51 AM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 31, 2016 - 11:51 ...   Aug 31, 2016 - 10:00 PM
|- - HardHead93   I did some researching and figured out how to get ...   Sep 2, 2016 - 5:03 PM
- - lagos   Just to clear up the original question, yes that i...   Sep 3, 2016 - 9:05 AM
|- - HardHead93   QUOTE (lagos @ Sep 3, 2016 - 9:05 AM...   Sep 5, 2016 - 11:16 PM
- - lagos   I'm not 100% sure if they could be used for PW...   Sep 5, 2016 - 11:41 PM
- - HardHead93   This thread is going to change gears and deal with...   Jul 27, 2017 - 11:43 AM
- - HardHead93   After messing with the DIYPNP for the 4th gen 3sgt...   Sep 3, 2017 - 3:12 PM


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